From quozl at us.netrek.org Mon Jun 4 00:33:57 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:50:31 2005 Subject: [Netrek Clients] Re: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: <20010508010526.A63381@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>; from ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 01:05:26AM -0400 References: <20010507203531.B35687@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <200105080206.f4826GA21249@denali.ccs.neu.edu> <20010508010526.A63381@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> Message-ID: <20010604153357.K3972@us.netrek.org> On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 01:05:26AM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote: > The current documentation and web site pretty much suck. They cater > to people who already know how to play. I agree that a slick client > with built-in tutorial and fancy graphics that installs with one > click is the way to go. Anyone have any ideas for open source installers that I could use for a one-click install of COW with sound and pixmaps? -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jun 4 00:46:46 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:50:31 2005 Subject: [Netrek Clients] Re: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: <20010604153357.K3972@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: Linux install base continues to grow. Instead of focusing on Win32 maybe we should concentrate on *NIX clients for revamp. *NIX gives far more freedom and flexibility IMHO. On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, James Cameron wrote: > On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 01:05:26AM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote: > > The current documentation and web site pretty much suck. They cater > > to people who already know how to play. I agree that a slick client > > with built-in tutorial and fancy graphics that installs with one > > click is the way to go. > > Anyone have any ideas for open source installers that I could use for > a one-click install of COW with sound and pixmaps? > > -- > James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 4 00:54:35 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:50:31 2005 Subject: [Netrek Clients] Re: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: ; from zu22@andrew.cmu.edu on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 01:46:46AM -0400 References: <20010604153357.K3972@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20010604005435.F18947@real-time.com> Quoting Zachary Uram (zu22@andrew.cmu.edu): > Linux install base continues to grow. > Instead of focusing on Win32 maybe we should concentrate on *NIX > clients for revamp. *NIX gives far more freedom and flexibility But 98% of the desktop is Win32. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From quozl at us.netrek.org Mon Jun 4 01:27:55 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:50:31 2005 Subject: [Netrek Clients] Re: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: ; from zu22@andrew.cmu.edu on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 01:46:46AM -0400 References: <20010604153357.K3972@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20010604162755.O3972@us.netrek.org> On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 01:46:46AM -0400, Zachary Uram wrote: > Linux install base continues to grow. > Instead of focusing on Win32 maybe we should concentrate on *NIX > clients for revamp. *NIX gives far more freedom and flexibility > IMHO. I agree, but following our discussion at this time last month, I sorta think that those 98% of the planetary computer literates might just be a good target as well. ;-) Increasing Netrek player count is more important to me than increasing the Linux population by attempting to force players to use Linux. What I _really_ need on the Linux/UNIX front is people to package up the client and server for the various flavours. We've already had a go at that, but lacked enthusiasm to continue. Bob did some excellent work at Red Hat spec files for the server, but I haven't had time to keep it alive after I dropped Red Hat on my machines. I've had a go at making Debian packages, and I seem to be nearly on top of it, and yet the latest server release was still only .tar.gz. We need someone willing to learn (or already knows) packaging. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From ssheldon at sodablue.org Mon Jun 4 02:25:11 2001 From: ssheldon at sodablue.org (Steve Sheldon) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:50:31 2005 Subject: [Netrek Clients] Re: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Two years ago when I did some random sampling of players on servers, around 80% of them were running a Windows client. I don't think that number has changed substantially today. I was actually very susprised as when I first started playing it was nearly 100% Unix based clients. Actually I've seen considerably less interest and hype regarding Linux in the past year. The recent swell of layoffs and no company yet to come out as profitable certainly do not help mindshare. That being said I do hope that Microsoft realizes that a handful of nickels is better than no dimes. The recent licensing moves are one of the most arrogant mistakes I've seen in the marketplace since Lotus first tried to do the same thing in the 80's. > -----Original Message----- > From: vanilla-clients-admin@us.netrek.org > [mailto:vanilla-clients-admin@us.netrek.org]On Behalf Of Zachary Uram > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 12:47 AM > To: James Cameron > Cc: vanilla-list@us.netrek.org; cow@netrek.org > Subject: [Netrek Clients] Re: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures > > > Linux install base continues to grow. > Instead of focusing on Win32 maybe we should concentrate on *NIX > clients for revamp. *NIX gives far more freedom and flexibility > IMHO. > > On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, James Cameron wrote: > > > On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 01:05:26AM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote: > > > The current documentation and web site pretty much suck. They cater > > > to people who already know how to play. I agree that a slick client > > > with built-in tutorial and fancy graphics that installs with one > > > click is the way to go. > > > > Anyone have any ideas for open source installers that I could use for > > a one-click install of COW with sound and pixmaps? > > > > -- > > James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > vanilla-list mailing list > > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > > > > > uram@cmu.edu > "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 > > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-clients mailing list > vanilla-clients@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-clients > > From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jun 4 02:54:01 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:50:31 2005 Subject: [Netrek Clients] Re: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: <20010604162755.O3972@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, James Cameron wrote: > Increasing Netrek player count is more important to me than increasing > the Linux population by attempting to force players to use Linux. I see your point. > What I _really_ need on the Linux/UNIX front is people to package up the > client and server for the various flavours. We've already had a go at > that, but lacked enthusiasm to continue. Bob did some excellent work at > Red Hat spec files for the server, but I haven't had time to keep it > alive after I dropped Red Hat on my machines. I've had a go at making > Debian packages, and I seem to be nearly on top of it, and yet the > latest server release was still only .tar.gz. We need someone willing > to learn (or already knows) packaging. I am running Debian. Would love to have netrek clients available as .deb and maybe get the Vanilla server as a .deb. Can I be of any help? I never packaged before. Runing Debian woody . 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Hardware: PC Operating systems: MS Windows 3.x/95/98/2000/NT, MS DOS DBMS: SQL Server, FoxPro, MySQL, Interbase, MS Access, Oracle Languages: C/C++, Pascal, Java, SQL, Basic, Prolog, Assembler Internet technologies: HTML/DHTML, XML, JavaScript, VBScript, ASP, SSI, Windows Sockets, ColdFusion, CGI, Perl, PHP, Flash4, Design Other technologies: COM/OLE, ActiveX, ODBC, DAO, ADO, WinAPI Software: MS Visual C++, C++ Builder, Borland C++, Delphi, Borland Pascal, MS Visual J++, JBuilder, Visual Basic, VBA, PhotoShop, Turbo Assembler, IIS, MS Office From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Mon Jun 4 01:32:50 2001 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:33 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla/rpm Message-ID: <200106040632.f546Woo22671@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com> Date: Monday June 4, 2001 @ 1:32 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla/rpm In directory swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv22668 Added Files: cow.spec Log Message: draft probably not working cow.spec file for bob to have a look at **************************************** From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Mon Jun 4 17:06:28 2001 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:33 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla/ntserv Message-ID: <200106042206.f54M6Sb23228@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com> Date: Monday June 4, 2001 @ 17:06 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla/ntserv In directory swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv23220/ntserv Modified Files: daemonII.c Log Message: ignore observers for t-mode scum checking **************************************** Index: Vanilla/ntserv/daemonII.c diff -u Vanilla/ntserv/daemonII.c:1.36 Vanilla/ntserv/daemonII.c:1.37 --- Vanilla/ntserv/daemonII.c:1.36 Mon Jan 22 16:26:59 2001 +++ Vanilla/ntserv/daemonII.c Mon Jun 4 17:06:28 2001 @@ -381,8 +381,13 @@ if (!(players[j].p_status == PFREE || players[j].p_stats.st_tticks == 0)) { #endif - if ((players[j].p_flags & PFROBOT)) - continue; +#ifdef OBSERVERS + if (players[j].p_status == POBSERV) + continue; +#endif + + if ((players[j].p_flags & PFROBOT)) + continue; #ifndef FULL_HOSTNAMES jptr = &players[j].p_monitor[strlen(players[j].p_monitor)-5]; @@ -407,10 +412,10 @@ ERROR(1,("Unable to open scum file.\n")); return; } - fprintf(fp,"POSSIBLE T-MODE SCUMMERS FOUND!!! (%d,%d)\n",i,who); + fprintf(fp,"POSSIBLE T-MODE SCUMMERS FOUND!!! (slots %d and %d) ",i,who); gmtsecs = time(NULL); today = localtime(&gmtsecs); - fprintf(fp,"on %d-%d-%d at %d:%d.%d\n", + fprintf(fp,"on %d-%02d-%02d at %d:%d.%d\n", today->tm_year+1900,(today->tm_mon)+1,today->tm_mday, today->tm_hour,today->tm_min,today->tm_sec); for (j=0; j Date: Monday June 4, 2001 @ 17:06 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla In directory swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv23220 Modified Files: ChangeLog Log Message: ignore observers for t-mode scum checking **************************************** Index: Vanilla/ChangeLog diff -u Vanilla/ChangeLog:1.124 Vanilla/ChangeLog:1.125 --- Vanilla/ChangeLog:1.124 Thu May 10 18:19:46 2001 +++ Vanilla/ChangeLog Mon Jun 4 17:06:28 2001 @@ -1,3 +1,7 @@ +Tue Jun 5 08:55:33 2001 James Cameron + + * ntserv/daemonII.c: ignore observers for t-mode scum checking. + Fri May 11 08:44:31 2001 James Cameron * include/struct.h, ntserv/genspkt.c, ntserv/redraw.c: ensure @@ -1308,4 +1312,4 @@ update_sys_defaults in updateMessages to a more appropriate location - updateClient in socket.c. - $Id: ChangeLog,v 1.124 2001/05/10 23:19:46 cameron Exp $ + $Id: ChangeLog,v 1.125 2001/06/04 22:06:28 cameron Exp $ From f355 at rmcnet.fr Fri Jun 8 11:35:25 2001 From: f355 at rmcnet.fr (f355@rmcnet.fr) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:33 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] (no subject) Message-ID: From f355 at rmcnet.fr Fri Jun 8 11:35:15 2001 From: f355 at rmcnet.fr (f355@rmcnet.fr) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:33 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] (no subject) Message-ID: From f355 at rmcnet.fr Fri Jun 8 11:35:30 2001 From: f355 at rmcnet.fr (f355@rmcnet.fr) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:33 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] (no subject) Message-ID: From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Fri Jun 22 00:47:43 2001 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:33 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: web Message-ID: <200106220547.f5M5lhs02682@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com> Date: Friday June 22, 2001 @ 0:47 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/web In directory swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv2679 Modified Files: index.html Log Message: red hat packages **************************************** Index: web/index.html diff -u web/index.html:1.24 web/index.html:1.25 --- web/index.html:1.24 Mon Apr 23 18:54:45 2001 +++ web/index.html Fri Jun 22 00:47:43 2001 @@ -40,9 +40,10 @@ provides a multi-player battle simulation server for Netrek clients.

-

Latest Release

+

Latest Source Release

-Version 2.9pl7 of the Netrek Vanilla Server was released on 23rd April 2001 and may be downloaded from:

+Version 2.9pl7 of the Netrek Vanilla Server was released on 23rd April +2001 and may be downloaded from:

  • http://vanilla.netrek.org/ @@ -84,9 +85,17 @@

    -Build and install instructions are in the file INSTALL. Further -instructions for INL server installation can be found in the file -INSTALL.INL.

    +

    Latest Binary Release

    + +Version 2.9pl7 of the Netrek Vanilla Server was built for Red Hat +i386, ppc, sparc and sparc64 platforms, and may be downloaded from the +Netrek +Project Filelist on SourceForge.

    + +Debian packaging volunteers welcome!.

    + +

    Changes

    Changes for 2.9pl7 were:

    From rexwhitten at msn.com Sun Jun 3 18:25:42 2001 From: rexwhitten at msn.com (Rex Whitten) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:25 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] ActiveXtrek Message-ID: Greetings Netrekkies, Im Rex Whitten. I am goign to be working on a Version of Netrek that is ActiveX. i am going to haev a website. Right now it is www.angelfire.com/trek/Netrekdatacore some of the stuff is there now, so check it out. Please dont hesitate to email me. Rexwhitten@msn.com Live long and prosper Dudes Rex WhittenGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/netrek-dev/attachments/20010603/c3afb4bc/attachment.htm From quozl at us.netrek.org Sun Jun 3 19:09:52 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:25 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] ActiveXtrek In-Reply-To: ; from rexwhitten@msn.com on Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 07:25:42PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20010604100952.C3972@us.netrek.org> G'day Rex, Glad to have you on board. We could do with some help to get the Netrek game onto more desktops! But I'm not sure how ActiveX would help with this. Can you tell me what it does? I've never used it myself. Most of my GUI development uses GTK+ and Glade. Have you tried the current COW 3.00pl3 client for Microsoft Windows with the high-quality graphics plug-in installed? It looks like the pictures on http://www.netrek.org/ (although the planets don't). I tried your page http://www.angelfire.com/trek/Netrekdatacore but it said my cat is taking typing lessons that are no good. Is the URL ok? Have you got a resume of previous achievements that I can have a look at to get a feel for where we can use your skills most appropriately? Mine is at http://quozl.netrek.org/resume.html -- James Cameron Outback Australia http://quozl.netrek.org/ From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Sun Jun 3 23:48:51 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:25 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] ActiveXtrek In-Reply-To: <20010604100952.C3972@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: AFAIK ActiveX is a M$ component that allows scripting and remote GUI'ing. Not sure. I don't see how you could run netrek client/server in just ActiveX? On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, James Cameron wrote: > G'day Rex, > > Glad to have you on board. We could do with some help to get the > Netrek game onto more desktops! > > But I'm not sure how ActiveX would help with this. Can you tell me > what it does? I've never used it myself. Most of my GUI development > uses GTK+ and Glade. > > Have you tried the current COW 3.00pl3 client for Microsoft Windows > with the high-quality graphics plug-in installed? It looks like the > pictures on http://www.netrek.org/ (although the planets don't). > > I tried your page http://www.angelfire.com/trek/Netrekdatacore but it > said my cat is taking typing lessons that are no good. Is the URL ok? > > Have you got a resume of previous achievements that I can have a look at > to get a feel for where we can use your skills most appropriately? > Mine is at http://quozl.netrek.org/resume.html > > -- > James Cameron > Outback Australia > http://quozl.netrek.org/ > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From quozl at us.netrek.org Mon Jun 4 00:33:57 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:25 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: <20010508010526.A63381@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>; from ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 01:05:26AM -0400 References: <20010507203531.B35687@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <200105080206.f4826GA21249@denali.ccs.neu.edu> <20010508010526.A63381@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> Message-ID: <20010604153357.K3972@us.netrek.org> On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 01:05:26AM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote: > The current documentation and web site pretty much suck. They cater > to people who already know how to play. I agree that a slick client > with built-in tutorial and fancy graphics that installs with one > click is the way to go. Anyone have any ideas for open source installers that I could use for a one-click install of COW with sound and pixmaps? -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From quozl at us.netrek.org Mon Jun 4 00:41:16 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:25 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: ; from ssheldon@sodablue.org on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 12:54:45AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010604154116.L3972@us.netrek.org> On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 12:54:45AM -0500, Steve Sheldon wrote: > But I'm going to promise to make a serious effort this next couple of weeks > to clean up my internal windows netrek client and bundle up a new release. How's it going, Steve? Got anything yet? ;-) I'm doing a demonstration and training evening for Netrek at a local government internet cafe next Tuesday. I've documented the COW and Netrek 1999 install sequence for newbies and I'm not happy with it. Have a look at http://netrek.gctc.hwy.com.au/ specifically the Microsoft Windows link. While I've had a go at describing the steps required, I'm not confident that many people will be able to struggle through it. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jun 4 00:46:46 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:25 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: <20010604153357.K3972@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: Linux install base continues to grow. Instead of focusing on Win32 maybe we should concentrate on *NIX clients for revamp. *NIX gives far more freedom and flexibility IMHO. On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, James Cameron wrote: > On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 01:05:26AM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote: > > The current documentation and web site pretty much suck. They cater > > to people who already know how to play. I agree that a slick client > > with built-in tutorial and fancy graphics that installs with one > > click is the way to go. > > Anyone have any ideas for open source installers that I could use for > a one-click install of COW with sound and pixmaps? > > -- > James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jun 4 00:50:38 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:25 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: <20010604154116.L3972@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: Your site isn't reachable James: UNIX9 ~ > traceroute netrek.gctc.hwy.com.au traceroute to netrek.gctc.hwy.com.au (210.10.126.139), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 CYH-A100-VLAN10.GW.CMU.NET (128.2.10.254) 9 ms 1 ms 1 ms 2 RTRBONE-FA6-0-0.GW.CMU.NET (128.2.255.2) 8 ms 53 ms 2 ms 3 nss5.psc.net (198.32.224.254) 1 ms 3 ms 1 ms 4 12.124.235.73 (12.124.235.73) 11 ms 10 ms 11 ms 5 gbr1-p100.wswdc.ip.att.net (12.123.9.42) 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 6 gr2-p350.wswdc.ip.att.net (12.123.8.238) 10 ms 11 ms 11 ms 7 att-gw.mae-east-atm.eni.net (192.205.37.10) 19 ms 19 ms 19ms 8 atm0-0-1.pao-c000.gw.epoch.net (155.229.123.162) 96 ms 96ms 96 ms 9 pos8-3.pao-c001.gw.epoch.net (155.229.120.185) 95 ms 96 ms95 ms 10 seri0-0-0.npa-m100.gw.epoch.net (155.229.120.138) 106 ms205 ms 303 ms 11 205-214-35-74.npa-m100.cust.gw.epoch.net (205.214.35.74) 99ms 99 ms 99 m s 12 * * * 13 210.10.124.4 (210.10.124.4) 466 ms 453 ms 485 ms 14 210.10.124.1 (210.10.124.1) 484 ms 477 ms 468 ms 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 *^C * 18 * On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, James Cameron wrote: > On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 12:54:45AM -0500, Steve Sheldon wrote: > > But I'm going to promise to make a serious effort this next couple of weeks > > to clean up my internal windows netrek client and bundle up a new release. > > How's it going, Steve? Got anything yet? ;-) > > I'm doing a demonstration and training evening for Netrek at a local > government internet cafe next Tuesday. I've documented the COW and > Netrek 1999 install sequence for newbies and I'm not happy with it. > > Have a look at http://netrek.gctc.hwy.com.au/ specifically the Microsoft > Windows link. While I've had a go at describing the steps required, I'm > not confident that many people will be able to struggle through it. > > -- > James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 4 00:54:35 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:25 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: ; from zu22@andrew.cmu.edu on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 01:46:46AM -0400 References: <20010604153357.K3972@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20010604005435.F18947@real-time.com> Quoting Zachary Uram (zu22@andrew.cmu.edu): > Linux install base continues to grow. > Instead of focusing on Win32 maybe we should concentrate on *NIX > clients for revamp. *NIX gives far more freedom and flexibility But 98% of the desktop is Win32. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jun 4 00:56:04 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:25 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: <20010604154116.L3972@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, James Cameron wrote: > > Have a look at http://netrek.gctc.hwy.com.au/ specifically the Microsoft I can access http://www.hwy.com.au/ but neither *gctc.hwy.com.au nor *netrek.gctc.hwy.com.au is accessible. firewall? please send me your documentation James. SDG, Zach uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jun 4 00:56:44 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:25 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: <20010604005435.F18947@real-time.com> Message-ID: Wow that much? That sux. Dang. Maybe in 10 yrs. things will be Linux 98% :D On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Zachary Uram (zu22@andrew.cmu.edu): > > Linux install base continues to grow. > > Instead of focusing on Win32 maybe we should concentrate on *NIX > > clients for revamp. *NIX gives far more freedom and flexibility > > But 98% of the desktop is Win32. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From quozl at us.netrek.org Mon Jun 4 01:10:28 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:25 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: ; from zu22@andrew.cmu.edu on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 01:50:38AM -0400 References: <20010604154116.L3972@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20010604161028.M3972@us.netrek.org> On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 01:50:38AM -0400, Zachary Uram wrote: > Your site isn't reachable James: Yep. Died shortly after I wrote that. ;-( Had to redial to another ISP. Try later. Welcome to Outback Australia. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 4 01:21:07 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:26 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: ; from zu22@andrew.cmu.edu on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 01:56:44AM -0400 References: <20010604005435.F18947@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010604012107.G18947@real-time.com> Quoting Zachary Uram (zu22@andrew.cmu.edu): > Wow that much? That sux. Dang. Maybe in 10 yrs. things will be > Linux 98% :D I|We can wish. But I highly doubt it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From quozl at us.netrek.org Mon Jun 4 01:22:42 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:26 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: <20010508101316.B28594@us.netrek.org>; from quozl@us.netrek.org on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 10:13:16AM +1000 References: <20010507161024.F21375@us.netrek.org> <200105072357.f47NvMK15890@denali.ccs.neu.edu> <20010508101316.B28594@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20010604162242.N3972@us.netrek.org> On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 10:13:16AM +1000, James Cameron wrote: > [port of server to win32] > I agree, this should be done. Last time I looked into it, I tried an > old version of Cygwin to do the port. I got stuck (again) on the > inheritance of open socket file descriptors during a fork(). Anyone > know if that is fixed yet? I just tried again. I get stuck on lack of shmget() and ipc.h. Is anyone familiar with Cygwin (1.3.2) enough to suggest a solution? -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From quozl at us.netrek.org Mon Jun 4 01:27:55 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:26 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: ; from zu22@andrew.cmu.edu on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 01:46:46AM -0400 References: <20010604153357.K3972@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20010604162755.O3972@us.netrek.org> On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 01:46:46AM -0400, Zachary Uram wrote: > Linux install base continues to grow. > Instead of focusing on Win32 maybe we should concentrate on *NIX > clients for revamp. *NIX gives far more freedom and flexibility > IMHO. I agree, but following our discussion at this time last month, I sorta think that those 98% of the planetary computer literates might just be a good target as well. ;-) Increasing Netrek player count is more important to me than increasing the Linux population by attempting to force players to use Linux. What I _really_ need on the Linux/UNIX front is people to package up the client and server for the various flavours. We've already had a go at that, but lacked enthusiasm to continue. Bob did some excellent work at Red Hat spec files for the server, but I haven't had time to keep it alive after I dropped Red Hat on my machines. I've had a go at making Debian packages, and I seem to be nearly on top of it, and yet the latest server release was still only .tar.gz. We need someone willing to learn (or already knows) packaging. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From ssheldon at sodablue.org Mon Jun 4 01:45:06 2001 From: ssheldon at sodablue.org (Steve Sheldon) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:26 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: <20010604154116.L3972@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: You know, I was going to spend some time this past week working on this. Instead I got sidetracked with my house. I have rearranged all my furniture, my office... and am now in the process of jointing the drywall in my garage preparing to paint it. Maybe if I just committed some time tomorrow night I could have something. > -----Original Message----- > From: vanilla-list-admin@us.netrek.org > [mailto:vanilla-list-admin@us.netrek.org]On Behalf Of James Cameron > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 12:41 AM > To: vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > Subject: Re: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures > > > On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 12:54:45AM -0500, Steve Sheldon wrote: > > But I'm going to promise to make a serious effort this next > couple of weeks > > to clean up my internal windows netrek client and bundle up a > new release. > > How's it going, Steve? Got anything yet? ;-) > > I'm doing a demonstration and training evening for Netrek at a local > government internet cafe next Tuesday. I've documented the COW and > Netrek 1999 install sequence for newbies and I'm not happy with it. > > Have a look at http://netrek.gctc.hwy.com.au/ specifically the Microsoft > Windows link. While I've had a go at describing the steps required, I'm > not confident that many people will be able to struggle through it. > > -- > James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > > From ssheldon at sodablue.org Mon Jun 4 01:45:04 2001 From: ssheldon at sodablue.org (Steve Sheldon) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:26 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] ActiveXtrek In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ActiveX is simply a GUI form of a COM component. I would say the technology serves two primary purposes: #1. as a reusable component for integration into other applications. The HTML engine of Internet Explorer is an ActiveX component, and IE is simply a front end interface to this engine, as an example. #2. also as a plug-in component for use with a web browser allowing greater functionality than HTML or scripted DHTML would provide. Honestly I don't see how either of these two purpose work well together with Netrek. I don't think people want to play Netrek from within a browser. On the other hand, if someone were wanting to rewrite the Netrek client in a more object oriented fashion, one could utilize COM components for networking, and different ActiveX components to represent the different pieces of the client. For instance an ActiveX component could contain the code representing the dashboard, or message window, etc. The Java client(written by Temple?) is object oriented as I recall from last reading the source, and it's kind of interesting how easily the pieces fit together in this fashion. I actually would be interested in thinking about and perhaps writing a netrek server/client using an object oriented architecture utilizing the .Net beta. I haven't thought this through enough to decide whether it is worth doing from a technical standpoint, but it'd be a great learning opportunity to understand the abilities and limitations of the framework. > -----Original Message----- > From: vanilla-list-admin@us.netrek.org > [mailto:vanilla-list-admin@us.netrek.org]On Behalf Of Zachary Uram > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:49 PM > To: vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > Subject: Re: [Vanilla List] ActiveXtrek > > > AFAIK ActiveX is a M$ component that allows scripting and remote > GUI'ing. Not sure. I don't see how you could run netrek > client/server in just ActiveX? > > On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, James Cameron wrote: > > > G'day Rex, > > > > Glad to have you on board. We could do with some help to get the > > Netrek game onto more desktops! > > > > But I'm not sure how ActiveX would help with this. Can you tell me > > what it does? I've never used it myself. Most of my GUI development > > uses GTK+ and Glade. > > > > Have you tried the current COW 3.00pl3 client for Microsoft Windows > > with the high-quality graphics plug-in installed? It looks like the > > pictures on http://www.netrek.org/ (although the planets don't). > > > > I tried your page http://www.angelfire.com/trek/Netrekdatacore but it > > said my cat is taking typing lessons that are no good. Is the URL ok? > > > > Have you got a resume of previous achievements that I can have a look at > > to get a feel for where we can use your skills most appropriately? > > Mine is at http://quozl.netrek.org/resume.html > > > > -- > > James Cameron > > Outback Australia > > http://quozl.netrek.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > vanilla-list mailing list > > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > > > > > uram@cmu.edu > "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 > > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 4 01:44:43 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:26 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: <20010604162755.O3972@us.netrek.org>; from quozl@us.netrek.org on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 04:27:55PM +1000 References: <20010604153357.K3972@us.netrek.org> <20010604162755.O3972@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20010604014443.H18947@real-time.com> Quoting James Cameron (quozl@us.netrek.org): > What I _really_ need on the Linux/UNIX front is people to package up the > client and server for the various flavours. We've already had a go at > that, but lacked enthusiasm to continue. Bob did some excellent work at > Red Hat spec files for the server, but I haven't had time to keep it > alive after I dropped Red Hat on my machines. I've had a go at making > Debian packages, and I seem to be nearly on top of it, and yet the > latest server release was still only .tar.gz. We need someone willing > to learn (or already knows) packaging. Eh? Has anything major changed in the server layout that the .spec file needs to be updated? From browsing the cvs commit archive, I just see bug fixes, which should require a release change, but nothing more. I don't recall a new official release being announced, where I'd need to roll a new server rpm. I'll roll new rpms right now. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From quozl at us.netrek.org Mon Jun 4 02:19:12 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:26 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: <20010604014443.H18947@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 01:44:43AM -0500 References: <20010604153357.K3972@us.netrek.org> <20010604162755.O3972@us.netrek.org> <20010604014443.H18947@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010604171912.R3972@us.netrek.org> On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 01:44:43AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I don't recall a new official release being announced, where I'd > need to roll a new server rpm. Bob and I chatted in IRC. He was expecting a sourceforge.net announce, but I'd never done it that I could recall, and it was not in my notes. I've done one now, and updated my notes. I guess someone else did the one last year. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From ssheldon at sodablue.org Mon Jun 4 02:25:11 2001 From: ssheldon at sodablue.org (Steve Sheldon) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:26 2005 Subject: [Netrek Clients] Re: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Two years ago when I did some random sampling of players on servers, around 80% of them were running a Windows client. I don't think that number has changed substantially today. I was actually very susprised as when I first started playing it was nearly 100% Unix based clients. Actually I've seen considerably less interest and hype regarding Linux in the past year. The recent swell of layoffs and no company yet to come out as profitable certainly do not help mindshare. That being said I do hope that Microsoft realizes that a handful of nickels is better than no dimes. The recent licensing moves are one of the most arrogant mistakes I've seen in the marketplace since Lotus first tried to do the same thing in the 80's. > -----Original Message----- > From: vanilla-clients-admin@us.netrek.org > [mailto:vanilla-clients-admin@us.netrek.org]On Behalf Of Zachary Uram > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 12:47 AM > To: James Cameron > Cc: vanilla-list@us.netrek.org; cow@netrek.org > Subject: [Netrek Clients] Re: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures > > > Linux install base continues to grow. > Instead of focusing on Win32 maybe we should concentrate on *NIX > clients for revamp. *NIX gives far more freedom and flexibility > IMHO. > > On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, James Cameron wrote: > > > On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 01:05:26AM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote: > > > The current documentation and web site pretty much suck. They cater > > > to people who already know how to play. I agree that a slick client > > > with built-in tutorial and fancy graphics that installs with one > > > click is the way to go. > > > > Anyone have any ideas for open source installers that I could use for > > a one-click install of COW with sound and pixmaps? > > > > -- > > James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > vanilla-list mailing list > > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > > > > > uram@cmu.edu > "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 > > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-clients mailing list > vanilla-clients@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-clients > > From quozl at us.netrek.org Mon Jun 4 02:23:07 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:26 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] ActiveXtrek In-Reply-To: ; from ssheldon@sodablue.org on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 01:45:04AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010604172307.S3972@us.netrek.org> On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 01:45:04AM -0500, Steve Sheldon wrote: > I haven't thought this through enough to decide whether it is > worth doing from a technical standpoint, but it'd be a great learning > opportunity to understand the abilities and limitations of the framework. Gigantic alarm bells ring in my ears everytime someone suggests to me a rewrite in another language for the purposes of a learning exercise. Cynical, aren't I? ;-) I don't think there's technical merit in the idea ... at least not yet. I think we need more information from the original proponent, so that we can make a valid conclusion. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 4 02:49:45 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:26 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] 2.9pl7 Server RPMs Message-ID: <20010604024945.I18947@real-time.com> Ok, 2.9pl7 server RPMs are up on sourceforge.net. I've added 3 new architectures as well, sparc64, sparc and ppc (all linux) to the rpms. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jun 4 02:54:01 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:26 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: <20010604162755.O3972@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, James Cameron wrote: > Increasing Netrek player count is more important to me than increasing > the Linux population by attempting to force players to use Linux. I see your point. > What I _really_ need on the Linux/UNIX front is people to package up the > client and server for the various flavours. We've already had a go at > that, but lacked enthusiasm to continue. Bob did some excellent work at > Red Hat spec files for the server, but I haven't had time to keep it > alive after I dropped Red Hat on my machines. I've had a go at making > Debian packages, and I seem to be nearly on top of it, and yet the > latest server release was still only .tar.gz. We need someone willing > to learn (or already knows) packaging. I am running Debian. Would love to have netrek clients available as .deb and maybe get the Vanilla server as a .deb. Can I be of any help? I never packaged before. Runing Debian woody . SDG, Zach uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 4 02:59:37 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:26 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: ; from zu22@andrew.cmu.edu on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 03:54:01AM -0400 References: <20010604162755.O3972@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20010604025937.K18947@real-time.com> Quoting Zachary Uram (zu22@andrew.cmu.edu): > I am running Debian. Would love to have netrek clients available > as .deb and maybe get the Vanilla server as a .deb. > Can I be of any help? I never packaged before. > Runing Debian woody . > Could use alien to convert from rpm to deb? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jun 4 03:07:21 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:26 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: <20010604025937.K18947@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Could use alien to convert from rpm to deb? So having .deb's in CVS repository would be redundant? Wouldn't .deb install be different config procedure than for say a Red Hat .rpm? uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From doosh at best.com Mon Jun 4 09:52:41 2001 From: doosh at best.com (Tom Holub) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:26 2005 Subject: [Netrek Clients] Re: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: ; from ssheldon@sodablue.org on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 02:25:11AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010604075241.A8823@best.com> On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 02:25:11AM -0500, Steve Sheldon wrote: > > Actually I've seen considerably less interest and hype regarding Linux in > the past year. The recent swell of layoffs and no company yet to come out > as profitable certainly do not help mindshare. There may be less hype, but Linux has made serious inroads in the last year. It's by far the fastest-growing server, is the #1 Web server OS outside the US, and the server market share is large and growing fast within the US, probably to overtake Windows within the next year. It's not large on the desktop and is several years away from being a realistic desktop replacement for non-geeks. -Tom From lcrawfo at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 11:24:59 2001 From: lcrawfo at yahoo.com (Lee Crawford) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:26 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010604162459.91920.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Steve, If you need a hand let me know. I figured someone had started a flame war or something with all the sudden group chatter... Cheers' Lee Crommie' - Leftovers 2001 --- Steve Sheldon wrote: > You know, I was going to spend some time this past > week working on this. > > Instead I got sidetracked with my house. I have > rearranged all my > furniture, my office... and am now in the process of > jointing the drywall in > my garage preparing to paint it. > > Maybe if I just committed some time tomorrow night I > could have something. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From quozl at us.netrek.org Mon Jun 4 17:42:31 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:26 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: ; from zu22@andrew.cmu.edu on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 03:54:01AM -0400 References: <20010604162755.O3972@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20010605084231.T3972@us.netrek.org> On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 03:54:01AM -0400, Zachary Uram wrote: > I am running Debian. Would love to have netrek clients available > as .deb and maybe get the Vanilla server as a .deb. > Can I be of any help? I never packaged before. > Runing Debian woody . Yes, you could help ... go to the Debian web site and read up on packaging. In brief, the process involves creating a debian subdirectory in the package source tree that contains files that describe the packaging process. Then the dpkg-buildpackage command is used to generate the source and binary package files. While alien could be used, we'd need to test the output carefully. Debian has good support for typical actions by packages on installation, such as adding cron or init.d entries. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jun 4 18:02:11 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:26 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Growing Netrek - Measures In-Reply-To: <20010605084231.T3972@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: hi james ok will go and read up on that zach On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, James Cameron wrote: > Yes, you could help ... go to the Debian web site and read up on > packaging. In brief, the process involves creating a debian > subdirectory in the package source tree that contains files that > describe the packaging process. Then the dpkg-buildpackage command is > used to generate the source and binary package files. uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From homerstoes098 at ozemail.com.au Tue Jun 5 22:22:12 2001 From: homerstoes098 at ozemail.com.au (homerstoes098@ozemail.com.au) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:27 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Freddo loved it Message-ID: <190.259070.511495@ozemail.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/netrek-dev/attachments/20010605/1ae05787/attachment.html From DSI at ts.co.nz Mon Jun 11 22:45:32 2001 From: DSI at ts.co.nz (Duncan Schneider International Ltd) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:27 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] organic vanilla ! Message-ID: <003901c0f2f2$9f2ce1a0$0a7f32ca@w98sysrec> Dear Sir ! We would need to buy certified organic vanilla powder (ground vanilla) , 100 kgs. Organic certification is highly essential, must be accredited by IFOAM or other. Please send me a quote for these 100 kgs FOB main port or, CIF Hamburg, Germany. We will be out of our old suppliers stock shortly, your early reply is highly appreciated. We would need a reliable supply in the future, with estimated 500 - 750 kgs per annum. Payment would be LoC with your bank through the National Bank of New Zealand in advance after receipt of FOB papers. I am looking forward to your valued reply ! best regards, Bernhard ph+fax: 0064 - 3 - 539 14 77 From karthik at karthik.com Mon Jun 11 23:07:08 2001 From: karthik at karthik.com (Karthik Arumugham) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:27 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] organic vanilla ! In-Reply-To: <003901c0f2f2$9f2ce1a0$0a7f32ca@w98sysrec> Message-ID: Hello, We have received reports of organic vanilla powder on the planet Capella. We have dispatched a DD to pick up a shipment of the valuable vanilla powder from this planet, however this will be a dangerous mission as there is a starbase parked above the planet hurling plasma. We hope to set up a base ogg under which the DD pilot can attempt to beam the vanilla off the planet. We will ship the vanilla powder to you promptly if the mission is successful, or send you a bill for the destroyed DD if it is not. On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Duncan Schneider International Ltd wrote: > Dear Sir ! > > We would need to buy certified organic vanilla powder (ground vanilla) , 100 > kgs. > > Organic certification is highly essential, must be accredited by IFOAM or > other. > > Please send me a quote for these 100 kgs FOB main port or, CIF Hamburg, > Germany. > > We will be out of our old suppliers stock shortly, your early reply is > highly appreciated. > > We would need a reliable supply in the future, with estimated 500 - 750 kgs > per annum. > > Payment would be LoC with your bank through the National Bank of New > Zealand in advance after receipt of FOB papers. > > > I am looking forward to your valued reply ! > > best regards, > > Bernhard > > ph+fax: 0064 - 3 - 539 14 77 > > > > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > From dotman at UDel.Edu Mon Jun 11 23:26:33 2001 From: dotman at UDel.Edu (Rich Hansen) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:27 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] organic vanilla ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lol. And I thought this dude was confused when he first sent the message. Rich dotman@udel.edu On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Karthik Arumugham wrote: > Hello, > > We have received reports of organic vanilla powder on the planet Capella. We > have dispatched a DD to pick up a shipment of the valuable vanilla powder > from this planet, however this will be a dangerous mission as there is a > starbase parked above the planet hurling plasma. We hope to set up a base > ogg under which the DD pilot can attempt to beam the vanilla off the planet. > We will ship the vanilla powder to you promptly if the mission is > successful, or send you a bill for the destroyed DD if it is not. > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Duncan Schneider International Ltd wrote: > > > Dear Sir ! > > > > We would need to buy certified organic vanilla powder (ground vanilla) , 100 > > kgs. > > > > Organic certification is highly essential, must be accredited by IFOAM or > > other. > > > > Please send me a quote for these 100 kgs FOB main port or, CIF Hamburg, > > Germany. > > > > We will be out of our old suppliers stock shortly, your early reply is > > highly appreciated. > > > > We would need a reliable supply in the future, with estimated 500 - 750 kgs > > per annum. > > > > Payment would be LoC with your bank through the National Bank of New > > Zealand in advance after receipt of FOB papers. > > > > > > I am looking forward to your valued reply ! > > > > best regards, > > > > Bernhard > > > > ph+fax: 0064 - 3 - 539 14 77 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > vanilla-list mailing list > > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Tue Jun 12 09:19:57 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:27 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] organic vanilla ! In-Reply-To: <003901c0f2f2$9f2ce1a0$0a7f32ca@w98sysrec> Message-ID: ROFL! haha i can't believe they sent this to our "Vanilla" list haha probably some stupid spam agent or an even dumber person uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Tue Jun 12 09:20:38 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:27 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] organic vanilla ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ROFL!!! haha this is TOO funny!!! On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Karthik Arumugham wrote: > Hello, > > We have received reports of organic vanilla powder on the planet Capella. We > have dispatched a DD to pick up a shipment of the valuable vanilla powder > from this planet, however this will be a dangerous mission as there is a > starbase parked above the planet hurling plasma. We hope to set up a base > ogg under which the DD pilot can attempt to beam the vanilla off the planet. > We will ship the vanilla powder to you promptly if the mission is > successful, or send you a bill for the destroyed DD if it is not. > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Duncan Schneider International Ltd wrote: > > > Dear Sir ! > > > > We would need to buy certified organic vanilla powder (ground vanilla) , 100 > > kgs. > > > > Organic certification is highly essential, must be accredited by IFOAM or > > other. > > > > Please send me a quote for these 100 kgs FOB main port or, CIF Hamburg, > > Germany. > > > > We will be out of our old suppliers stock shortly, your early reply is > > highly appreciated. > > > > We would need a reliable supply in the future, with estimated 500 - 750 kgs > > per annum. > > > > Payment would be LoC with your bank through the National Bank of New > > Zealand in advance after receipt of FOB papers. > > > > > > I am looking forward to your valued reply ! > > > > best regards, > > > > Bernhard > > > > ph+fax: 0064 - 3 - 539 14 77 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > vanilla-list mailing list > > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From lcrawfo at yahoo.com Tue Jun 12 10:35:25 2001 From: lcrawfo at yahoo.com (Lee Crawford) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:27 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] organic vanilla ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010612153525.57399.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Now that makes my morning, a valued reply indeed! :-) Thanks Karthik! Crommie' --- Karthik Arumugham wrote: > Hello, > > We have received reports of organic vanilla powder > on the planet Capella. We > have dispatched a DD to pick up a shipment of the > valuable vanilla powder > from this planet, however this will be a dangerous > mission as there is a > starbase parked above the planet hurling plasma. We > hope to set up a base > ogg under which the DD pilot can attempt to beam the > vanilla off the planet. > We will ship the vanilla powder to you promptly if > the mission is > successful, or send you a bill for the destroyed DD > if it is not. > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Duncan Schneider International > Ltd wrote: > > > Dear Sir ! > > > > We would need to buy certified organic vanilla > powder (ground vanilla) , 100 > > kgs. > > > > Organic certification is highly essential, must be > accredited by IFOAM or > > other. > > > > Please send me a quote for these 100 kgs FOB main > port or, CIF Hamburg, > > Germany. > > > > We will be out of our old suppliers stock shortly, > your early reply is > > highly appreciated. > > > > We would need a reliable supply in the future, > with estimated 500 - 750 kgs > > per annum. > > > > Payment would be LoC with your bank through the > National Bank of New > > Zealand in advance after receipt of FOB papers. > > > > > > I am looking forward to your valued reply ! > > > > best regards, > > > > Bernhard > > > > ph+fax: 0064 - 3 - 539 14 77 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From homicide at mrtall.compsoc.man.ac.uk Tue Jun 12 14:40:21 2001 From: homicide at mrtall.compsoc.man.ac.uk (John 'Homicide' Gilbertson) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:27 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] organic vanilla ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010612203952.S27840-100000@mrtall.compsoc.man.ac.uk> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Karthik Arumugham wrote: > Hello, > > We have received reports of organic vanilla powder on the planet Capella. We > have dispatched a DD to pick up a shipment of the valuable vanilla powder > from this planet, however this will be a dangerous mission as there is a > starbase parked above the planet hurling plasma. We hope to set up a base > ogg under which the DD pilot can attempt to beam the vanilla off the planet. > We will ship the vanilla powder to you promptly if the mission is > successful, or send you a bill for the destroyed DD if it is not. Excellent. Made my evening that has. John Gilbertson -- I love you coffee; You make me glow. You make me smile. I love you so. My nerves don't like you, but what do they know? - Garfield, 1/10/1982 From mount7 at ozemail.com.au Fri Jun 15 19:04:36 2001 From: mount7 at ozemail.com.au (mount7@ozemail.com.au) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:27 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] May the force be with you ! Message-ID: <597.824665.395200@ozemail.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/netrek-dev/attachments/20010615/3f282ab0/attachment.htm From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Sun Jun 17 16:15:55 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:27 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] problem w/ puck.psychosis.net Message-ID: am able to connect, login and select race but then it just hangs and presents black tactical and galactic shows server info, can't even quit. connecting on default port 2592 uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From brians at eic.net Sun Jun 17 17:28:34 2001 From: brians at eic.net (Brian Stamper) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:27 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: Netrek-Hockey: problem w/ puck.psychosis.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You're probably using a win32 client, if so, reboot. If that doesn't work, reinstall windows. If that still doesn't work it's god's way (and every real hockey player's way) of telling you that we don't want you to play hockey anymore. -brian On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Zachary Uram wrote: > am able to connect, login and select race but then > it just hangs and presents black tactical and galactic shows > server info, can't even quit. > connecting on default port 2592 > > > uram@cmu.edu > "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 > > From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Sun Jun 17 19:04:45 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:27 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: Netrek-Hockey: problem w/ puck.psychosis.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: lol! will boot into Linux and try it with BRMH client On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Brian Stamper wrote: > > You're probably using a win32 client, if so, reboot. If that doesn't > work, reinstall windows. If that still doesn't work it's god's way > (and every real hockey player's way) of telling you that we don't > want you to play hockey anymore. > > -brian > > > On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Zachary Uram wrote: > > > am able to connect, login and select race but then > > it just hangs and presents black tactical and galactic shows > > server info, can't even quit. > > connecting on default port 2592 > > > > > > uram@cmu.edu > > "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 > > > > > > uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From quozl at us.netrek.org Sun Jun 17 21:08:20 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:27 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Dead slot, KWINNER, POUTFIT, but p_ghostbuster 0 Message-ID: <20010618120820.I2354@us.netrek.org> G'day, I've made a core dump of a dead slot's ntserv by giving it a SIGILL. Looking for ideas as to cause. p_status is POUTFIT, p_whydead is KWINNER, but p_ghostbuster is zero. I cannot find what is causing p_ghostbuster to be zero. Presumably something was resetting it. I've checked all the writes to p_ghostbuser that I could find, but none of them matched the situation. (gdb) bt #0 0x5019ac78 in __read () at soinit.c:59 #1 0x2667c in doRead (asock=5) at socket.c:1007 #2 0x262e8 in readFromClient () at socket.c:943 #3 0x1922c in input () at input.c:152 #4 0x1d364 in main (argc=1, argv=0xefffedb8) at main.c:410 (gdb) p *me $1 = {p_no = 13, p_updates = 2289, p_status = 1, p_flags = 33562625, p_name = "guest\000iller\000ean", p_login = "neilson\000ySilly\000", p_monitor = "#sun705.usc.edu", p_longname = "guest (Rd)\000lean (Rd)\000", p_mapchars = "Rd", p_ship = { }, p_x = 16099, p_y = 18233, p_dir = 0 '\000', p_desdir = 0 '\000', p_subdir = 0, p_speed = 0, p_desspeed = 0, p_subspeed = 0, p_team = 2, p_damage = 148, p_subdamage = 0, p_shield = 0, p_subshield = 250, p_cloakphase = 0, p_ntorp = 0, p_nplasmatorp = 0, p_hostile = 13 '\r', p_swar = 0 '\000', p_war = 13 '\r', p_lastseenby = 1 '\001', p_kills = 0, p_planet = 10, p_playerl = 2, p_armies = 0, p_fuel = 14000, p_explode = 0, p_etemp = 0, p_etime = 0, p_wtemp = 0, p_wtime = 0, p_whydead = 7, p_whodead = 0, p_stats = { }, p_genoplanets = 0, p_genoarmsbomb = 0, p_planets = 0, p_armsbomb = 0, p_ghostbuster = 0, p_docked = 0, p_port = {-1, -1, -1, -1}, p_tractor = 3, p_pos = -1, w_queue = 0, p_full_hostname = "lvl-sun705.usc.edu\000h.edu\000com\000.ca\000\000\000a\000. com", '\000' , p_avrt = 65, p_stdv = 8, p_pkls_c_s = 2, p_pkls_s_c = 1, p_timerdelay = 1, p_process = 10592, p_df = 0, p_tg = 0} -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From go5612gwe at arabia.com Mon Jun 18 14:02:46 2001 From: go5612gwe at arabia.com (go5612gwe@arabia.com) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:27 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] WHY NOT TRY IT? 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    --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From magdaminnaar at telkomsa.net Sat Jun 23 08:40:59 2001 From: magdaminnaar at telkomsa.net (magda) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:27 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] vanilla tree Message-ID: <001701c0fbea$242caac0$da6aef9b@jan> Where can i buy a vanilla tree, i am in South africa and do not now where to look for it. Can any one please help. magda magdaminnaar@telkomsa.net From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Sat Jun 23 16:43:34 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:27 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] vanilla tree In-Reply-To: <001701c0fbea$242caac0$da6aef9b@jan> Message-ID: ROFL! that is funniest thing I've seen all year since the AYBABTU! please tell me this guy is not serious?! LOL!!!!!!!!!!! On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, magda wrote: > Where can i buy a vanilla tree, i am in South africa and do not now where > to look for it. Can any one please help. > magda > magdaminnaar@telkomsa.net > > > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From quozl at us.netrek.org Sun Jun 24 05:13:26 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:27 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] vanilla tree In-Reply-To: ; from zu22@andrew.cmu.edu on Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 05:43:34PM -0400 References: <001701c0fbea$242caac0$da6aef9b@jan> Message-ID: <20010624201326.B8563@us.netrek.org> On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 05:43:34PM -0400, Zachary Uram wrote: > that is funniest thing I've seen all year since the AYBABTU! > please tell me this guy is not serious?! LOL!!!!!!!!!!! On the contrary, the name of the mailing list could easily be misinterpreted as relating to vanilla. They seem serious. We don't talk about vanilla the tree here much. We talk about a computer game Netrek, vanilla flavoured. The vanilla we use means standard or default flavour. It comes from icecream flavours. Thus it is really only relevant for city dwellers in economically successful countries. I've got 800 acres I could consider growing vanilla in, if I thought it was any good as a product. ;-) -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From ddamout1 at san.rr.com Sun Jun 24 13:27:53 2001 From: ddamout1 at san.rr.com (Daniel Damouth) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:28 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] vanilla tree References: <001701c0fbea$242caac0$da6aef9b@jan> <20010624201326.B8563@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <000901c0fcdb$61f11200$75351b42@san.rr.com> From: "James Cameron" > I've got 800 acres I could consider growing vanilla in, if I thought it > was any good as a product. ;-) Netrek farm!!! From 007 at freemail.at Sun Jun 24 14:28:47 2001 From: 007 at freemail.at (Kurt Siegl) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:28 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] vanilla tree In-Reply-To: <001701c0fbea$242caac0$da6aef9b@jan> References: <001701c0fbea$242caac0$da6aef9b@jan> Message-ID: <01062421310901.00590@doosh> On Sam, 23 Jun 2001 magda wrote: >Where can i buy a vanilla tree, i am in South africa and do not now where >to look for it. Can any one please help. Oh I'm just back from 1 week in south africa, so if I would have known earlier, I might have been able to arange something ;-) Kurt (007) -- Kurt Siegl / Franzberg 4, A-4483 Hargelsberg, Austria Email: Kurt.Siegl@freemail.at Tel (ISDN): *(7225)7017 URL: http://members.aon.at/presents/siegl/kurt/ From pets1111us at yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 14:50:19 2001 From: pets1111us at yahoo.com (pets1111us@yahoo.com) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:28 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Earn Up to $10 for each animal placed in a loving home Message-ID: <200106241948.f5OJmEK01669@sprite.real-time.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/netrek-dev/attachments/20010619/dfd68ab3/attachment.html From quozl at us.netrek.org Sun Jun 24 20:47:06 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:28 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] 2.9pl7 Server RPMs In-Reply-To: <20010604024945.I18947@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 02:49:45AM -0500 References: <20010604024945.I18947@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010625114706.D15772@us.netrek.org> On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 02:49:45AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Ok, 2.9pl7 server RPMs are up on sourceforge.net. I've added 3 new > architectures as well, sparc64, sparc and ppc (all linux) to the rpms. I've updated http://vanilla.netrek.org/ with a pointer to these, thanks. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Sat Jun 30 20:55:11 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:28 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] is bronco dead? Message-ID: for the 5th consecutive night i login to meta and see a full game on ufl chaos server and only 3 ppl on continuum. have all the continuum regulars gone on vacation? this shift to chaos all seemed to happen this past week. what is going on? who is in charge of what shows up on the meta? who runs the ufl server? something must be done to save continuum. i don't understand why this sudden mass exodus from bronco. !? uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From homerstoes098 at ozemail.com.au Tue Jun 5 22:22:12 2001 From: homerstoes098 at ozemail.com.au (homerstoes098@ozemail.com.au) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:29 2005 Subject: [META] Freddo loved it Message-ID: <190.259070.511495@ozemail.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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