From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Jun 27 01:29:04 2000
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:50:18 2005
Subject: [Netrek Clients] Testing
Message-ID: <20000627012904.L22840@real-time.com>

Testing.

-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (612)943-8500
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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jun 21 23:20:23 2000
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:10 2005
Subject: [Vanilla-devel] Testing
Message-ID: <20000621232023.L1917@real-time.com>

This is a test.

-- 
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From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Jun 27 01:00:45 2000
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:10 2005
Subject: [Vanilla Devel] Testing
Message-ID: <20000627010045.B22840@real-time.com>

Testing new mailing list.

-- 
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From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Jun 27 01:46:01 2000
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:10 2005
Subject: [Vanilla Devel] Last test.
Message-ID: <20000627014601.T22840@real-time.com>

Most of the core name servers here in the US have the new MX, so I am just
testing the MX.

Sorry.

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From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org  Tue Jun 27 00:56:34 2000
From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:10 2005
Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: web
Message-ID: <200006270556.e5R5uYp04248@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com>

Date:	Tuesday June 27, 2000 @ 0:56
Author:	cameron

Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/web
In directory swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv4245

Modified Files:
	index.html 
Log Message:
list updates

****************************************

Index: web/index.html
diff -u web/index.html:1.18 web/index.html:1.19
--- web/index.html:1.18	Wed Mar  8 20:47:07 2000
+++ web/index.html	Tue Jun 27 00:56:34 2000
@@ -160,7 +160,7 @@
 </pre><p>
 More information on CVS, along with source kits, may be found at
 <a href=http://www.cyclic.com/>Cyclic</a>.  Updates to the CVS repository
-are mailed to vanilla-devel list, an
+are mailed to <a href=https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-devel>vanilla-devel list</a>, an
 <a href=http://archives.real-time.com/vanilla-devel>archive</a> of which is
 available for browsing.<p>
 
@@ -168,13 +168,10 @@
 <h4>Development Community</h4>
 
 The community of developers who work on the server source code use a
-mailing list to coordinate the work.  To join this mailing list, send
-a message to
+mailing list to coordinate the work.  To join this mailing list, go
+to the <a href=https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list>list page</a>.
 
-<a href=mailto:vanilla-list-subscribe@us.netrek.org>vanilla-list-subscribe@us.netrek.org</a>,
-
-no subject or body required.  The discussions are also
-<a href=http://archives.real-time.com/vanilla-list>archived</a>.<p>
+The discussions are also <a href=http://archives.real-time.com/vanilla-list>archived</a>.<p>
 
 Some developers also occupy the #netrek channel on the IRC openprojects 
 network, server irc.linux.org.au or irc.openprojects.net, which is a 

From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org  Tue Jun 27 16:13:07 2000
From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:10 2005
Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla
Message-ID: <200006272113.e5RLD7p05172@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com>

Date:	Tuesday June 27, 2000 @ 16:13
Author:	cameron

Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla
In directory swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv5169

Modified Files:
	CHANGES 
Log Message:
point CHANGES to ChangeLog

****************************************

Index: Vanilla/CHANGES
diff -u Vanilla/CHANGES:1.4 Vanilla/CHANGES:1.5
--- Vanilla/CHANGES:1.4	Mon Nov 16 04:24:24 1998
+++ Vanilla/CHANGES	Tue Jun 27 16:13:06 2000
@@ -617,3 +617,6 @@
 	16th November 1998
 	cameron@stl.dec.com
 	Edit voting status messages to indicate who we are waiting on.
+
+        NOTE: FURTHER CHANGES ARE TRACKED IN THE FILE ChangeLog
+

From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org  Tue Jun 27 17:09:29 2000
From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:10 2005
Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla
Message-ID: <200006272209.e5RM9Te05208@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com>

Date:	Tuesday June 27, 2000 @ 17:09
Author:	cameron

Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla
In directory swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv5205

Modified Files:
	PROJECTS 
Log Message:
red hat packaging edits for 2.9pl6

****************************************

Index: Vanilla/PROJECTS
diff -u Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.79 Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.80
--- Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.79	Fri Jun 23 04:12:55 2000
+++ Vanilla/PROJECTS	Tue Jun 27 17:09:28 2000
@@ -1,9 +1,12 @@
 PROJECTS ... list of things to do or fix, and hints for developers.
 
-#	$Id: PROJECTS,v 1.79 2000/06/23 09:12:55 cameron Exp $	
+#	$Id: PROJECTS,v 1.80 2000/06/27 22:09:28 cameron Exp $	
 
 Small things
 
+	- practice robots fail to shoot torpedoes if created while server 
+          is in topgun mode.
+
 	- make clean in ntserv doesn't.
 
 	- configure's "checking for BSD style signals" doesn't finish
@@ -265,7 +268,7 @@
 	md5sum Vanilla-$VS.tar.gz > Vanilla-$VS.tar.gz.md5sum
 
 	# test build kit
-	cd Vanilla-$VScd
+	cd Vanilla-$VS
 
 	mkdir /tmp/$VS
 	./configure --prefix=/tmp/$VS
@@ -283,8 +286,10 @@
 	rm -rf Vanilla-$VS
 
 	# rpm packaging
-	# rpm/src2rpm or equivalent
-	rpm -bb netrek.spec
+	cd Vanilla
+	rpm/tar2rpm
+	cp res-rsa-*.tar.gz /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES
+	rpm -ba netrek.spec
 	# test package install
 
 	# send .tar.gz and .rpm to ftp sites
@@ -308,7 +313,7 @@
 	mailto:vanilla-announce@us.netrek.org
 	news:rec.games.netrek
 
-	# update version number, patchlevel.h, version.h, rpm/netrek.spec, here
+	# update version number, patchlevel.h, version.h, rpm/netrek.spec, rpm/tar2rpm here
 	
 
 INL robot problems reported by d4sand,

From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org  Tue Jun 27 17:09:29 2000
From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:10 2005
Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla/rpm
Message-ID: <200006272209.e5RM9Tb05213@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com>

Date:	Tuesday June 27, 2000 @ 17:09
Author:	cameron

Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla/rpm
In directory swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv5205/rpm

Modified Files:
	cvs2rpm netrek.spec 
Log Message:
red hat packaging edits for 2.9pl6

****************************************

Index: Vanilla/rpm/cvs2rpm
diff -u Vanilla/rpm/cvs2rpm:1.10 Vanilla/rpm/cvs2rpm:1.11
--- Vanilla/rpm/cvs2rpm:1.10	Mon Jul 26 01:32:18 1999
+++ Vanilla/rpm/cvs2rpm	Tue Jun 27 17:09:29 2000
@@ -1,20 +1,20 @@
 #!/bin/bash
 #
 # Getting files into the RPM hierarchy getting you down? This script will
-# help make like easier. 
+# help make like easier. But use tar2rpm if all you have is the tar.gz,
+# otherwise you'll have to wait for this script to fetch from CVS.
 #
 # Make sure you check and set your VS and VL variable to get this to work.
 #
-# $Id: cvs2rpm,v 1.10 1999/07/26 06:32:18 tanner Exp $
+# $Id: cvs2rpm,v 1.11 2000/06/27 22:09:29 cameron Exp $
 #
 
 # Change these if necessary!
-VS=2.9pl3
-VL=v_2_9_3
+VS=2.9pl6
+VL=v_2_9_6
 
 RPM_SOURCE_DIR=/usr/src/redhat/SOURCES
 RPM_SPEC_DIR=/usr/src/redhat/SPECS
-
 
 IFS=:
 
Index: Vanilla/rpm/netrek.spec
diff -u Vanilla/rpm/netrek.spec:1.5 Vanilla/rpm/netrek.spec:1.6
--- Vanilla/rpm/netrek.spec:1.5	Mon Feb 28 00:32:03 2000
+++ Vanilla/rpm/netrek.spec	Tue Jun 27 17:09:29 2000
@@ -88,9 +88,9 @@
 #
 # Look for the US RSA stuff.
 #
-if [ -f $RPM_SOURCE_DIR/res-rsa-2.9.1.tar.gz ]; then
-  RSA_FILE=$RPM_SOURCE_DIR/res-rsa-2.9.1.tar.gz
-  RSA_RELEASE=2.9.1
+if [ -f $RPM_SOURCE_DIR/res-rsa-2.9.2.tar.gz ]; then
+  RSA_FILE=$RPM_SOURCE_DIR/res-rsa-2.9.2.tar.gz
+  RSA_RELEASE=2.9.2
 
 #
 # Look for the Euro RSA stuff.

From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org  Tue Jun 27 18:04:48 2000
From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:10 2005
Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla
Message-ID: <200006272304.e5RN4mT05309@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com>

Date:	Tuesday June 27, 2000 @ 18:04
Author:	ahn

Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla
In directory swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv5306

Modified Files:
	ChangeLog INSTALL.RSA 
Log Message:
Updated Continuous Scoring support and some docs.


****************************************

Index: Vanilla/ChangeLog
diff -u Vanilla/ChangeLog:1.84 Vanilla/ChangeLog:1.85
--- Vanilla/ChangeLog:1.84	Fri Jun 23 06:18:24 2000
+++ Vanilla/ChangeLog	Tue Jun 27 18:04:48 2000
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+Tue Jun 27 19:39:01 EDT 2000  Dave Ahn <ahn@users.sourceforge.net>
+	
+	* robots/inl*.c: Changed continuous scoring differential to 1.5.
+	
+	* *README*: Updated some docs.
+	
 Fri Jun 23 22:14:47 2000  James Cameron <quozl@us.netrek.org>
 
 	* ntserv/ntscmds.c (do_admin): addition of administration commands
@@ -985,4 +991,4 @@
  	update_sys_defaults in updateMessages to a more appropriate
  	location - updateClient in socket.c.
 	
-	$Id: ChangeLog,v 1.84 2000/06/23 11:18:24 cameron Exp $
+	$Id: ChangeLog,v 1.85 2000/06/27 23:04:48 ahn Exp $
Index: Vanilla/INSTALL.RSA
diff -u Vanilla/INSTALL.RSA:1.2 Vanilla/INSTALL.RSA:1.3
--- Vanilla/INSTALL.RSA:1.2	Wed Mar 17 19:04:15 1999
+++ Vanilla/INSTALL.RSA	Tue Jun 27 18:04:48 2000
@@ -1,19 +1,21 @@
-What you need to do in addition to INSTALL to get RSA working.
-17-Mar-1999
+What you need to do in addition to INSTALL to get RSA working.  Thanks to
+recent changes in US export regulations, this process is now a lot easier.
+If you have previous versions of US/Euro RES-RSA, please upgrade now.
 
+June 27, 2000
+
 Summary
 -------
 
-	0)  install gmp from http://www.gnu.org/ [optional for U.S RES-RSA]
+	0)  install gmp from http://www.gnu.org/ [optional]
 	1)  fetch the res-rsa package,
-	2)  decrypt the package,
-	3)  untar in res-rsa directory within Vanilla,
-	4)  follow INSTALL.
+	2)  untar in res-rsa directory within Vanilla,
+	3)  follow INSTALL.
 
 Details
 -------
 
-[If you are using U.S. RES-RSA 2.9 or higher, the MP/GMP stuff is optional.]
+[The MP/GMP stuff is optional.]
 
 Obtain gmp and install it on your system.  You will probably need the
 libmpbsd.a library, which is not built by default.  To build it in gmp,
@@ -21,22 +23,25 @@
 
 Red Hat Linux RPMs of gmp that contain this library are available from
 ftp://ftp.real-time.com/pub/real-time/RPMS/i386/gmp-2.0.2-6.i386.rpm
-ftp://ftp.real-time.com/pub/real-time/RPMS/i386/gmp-devel-2.0.2-6.i386.r
-pm
+ftp://ftp.real-time.com/pub/real-time/RPMS/i386/gmp-devel-2.0.2-6.i386.rpm
+
+Download the latest RES-RSA module from either:
+	http://sourceforge.net/project/filelist.php?group_id=968
+	ftp://ftp.netrek.org/pub/netrek/rsa/
 
-Fetch the res-rsa package.  There are legal precautions you may need to take,
-because the source code is classified by the US Government as a munition, and
-exporting it without license is illegal.  There are alternate copies in Europe,
-and a rumour of a PGP based module.
-
-Decrypt the package.  The key is available from the Vanilla development team,
-provided you convince them that you are a US citizen.
-
-Untar the package into the res-rsa directory within the Vanilla tree.  Since
-you are reading this file, you have likely already got the Vanilla tree
-unpacked.
+The latest version should be 2.9.2 or higher.
 
+Non-US users may download RES-RSA.  All users must read README* and LICENSE*
+files bundled with RES-RSA before proceeding.
+
 Now execute configure as per INSTALL.
+
+Untar RES-RSA into the res-rsa/ directory within Vanilla.  Be sure to copy
+or move the files appropriately.  The procedure should be something like:
+	% cd Vanilla/
+	% mv res-rsa res-rsa.old
+	% gzip -cd res-rsa-2.9.2.tar.gz | tar xvf -
+	% mv res-rsa-2.9.2 res-rsa
 
 After building and installing, make sure you run updated at least once, to
 get the keys from the metaserver, then set CONFIRM=1 in .sysdef and

From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org  Tue Jun 27 18:04:49 2000
From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:10 2005
Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla/robots
Message-ID: <200006272304.e5RN4nx05320@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com>

Date:	Tuesday June 27, 2000 @ 18:04
Author:	ahn

Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla/robots
In directory swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv5306/robots

Modified Files:
	inl.c inlcomm.c 
Log Message:
Updated Continuous Scoring support and some docs.


****************************************

Index: Vanilla/robots/inl.c
diff -u Vanilla/robots/inl.c:1.31 Vanilla/robots/inl.c:1.32
--- Vanilla/robots/inl.c:1.31	Wed Jun  7 15:41:17 2000
+++ Vanilla/robots/inl.c	Tue Jun 27 18:04:48 2000
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
-/* 	$Id: inl.c,v 1.31 2000/06/07 20:41:17 ahn Exp $	 */
+/* 	$Id: inl.c,v 1.32 2000/06/27 23:04:48 ahn Exp $	 */
 
 #ifndef lint
-static char vcid[] = "$Id: inl.c,v 1.31 2000/06/07 20:41:17 ahn Exp $";
+static char vcid[] = "$Id: inl.c,v 1.32 2000/06/27 23:04:48 ahn Exp $";
 #endif /* lint */
 
 /*
@@ -736,8 +736,8 @@
 /* Determine if there is a winner at the end of regulation.
    returns 0 if game is tied
    returns 1 if there is a winner by planet count
-   returns 2 if there is a winner by continuous score > 0.5
-   returns 3 if there is a winner by continuous score < 0.5 & planet 11-8-1
+   returns 2 if there is a winner by continuous score > 1.50
+   returns 3 if there is a winner by continuous score < 1.50 & planet 11-8-1
    -da
  */
 int check_winner() {
@@ -771,11 +771,11 @@
   if (delta < 0.0)
     delta *= -1.0;
 
-  /* if continuous score delta is >= 0.5, we have winner */
-  if (delta >= 0.5)
+  /* if continuous score delta is >= 1.50, we have winner */
+  if (delta >= 1.50)
     return 2;
 
-  /* if continuous score detla is < 0.5, but a team has > 11-8-1,
+  /* if continuous score delta is < 1.50, but a team has > 11-8-1,
      we have a winner */
   else if ((inl_teams[HOME].planets > inl_teams[AWAY].planets + 2) ||
            (inl_teams[AWAY].planets > inl_teams[HOME].planets + 2))
@@ -805,10 +805,10 @@
           pmessage(0, MALL, inl_from, "Winning condition: planet count");
           break;
         case 2:
-          pmessage(0, MALL, inl_from, "Winning condition: continuous score >= 0.5");
+          pmessage(0, MALL, inl_from, "Winning condition: continuous score >= 1.5");
           break;
         case 3:
-          pmessage(0, MALL, inl_from, "Winning condition: score < 0.5, planet count");
+          pmessage(0, MALL, inl_from, "Winning condition: score < 1.5, planet count");
           break;
         default:
           pmessage(0, MALL, inl_from, "Winning condition: UNKNOWN");
Index: Vanilla/robots/inlcomm.c
diff -u Vanilla/robots/inlcomm.c:1.16 Vanilla/robots/inlcomm.c:1.17
--- Vanilla/robots/inlcomm.c:1.16	Wed Jun  7 15:41:17 2000
+++ Vanilla/robots/inlcomm.c	Tue Jun 27 18:04:48 2000
@@ -1087,11 +1087,11 @@
         break;
       case 2:
         pmessage(who, flag, addr_mess(who, flag),
-          "%s is winning by score >= 0.5", side);
+          "%s is winning by score >= 1.5", side);
         break;
       case 3:
         pmessage(who, flag, addr_mess(who, flag),
-          "%s is winning by score < 0.5 but planet > 11-8-1 ", side);
+          "%s is winning by score < 1.5 but planet > 11-8-1 ", side);
         break;
     }
   }

From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org  Tue Jun 27 18:04:48 2000
From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:11 2005
Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla/docs
Message-ID: <200006272304.e5RN4mQ05315@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com>

Date:	Tuesday June 27, 2000 @ 18:04
Author:	ahn

Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla/docs
In directory swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv5306/docs

Modified Files:
	README.scores 
Log Message:
Updated Continuous Scoring support and some docs.


****************************************

Index: Vanilla/docs/README.scores
diff -u Vanilla/docs/README.scores:1.1 Vanilla/docs/README.scores:1.2
--- Vanilla/docs/README.scores:1.1	Wed Jun  7 13:01:30 2000
+++ Vanilla/docs/README.scores	Tue Jun 27 18:04:48 2000
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-$Id: README.scores,v 1.1 2000/06/07 18:01:30 ahn Exp $
+$Id: README.scores,v 1.2 2000/06/27 23:04:48 ahn Exp $
 
 Continuous Scoring System 
 Dave Ahn <ahn@netrek.org>
@@ -63,7 +63,7 @@
 game.  A player can also get the current score by sending the word
 "SCORE" to himself.  The announcement looks something like:
 
-	INL->ALL  Score: FED vs ROM 8.60 - 10.28 (weighted)
+	INL->ALL  Score: FED vs ROM  8.60 - 10.28 (weighted)
 	INL->ALL  Score: FED vs ROM  8.71 - 10.30 (continuous)
 	INL->ALL  Score: FED vs ROM  8.50 - 10.50 (semi-continuous)
 	INL->ALL  ROM is winning.
@@ -94,9 +94,9 @@
 
 CONTINUOUS scoring mode:
 	At the end of regulation, either team with a continuous score
-	lead of 0.50 or more WINS the game regardless of planet count.
+	lead of 1.50 or more WINS the game regardless of planet count.
 
-	Otherwise, if continuous scores are within 0.5 of each other,
+	Otherwise, if continuous scores are within 1.5 of each other,
 	then the planet count is considered.  If the planet count is
 	11-8-1 or greater, then the team with the higher planet count
 	WINS.
@@ -115,7 +115,7 @@
 weighting system should help with this, but it will need adjustment.
 
 The other is interpreting the scores for decision-making.  Given a
-score of 10.00 and 9.51, what does the winning team have to do to
+score of 11.00 and 9.51, what does the winning team have to do to
 ensure a win with 5 minutes left in regulation?  Because the scores
 are weighted and summed over time, the answer is not clear.  I am
 thinking about adding a planet-minute count to the announcements.  For
@@ -125,7 +125,7 @@
 own 2.50 planets worth for 0.5 minutes to meet the winning condition.
 This code has not yet been added, so suggestions are welcome.
 
-Continuous scoring requires Vanilla Server 2.9pl7 or higher.
+Continuous scoring requires Vanilla Server 2.9pl6 or higher.
 
 That's it.
 Dave

From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org  Tue Jun 27 18:06:46 2000
From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:11 2005
Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla
Message-ID: <200006272306.e5RN6kT05329@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com>

Date:	Tuesday June 27, 2000 @ 18:06
Author:	ahn

Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla
In directory swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv5326

Modified Files:
	INSTALL.RSA 
Log Message:
Fix small error.


****************************************

Index: Vanilla/INSTALL.RSA
diff -u Vanilla/INSTALL.RSA:1.3 Vanilla/INSTALL.RSA:1.4
--- Vanilla/INSTALL.RSA:1.3	Tue Jun 27 18:04:48 2000
+++ Vanilla/INSTALL.RSA	Tue Jun 27 18:06:46 2000
@@ -34,14 +34,14 @@
 Non-US users may download RES-RSA.  All users must read README* and LICENSE*
 files bundled with RES-RSA before proceeding.
 
-Now execute configure as per INSTALL.
-
 Untar RES-RSA into the res-rsa/ directory within Vanilla.  Be sure to copy
 or move the files appropriately.  The procedure should be something like:
 	% cd Vanilla/
 	% mv res-rsa res-rsa.old
 	% gzip -cd res-rsa-2.9.2.tar.gz | tar xvf -
 	% mv res-rsa-2.9.2 res-rsa
+
+Now execute configure as per INSTALL.
 
 After building and installing, make sure you run updated at least once, to
 get the keys from the metaserver, then set CONFIRM=1 in .sysdef and

From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org  Tue Jun 27 20:36:37 2000
From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:11 2005
Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: web
Message-ID: <200006280136.e5S1ab805582@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com>

Date:	Tuesday June 27, 2000 @ 20:36
Author:	cameron

Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/web
In directory swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv5579

Modified Files:
	index.html 
Log Message:
2.9pl6 release

****************************************

Index: web/index.html
diff -u web/index.html:1.19 web/index.html:1.20
--- web/index.html:1.19	Tue Jun 27 00:56:34 2000
+++ web/index.html	Tue Jun 27 20:36:37 2000
@@ -42,8 +42,8 @@
 
 <h4>Latest Release</h4>
 
-Version 2.9pl5 of the Netrek Vanilla Server was released on 15th
-February 2000 and may be downloaded from:<p>
+Version 2.9pl6 of the Netrek Vanilla Server was released on 28th
+June 2000 and may be downloaded from:<p>
 
 <ul>
 
@@ -51,11 +51,11 @@
 
 <ul>
 
-<li><a href=ftp://ftp.netrek.org/pub/netrek/servers/vanilla/Vanilla-2.9pl5.tar.gz>Vanilla-2.9pl5.tar.gz</a>
+<li><a href=ftp://ftp.netrek.org/pub/netrek/servers/vanilla/Vanilla-2.9pl6.tar.gz>Vanilla-2.9pl6.tar.gz</a>
 
-<li><a href=ftp://ftp.netrek.org/pub/netrek/servers/vanilla/netrek-server-2.9pl5-1.i386.rpm>netrek-server-2.9pl5-1.i386.rpm</a>
+<li><a href=ftp://ftp.netrek.org/pub/netrek/servers/vanilla/netrek-server-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm>netrek-server-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm</a>
 
-<li><a href=ftp://ftp.netrek.org/pub/netrek/servers/vanilla/netrek-config-2.9pl5-1.i386.rpm>netrek-config-2.9pl5-1.i386.rpm</a>
+<li><a href=ftp://ftp.netrek.org/pub/netrek/servers/vanilla/netrek-config-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm>netrek-config-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm</a>
 </ul>
 
 </ul>
@@ -66,11 +66,11 @@
 <li><a href=ftp://ftp.real-time.com/pub/games/netrek/>ftp://ftp.real-time.com/pub/games/netrek/</a>
 
 <ul>
-<li><a href=ftp://ftp.real-time.com/pub/games/netrek/Vanilla-2.9pl5.tar.gz>Vanilla-2.9pl5.tar.gz</a>
+<li><a href=ftp://ftp.real-time.com/pub/games/netrek/Vanilla-2.9pl6.tar.gz>Vanilla-2.9pl6.tar.gz</a>
 
-<li><a href=ftp://ftp.real-time.com/pub/games/netrek/netrek-server-2.9pl5-1.i386.rpm>netrek-server-2.9pl5-1.i386.rpm</a>
+<li><a href=ftp://ftp.real-time.com/pub/games/netrek/netrek-server-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm>netrek-server-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm</a>
 
-<li><a href=ftp://ftp.real-time.com/pub/games/netrek/netrek-config-2.9pl5-1.i386.rpm>netrek-config-2.9pl5-1.i386.rpm</a>
+<li><a href=ftp://ftp.real-time.com/pub/games/netrek/netrek-config-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm>netrek-config-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm</a>
 
 <p>
 
@@ -83,9 +83,10 @@
 <table width=80%>
 <tr>
 <td>
-<pre>ce1104f50b0fd2b0179b62f2d9b047d1  Vanilla-2.9pl5.tar.gz 
-942edaf0b193ecfd070ffb3a0aebb9d4  netrek-config-2.9pl5-1.i386.rpm
-04d3c45336bea10070579faad6209f36  netrek-server-2.9pl5-1.i386.rpm</pre>
+<pre>c2cf950f9a026532fd5286e5c3606698  netrek-2.9pl6-1.src.rpm
+2066f1cd95e207271005152cbaca18d7  netrek-config-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm
+c1cbea91d83132efce818f07fe428e7b  netrek-server-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm
+163fb60445e7bfed3edd8a295d9369b3  Vanilla-2.9pl6.tar.gz</pre>
 </td>
 </tr>
 </table>
@@ -97,51 +98,57 @@
 instructions for INL server installation can be found in the file
 INSTALL.INL.<p>
 
-Changes for 2.9pl4 and 2.9pl5 were:<p>
+Changes for 2.9pl6 were:<p>
 
 <ul>
 <li>Game Design
 
   <ul>
-  <li>Allow 32 player slots.
-  <li>Adjust transwarp abort conditions so that they work.
-  <li>Fix starbase to starbase docking; attempting to do so caused
-  loss of control by the bases involved.
-  <li>Change INL team advice message to be two lines instead of one.
-  <li>Add option to not credit chung 
-  (plasma self or team member against wall) army kills.
+  <li>prevented beaming down out of T-mode,
+  <li>allowed eject only if a queue exists,
+  <li>increased observer slots,
+  <li>added WHOIS command to identify players off player list,
+  <li>added PASSWORD command for changing character password,
+  <li>fix to save armies when freeing an INL starbase,
+  <li>added continuous scoring support,
+  <li>added zone tracking to LTD statistics,
   </ul>
 
-<li>Observers
+<li>Administration
 
   <ul>
-  <li>Force observers to teams involved in t-mode.
-  <li>Exclude observers from count of players on each team.
-  <li>Avoid dropping observer armies on home planet.
-  <li>Allow independant observers to lock on to any player or planet.
+  <li>added ADMIN command for god queue observer,
+  <li>improved god log format and responses to player,
   </ul>
 
-<li>Packaging
+<li>Configuration
 
   <ul>
-  <li>Red Hat Linux V6.1 RPMS built.
-  <li>Fix broken statistics line on sample ports file.
-  <li>netrekd replaces newstartd and includes more intelligence.
+  <li>added newbie server full of robots mode,
+  <li>changed default shared memory key for INL server,
+  <li>fixed cambot dropfile directory name,
   </ul>
 
-<li>Protocol
+<li>Installation
 
   <ul>
-  <li>Accept CLOAK_MAXWARP feature.
-  <li>Enable portswap mode.
-  <li>Metaserver solicitation fix for blank and invalid text fields.
+  <li>included virtual servers support,
+  <li>removed more compilation warnings,
+  <li>added documentation for FreeBSD known problems,
+  <li>verified against Debian GNU/Linux on Alpha,
+  <li>added conversion from old database format to LTD statistics,
+  <li>updated and checked installation instructions,
   </ul>
 
-<li>Remove one total server crash triggered by beaming down.
+<li>Packaging
 
-<li>Add colour output to message monitoring program.
+  <ul>
+  <li>Red Hat Linux V6.2 binary and source RPMs built.
+  </ul>
 
 </ul>
+
+
 <p>
 
 <hr width=30%>
@@ -149,7 +156,7 @@
 
 The Netrek Vanilla Server source code is managed using CVS.  To obtain
 an up-to-the-minute snapshot of the code, point your CVS client at the
-repository and check it out.<p>
+repository and do a checkout.<p>
 
 <pre>
 % cvs -d :pserver:netrek@cvs.us.netrek.org:/home/netrek/cvsroot \
@@ -158,39 +165,35 @@
 % cvs -d :pserver:netrek@cvs.us.netrek.org:/home/netrek/cvsroot \
 checkout Vanilla
 </pre><p>
-More information on CVS, along with source kits, may be found at
-<a href=http://www.cyclic.com/>Cyclic</a>.  Updates to the CVS repository
-are mailed to <a href=https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-devel>vanilla-devel list</a>, an
-<a href=http://archives.real-time.com/vanilla-devel>archive</a> of which is
-available for browsing.<p>
 
+More information on CVS, along with source kits, may be found at <a
+href=http://www.cyclic.com/>Cyclic</a>.  Updates to the CVS repository
+are mailed to <a
+href=https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-devel>vanilla-devel
+list</a>.<p>
+
 <hr width=30%>
 <h4>Development Community</h4>
 
 The community of developers who work on the server source code use a
-mailing list to coordinate the work.  To join this mailing list, go
-to the <a href=https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list>list page</a>.
-
-The discussions are also <a href=http://archives.real-time.com/vanilla-list>archived</a>.<p>
-
-Some developers also occupy the #netrek channel on the IRC openprojects 
-network, server irc.linux.org.au or irc.openprojects.net, which is a 
-DNS alias.  All servers listed in the alias are normally
-interconnected.  Quozl and Unbelver are the usual
-occupants and can assist with development or installation issues.<p>
+mailing list to coordinate the work.  To join this mailing list, go to
+the <a
+href=https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list>list
+page</a>.
+
+Some developers also occupy the #netrek channel on the IRC
+openprojects network, server irc.linux.org.au or irc.openprojects.net,
+which is a DNS alias.  All servers listed in the alias are normally
+interconnected.  Quozl and Unbelver are the usual occupants and can
+assist with development or installation issues.<p>
 
 <hr width=30%>
 <h4>Futures</h4>
 
 Some plans for the future, depending on availability of resources, are:
 <ul>
-
-<li>improved ejection logic, to promote proper use and to assist in training
-those who are ejected,
-
-<li>test the LTD stats package,
 
-<li>embed server within client for offline practice,
+<li>embed server within client for offline practice.
 
 </ul><p>
 
@@ -198,7 +201,7 @@
 PROJECTS file within the source repository.<p>
 
 <hr>
-<a href="mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org">quozl@us.netrek.org</a>.
+<a href="mailto:quozl@netrek.org">quozl@netrek.org</a>.
 </td>
 </tr>
 </table>

From ronbarry at es.com  Wed Jun 28 12:09:20 2000
From: ronbarry at es.com (ronbarry@es.com)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:11 2005
Subject: [Vanilla Devel] FW: mine->ph_damage & 768???
Message-ID: <C2AF2791F262D311BBD00008C7E67FB7E4907A@torino.corp.es.com>

There is an swarning constructed in phaser.c that does this:

(mine->ph_damage & 768)>>2 

among other things.  The only thing that could cause that to
be non-zero is an ATT.  Since I don't have the client code
here, I have to ask what is going on with these two bits that
don't seem capable of being set.

	thanks, all...

	rOn
--
rOn barry
evans and sutherland
"If you're not part of the solution, you're 
 part of the precipitate."


From quozl at us.netrek.org  Wed Jun 28 18:25:12 2000
From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:11 2005
Subject: [Vanilla Devel] FW: mine->ph_damage & 768???
In-Reply-To: <C2AF2791F262D311BBD00008C7E67FB7E4907A@torino.corp.es.com>; from ronbarry@es.com on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 11:09:20AM -0600
References: <C2AF2791F262D311BBD00008C7E67FB7E4907A@torino.corp.es.com>
Message-ID: <20000629092512.J14758@us.netrek.org>

On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 11:09:20AM -0600, ronbarry@es.com wrote:
> There is an swarning constructed in phaser.c that does this:
> (mine->ph_damage & 768)>>2 

It is shifting bits around.  Include the full context ... line 252
of ntserv/phaser.c

if (send_short && (target_player->p_no < 64) && (mine->ph_damage < 1024)) {
  swarning(PHASER_HIT_TEXT,
           (target_player->p_no & 0x3f) | ((mine->ph_damage & 768) >> 2),
           (unsigned char) mine->ph_damage & 0xff);
  return;
}
new_warning(UNDEF, "Phaser burst hit %s for %d points",
            target_player->p_name, mine->ph_damage);
return;

Seems quite reasonable.  The event is being coded into short packet
format, two eight bit fields for the data.  The first field has the
player number in the low six bits.  The damage is coded into the
eight bits of the second field with two extra bits placed in the
spare bits of the first field.

> The only thing that could cause that to be non-zero is an ATT.  

So you are saying that the short packets format supports ATT class.
That's good, isn't it?  It also provides for expansion in case of very
strong phasers.

The same person (Heiko) did the client and the server at the same time,
so you should look at a short packet modified client.

-- 
James Cameron    mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org     http://quozl.netrek.org/

From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org  Wed Jun 28 18:19:49 2000
From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:11 2005
Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla/ntserv
Message-ID: <200006282319.e5SNJnU06284@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com>

Date:	Wednesday June 28, 2000 @ 18:19
Author:	cameron

Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla/ntserv
In directory swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv6281

Modified Files:
	salt.h 
Log Message:
undo breakage

****************************************

Index: Vanilla/ntserv/salt.h
diff -u Vanilla/ntserv/salt.h:1.2 Vanilla/ntserv/salt.h:1.3
--- Vanilla/ntserv/salt.h:1.2	Fri Jun 23 04:12:58 2000
+++ Vanilla/ntserv/salt.h	Wed Jun 28 18:19:49 2000
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 #ifndef SALT_H
 #define SALT_H
 
-typedef char *saltbuf;
+typedef char saltbuf[3];
 
 char* salt(const char*, saltbuf);
 

From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org  Wed Jun 28 19:11:35 2000
From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:11 2005
Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: web
Message-ID: <200006290011.e5T0BZ206319@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com>

Date:	Wednesday June 28, 2000 @ 19:11
Author:	cameron

Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/web
In directory swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv6316

Modified Files:
	index.html 
Log Message:
2.9pl6 re-release

****************************************

Index: web/index.html
diff -u web/index.html:1.20 web/index.html:1.21
--- web/index.html:1.20	Tue Jun 27 20:36:37 2000
+++ web/index.html	Wed Jun 28 19:11:34 2000
@@ -79,14 +79,18 @@
 
 <h5>Checksums</h5>
 
+Note: 2.9pl6 was released twice due to a minor but fatal defect.
+If you pulled a copy within two days of release, check carefully
+against these md5sum checksums.<p>
+
 <center>
 <table width=80%>
 <tr>
 <td>
-<pre>c2cf950f9a026532fd5286e5c3606698  netrek-2.9pl6-1.src.rpm
-2066f1cd95e207271005152cbaca18d7  netrek-config-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm
-c1cbea91d83132efce818f07fe428e7b  netrek-server-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm
-163fb60445e7bfed3edd8a295d9369b3  Vanilla-2.9pl6.tar.gz</pre>
+<pre>10d14e9b332c0d77be1530ba292ab21b  Vanilla-2.9pl6.tar.gz
+775412a38ec5f1b1d53702740cec45a4  netrek-2.9pl6-1.src.rpm
+8934f7ced8775f57b059179065ba0c0a  netrek-config-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm
+c5028755d59cc3e5d838981711ea932e  netrek-server-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm</pre>
 </td>
 </tr>
 </table>

From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org  Wed Jun 28 19:48:50 2000
From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:11 2005
Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: web
Message-ID: <200006290048.e5T0moJ06337@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com>

Date:	Wednesday June 28, 2000 @ 19:48
Author:	cameron

Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/web
In directory swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv6334

Modified Files:
	index.html 
Log Message:
add src.rpm

****************************************

Index: web/index.html
diff -u web/index.html:1.21 web/index.html:1.22
--- web/index.html:1.21	Wed Jun 28 19:11:34 2000
+++ web/index.html	Wed Jun 28 19:48:50 2000
@@ -53,6 +53,8 @@
 
 <li><a href=ftp://ftp.netrek.org/pub/netrek/servers/vanilla/Vanilla-2.9pl6.tar.gz>Vanilla-2.9pl6.tar.gz</a>
 
+<li><a href=ftp://ftp.netrek.org/pub/netrek/servers/vanilla/netrek-2.9pl6-1.src.rpm>netrek-2.9pl6-1.src.rpm</a>
+
 <li><a href=ftp://ftp.netrek.org/pub/netrek/servers/vanilla/netrek-server-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm>netrek-server-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm</a>
 
 <li><a href=ftp://ftp.netrek.org/pub/netrek/servers/vanilla/netrek-config-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm>netrek-config-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm</a>
@@ -67,6 +69,8 @@
 
 <ul>
 <li><a href=ftp://ftp.real-time.com/pub/games/netrek/Vanilla-2.9pl6.tar.gz>Vanilla-2.9pl6.tar.gz</a>
+
+<li><a href=ftp://ftp.real-time.com/pub/games/netrek/netrek-2.9pl6-1.src.rpm>netrek-2.9pl6-1.src.rpm</a>
 
 <li><a href=ftp://ftp.real-time.com/pub/games/netrek/netrek-server-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm>netrek-server-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm</a>
 

From tanner at real-time.com  Sun Jun 25 17:20:18 2000
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla-list] Testing
Message-ID: <20000625172018.D4135@real-time.com>

-- 
Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (612)943-8700
http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (612)943-8500
Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 


From tanner at real-time.com  Sun Jun 25 17:21:48 2000
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla-list] testing
Message-ID: <20000625172148.E4135@real-time.com>

Testing #3.

-- 
Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (612)943-8700
http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (612)943-8500
Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 


From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Jun 27 01:15:15 2000
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] Testing
Message-ID: <20000627011515.F22840@real-time.com>

Testing new mailing list.

-- 
Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (612)943-8700
http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (612)943-8500
Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 


From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Jun 27 01:21:12 2000
From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] Testing
In-Reply-To: <20000627011515.F22840@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96L.1000627022106.6224d-100000@unix12.andrew.cmu.edu>

TESTING 1,2,3.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Bob Tanner wrote:

> Testing new mailing list.
> 
> -- 
> Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (612)943-8700
> http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (612)943-8500
> Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Vanilla-list mailing list
> Vanilla-list@lists.real-time.com
> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list
> 

________________________________________________________
uram@cmu.edu
"Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29


From ronbarry at es.com  Tue Jun 27 11:48:16 2000
From: ronbarry at es.com (ronbarry@es.com)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] RE: [VANILLA-LIST:3228] ping
Message-ID: <C2AF2791F262D311BBD00008C7E67FB7E49074@torino.corp.es.com>

> On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 05:27:03PM -0600, ronbarry@es.com wrote:
> > There are a couple cvs commands listed on the website on how to get
> > the source.  Maybe I'm looking at the wrong file, but it looks like
> > the last entry is '98.
> 
http://vanilla.netrek.org/ shows me ...

"Version 2.9pl5 of the Netrek Vanilla Server was released on 
15th February 2000"

So what web site are you talking about?

====================================

% cvs -d :pserver:netrek@cvs.us.netrek.org:/home/netrek/cvsroot \
login
Password: netrek
% cvs -d :pserver:netrek@cvs.us.netrek.org:/home/netrek/cvsroot \
checkout Vanilla

From ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu  Tue Jun 27 12:20:57 2000
From: ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [VANILLA-LIST:3228] ping
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.96L.1000626191531.21805U-100000@unix7.andrew.cmu.edu>; from zu22@andrew.cmu.edu on Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 07:16:02PM -0400
References: <20000626134403.A30068@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <Pine.SOL.3.96L.1000626191531.21805U-100000@unix7.andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <20000627132057.A33221@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>

On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 07:16:02PM -0400, Zachary Uram wrote:
> I think it would facilitate devlopment if one of you clued in CVS
> could write a quick "Getting Start in CVS" guide.

There are dozens, if not hundreds, of HOWTO guides on CVS.  I'd rather
not waste time reinventing the wheel.

For decent introductory material about CVS, check out
http://sfdocs.sourceforge.net/sfdocs/
which has guides for CVS, CVS/SSH and CVS/WIN32.

-- 
Dave Ahn | ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu | Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center

When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced.  Try to live your life
so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry.  -1/2 jj^2

From ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu  Tue Jun 27 12:22:31 2000
From: ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [VANILLA-LIST:3228] ping
In-Reply-To: <20000627083152.A11358@us.netrek.org>; from quozl@us.netrek.org on Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 08:31:52AM +1000
References: <C2AF2791F262D311BBD00008C7E67FB7E4906B@torino.corp.es.com> <20000627083152.A11358@us.netrek.org>
Message-ID: <20000627132231.B33221@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>

On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 08:31:52AM +1000, James Cameron wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 10:38:08AM -0600, ronbarry@es.com wrote:
> > I have been considering getting some mods done to the netrek server for
> > a number of years, but have not had the time until now.  I grabbed the
> > source today and found that the most recent entry in the changelog was
> > almost two years ago... not promising.
> 
> Where did you get this old source from?

He's probably talking about the CHANGES file.  He doesn't seem to have
noticed the new ChangeLog file.

-- 
Dave Ahn | ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu | Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center

When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced.  Try to live your life
so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry.  -1/2 jj^2

From ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu  Tue Jun 27 12:25:55 2000
From: ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [VANILLA-LIST:3233] server RPMs
In-Reply-To: <20000627083528.C11358@us.netrek.org>; from quozl@us.netrek.org on Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 08:35:28AM +1000
References: <20000626161152.A30547@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <20000627083528.C11358@us.netrek.org>
Message-ID: <20000627132555.C33221@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>

On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 08:35:28AM +1000, James Cameron wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 04:11:53PM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote:
> > Can someone enlighten me as to the contents of:
> > netrek-config-2.9pl5-1.i386.rpm
> > netrek-server-2.9pl5-1.i386.rpm
> > Are these source or binary RPMs?  Or both?
> 
> At the time they were built, we had no ability to publish source.
> That can change now.  Shall I do another build?

Nah.  Some folks suggested putting the Vanilla releases on SF, and I
went ahead and put the src and RPMs there.  I think we should continue
doing RPM releases in the future.

BTW, plans to release pl6 soon?

-- 
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When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced.  Try to live your life
so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry.  -1/2 jj^2

From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Jun 27 12:24:15 2000
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [VANILLA-LIST:3228] ping
In-Reply-To: <20000627132057.A33221@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>; from ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu on Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 01:20:57PM -0400
References: <20000626134403.A30068@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <Pine.SOL.3.96L.1000626191531.21805U-100000@unix7.andrew.cmu.edu> <20000627132057.A33221@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>
Message-ID: <20000627122415.E12665@real-time.com>

Quoting Dave Ahn (ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu):
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 07:16:02PM -0400, Zachary Uram wrote:
> > I think it would facilitate devlopment if one of you clued in CVS
> > could write a quick "Getting Start in CVS" guide.

Man, that is major NIH (not invented here) syndrome. There are googles of
HOWTOs, getting started, etc.

In fact, do a HOWTO CVS at google.

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From ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu  Tue Jun 27 12:30:25 2000
From: ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [VANILLA-LIST:3228] ping
In-Reply-To: <20000626164004.A12887@shell3.ba.best.com>; from doosh@best.com on Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 04:40:04PM -0700
References: <C2AF2791F262D311BBD00008C7E67FB7E4906F@torino.corp.es.com> <20000626164004.A12887@shell3.ba.best.com>
Message-ID: <20000627133025.D33221@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>

> 
> > Several years ago, I might have agreed.  The problem is that 
> > where we used to have a pretty big following, we are really
> > trailing off.  At this point maybe what makes the game better
> > is just whatever the hell gets people playing.

I think some of your reasoning for wanting to make these changes may
have some merit.  But I think that your assumption that LPS should
be more "interesting" is incorrect.  LPS only happens in the most
unbalanced (and IMO boring) games.  Netrek is far more interesting
when you have two teams that are relatively equal in strength.  That
isn't to say that we should enforce equality among teams, but I don't
think changing the LPS mechanics will do anything to help the game
attract a larger player base or to improve the game's mechanics.

-- 
Dave Ahn | ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu | Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center

When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced.  Try to live your life
so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry.  -1/2 jj^2

From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Jun 27 12:27:45 2000
From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [VANILLA-LIST:3228] ping
In-Reply-To: <20000627122415.E12665@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96L.1000627132740.761x-100000@unix12.andrew.cmu.edu>

Ok thanks, sorry hehe.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Bob Tanner wrote:

> Quoting Dave Ahn (ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu):
> > On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 07:16:02PM -0400, Zachary Uram wrote:
> > > I think it would facilitate devlopment if one of you clued in CVS
> > > could write a quick "Getting Start in CVS" guide.
> 
> Man, that is major NIH (not invented here) syndrome. There are googles of
> HOWTOs, getting started, etc.
> 
> In fact, do a HOWTO CVS at google.
> 
> -- 
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From ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu  Tue Jun 27 12:37:50 2000
From: ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [VANILLA-LIST:3228] ping
In-Reply-To: <20000627113520.G11358@us.netrek.org>; from quozl@us.netrek.org on Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 11:35:20AM +1000
References: <002d01bfdf97$a92ba9d0$b868688e@sleepwalker> <Pine.SOL.3.96L.1000626191648.21805W-100000@unix7.andrew.cmu.edu> <20000627113520.G11358@us.netrek.org>
Message-ID: <20000627133750.E33221@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>

On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 11:35:20AM +1000, James Cameron wrote:
> 
> We discussed it.  I declined.  Bob Tanner's hosting has far better
> support, access, and a privacy policy that fits our needs [nudge ahn].  
> We have registered our project at SourceForge, and track our bugs there.

SourceForge has some tools that aren't available at real-time.  I still
think moving there was a good decision.  However, I have been rather
disappointed at SF's slow net connection and lack of attention to security.

-- 
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When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced.  Try to live your life
so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry.  -1/2 jj^2

From ronbarry at es.com  Tue Jun 27 13:33:47 2000
From: ronbarry at es.com (ronbarry@es.com)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [VANILLA-LIST:3228] ping
Message-ID: <C2AF2791F262D311BBD00008C7E67FB7E49075@torino.corp.es.com>

> > > Several years ago, I might have agreed.  The problem is that 
> > > where we used to have a pretty big following, we are really
> > > trailing off.  At this point maybe what makes the game better
> > > is just whatever the hell gets people playing.
> 
> I think some of your reasoning for wanting to make these changes may
> have some merit.  But I think that your assumption that LPS should
> be more "interesting" is incorrect.  LPS only happens in the most
> unbalanced (and IMO boring) games.  Netrek is far more interesting
> when you have two teams that are relatively equal in strength.  That
> isn't to say that we should enforce equality among teams, but I don't
> think changing the LPS mechanics will do anything to help the game
> attract a larger player base or to improve the game's mechanics.

I totally agree.  The problem comes when you try to do something that
gets rid of LPS that makes it impossible to recover.  The target idea
here is something that makes it so a medium-clue team at LPS against
a high-clue team goes down faster - eliminating some of the tedium,
while still allowing a possibility for recovery if a couple high-
clue players join the LPS team.  I think I managed to cover that
necessity fairly well, but I am worried that it adds too much 
bookkeeping to every player's schedule.  If there are simpler ideas
out there that preserve a Sun Tzu-like system (fairness,
recoverability, makes tactical sense, fits the overall feel of the
game) I'd love to hear them.

	rOn

From jeffno at ccs.neu.edu  Tue Jun 27 14:03:11 2000
From: jeffno at ccs.neu.edu (Jeffrey Nowakowski)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [VANILLA-LIST:3228] ping
In-Reply-To: <C2AF2791F262D311BBD00008C7E67FB7E4906D@torino.corp.es.com> from "ronbarry@es.com" at Jun 26, 2000 02:29:15 PM
Message-ID: <200006271903.e5RJ3B902757@denali.ccs.neu.edu>

ronbarry@es.com wrote:
> 
> The way I see it, LPS is the bane of the game.

Sort of agree with you there, though cracking lps can be fun too.

> Timercide was obviously an attempt to chip away at this
> old problem, but it was a hack - one that has stood for
> far too long, in my opinion.

I see nothing wrong with timercide.  It is simple and effective.
Changing the mechanics with complicated "shuttle" schemes or the like
isn't a good idea.

-Jeff

From frankn at cs.vu.nl  Tue Jun 27 14:26:07 2000
From: frankn at cs.vu.nl (Frank Niessink)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] metaserver.eu.netrek.org
Message-ID: <20000627212607.A19892@flits.cs.vu.nl>

Hi guys,

As some of you might know, next to the two Us metaservers, a third
metaserver has been running for more than 4.5 years at
metaserver.eu.netrek.org.

Now the time has come to bring that metaserver down. Several reasons:
- There are hardly any Europeans that play Netrek any more.
- There are no European pickup servers with regular T-mode.
- The link with the US is quite good, so latency to the US metaservers
  is acceptable.
- Consequently, I don't want to put time in a service that is not
  really of use (any more).

So, metaserver.eu.netrek.org is down as of last night.

Cheers, Frank
-- 
A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely 
foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
	-- Douglas Adams, 'Mostly Harmless'


From ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu  Tue Jun 27 14:38:27 2000
From: ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [VANILLA-LIST:3228] ping
In-Reply-To: <C2AF2791F262D311BBD00008C7E67FB7E49075@torino.corp.es.com>; from ronbarry@es.com on Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 12:33:47PM -0600
References: <C2AF2791F262D311BBD00008C7E67FB7E49075@torino.corp.es.com>
Message-ID: <20000627153827.C33444@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>

On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 12:33:47PM -0600, ronbarry@es.com wrote:
> 
> The target idea
> here is something that makes it so a medium-clue team at LPS against
> a high-clue team goes down faster

What would this accomplish?  If you make genocide easier, it will only further
encourage players to clue stack.

> - eliminating some of the tedium,

There are easier ways to accomplish this.  You could reinstate timercide.
Or reset the game if a team is fewer than X planets.  Or change the res
location to be more distant from the homeworld.

However, I think LPS is part of the game.  If people insist on clue-stacking
on a team to geno a bunch of clueless twinks, then they deserve the boredom
of it all.  If they want a fun and challenging game, they can get it without
any help from code changes: join the weaker team.

-- 
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When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced.  Try to live your life
so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry.  -1/2 jj^2

From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Jun 27 15:04:49 2000
From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] metaserver.eu.netrek.org
In-Reply-To: <20000627212607.A19892@flits.cs.vu.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96L.1000627160414.761M-100000@unix12.andrew.cmu.edu>

huh this is all news to me!
what are the addressed of these _2_ US servers? I am only aware
of _1_ metaserver address for USA! :)

On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Frank Niessink wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> As some of you might know, next to the two Us metaservers, a third
> metaserver has been running for more than 4.5 years at
> metaserver.eu.netrek.org.
> 
> Now the time has come to bring that metaserver down. Several reasons:
> - There are hardly any Europeans that play Netrek any more.
> - There are no European pickup servers with regular T-mode.
> - The link with the US is quite good, so latency to the US metaservers
>   is acceptable.
> - Consequently, I don't want to put time in a service that is not
>   really of use (any more).
> 
> So, metaserver.eu.netrek.org is down as of last night.
> 
> Cheers, Frank
> -- 
> A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely 
> foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
> 	-- Douglas Adams, 'Mostly Harmless'
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> vanilla-list@us.netrek.org
> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list
> 

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From quozl at us.netrek.org  Tue Jun 27 17:27:04 2000
From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [VANILLA-LIST:3233] server RPMs
In-Reply-To: <20000627132555.C33221@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>; from ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu on Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 01:25:55PM -0400
References: <20000626161152.A30547@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <20000627083528.C11358@us.netrek.org> <20000627132555.C33221@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>
Message-ID: <20000628082704.C14758@us.netrek.org>

On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 01:25:55PM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote:
> BTW, plans to release pl6 soon?

Now.

Dave, could you consider merging res-rsa with vanilla so that the whole
thing is within the vanilla tree on an export, and thus in .tar.gz?
You're the expert on it.

-- 
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From quozl at us.netrek.org  Tue Jun 27 17:30:57 2000
From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] metaserver.eu.netrek.org
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.96L.1000627160414.761M-100000@unix12.andrew.cmu.edu>; from zu22@andrew.cmu.edu on Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 04:04:49PM -0400
References: <20000627212607.A19892@flits.cs.vu.nl> <Pine.SOL.3.96L.1000627160414.761M-100000@unix12.andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <20000628083057.D14758@us.netrek.org>

On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 04:04:49PM -0400, Zachary Uram wrote:
> huh this is all news to me!
> what are the addressed of these _2_ US servers? I am only aware
> of _1_ metaserver address for USA! :)

It was comprehensively announced, I recall.

in docs/sample_metaservers 
metaserver.us.netrek.org 3521 60 900 this.host.name B 2592 2593 open
metaserver2.us.netrek.org 3521 60 900 this.host.name B 2592 2593 open

-- 
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From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Jun 27 19:05:30 2000
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:56 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] 192.92.138.35
Message-ID: <20000627190530.I24505@real-time.com>

Umm, I am getting zone transfer requests for us.netrek.org from 192.92.138.35. 
Sven, did you move to a new box?


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From quozl at us.netrek.org  Tue Jun 27 20:36:01 2000
From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:57 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] 2.9pl6 released
Message-ID: <20000628113601.F14758@us.netrek.org>

2.9pl6 has been released.

ftp://ftp.netrek.org/pub/netrek/servers/vanilla/

c2cf950f9a026532fd5286e5c3606698  netrek-2.9pl6-1.src.rpm
2066f1cd95e207271005152cbaca18d7  netrek-config-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm
c1cbea91d83132efce818f07fe428e7b  netrek-server-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm
163fb60445e7bfed3edd8a295d9369b3  Vanilla-2.9pl6.tar.gz

-- 
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From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu  Wed Jun 28 10:10:04 2000
From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:57 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] metaserver.eu.netrek.org
In-Reply-To: <20000628083057.D14758@us.netrek.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96L.1000628110937.4698E-100000@unix12.andrew.cmu.edu>

Thanks, I someone missed it when it was "comprehensively"
announced :) 

On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, James Cameron wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 04:04:49PM -0400, Zachary Uram wrote:
> > huh this is all news to me!
> > what are the addressed of these _2_ US servers? I am only aware
> > of _1_ metaserver address for USA! :)
> 
> It was comprehensively announced, I recall.
> 
> in docs/sample_metaservers 
> metaserver.us.netrek.org 3521 60 900 this.host.name B 2592 2593 open
> metaserver2.us.netrek.org 3521 60 900 this.host.name B 2592 2593 open
> 
> -- 
> James Cameron    mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org     http://quozl.netrek.org/
> _______________________________________________
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> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list
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From quozl at us.netrek.org  Wed Jun 28 20:07:35 2000
From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:57 2005
Subject: [Vanilla List] 2.9pl6 released
In-Reply-To: <20000628113601.F14758@us.netrek.org>; from quozl@us.netrek.org on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 11:36:01AM +1000
References: <20000628113601.F14758@us.netrek.org>
Message-ID: <20000629110735.K14758@us.netrek.org>

2.9pl6 is being re-released.

Bad code, by me.  Dave and Karthik have already drawn me over the coals
about it in IRC.  ;-)  ntserv/salt.h is the fixed file.

10d14e9b332c0d77be1530ba292ab21b  Vanilla-2.9pl6.tar.gz
775412a38ec5f1b1d53702740cec45a4  netrek-2.9pl6-1.src.rpm
8934f7ced8775f57b059179065ba0c0a  netrek-config-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm
c5028755d59cc3e5d838981711ea932e  netrek-server-2.9pl6-1.i386.rpm

-- 
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From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Jun 27 01:21:54 2000
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:26 2005
Subject: [Metaserver] Testing
Message-ID: <20000627012154.H22840@real-time.com>

Testing new mailing list.

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