From Wolverine644 at aol.com Wed Oct 3 22:57:44 2001 From: Wolverine644 at aol.com (Wolverine644@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:50:33 2005 Subject: [Netrek Clients] (no subject) Message-ID: <27.1bfb1873.28ed3838@aol.com> From Wolverine644 at aol.com Fri Oct 5 00:38:20 2001 From: Wolverine644 at aol.com (Wolverine644@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:50:33 2005 Subject: [Netrek Clients] (no subject) Message-ID: <6a.146fc6a0.28eea14c@aol.com> From crisha at trafficbbs.com Sun Oct 7 14:18:23 2001 From: crisha at trafficbbs.com (Crisha Wenston) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:50:34 2005 Subject: [Netrek Clients] COW.NETREK.ORG Message-ID: <200110071920.f97JKpJ23416@sprite.real-time.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Con esa convicci?n es que me decid? a escribirle para plantearle mis inquietudes. Estoy convencido de que CNN es la construcci?n de lo que hay en su alma y a esa esencia dirijo esta carta. Ingenua, tal vez. Y rid?cula, me temo. Pero cr?ame que est? escrita con lo m?s honesto de m?. Soy ghostwriter de periodistas de Ambito Financiero, que como usted sabe es el diario de orientaci?n econ?mica m?s importante de Argentina; y de La Capital, diario decano de la prensa argentina, para los que escribo y fotograf?o sin relaci?n de dependencia. Lo que me impulsa a escribirle es que desde que sent? el fuego de esta profesi?n, a los 10 a?os de edad, vivo so?ando. Con ser corresponsal de guerra, con llegar alg?n d?a a escribir en las portadas de los diarios m?s prestigiosos del mundo, ser reportero de CNN y con todo lo que usted imagina que pueda ser el sue?o de un periodista. Lamentablemente, en mi pa?s no hay muchas oportunidades para quienes no acrediten una brillante trayectoria. Y por cosas de la vida, yo no he podido desarrollarla. A mis cercanos 48 a?os, siento que ese sue?o se me escapa y por eso le escribo. Tal vez so?ando con que el l?der de la cadena m?s grande del mundo lea la carta de un peque??simo periodista sudamericano con sue?os y decida darle una oportunidad. Como en las pel?culas. Y me averguenzo por pensarlo y decirlo. Lo ?nico que tengo para ofrecer profesionalmente es un extendido conocimiento del territorio de mi pa?s, sus culturas, sus etnias abor?genes, su arqueolog?a,etc. Y mi coraz?n de periodista, que creo poder alimentar con un buen nivel cultural formado a pesar de no haber concluido la Universidad y, dicen generosamente mis colegas, instinto period?stico y talento para escribir y fotografiar. No tengo logros estridentes; curr?culum atractivo o nada que pueda respaldar mi sue?o. Pero tengo un sue?o. Y s? que a?n cuando usted no pueda ayudarme a alcanzarlo, podr? decirme siempre que luch? por ese sue?o con todas mis fuerzas. Abundar ser?a ofender su inteligencia y quisiera terminar esta carta con la pregunta torpe que me impuls? a escribirle: ?Si le escribo a Ted Turner para ver si un grande como ?l me da la oportunidad de probar que sirvo?. Es todo. Perd?n por mi sinceridad y que Dios est? siempre con usted. Nobel Clemar Passaglia Periodista / Reportero Gr?fico Director Mensuario EL NACIONAL Redactor y Reportero Gr?fico freelance Diario AMBITO FINANCIERO - Agencia Rosario -Santa Fe - Argentina Referente Gustavo Meneghello - Representante Av. 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It also appears to be taking up more than the full screen (it is cut off on the bottom, even when maximized) although I have my system set to 1024x768. I am running Win2K Pro -- any ideas? Noc. From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:34 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla Message-ID: <200110100736.f9A7aqA31964@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com> Date: Wednesday October 10, 2001 @ 2:36 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla In directory swashbuckler:/var/tmp/cvs-serv31961 Modified Files: ChangeLog PROJECTS README.releasing Log Message: PROJECTS update. release procedure update, struct.h documentation, remove ipc.h from some source files, fix some perror calls, fix xsg/redraw time.h **************************************** Index: Vanilla/ChangeLog diff -u Vanilla/ChangeLog:1.125 Vanilla/ChangeLog:1.126 --- Vanilla/ChangeLog:1.125 Mon Jun 4 17:06:28 2001 +++ Vanilla/ChangeLog Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 @@ -1,3 +1,8 @@ +Wed Oct 10 17:29:13 2001 James Cameron + + * xsg/redraw.c: added '#include ' to fix compilation + warnings on Debian woody/testing. + Tue Jun 5 08:55:33 2001 James Cameron * ntserv/daemonII.c: ignore observers for t-mode scum checking. @@ -1312,4 +1317,4 @@ update_sys_defaults in updateMessages to a more appropriate location - updateClient in socket.c. - $Id: ChangeLog,v 1.125 2001/06/04 22:06:28 cameron Exp $ + $Id: ChangeLog,v 1.126 2001/10/10 07:36:52 cameron Exp $ Index: Vanilla/PROJECTS diff -u Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.85 Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.86 --- Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.85 Thu Apr 26 19:45:18 2001 +++ Vanilla/PROJECTS Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 @@ -1,7 +1,20 @@ -$Id: PROJECTS,v 1.85 2001/04/27 00:45:18 cameron Exp $ +$Id: PROJECTS,v 1.86 2001/10/10 07:36:52 cameron Exp $ List of things to do in the future + + - web page interface to INL server, including privileged + functions such as starting, stopping, or restarting the + server, and non-privileged functions such as (a) + preconfiguring defaults for the next INL game, including + team names and game time, (b) list of recent games, latest + first, with team names and final scores, (c) delivery of + cambot recording within web browser, (d) feedback to server + god. [Cameron] + + - send player IPs to metaserver for statistics generation [Uram] + + - include server in spiffy download package [Nowakowski] - update t-mode messages, they are outdated. Index: Vanilla/README.releasing diff -u Vanilla/README.releasing:1.5 Vanilla/README.releasing:1.6 --- Vanilla/README.releasing:1.5 Mon Apr 23 05:08:16 2001 +++ Vanilla/README.releasing Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ -$Id: README.releasing,v 1.5 2001/04/23 10:08:16 cameron Exp $ +$Id: README.releasing,v 1.6 2001/10/10 07:36:52 cameron Exp $ Release Procedure @@ -86,3 +86,11 @@ # update version number in files # patchlevel.h, version.h, rpm/netrek.spec, rpm/tar2rpm, README.releasing + +# sourceforge.net upload procedure (brief, yet to be retested) +# - upload to ftp://upload.sourceforge.net/incoming/ +# - project files +# - add release for Vanilla +# - fill in form +# - select file from incoming +# Bob Tanner gets notified and builds RPMs From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Wed Oct 10 02:36:53 2001 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:34 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla/xsg Message-ID: <200110100736.f9A7arn31988@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com> Date: Wednesday October 10, 2001 @ 2:36 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla/xsg In directory swashbuckler:/var/tmp/cvs-serv31961/xsg Modified Files: redraw.c Log Message: PROJECTS update. release procedure update, struct.h documentation, remove ipc.h from some source files, fix some perror calls, fix xsg/redraw time.h **************************************** Index: Vanilla/xsg/redraw.c diff -u Vanilla/xsg/redraw.c:1.1 Vanilla/xsg/redraw.c:1.2 --- Vanilla/xsg/redraw.c:1.1 Wed Nov 11 20:44:55 1998 +++ Vanilla/xsg/redraw.c Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 @@ -6,6 +6,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include #include #include From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:34 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla/include Message-ID: <200110100736.f9A7aqm31971@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com> Date: Wednesday October 10, 2001 @ 2:36 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla/include In directory swashbuckler:/var/tmp/cvs-serv31961/include Modified Files: struct.h Log Message: PROJECTS update. release procedure update, struct.h documentation, remove ipc.h from some source files, fix some perror calls, fix xsg/redraw time.h **************************************** Index: Vanilla/include/struct.h diff -u Vanilla/include/struct.h:1.2 Vanilla/include/struct.h:1.3 --- Vanilla/include/struct.h:1.2 Thu May 10 18:19:46 2001 +++ Vanilla/include/struct.h Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 @@ -89,7 +89,7 @@ #define GU_INROBOT 16 /* INL robot is present */ #define GU_NEWBIE 32 -/* changed these so we can use and and or functions on them in future */ +/* values of p_status */ #define PFREE 0x0000 #define POUTFIT 0x0001 #define PALIVE 0x0002 @@ -100,7 +100,8 @@ #ifdef OBSERVERS #define POBSERV 0x0006 /* not really dead, but observer. */ #endif - + +/* bit masks of p_flags */ #define PFSHIELD 0x0001 #define PFREPAIR 0x0002 #define PFBOMB 0x0004 @@ -137,8 +138,8 @@ #if defined(BASEPRACTICE) || defined(NEWBIESERVER) #define PFBPROBOT 0x80000000 #endif - +/* values of p_whydead */ #define KLOGIN 0x00 /* initial state */ #define KQUIT 0x01 /* Player quit */ #define KTORP 0x02 /* killed by torp */ From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:34 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla/ntserv Message-ID: <200110100736.f9A7aq631976@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com> Date: Wednesday October 10, 2001 @ 2:36 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla/ntserv In directory swashbuckler:/var/tmp/cvs-serv31961/ntserv Modified Files: coup.c detonate.c enter.c getname.c getship.c orbit.c plasma.c socket.c Log Message: PROJECTS update. release procedure update, struct.h documentation, remove ipc.h from some source files, fix some perror calls, fix xsg/redraw time.h **************************************** Index: Vanilla/ntserv/coup.c diff -u Vanilla/ntserv/coup.c:1.2 Vanilla/ntserv/coup.c:1.3 --- Vanilla/ntserv/coup.c:1.2 Fri Apr 30 15:18:41 1999 +++ Vanilla/ntserv/coup.c Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 @@ -5,7 +5,6 @@ #include #include -#include #include "defs.h" #include "struct.h" #include "data.h" Index: Vanilla/ntserv/detonate.c diff -u Vanilla/ntserv/detonate.c:1.3 Vanilla/ntserv/detonate.c:1.4 --- Vanilla/ntserv/detonate.c:1.3 Sun Jul 11 23:41:11 1999 +++ Vanilla/ntserv/detonate.c Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 @@ -5,7 +5,6 @@ #include #include -#include #include "defs.h" #include "struct.h" #include "data.h" Index: Vanilla/ntserv/enter.c diff -u Vanilla/ntserv/enter.c:1.10 Vanilla/ntserv/enter.c:1.11 --- Vanilla/ntserv/enter.c:1.10 Fri Feb 2 03:17:52 2001 +++ Vanilla/ntserv/enter.c Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 @@ -7,7 +7,6 @@ #include #include #include -#include #include #include #include Index: Vanilla/ntserv/getname.c diff -u Vanilla/ntserv/getname.c:1.10 Vanilla/ntserv/getname.c:1.11 --- Vanilla/ntserv/getname.c:1.10 Thu Oct 26 05:06:14 2000 +++ Vanilla/ntserv/getname.c Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 @@ -13,7 +13,6 @@ #include #include #include -#include #include #include #include Index: Vanilla/ntserv/getship.c diff -u Vanilla/ntserv/getship.c:1.2 Vanilla/ntserv/getship.c:1.3 --- Vanilla/ntserv/getship.c:1.2 Fri Apr 30 15:18:44 1999 +++ Vanilla/ntserv/getship.c Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 @@ -5,7 +5,6 @@ #include #include -#include #include #include "defs.h" #include "struct.h" Index: Vanilla/ntserv/orbit.c diff -u Vanilla/ntserv/orbit.c:1.7 Vanilla/ntserv/orbit.c:1.8 --- Vanilla/ntserv/orbit.c:1.7 Fri Feb 2 03:17:53 2001 +++ Vanilla/ntserv/orbit.c Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 @@ -6,7 +6,6 @@ #include #include #include -#include #include "defs.h" #include "struct.h" #include "data.h" Index: Vanilla/ntserv/plasma.c diff -u Vanilla/ntserv/plasma.c:1.3 Vanilla/ntserv/plasma.c:1.4 --- Vanilla/ntserv/plasma.c:1.3 Sun Feb 20 19:40:20 2000 +++ Vanilla/ntserv/plasma.c Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 @@ -4,7 +4,6 @@ #include #include -#include #include "defs.h" #include "struct.h" #include "data.h" Index: Vanilla/ntserv/socket.c diff -u Vanilla/ntserv/socket.c:1.30 Vanilla/ntserv/socket.c:1.31 --- Vanilla/ntserv/socket.c:1.30 Fri Apr 27 20:37:25 2001 +++ Vanilla/ntserv/socket.c Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ -/* $Id: socket.c,v 1.30 2001/04/28 01:37:25 cameron Exp $ +/* $Id: socket.c,v 1.31 2001/10/10 07:36:52 cameron Exp $ */ /* @@ -1686,7 +1686,7 @@ } else if (errno==EINTR) { /* We got interrupted... Let's try it again. */ - perror("gwrite:"); + perror("gwrite"); errno = (-1); n = 0; } @@ -1696,7 +1696,7 @@ return (-1); } else { - perror("gwrite:"); + perror("gwrite"); return (-1); } if (fd == udpSock) { From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr Thu Oct 18 05:11:14 2001 From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:34 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package Message-ID: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Hello James and other. I'm working on a vanilla server package. However, i'm facing some problems, just joininig the list for example :-) Ok, now for the real problems: 1) is RSA stuff still needed ? from what i understood, res-rsa is a distinct software that once had some legal problems being exported in Europe. However, given sourceforge URL http://sourceforge.net/project/filelist.php?group_id=968 doesn't exist anymore, and latest file found on netrek.org date fr Hello James. I'm working on a vanilla server package. However, i'm facing some problems, first one being unable to join mailing list :-) from silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr [134.157.138.163] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mail.real-time.com.: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown And list page (https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list)is unreachable (timeout) Actually, it seems there is a problem with the whole subdomain us.netrek.org: my first mail to quozl@us.netrek.org bounced back Ok, now for the real problems: 1) is RSA stuff still needed ? from what i understood, res-rsa is a distinct software that once had some legal problems being exported in Europe. However, given sourceforge URL http://sourceforge.net/project/filelist.php?group_id=968 doesn't exist anymore, and latest file found on netrek.org date from 2000. Configure script find those utilities while i had not installed anything (configure says "checking res-rsa/configure... RSA utilities found", and config.log only says configure:2782: checking res-rsa/configure). I already have a rsa man page coming with openssl, so i have the impression it has since been merged into other project. Anyway, if it is separate software, i prefer to package it separatly, and make vanilla depends on it 2)0-sized png file in Vanilla/rpm -rw------- 1 guillaum guillaum 0 jui 26 1999 netrek.png I guess this is an icon suitable for the gui config tool, right ? Maybe it's also available somewhere else in the archive 3)and it doesn't compile :-( make[1]: Entre dans le r?pertoire `/home/guillaume/tmp/Vanilla-2.9pl7/xsg' gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c colors.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c dmessage.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c inform.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c input.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c main.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c modify.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c newwin.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c option.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c planetlist.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c planets.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c playerlist.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c redraw.c redraw.c: In function `run_clock': redraw.c:874: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast redraw.c:875: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type redraw.c:877: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type redraw.c:879: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type make[1]: *** [redraw.o] Erreur 1 make[1]: Quitte le r?pertoire `/home/guillaume/tmp/Vanilla-2.9pl7/xsg' make: *** [do_xsg] Erreur 2 I use the "infamous' gcc-2.9.6, maybe it could be a reason ?om 2000. Configure script find those utilities while i had not installed anything (configure says "checking res-rsa/configure... RSA utilities found", and config.log only says configure:2782: checking res-rsa/configure). I already have a rsa man page coming with openssl, so i have the impression it has since been merged into other project. Anyway, if it is separate software, i prefer to package it separatly, and make vanilla depends on it 2)0-sized png file in Vanilla/rpm -rw------- 1 guillaum guillaum 0 jui 26 1999 netrek.png I guess this is an icon suitable for the gui config tool, right ? Maybe it's also available somewhere else in the archive 3)and it doesn't compile :-( make[1]: Entre dans le r?pertoire `/home/guillaume/tmp/Vanilla-2.9pl7/xsg' gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c colors.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c dmessage.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c inform.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c input.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c main.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c modify.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c newwin.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c option.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c planetlist.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c planets.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c playerlist.c gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c redraw.c redraw.c: In function `run_clock': redraw.c:874: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast redraw.c:875: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type redraw.c:877: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type redraw.c:879: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type make[1]: *** [redraw.o] Erreur 1 make[1]: Quitte le r?pertoire `/home/guillaume/tmp/Vanilla-2.9pl7/xsg' make: *** [do_xsg] Erreur 2 I use the "infamous' gcc-2.9.6, maybe it could be a reason ? -- Guillaume Rousse GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html From ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu Thu Oct 18 11:39:37 2001 From: ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:34 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr>; from rousse@ccr.jussieu.fr on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:11:14PM +0200 References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: <20011018123937.A119580@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> Hi, You probably joined the wrong list. This vanilla-devel list is for CVS logs and administrative stuff. You're welcome to stay on this list, but you probably really wanted to join vanilla-list which is the main forum for help and discussions. > And list page (https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list)is > unreachable (timeout) > > Actually, it seems there is a problem with the whole subdomain us.netrek.org: > my first mail to quozl@us.netrek.org bounced back I believe this was fixed yesterday. It might help to know what plaform you are building on. But to answer your questions... > 1) is RSA stuff still needed ? For public servers, yes RSA is highly recommended. If you don't include it, then people can cheat on your server by using unauthorized clients. RES-RSA is a different package from OpenSSL and is specific to netrek. To have RSA support, you need it. If you drop it into Vanilla/res-rsa, then it will automatically configure it. It appears that SourceForge moved their web page URL's around. You can get it from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=968 ftp://ftp.netrek.org/pub/netrek/ There are no restriction on exporting it to Europe. You cannot package RES-RSA separately from Vanilla. This is because the entire source has to be rebuilt if RSA is enabled. At best you can create two versions of Vanilla, one with RSA support one without. But they have to be self-sufficient. > 2)0-sized png file in Vanilla/rpm Not sure about this one. Probably not important. > 3)and it doesn't compile :-( > make[1]: Entre dans le r?pertoire `/home/guillaume/tmp/Vanilla-2.9pl7/xsg' > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c colors.c > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c dmessage.c > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c inform.c > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c input.c > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c main.c > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c modify.c > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c newwin.c > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c option.c > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c planetlist.c > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c planets.c > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c playerlist.c > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c redraw.c > redraw.c: In function `run_clock': > redraw.c:874: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast > redraw.c:875: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > redraw.c:877: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > redraw.c:879: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > make[1]: *** [redraw.o] Erreur 1 > make[1]: Quitte le r?pertoire `/home/guillaume/tmp/Vanilla-2.9pl7/xsg' > make: *** [do_xsg] Erreur 2 Most likely you are missing a system header file. Might want to track down where it is on your OS and include it at the top. If you submit a patch, after it builds, we can put it into the main source tree. Dave -- Dave Ahn | ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu | Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Try to live your life so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry. -1/2 jj^2 From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr Thu Oct 18 13:57:19 2001 From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <20011018123937.A119580@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011018123937.A119580@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> Message-ID: <20011018185720.1A1F040B@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Ainsi parlait Dave Ahn : > Hi, > > You probably joined the wrong list. This vanilla-devel list is for CVS > logs and administrative stuff. You're welcome to stay on this list, but > you probably really wanted to join vanilla-list which is the main forum for > help and discussions. The name was confusing me (usually, packaging problems are more related to developement). I'll continue this thread on vanilla list. -- Guillaume Rousse GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html From quozl at us.netrek.org Thu Oct 18 18:30:30 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <20011018123937.A119580@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>; from ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:39:37PM -0400 References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011018123937.A119580@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> Message-ID: <20011019093030.G22569@us.netrek.org> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:39:37PM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote: > > 2)0-sized png file in Vanilla/rpm > Not sure about this one. Probably not important. I agree. > > 3)and it doesn't compile :-( > > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c redraw.c > > redraw.c: In function `run_clock': > > redraw.c:874: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast > > redraw.c:875: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > redraw.c:877: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > redraw.c:879: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > make[1]: *** [redraw.o] Erreur 1 > > make[1]: Quitte le r?pertoire `/home/guillaume/tmp/Vanilla-2.9pl7/xsg' > > make: *** [do_xsg] Erreur 2 Wed Oct 10 17:29:13 2001 James Cameron * xsg/redraw.c: added '#include ' to fix compilation warnings on Debian woody/testing. diff -u redraw.c.~1.1~ redraw.c --- redraw.c.~1.1~ Fri Oct 19 09:19:13 2001 +++ redraw.c Wed Oct 10 17:26:07 2001 @@ -6,6 +6,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include #include #include -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Tue Oct 23 17:41:09 2001 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla Message-ID: <200110232241.f9NMf9O09147@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com> Date: Tuesday October 23, 2001 @ 17:41 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla In directory swashbuckler:/var/tmp/cvs-serv9144 Modified Files: PROJECTS Log Message: **************************************** Index: Vanilla/PROJECTS diff -u Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.86 Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.87 --- Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.86 Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 +++ Vanilla/PROJECTS Tue Oct 23 17:41:09 2001 @@ -1,7 +1,9 @@ -$Id: PROJECTS,v 1.86 2001/10/10 07:36:52 cameron Exp $ +$Id: PROJECTS,v 1.87 2001/10/23 22:41:09 cameron Exp $ List of things to do in the future + + - implement automake - web page interface to INL server, including privileged functions such as starting, stopping, or restarting the From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Tue Oct 23 17:45:19 2001 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla Message-ID: <200110232245.f9NMjJw09155@swashbuckler.fortress.real-time.com> Date: Tuesday October 23, 2001 @ 17:45 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla In directory swashbuckler:/var/tmp/cvs-serv9152 Modified Files: PROJECTS Log Message: **************************************** Index: Vanilla/PROJECTS diff -u Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.87 Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.88 --- Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.87 Tue Oct 23 17:41:09 2001 +++ Vanilla/PROJECTS Tue Oct 23 17:45:19 2001 @@ -1,9 +1,15 @@ -$Id: PROJECTS,v 1.87 2001/10/23 22:41:09 cameron Exp $ +$Id: PROJECTS,v 1.88 2001/10/23 22:45:19 cameron Exp $ List of things to do in the future - implement automake + + - implement proper configure --prefix usage, so that we install + in %{prefix}/games/netrek not in %{prefix} + + - implement configure's other path options, so that read-write + data will be in %{prefix}/var/somewhere - web page interface to INL server, including privileged functions such as starting, stopping, or restarting the From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 25 12:43:39 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] Leaving SourceForge? Message-ID: <20011025124339.M26774@real-time.com> http://www.advogato.org/article/357.html It looks like VA is on the rocks and the above url questions if SF will be around much longer. I have not been as active in netrek as I use to, times are tough and I'm having to work billiable hours instead of playing netrek all day :-) As always, resources here at Real Time are available to the netrek community if the decision to leave SF is necessary. As an aside, Nate another tech here has gotten SF running//working on a debian box based on some project that is happening in the debian world, so we could do a mini(?) SF on orion? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Thu Oct 25 13:17:06 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] Leaving SourceForge? In-Reply-To: <20011025124339.M26774@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > It looks like VA is on the rocks and the above url questions if SF will be > around much longer. Oh no :( > I have not been as active in netrek as I use to, times are tough and I'm having > to work billiable hours instead of playing netrek all day :-) haha! > As always, resources here at Real Time are available to the netrek community if > the decision to leave SF is necessary. Cool! lets hope Real Time don't go away!! :) > As an aside, Nate another tech here has gotten SF running//working on a debian > box based on some project that is happening in the debian world, so we could do > a mini(?) SF on orion? I run Debian (woody) at home. DEBIAN KICKS ASS! Can someone please package Vanilla for debian? zu22@andrew.cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu Thu Oct 25 15:15:11 2001 From: ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] Leaving SourceForge? In-Reply-To: <20011025124339.M26774@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 12:43:39PM -0500 References: <20011025124339.M26774@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011025161511.A127803@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 12:43:39PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > http://www.advogato.org/article/357.html > > It looks like VA is on the rocks and the above url questions if SF will be > around much longer. I've been slowly weening off of SF (one of the reasons for putting up orion) for a while now. They ousted some WWW and FTP capabilities, so I haven't been using them for those resources much anyway. I do use their CVS stuff extensively, but I could just migrate that over to cvs.us.netrek.org or orion without any problems. > As always, resources here at Real Time are available to the netrek > community if the decision to leave SF is necessary. I don't think SF really impacts us much aside from visibility. I think the current support from you/Real Time and from Karthik have been excellent. > As an aside, Nate another tech here has gotten SF running//working on a debian > box based on some project that is happening in the debian world, so we could do > a mini(?) SF on orion? I think we discussed this before and agreed that it was overkill, but we could revisit this. James, any thoughts? -- Dave Ahn | ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu | Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Try to live your life so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry. -1/2 jj^2 From quozl at us.netrek.org Thu Oct 25 17:41:35 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] Leaving SourceForge? In-Reply-To: <20011025124339.M26774@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 12:43:39PM -0500 References: <20011025124339.M26774@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011026084135.K22569@us.netrek.org> G'day, I'm not opposed to leaving SF if it starts to look dangerous to be there. We should have backups of everything there anyway, and Real Time is the obvious place to have these backups. Dave can you confirm we are not exposed to a sudden loss of SF? I have quite a bit of respect for Nate, from reviewing the rte-outage postings and seeing the problem resolution logic employed. ;-) So if he(?) was available to help us with a SF instance, that would be good. I must admit I haven't really taken to SF for the Vanilla project, probably because CVS has been working so well (well done Real Time), and as a coder the files in the tree mean more than bug reporting systems, discussion forums, and so on. The project is in maintenance mode anyway. For your interest, Compaq only just shut down their SF instance, and migrated all their projects to the real SF. I'm the release engineer for the pptp-client project, apparently. This happened a month or two ago. Dave, so my thoughts on setting up a SF instance ... do it if we need to because then it won't be overkill any more. A revisit of old decision. Zach, I had a go at packaging Vanilla for Debian, but I kept bumping into too many hurdles. I did fix a few things in CVS that will help the next person who tries. Let's ask the Debian community to do it? Overall, I think I should be concentrating on making the client easier to install and use. http://www.jordanr.dhs.org/isinfo.htm might be the Windows installer I shall use as a first try. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu Thu Oct 25 18:28:58 2001 From: ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] Leaving SourceForge? In-Reply-To: <20011026084135.K22569@us.netrek.org>; from quozl@us.netrek.org on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 08:41:35AM +1000 References: <20011025124339.M26774@real-time.com> <20011026084135.K22569@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20011025192858.A127773@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 08:41:35AM +1000, James Cameron wrote: > > I'm not opposed to leaving SF if it starts to look dangerous to be > there. We should have backups of everything there anyway, and > Real Time is the obvious place to have these backups. Dave can you > confirm we are not exposed to a sudden loss of SF? We are at this point, but I will go through everything and do a full backup to orion of all our data there. > Dave, so my thoughts on setting up a SF instance ... do it if we need to > because then it won't be overkill any more. A revisit of old decision. What does SF give us that we don't already have? Patch submission, support requests and bug tracking. Everything else is accounted for. If none of the above are important, I suggest not messing with SF. We can change our minds again if netrek undergoes a revival and we suddenly have too many developers that we can't coordiate... > Overall, I think I should be concentrating on making the client easier > to install and use. http://www.jordanr.dhs.org/isinfo.htm might be the > Windows installer I shall use as a first try. I agree. -- Dave Ahn | ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu | Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Try to live your life so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry. -1/2 jj^2 From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Thu Oct 25 20:29:23 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] Leaving SourceForge? In-Reply-To: <20011026084135.K22569@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, James Cameron wrote: > Zach, I had a go at packaging Vanilla for Debian, but I kept bumping > into too many hurdles. I did fix a few things in CVS that will help the > next person who tries. Let's ask the Debian community to do it? G'day mate. Oi! So how do we go about doing this? Zach zu22@andrew.cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From quozl at us.netrek.org Thu Oct 25 22:11:39 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] Leaving SourceForge? In-Reply-To: ; from zu22@andrew.cmu.edu on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 09:29:23PM -0400 References: <20011026084135.K22569@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20011026131139.N22569@us.netrek.org> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 09:29:23PM -0400, Zachary Uram wrote: > On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, James Cameron wrote: > > Let's ask the Debian community to do it? > So how do we go about doing this? How to subvert any community to your will ... join them, help them, learn what they do, share what you want, get on with it. Join the #debian channel on IRC, server irc.openprojects.net, say you want to make a package available, ask how to do it, follow up all leads. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Sat Oct 27 02:52:17 2001 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla Message-ID: <200110270752.f9R7qHA01682@swashbuckler.real-time.com> Date: Saturday October 27, 2001 @ 2:52 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla In directory swashbuckler.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv1679 Modified Files: PROJECTS Log Message: mandrake packaging notes **************************************** Index: Vanilla/PROJECTS diff -u Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.88 Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.89 --- Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.88 Tue Oct 23 17:45:19 2001 +++ Vanilla/PROJECTS Sat Oct 27 02:52:17 2001 @@ -1,7 +1,13 @@ -$Id: PROJECTS,v 1.88 2001/10/23 22:45:19 cameron Exp $ +$Id: PROJECTS,v 1.89 2001/10/27 07:52:17 cameron Exp $ List of things to do in the future + + - configure checks for gmp more than once, it should check only + once. Perhaps it is configure for res-rsa duplicating effort? + + - make in keycomp/ (and others) use object modules from ntserv, + and so a parallel make fails on a multi-processor box. - implement automake From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Mon Oct 29 15:43:06 2001 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla Message-ID: <200110292143.f9TLh6S03805@swashbuckler.real-time.com> Date: Monday October 29, 2001 @ 15:43 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla In directory swashbuckler.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv3802 Modified Files: PROJECTS Log Message: **************************************** Index: Vanilla/PROJECTS diff -u Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.89 Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.90 --- Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.89 Sat Oct 27 02:52:17 2001 +++ Vanilla/PROJECTS Mon Oct 29 15:43:06 2001 @@ -1,7 +1,10 @@ -$Id: PROJECTS,v 1.89 2001/10/27 07:52:17 cameron Exp $ +$Id: PROJECTS,v 1.90 2001/10/29 21:43:06 cameron Exp $ List of things to do in the future + + - method for starbase to disable transwarp but leave docking + enabled. Dave Ahn to implement. - configure checks for gmp more than once, it should check only once. Perhaps it is configure for res-rsa duplicating effort? From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Oct 29 18:14:52 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] seeking task(s)! In-Reply-To: <20011030084545.A26196@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: Can someone please assign me a relatively trivial task to do? Keep in mind: a) this is my first experience with Vanilla src tree b) i do not have expert C programming skills yet c) explicit instructions to get me started are very good :) With that caveat I am eager to assist in the Vanilla src in some ways. Zach zu22@andrew.cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From quozl at us.netrek.org Mon Oct 29 20:49:00 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] Re: seeking task(s)! In-Reply-To: ; from zu22@andrew.cmu.edu on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 07:14:52PM -0500 References: <20011030084545.A26196@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20011030134900.D26196@us.netrek.org> On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 07:14:52PM -0500, Zachary Uram wrote: > Can someone please assign me a relatively trivial task to do? From eroticawww at wowmail.com Tue Oct 9 18:55:27 2001 From: eroticawww at wowmail.com (EROTICAWWW) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:34 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] SEXWEB NO.1 .. MEGAWEB-SEX ! Message-ID: <200110092258.f99MwAJ28468@sprite.real-time.com> Dear Ladies & Gentlemen, Welcome to the GREATEST SEX SHOW on the ENTIRE NET ! We now offer you to ENTER the Worldīs No.1 voted SEX-SERVER on the WEB ! By far the largest and most incredible content of LIVE SEX is now served to users WORLDWIDE! EVERYTHING is offered 100% ANONOMOUSLY & you donīt need to sign-up or have a creditcard ... The way it should be ! 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You're welcome to stay on this list, but > you probably really wanted to join vanilla-list which is the main forum for > help and discussions. Done :-) > It might help to know what plaform you are building on. But to answer your > questions... Oops, sorry to have forgotten to present myself. Someone forwarded James call for packaging help (http://lwn.net/2001/1011/letters.php3) on mandrake linux contributers mailing-list, and i proposed to help. So i'm running mandrake cooker (the experimental distribution). > > 1) is RSA stuff still needed ? > > For public servers, yes RSA is highly recommended. If you don't include > it, then people can cheat on your server by using unauthorized clients. > RES-RSA is a different package from OpenSSL and is specific to netrek. To > have RSA support, you need it. If you drop it into Vanilla/res-rsa, then > it will automatically configure it. It appears that SourceForge moved > their web page URL's around. You can get it from > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=968 > ftp://ftp.netrek.org/pub/netrek/ > > There are no restriction on exporting it to Europe. > > You cannot package RES-RSA separately from Vanilla. This is because the > entire source has to be rebuilt if RSA is enabled. At best you can create > two versions of Vanilla, one with RSA support one without. But they have > to be self-sufficient. RES-RSA can be built and installed separatly, right ? So if i make Vanilla package requires it for building, where is the problem ? > > 2)0-sized png file in Vanilla/rpm > > Not sure about this one. Probably not important. Sure. Just tell me wich other image i should use for nice menu entry. > > 3)and it doesn't compile :-( > > make[1]: Entre dans le r?pertoire > > `/home/guillaume/tmp/Vanilla-2.9pl7/xsg' gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA > > -I/usr/X11R6/include -c colors.c > > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c dmessage.c > > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c inform.c > > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c input.c > > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c main.c > > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c modify.c > > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c newwin.c > > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c option.c > > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c planetlist.c > > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c planets.c > > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c playerlist.c > > gcc -I../ntserv -DRSA -I/usr/X11R6/include -c redraw.c > > redraw.c: In function `run_clock': > > redraw.c:874: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a > > cast redraw.c:875: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > redraw.c:877: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > redraw.c:879: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > > make[1]: *** [redraw.o] Erreur 1 > > make[1]: Quitte le r?pertoire `/home/guillaume/tmp/Vanilla-2.9pl7/xsg' > > make: *** [do_xsg] Erreur 2 > > Most likely you are missing a system header file. Might want to track down > where it is on your OS and include it at the top. If you submit a patch, > after it builds, we can put it into the main source tree. [guillaume@silbermann Vanilla-2.9pl7]$ cat xsg/redraw.c | grep include #include "copyright.h" #include #include #include #include #include #include #include "Wlib.h" #include "defs.h" #include "xsg_defs.h" #include "struct.h" #include "localdata.h" All system headers are present, so i would rather think to a version conflict. I use glibc-2.2.4: [guillaume@silbermann Vanilla-2.9pl7]$ rpm -qa | grep glibc glibc-devel-2.2.4-8mdk glibc-2.2.4-8mdk -- Guillaume Rousse GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html From quozl at us.netrek.org Thu Oct 18 17:38:46 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:34 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] I'm back Message-ID: <20011019083846.E22569@us.netrek.org> Shortly after LWN published my letter, all mail to quozl@us.netrek.org ceased, and has apparently been dropped, but the problem is now fixed. I'll try to recover from the list archives. The compile problem on redraw.c was fixed in CVS a week or so ago. It only happens on modern instances of the toolchain. Mandrake Cooker certainly qualifies for that. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu Thu Oct 18 19:00:51 2001 From: ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:34 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <20011018192232.83FFA472E@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr>; from rousse@ccr.jussieu.fr on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:22:32PM +0200 References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011018123937.A119580@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <20011018192232.83FFA472E@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: <20011018200051.B119798@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:22:32PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Oops, sorry to have forgotten to present myself. Someone forwarded James call > for packaging help (http://lwn.net/2001/1011/letters.php3) on mandrake linux > contributers mailing-list, and i proposed to help. So i'm running mandrake > cooker (the experimental distribution). James, you really need to post these publicity stuff as an FYI to vanilla-list. I would have missed it altogether! > RES-RSA can be built and installed separatly, right ? So if i make Vanilla > package requires it for building, where is the problem ? Well, RES-RSA doesn't produce any installable runtimes. You could bulid a dev package that contains it, however. > > > 2)0-sized png file in Vanilla/rpm > > > > Not sure about this one. Probably not important. > Sure. > Just tell me wich other image i should use for nice menu entry. I don't think we have anything really useful. You're welcome to take any graphic from the home page (snapshots, etc), slice it down and use those. One of the ship bitmaps might be nice. There is a library of decent snapshots at: http://www.netrek.org/images/random/ > > Most likely you are missing a system header file. Might want to track down > > where it is on your OS and include it at the top. If you submit a patch, > > after it builds, we can put it into the main source tree. > [guillaume@silbermann Vanilla-2.9pl7]$ cat xsg/redraw.c | grep include > #include "copyright.h" > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include "Wlib.h" > #include "defs.h" > #include "xsg_defs.h" > #include "struct.h" > #include "localdata.h" > All system headers are present, so i would rather think to a version > conflict. I use glibc-2.2.4: > [guillaume@silbermann Vanilla-2.9pl7]$ rpm -qa | grep glibc > glibc-devel-2.2.4-8mdk > glibc-2.2.4-8mdk No, it's definitely a system header file. It looks like "struct tm" is not being defined. Try adding "#include " before the line "#include " -- Dave Ahn | ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu | Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Try to live your life so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry. -1/2 jj^2 From quozl at us.netrek.org Thu Oct 18 20:22:54 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:34 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <20011018200051.B119798@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>; from ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 08:00:51PM -0400 References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011018123937.A119580@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <20011018192232.83FFA472E@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011018200051.B119798@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> Message-ID: <20011019112254.I22569@us.netrek.org> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 08:00:51PM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote: > James, you really need to post these publicity stuff as an FYI to > vanilla-list. I would have missed it altogether! Sorry. ;-) It was a rush job, a 'letters to the editor', and it was included by LWN at the last moment, then my mail conked out. I did mention it on IRC. ;-} -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr Sat Oct 20 10:24:45 2001 From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:34 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <20011018200051.B119798@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011018192232.83FFA472E@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011018200051.B119798@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> Message-ID: <20011020152445.E6EA94B20@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Ainsi parlait Dave Ahn : [..] > > RES-RSA can be built and installed separatly, right ? So if i make > > Vanilla package requires it for building, where is the problem ? > > Well, RES-RSA doesn't produce any installable runtimes. You could bulid > a dev package that contains it, however. I tought it was an independant project, but it seems actually to be a netrek-dependant one. I guess it is used by several netrek client/servers, right ? Howevern Vanilla-2.9p17 archive already ships everyting from res-rsa-2.9.2 one, with even one more source file rsa-server.c. So, what's the use of the additional archive ? [..] > > Just tell me wich other image i should use for nice menu entry. > > I don't think we have anything really useful. You're welcome to take any > graphic from the home page (snapshots, etc), slice it down and use those. > One of the ship bitmaps might be nice. There is a library of decent > snapshots at: http://www.netrek.org/images/random/ As it concerns only the config utility, i used gum.xpm found in the tarball. However, once reduced to 32x32 pixels, it's not really readable :-) [..] > No, it's definitely a system header file. It looks like "struct tm" is > not being defined. Try adding "#include " before the line > "#include " Ok, fixed. Now with the new problems... Vanilla use standard autoconf/automake, however: 1) installation fails: Neither %configure rpm macros (which get expanded to make \ prefix=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr \ exec_prefix=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr \ bindir=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/bin \ sbindir=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/sbin \ sysconfdir=/$RPM_BUILD_ROOTetc \ datadir=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/share \ includedir=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/include \ libdir=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib \ libexecdir=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib \ localstatedir=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/var/lib \ sharedstatedir=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/com \ mandir=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/share/man \ infodir=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/share/info \ install ), nor make install destdir=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT were sucessful to install in $RPM_BUILD_ROOT fake filesystem root :-( Seems i'll had to install everything by hand. 2) compilation flags fails %configure macro result in the following output + CFLAGS=-O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=i586 -ffast-math -fno-strength-reduce + export CFLAGS + CXXFLAGS=-O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=i586 -ffast-math -fno-strength-reduce + export CXXFLAGS + FFLAGS=-O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=i586 -ffast-math -fno-strength-reduce + export FFLAGS + '[' -f configure.in ']' + libtoolize --copy --force Remember to add `AC_PROG_LIBTOOL' to `configure.in'. You should add the contents of `/usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4' to `aclocal.m4'. + ./configure i586-mandrake-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --sysconfdir=/etc --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --libdir=/usr/lib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --localstatedir=/var/lib --sharedstatedir=/usr/com --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info However, everything is compiled thereafter without any optimisation flag: gcc -g -I../ntserv -DRSA -I.. -c -o cluecheck.o cluecheck.c Finaly, i'm a bit confused about the config utility name. It seems to be gum, so why symlink it as netrekcfg, and ships it in a config package ? -- Guillaume Rousse GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html From 007 at freemail.at Sat Oct 20 12:13:25 2001 From: 007 at freemail.at (Kurt Siegl) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:34 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <20011020152445.E6EA94B20@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011018200051.B119798@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <20011020152445.E6EA94B20@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: <200110201706.TAA32385@twink.siegl.priv.at> On Saturday 20 October 2001 17:24, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > > RES-RSA can be built and installed separatly, right ? So if i make > > > Vanilla package requires it for building, where is the problem ? > > > > Well, RES-RSA doesn't produce any installable runtimes. You could bulid > > a dev package that contains it, however. > > I tought it was an independant project, but it seems actually to be a > netrek-dependant one. I guess it is used by several netrek client/servers, > right ? > Howevern Vanilla-2.9p17 archive already ships everyting from res-rsa-2.9.2 > one, with even one more source file rsa-server.c. So, what's the use of the > additional archive ? The only reason are stupid US laws, nothing else. BTW: Cryptography is illegal in France at all, so if you use it you have to be aware of the fact that you are acting against your even more stupid laws ;-) Kurt (007) -- Kurt Siegl / Franzberg 4, A-4483 Hargelsberg, Austria Email: Kurt.Siegl@freemail.at Tel (ISDN): *(7225)7017 URL: http://members.aon.at/presents/siegl/kurt/ From ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu Sun Oct 21 15:16:33 2001 From: ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:34 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <20011020152445.E6EA94B20@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr>; from rousse@ccr.jussieu.fr on Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 05:24:45PM +0200 References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011018192232.83FFA472E@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011018200051.B119798@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <20011020152445.E6EA94B20@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: <20011021161633.A122834@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 05:24:45PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > Well, RES-RSA doesn't produce any installable runtimes. You could bulid > > a dev package that contains it, however. > I tought it was an independant project, but it seems actually to be a > netrek-dependant one. I guess it is used by several netrek client/servers, > right ? It's a related project, but it's separate because of crypto issues. > Howevern Vanilla-2.9p17 archive already ships everyting from res-rsa-2.9.2 > one, with even one more source file rsa-server.c. So, what's the use of the > additional archive ? James, are you bundling RES-RSA with Vanilla? > Now with the new problems... Vanilla use standard autoconf/automake, While Vanilla does use autoconf, I'm not sure how many of the specific directory overrides it accepts. Perhaps James could comment. -- Dave Ahn | ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu | Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Try to live your life so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry. -1/2 jj^2 From ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu Sun Oct 21 15:20:15 2001 From: ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:34 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <200110201706.TAA32385@twink.siegl.priv.at>; from 007@freemail.at on Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 07:13:25PM +0200 References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011018200051.B119798@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <20011020152445.E6EA94B20@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <200110201706.TAA32385@twink.siegl.priv.at> Message-ID: <20011021162015.B122834@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 07:13:25PM +0200, Kurt Siegl wrote: > > Howevern Vanilla-2.9p17 archive already ships everyting from res-rsa-2.9.2 > > one, with even one more source file rsa-server.c. So, what's the use of the > > additional archive ? > > The only reason are stupid US laws, nothing else. The laws were changed, so RES-RSA is exportable now. I think James and I decided to keep the packaging separate because Vanilla gets released more often than RES-RSA. While RES-RSA is exportable, I still have to contact the BXA if I do any new releases. No need to burden Vanilla releases with this sort of thing. -- Dave Ahn | ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu | Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Try to live your life so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry. -1/2 jj^2 From quozl at us.netrek.org Sun Oct 21 18:04:01 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:34 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <20011021161633.A122834@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>; from ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu on Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 04:16:33PM -0400 References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011018192232.83FFA472E@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011018200051.B119798@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <20011020152445.E6EA94B20@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011021161633.A122834@cecum.vec.wfub Message-ID: <20011022090401.M22569@us.netrek.org> On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 04:16:33PM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote: > James, are you bundling RES-RSA with Vanilla? It appears so. I just noticed. The 2.9pl7.tar.gz has res-rsa files. See after signature for the list. Do you still need to tell 'em when it was imported from Australia first? ;-) This is because of 'make dist'. To avoid packing RES-RSA with Vanilla, we'll need to either complicate the 'make dist' sequence, or make RES-RSA unpack to a location other than the Vanilla tree. What do you think? > > Now with the new problems... Vanilla use standard autoconf/automake, > While Vanilla does use autoconf, I'm not sure how many of the specific > directory overrides it accepts. Perhaps James could comment. --prefix is the only override we've used. While I have seen that most distributions want to split files into different directories, the code in the Netrek Server presumes just one directory will be used; LIBDIR, from --prefix. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ $ tar tfz Vanilla-2.9pl7.tar.gz|grep rsa Vanilla-2.9pl7/keycomp/rsa_key2cap.c Vanilla-2.9pl7/keycomp/rsa_keycomp.c Vanilla-2.9pl7/ntserv/rsa_key.c Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/ Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/INSTALL Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/rsa-server.c Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/LICENSE.US Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/Makefile.in Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/README Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/README.US Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/README.mkkey Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/config.h.in Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/configure Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/configure.in Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/mkkey.c Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/random.c Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/rsa.h Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/rsa_encode.c Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/rsa_encode_dummy.c Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/rsa_encode_gmp.c Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/rsa_gmp.c Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/rsa_gmp.h Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/rsa_math.c Vanilla-2.9pl7/res-rsa/rsa_math.h From quozl at us.netrek.org Sun Oct 21 20:28:36 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <20011020152445.E6EA94B20@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr>; from rousse@ccr.jussieu.fr on Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 05:24:45PM +0200 References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011018192232.83FFA472E@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011018200051.B119798@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <20011020152445.E6EA94B20@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: <20011022112836.N22569@us.netrek.org> On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 05:24:45PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > As it concerns only the config utility, i used gum.xpm found in the tarball. > However, once reduced to 32x32 pixels, it's not really readable :-) I agree, it needs another one. We don't have one chosen. Have you any ideas? > However, everything is compiled thereafter without any optimisation flag: > gcc -g -I../ntserv -DRSA -I.. -c -o cluecheck.o cluecheck.c Shows our Makefile are dumb. If you can fix them, we will fix our CVS. > Finaly, i'm a bit confused about the config utility name. It seems to be gum, > so why symlink it as netrekcfg, and ships it in a config package ? Nobody understood why it was called gum, so we made an alias. Hardly anybody who knows how to run a Netrek server wants a GUI to do it, so it is optional in a config package. If you think it should be in the main package, then move it there. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr Mon Oct 22 07:37:13 2001 From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <20011022090401.M22569@us.netrek.org> References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011021161633.A122834@cecum.vec.wfub <20011022090401.M22569@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20011022123713.BEB834B65@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Ainsi parlait James Cameron : > On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 04:16:33PM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote: > > James, are you bundling RES-RSA with Vanilla? > > It appears so. I just noticed. The 2.9pl7.tar.gz has res-rsa files. > See after signature for the list. Do you still need to tell 'em when > it was imported from Australia first? ;-) > > This is because of 'make dist'. To avoid packing RES-RSA with Vanilla, > we'll need to either complicate the 'make dist' sequence, or make > RES-RSA unpack to a location other than the Vanilla tree. What do you > think? Me ? I don't care, as i can use any number of source archive in the rpm, and unpack them where i want before build. But to make package evolution easier, i would like to know now what system future vanilla release will use (res-rsa included or in distinct archive). > > > Now with the new problems... Vanilla use standard autoconf/automake, > > > > While Vanilla does use autoconf, I'm not sure how many of the specific > > directory overrides it accepts. Perhaps James could comment. > > --prefix is the only override we've used. > > While I have seen that most distributions want to split files into > different directories, the code in the Netrek Server presumes just one > directory will be used; LIBDIR, from --prefix. Most distributions try to comply with FHS, which make precise assumption to where files should go: - read-only data in /usr/share/ - read-write data in /var/lib/ - normal binaries in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin - games binaries in /usr/games - etc... As it seems i'll have to make installation manually, there is no problem putting files into place. I just hope they will run with such configuration... -- Guillaume Rousse GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr Mon Oct 22 07:41:27 2001 From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <20011022112836.N22569@us.netrek.org> References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011020152445.E6EA94B20@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011022112836.N22569@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20011022124127.4EDA14B65@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Ainsi parlait James Cameron : > On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 05:24:45PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > As it concerns only the config utility, i used gum.xpm found in the > > tarball. However, once reduced to 32x32 pixels, it's not really readable > > :-) > > I agree, it needs another one. > We don't have one chosen. Have you any ideas? Maybe the original author could reproduce it and keep only the netrek logo ? I need it into 48x48, 32x32 and 16x16 format. Just send me the largest one. > > However, everything is compiled thereafter without any optimisation flag: > > gcc -g -I../ntserv -DRSA -I.. -c -o cluecheck.o cluecheck.c > > Shows our Makefile are dumb. > If you can fix them, we will fix our CVS. Arghh ! I'm a packager, not an autoconf/automake pro :-( I'll try to have a look, but don't count too much on me for this. > > Finaly, i'm a bit confused about the config utility name. It seems to be > > gum, so why symlink it as netrekcfg, and ships it in a config package ? > > Nobody understood why it was called gum, so we made an alias. Hardly > anybody who knows how to run a Netrek server wants a GUI to do it, so it > is optional in a config package. If you think it should be in the main > package, then move it there. No, an additional package is ok. Just have to find which name to use :-) -- Guillaume Rousse GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html From ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu Mon Oct 22 10:39:28 2001 From: ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <20011022090401.M22569@us.netrek.org>; from quozl@us.netrek.org on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:04:01AM +1000 References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011018192232.83FFA472E@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011018200051.B119798@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <20011020152445.E6EA94B20@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011021161633.A122834@cecum.vec.wfub <20011021161633.A122834@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <20011022090401.M22569@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20011022113928.A123631@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:04:01AM +1000, James Cameron wrote: > On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 04:16:33PM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote: > > James, are you bundling RES-RSA with Vanilla? > > It appears so. I just noticed. The 2.9pl7.tar.gz has res-rsa files. > See after signature for the list. Do you still need to tell 'em when > it was imported from Australia first? ;-) If the first documented release is in Australia, and I just mirror an archive, then I don't need to do anything. But ftp.netrek.org is the primary distribution site, so I need to let BXA know. It's not a problem. I have a template I use, so I'll notify BXA before each Vanilla release I put on the ftp site. You should probably add a notice to each Vanilla release announcement with something like "This package contains cryptoghic software. Please be aware of the laws governing your country regarding the use of crytography." > This is because of 'make dist'. To avoid packing RES-RSA with Vanilla, > we'll need to either complicate the 'make dist' sequence, or make > RES-RSA unpack to a location other than the Vanilla tree. What do you > think? Nah, let's keep it simple. -- Dave Ahn | ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu | Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Try to live your life so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry. -1/2 jj^2 From quozl at us.netrek.org Mon Oct 22 20:59:04 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <20011022124127.4EDA14B65@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr>; from rousse@ccr.jussieu.fr on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 02:41:27PM +0200 References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011020152445.E6EA94B20@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011022112836.N22569@us.netrek.org> <20011022124127.4EDA14B65@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: <20011023115904.W22569@us.netrek.org> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 02:41:27PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Maybe the original author could reproduce it and keep only the netrek logo ? > I need it into 48x48, 32x32 and 16x16 format. Just send me the largest one. The logo I used came from http://www.netrek.org/ and was 225 x 42 pixels. It would be impractical to reduce it to a square. I think another image is needed, and I'm afraid I cannot suggest one. The COW client CVS tree has netrek.png which I shall attach to this mail. It is not really appropriate for the server configuration GUI though. I've also just taken a snapshot of the tactical view of the planet Orion, and included it as 48x48 and 32x32. Perhaps this would be a reasonable fallback for the server packaging. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: netrek.png Type: image/png Size: 1368 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/netrek-dev/attachments/20011023/e25d2017/netrek.png -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Why don't you switch to plain autoconf/automake instead ? -- Guillaume Rousse GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr Tue Oct 23 13:27:52 2001 From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <20011022090401.M22569@us.netrek.org> References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011021161633.A122834@cecum.vec.wfub <20011022090401.M22569@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20011023182752.8DE504F2C@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Ainsi parlait James Cameron : > > > Now with the new problems... Vanilla use standard autoconf/automake, > > > > While Vanilla does use autoconf, I'm not sure how many of the specific > > directory overrides it accepts. Perhaps James could comment. > > --prefix is the only override we've used. > > While I have seen that most distributions want to split files into > different directories, the code in the Netrek Server presumes just one > directory will be used; LIBDIR, from --prefix. OK, i understand now: everything in the same directory, even configuration files . May i suggest you add either compilation or runtime switch to specify configuration and log directories locations ? I don't know if this is difficult to implements, but makes installation way easier and more flexible. Moreover, you currently misuses prefix as the top-level installation directory, whereas it should be the root from which you build your top-level directory path. So, you should install in %{prefix}/games/netrek, not in %{prefix} -- Guillaume Rousse GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html From quozl at us.netrek.org Tue Oct 23 17:41:09 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <20011023181620.68EB64F2C@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr>; from rousse@ccr.jussieu.fr on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:16:20PM +0200 References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011020152445.E6EA94B20@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011022112836.N22569@us.netrek.org> <20011023181620.68EB64F2C@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: <20011024084109.B22569@us.netrek.org> On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:16:20PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Ainsi parlait James Cameron : > > Shows our Makefile are dumb. > > If you can fix them, we will fix our CVS. > Why don't you switch to plain autoconf/automake instead ? 'Cause we're not good at it, we don't want to break what works, and we tend to work on things that we think will significantly improve the end-product. We don't normally see packaging problems, which is exactly why we need someone who does see them. ;-) The Netrek server is a very old source tree, and was compiling fine before autoconf and automake became popular. We did add autoconf to it, as you can see from the existence of a configure.in and Makefile.in, but nobody has yet taken the next step of using automake. I'm not sure what it would get us. I've added it to the PROJECTS list in CVS. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From quozl at us.netrek.org Tue Oct 23 17:46:00 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [Vanilla Devel] vanilla package In-Reply-To: <20011023182752.8DE504F2C@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr>; from rousse@ccr.jussieu.fr on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:27:52PM +0200 References: <20011018101114.F2A444B10@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011021161633.A122834@cecum.vec.wfub <20011022090401.M22569@us.netrek.org> <20011023182752.8DE504F2C@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: <20011024084600.C22569@us.netrek.org> Noted in PROJECTS file, thanks. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From longdistance at repia.com Wed Oct 24 07:15:34 2001 From: longdistance at repia.com (longdistance@repia.com) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Confirming Your Link Message-ID: <1003921364.0819545484@repia.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/netrek-dev/attachments/20011024/acd3919f/attachment.html From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr Wed Oct 24 14:42:47 2001 From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] First mandrake package ready Message-ID: <20011024194247.6BA2B44A3@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Hello guys. The package for vanilla server is done, and is available there: http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/plf Please test, as i make no assumption of it usefulness now. I just checked it installs properly, and the service script is OK. It is compiled on current cooker, so you might need to rebuild the src package on your own box to ensure linking again your current libs. OK, now here is a bunch of remarks. I had to make some assumptions, where i could be wrong as i don't know netrek, et take some decisions that could be discussed: - i privilegiated 'vanilla' name instead of 'netrek' name everywhere, thus allowing a possible simultaneous install and use of another server - only the log directory is owned by games user, as the server has to write there, all other files are owned by root - i supposed the server would create log files automatically when needed, so i didn't created empty one at install - i used my own service script, as i try to make it similar to my other packages - does the server accept HUP to reload its configuration ? If so, i could add a reload entry to this script. - gum has no special rights: if you want to edit config files, use it as root. - gum should really be distributed independantly And also some problems: - there is a problem with gmp. It is installed, but configure script fails to find it. Moreover, it seems to be checked several times: [guillaume@silbermann guillaume]$ rpm -qa | grep gmp libgmp3-3.1.1-4mdk libgmp3-devel-3.1.1-4mdk configure output: [..] checking for gmp.h... no checking for main in -lmp... no checking for main in -lgmp... yes checking res-rsa/configure... RSA utilities found [..] checking for gmp.h... yes checking for mpz_init in -lgmp... no GMP not found, non-GMP version of librsa will be built. - i couldn't rebuild the package on mandrake own build host, for a reason i can't understand. Here is the failure: make[1]: Entering directory `/home/g_rousse/rpm/BUILD/Vanilla-2.9pl7/keycomp' gcc -g -I../ntserv -DRSA -c rsa_keycomp.c gcc -g -I../ntserv -DRSA -DPORT=2592 -c ../ntserv/getpath.c gcc -g -I../ntserv -DRSA -DPORT=2592 -c ../ntserv/data.c gcc -g -I../ntserv -DRSA -DPORT=2592 -o newstartd newstartd.o newaccess.o -lnsl -lm gcc: ../ntserv/getpath.o: No such file or directory gcc: ../ntserv/data.o: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [newstartd] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/g_rousse/rpm/BUILD/Vanilla-2.9pl7/newstartd make: *** [startup] Error 2 make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... gcc -g -I../ntserv -DRSA -c -o ../ntserv/getpath.o ../ntserv/getpath.c gcc -g -I../ntserv -DRSA -c -o ../ntserv/data.o ../ntserv/data.c gcc -g -I../ntserv -DRSA -c -o rsa_key2cap.o rsa_key2cap.c gcc -g -I../ntserv -DRSA -o rsa_keycomp rsa_keycomp.o ../ntserv/getpath.o gcc rsa_key2cap.o -o rsa_key2cap make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/g_rousse/rpm/BUILD/Vanilla-2.9pl7/keycomp' error: Bad exit status from /home/g_rousse/rpm/tmp/rpm-tmp.61942 (%build) As it is a smp box, i highly suspect this is the reason... I'll check with mandrake, but maybe you could have clues -- Guillaume Rousse GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr Fri Oct 26 04:49:23 2001 From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] licensing, feedback, and nothing-to-do-dpt Message-ID: <20011026094923.CCF8A64F@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Before adding vanilla package to official mandrake contributions, i must be sure of the license used. I found no mention of it neither on web site nor in archive, except for gum (GPL). To be precise, i found the 'unknown' mention in existing spec file, but that won't comply with mandrake policy :-) I have the same question for cow, if anybody here knows. I had no feedback from first package release, doesn't anybody had a look ? I'm currently aware of broken service script, and log file problem. Finally, do you have any contact with xsw community/developpers (http://wolfpack.twu.net/ShipWars/XShipWars) ? -- Guillaume Rousse GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html From 007 at freemail.at Fri Oct 26 10:12:40 2001 From: 007 at freemail.at (Kurt Siegl) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:35 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] licensing, feedback, and nothing-to-do-dpt In-Reply-To: <20011026094923.CCF8A64F@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> References: <20011026094923.CCF8A64F@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: <200110261507.RAA18748@twink.siegl.priv.at> On Friday 26 October 2001 11:49, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Before adding vanilla package to official mandrake contributions, i must be > sure of the license used. I found no mention of it neither on web site nor > in archive, except for gum (GPL). To be precise, i found the 'unknown' > mention in existing spec file, but that won't comply with mandrake policy > :-) I have the same question for cow, if anybody here knows. Netrek uses the Netrek license, which basically alows everything as long as the copyright notice remains. Here the corresponding part from the COW copyright.h file: * Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software and its * documentation for any purpose and without fee is hereby granted, provided * that the above copyright notice appear in all copies and that both that * copyright notice and this permission notice appear in supporting * documentation. No representations are made about the suitability of this * software for any purpose. It is provided "as is" without express or * implied warranty. Kurt (007) COW Source keeper -- Kurt Siegl / Franzberg 4, A-4483 Hargelsberg, Austria Email: Kurt.Siegl@freemail.at Tel (ISDN): *(7225)7017 URL: http://members.aon.at/presents/siegl/kurt/ From ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu Fri Oct 26 10:27:35 2001 From: ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:36 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] licensing, feedback, and nothing-to-do-dpt In-Reply-To: <20011026094923.CCF8A64F@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr>; from rousse@ccr.jussieu.fr on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 11:49:23AM +0200 References: <20011026094923.CCF8A64F@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: <20011026112735.A128618@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 11:49:23AM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Before adding vanilla package to official mandrake contributions, i must be > sure of the license used. I found no mention of it neither on web site nor in > archive, except for gum (GPL). To be precise, i found the 'unknown' mention > in existing spec file, but that won't comply with mandrake policy :-) > I have the same question for cow, if anybody here knows. The netrek licensing issue has never been fully resolved because people have different interpretations for it. In my opinion, the license is completely free for any use and, therefore, is even more generous than GPL or BSD. However, other people feel that the "without fee" clause restricts it to non-commercial use. The only thing you can do is take the copyright statements and clear it with the Mandrake people and get their interpretation on it. Note that you should send them all copyright statements. James, perhaps it's time to revisit this licensing issue and either rerelease netrek under an existing OSS license or create our own. > I had no feedback from first package release, doesn't anybody had a look ? > I'm currently aware of broken service script, and log file problem. Sorry, I don't use any RPM derived linux systems... > Finally, do you have any contact with xsw community/developpers > (http://wolfpack.twu.net/ShipWars/XShipWars) ? I don't think so. -- Dave Ahn | ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu | Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Try to live your life so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry. -1/2 jj^2 From quozl at us.netrek.org Sat Oct 27 02:40:44 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:36 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] licensing, feedback, and nothing-to-do-dpt In-Reply-To: <20011026112735.A128618@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>; from ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 11:27:35AM -0400 References: <20011026094923.CCF8A64F@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011026112735.A128618@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> Message-ID: <20011027174044.S22569@us.netrek.org> On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 11:27:35AM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote: > James, perhaps it's time to revisit this licensing issue and either > rerelease netrek under an existing OSS license or create our own. I agree, and I prefer rereleasing under an existing OSS license, but I have no idea how this is done. Is it simply a matter of sticking the GPL on it and thus violating the 'without fee' clause of the old license? I suspect I am not qualified to make this judgement. I'll need some opinions. > Sorry, I don't use any RPM derived linux systems... Nor do I, sorry. Is it a net installable distribution? I've got 56k here in the Australian outback. Can I download some floppy images, and then install from them? -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr Sat Oct 27 04:43:28 2001 From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:36 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] licensing, feedback, and nothing-to-do-dpt In-Reply-To: <20011026112735.A128618@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> References: <20011026094923.CCF8A64F@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011026112735.A128618@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> Message-ID: <20011027094328.9C2DC2B57@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Ainsi parlait Dave Ahn : > On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 11:49:23AM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > Before adding vanilla package to official mandrake contributions, i must > > be sure of the license used. I found no mention of it neither on web site > > nor in archive, except for gum (GPL). To be precise, i found the > > 'unknown' mention in existing spec file, but that won't comply with > > mandrake policy :-) I have the same question for cow, if anybody here > > knows. > > The netrek licensing issue has never been fully resolved because people > have different interpretations for it. In my opinion, the license is > completely free for any use and, therefore, is even more generous than > GPL or BSD. However, other people feel that the "without fee" clause > restricts it to non-commercial use. The only thing you can do is take > the copyright statements and clear it with the Mandrake people and get > their interpretation on it. Note that you should send them all copyright > statements. I was just looking for a value among the available one (see http://www.linux-mandrake.com/howtos/mdk-rpm/licenses-list.html) for the rpm license tag. From what i heard so far, it seems BSD is the most appropriate one. Anyway, the real license files will always be shipped with the package. -- Guillaume Rousse GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr Sat Oct 27 04:36:30 2001 From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:36 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] licensing, feedback, and nothing-to-do-dpt In-Reply-To: <20011027174044.S22569@us.netrek.org> References: <20011026094923.CCF8A64F@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011026112735.A128618@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <20011027174044.S22569@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20011027093630.832D04B16@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Ainsi parlait James Cameron : > On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 11:27:35AM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote: [..] > > Sorry, I don't use any RPM derived linux systems... > > Nor do I, sorry. Is it a net installable distribution? I've got 56k > here in the Australian outback. Can I download some floppy images, and > then install from them? Mandrake is not ideally suited for such kind of installation. Forget this if you don't want your line occuped three days long :-) I'll release a new version this WE, directly on mandrake mirrors, and forward the announcement there. You could put a note on web site, so people using mandrake/redhat could test. -- Guillaume Rousse GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html From 007 at freemail.at Sat Oct 27 06:30:02 2001 From: 007 at freemail.at (Kurt Siegl) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:36 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] licensing, feedback, and nothing-to-do-dpt In-Reply-To: <20011027174044.S22569@us.netrek.org> References: <20011026094923.CCF8A64F@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011026112735.A128618@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <20011027174044.S22569@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <200110271125.NAA21682@twink.siegl.priv.at> On Saturday 27 October 2001 09:40, James Cameron wrote: > On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 11:27:35AM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote: > > James, perhaps it's time to revisit this licensing issue and either > > rerelease netrek under an existing OSS license or create our own. > > I agree, and I prefer rereleasing under an existing OSS license, but I > have no idea how this is done. Is it simply a matter of sticking the > GPL on it and thus violating the 'without fee' clause of the old > license? Actually to do it right you would need to ask all persons named in the copyright.h files personally whether they agree. As for the 'without fee' clause I would read it more the open way, that one may use it without fee for whatever you want and not in the closed form that you must only give it away for free. But the more importaint thing in the license is the clause 'the above copyright notice appear in all copies' which basically means that the authors must be honoured by mentioning their names. I think with GPL this isn't guaranteed anymore. I'm not a license expert, but I guess BSD license is better with this respect. > I suspect I am not qualified to make this judgement. I'll need some > opinions. As for my contribution on the project, I agree with a license change and we definitely should use one the existing OSS licenses, to avoid further confusions. Netrek is Copyright (c) 1986 during that time all this license schemes didn't exist. Anyway, since Netrek is a comunity project now, I guess making a poll on r.g.n. as well as on the development lists should be enough for a license change. Kurt (007) COW source keeper -- Kurt Siegl / Franzberg 4, A-4483 Hargelsberg, Austria Email: Kurt.Siegl@freemail.at Tel (ISDN): *(7225)7017 URL: http://members.aon.at/presents/siegl/kurt/ From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr Sat Oct 27 07:25:28 2001 From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:36 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] licensing, feedback, and nothing-to-do-dpt In-Reply-To: <200110271125.NAA21682@twink.siegl.priv.at> References: <20011026094923.CCF8A64F@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011027174044.S22569@us.netrek.org> <200110271125.NAA21682@twink.siegl.priv.at> Message-ID: <20011027122528.4670B4B5A@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Ainsi parlait Kurt Siegl : > On Saturday 27 October 2001 09:40, James Cameron wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 11:27:35AM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote: > > > James, perhaps it's time to revisit this licensing issue and either > > > rerelease netrek under an existing OSS license or create our own. > > > > I agree, and I prefer rereleasing under an existing OSS license, but I > > have no idea how this is done. Is it simply a matter of sticking the > > GPL on it and thus violating the 'without fee' clause of the old > > license? > > Actually to do it right you would need to ask all persons named in the > copyright.h files personally whether they agree. > > As for the 'without fee' clause I would read it more the open way, that one > may use it without fee for whatever you want and not in the closed form > that you must only give it away for free. Caution there : including netrek it in a distribution (as i'm currently doing) that is downloadable but also sold is sort of making money with it. If you want to prevent this, you can't say it's free software. > But the more importaint thing in the license is the clause 'the above > copyright notice appear in all copies' which basically means that the > authors must be honoured by mentioning their names. I think with GPL this > isn't guaranteed anymore. I'm not a license expert, but I guess BSD license > is better with this respect. You're right there. > > I suspect I am not qualified to make this judgement. I'll need some > > opinions. > > As for my contribution on the project, I agree with a license change and we > definitely should use one the existing OSS licenses, to avoid further > confusions. Netrek is Copyright (c) 1986 during that time all this license > schemes didn't exist. > > Anyway, since Netrek is a comunity project now, I guess making a poll on > r.g.n. as well as on the development lists should be enough for a license > change. While talking about software license, i just read in latest month Brave GNU world issue (http://www.gnu.org/brave-gnu-world/issue-31.en.html) an invitation to speak of free games: Very often a lacking user base is a problem for new areas, so I'd like to introduce Free games in the Brave GNU World more often. If you are having fun with a Free game or are working on one yourself, please get in touch [1]. Also information about a portal that is exclusively dedicated to Free games would be quite useful. Enough introduction for now, lets get started. Maybe you could present netrek there, both for advertising and also for asking license experts some advices ? -- Guillaume Rousse GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr Sat Oct 27 10:14:36 2001 From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:36 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Fwd: [Contrib-Rpm] vanilla-2.9pl7-2mdk Message-ID: <20011027151436.629A14F3F@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Here it is... ---------- Message transmis ---------- Subject: [Contrib-Rpm] vanilla-2.9pl7-2mdk Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:15:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Guillaume Rousse To: Changelog List [Contrib-RPM] --=-=-= Name : vanilla Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 2.9pl7 Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 2mdk Build Date: Sat Oct 27 23:21:24 2001 Install date: (not installed) Build Host: klama.mandrake.org Group : Games/Other Source RPM: (none) Size : 809931 License: BSD Packager : Guillaume Rousse URL : http://vanilla.us.netrek.org Summary : Netrek Vanilla Server Description : Netrek is the probably the first video game which can accurately be described as a "sport." It has more in common with basketball than with arcade games or Quake. Its vast and expanding array of tactics and strategies allows for many different play styles; the best players are the ones who think fastest, not necessarily the ones who twitch most effectively. It can be enjoyed as a twitch game, since the dogfighting system is extremely robust, but the things that really set Netrek apart from other video games are the team and strategic aspects. Team play is dynamic and varied, with roles constantly changing as the game state changes. Strategic play is explored in organized league games; after 6+ years of league play, strategies are still being invented and refined. The game itself has existed for over 10 years, and has a solid playerbase, including some people who have been playing for nearly as long as the game has existed. This is a server for the multi-player game of Netrek. --=-=-= * Sun Oct 28 2001 Guillaume Rousse 2.9pl7-2mdk - new in contribs - fixed smp compilation - fixed logrotate complaints - rewrote init script - changed license tag to BSD -- http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/cookerdevel.php3 ------------------------------------------------------- -- Guillaume Rousse GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html From xyzzy at speakeasy.org Sat Oct 27 15:12:04 2001 From: xyzzy at speakeasy.org (Trent Piepho) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:36 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] licensing, feedback, and nothing-to-do-dpt In-Reply-To: <20011027174044.S22569@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, James Cameron wrote: > On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 11:27:35AM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote: > > James, perhaps it's time to revisit this licensing issue and either > > rerelease netrek under an existing OSS license or create our own. > > I agree, and I prefer rereleasing under an existing OSS license, but I > have no idea how this is done. Is it simply a matter of sticking the > GPL on it and thus violating the 'without fee' clause of the old > license? > > I suspect I am not qualified to make this judgement. I'll need some > opinions. Everything I have read about this indicates that you need the permission of ALL the copyright holders in order to distribute their work under a different license. Of course that will never happen with netrek. I doubt anyone even knows who all the copyright holders are! This is why orginizations like the FSF require that all contrbutors sign over their copyright to the FSF. From ssheldon at sodablue.org Sat Oct 27 16:54:14 2001 From: ssheldon at sodablue.org (Steve Sheldon) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:36 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] licensing, feedback, and nothing-to-do-dpt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003c01c15f31$ebb1aa50$8400000a@win2k.sodablue.com> Trent Piepho wrote: > > Everything I have read about this indicates that you need the > permission of ALL the copyright holders in order to > distribute their work under a different license. That's my interpretation as well. > Of course that will never happen with netrek. I doubt anyone > even knows who all the copyright holders are! This is why > orginizations like the FSF require that all contrbutors sign > over their copyright to the FSF. Well the copyright signoff is really just a peculiarity of the GPL. There's this idea that you can make money with GPL'ed software by selling a enhanced closed version, but in order to do so you have to make sure any contributions sent to you from the free version and incorporated into the code tree have the copyright turned over to you. This is because of the viral nature of the GPL requiring work done under that license to be given away for free in source form. With the BSD license this isn't really an issue, since the license offers true freedom. You submit your code, it get's incorporated into the package. The company maintaining the package might use it in a commercial version, or not. If someone later goes off and uses the package in some other way, all they need do is make the bibliographic note that they have used the package as the basis of their work. They may or may not release their modifications as they so desire. It's just no big deal. When I originally read the netrek license I was under the impression that it meant non-commercial use. Upon further reflection it does seem to be more of a openness clause. "I'm giving you this, go forth and use it, I expect nothing in return." Hard to say. But it does seem that the Netrek license fits more closely with the BSD license except for that particular phrasing. Personally I think the GPL is one of the true evils of this world, only being surpassed by Milli Vanilli fan clubs, so I'm opposed to that license. From 007 at freemail.at Sat Oct 27 17:26:34 2001 From: 007 at freemail.at (Kurt Siegl) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:36 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] licensing, feedback, and nothing-to-do-dpt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200110272222.AAA23265@twink.siegl.priv.at> On Saturday 27 October 2001 22:12, Trent Piepho wrote: > > Everything I have read about this indicates that you need the permission of > ALL the copyright holders in order to distribute their work under a > different license. > > Of course that will never happen with netrek. I doubt anyone even knows > who all the copyright holders are! This is why orginizations like the FSF > require that all contrbutors sign over their copyright to the FSF. The names is easy: As for COW the license holders are: Copyright (c) 1986 Chris Guthrie Copyright 1989 Kevin P. Smith Scott Silvey Copyright 1993 * COW (BRM) authors (including but not limitted to: Kevin Powell Nick Trown * Jeff Nelson Kurt Siegl) Copyright 1994 * Hockey Lines added to COW by Nathan Doss Michael Kantner Additionally for the server Copyright (c) 1993 Tedd Hadley Heiko Wengler But there are lots of great contributors missing. And the hardest part would probably be to find out where they are now. Probably even Tom Holub will not be able to help us here. So I opt for the community poll, since Netrek as it is now is a community project where basically only Netrek players contributed to the code. Kurt -- Kurt Siegl / Franzberg 4, A-4483 Hargelsberg, Austria Email: Kurt.Siegl@freemail.at Tel (ISDN): *(7225)7017 URL: http://members.aon.at/presents/siegl/kurt/ From doosh at best.com Sat Oct 27 23:22:22 2001 From: doosh at best.com (Tom Holub) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:37 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] licensing, feedback, and nothing-to-do-dpt In-Reply-To: <200110272222.AAA23265@twink.siegl.priv.at>; from 007@freemail.at on Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 12:26:34AM +0200 References: <200110272222.AAA23265@twink.siegl.priv.at> Message-ID: <20011027212222.A25074@best.com> On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 12:26:34AM +0200, Kurt Siegl wrote: > On Saturday 27 October 2001 22:12, Trent Piepho wrote: > > > > Everything I have read about this indicates that you need the permission of > > ALL the copyright holders in order to distribute their work under a > > different license. > > > > Of course that will never happen with netrek. I doubt anyone even knows > > who all the copyright holders are! This is why orginizations like the FSF > > require that all contrbutors sign over their copyright to the FSF. > > The names is easy: > > As for COW the license holders are: > > Copyright (c) 1986 Chris Guthrie > > Copyright 1989 Kevin P. Smith > Scott Silvey > > Copyright 1993 > * COW (BRM) authors (including but not limitted to: Kevin Powell Nick Trown > * Jeff Nelson Kurt Siegl) > > Copyright 1994 > * Hockey Lines added to COW by Nathan Doss Michael Kantner > > Additionally for the server > Copyright (c) 1993 Tedd Hadley > Heiko Wengler > > > But there are lots of great contributors missing. And the hardest part would > probably be to find out where they are now. Probably even Tom Holub will not > be able to help us here. I can probably track down at least Kevin Smith and Scott Silvey. They might be able to track down Chris Guthrie. -Tom From xyzzy at speakeasy.org Sun Oct 28 00:27:31 2001 From: xyzzy at speakeasy.org (Trent Piepho) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:37 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] licensing, feedback, and nothing-to-do-dpts In-Reply-To: <20011027212222.A25074@best.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Tom Holub wrote: > On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 12:26:34AM +0200, Kurt Siegl wrote: > > > > As for COW the license holders are: > > > > Copyright (c) 1986 Chris Guthrie > > > > Copyright 1989 Kevin P. Smith > > Scott Silvey > > > > Copyright 1993 > > * COW (BRM) authors (including but not limitted to: Kevin Powell Nick Trown > > * Jeff Nelson Kurt Siegl) > > > > Copyright 1994 > > * Hockey Lines added to COW by Nathan Doss Michael Kantner > > > > Additionally for the server > > Copyright (c) 1993 Tedd Hadley > > Heiko Wengler That's hardly a conclusive list. The copyright holders are the people who wrote it, not just those who chose to tag it with their names. You need all the copyright holders' permission. From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr Mon Oct 29 05:01:49 2001 From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:37 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] better description needed Message-ID: <20011029110149.ABE2F5562@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> The current vanilla server package description is: Netrek is the probably the first video game which can accurately be described as a "sport." It has more in common with basketball than with arcade games or Quake. Its vast and expanding array of tactics and strategies allows for many different play styles; the best players are the ones who think fastest, not necessarily the ones who twitch most effectively. It can be enjoyed as a twitch game, since the dogfighting system is extremely robust, but the things that really set Netrek apart from other video games are the team and strategic aspects. Team play is dynamic and varied, with roles constantly changing as the game state changes. Strategic play is explored in organized league games; after 6+ years of league play, strategies are still being invented and refined. The game itself has existed for over 10 years, and has a solid playerbase, including some people who have been playing for nearly as long as the game has existed. This is a server for the multi-player game of Netrek. This is mostly a netrek description, not a vanilla server one :-) Is there another better one i could use ? The gum one, altough, seems OK: Configuration program for the Netrek Vanilla Server. Although the server will run out of the box, it can be configured to behave differently through configuration files. This program provides a graphical interface to these files. It is not required to play. Also, i didn't find any cow mailing list. Where should i ask cow-related questions ? -- Guillaume Rousse GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html From ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu Mon Oct 29 10:17:26 2001 From: ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:37 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] licensing, feedback, and nothing-to-do-dpt In-Reply-To: <20011027174044.S22569@us.netrek.org>; from quozl@us.netrek.org on Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 05:40:44PM +1000 References: <20011026094923.CCF8A64F@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> <20011026112735.A128618@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <20011027174044.S22569@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20011029111726.A131237@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 05:40:44PM +1000, James Cameron wrote: > On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 11:27:35AM -0400, Dave Ahn wrote: > > James, perhaps it's time to revisit this licensing issue and either > > rerelease netrek under an existing OSS license or create our own. > > I agree, and I prefer rereleasing under an existing OSS license, but I > have no idea how this is done. Is it simply a matter of sticking the > GPL on it and thus violating the 'without fee' clause of the old > license? > > I suspect I am not qualified to make this judgement. I'll need some > opinions. Back when we had this discussion I received emails from several key netrek contributors that gave blanket permission regarding their code. Since quite a bit of the netrek code has been patched/modified/rewritten at this point by the current developers, I think it's safe to just put out a notice as to what we intend to do, wait a week or two for comments, then proceed. Perhaps this can be done for Vanilla 3.0. The only real question is which OSS license to use. I recall a lot of people having problems with the GPL. -- Dave Ahn | ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu | Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Try to live your life so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry. -1/2 jj^2 From ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu Mon Oct 29 10:21:26 2001 From: ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:37 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] [imadpit555@yahoo.com: [r.g.n] Re: Defending bases...?] Message-ID: <20011029112126.C131237@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> James, please add the following to PROJECTS. I'll take care of getting it implemented. "Niclas Fredriksson" wrote in message news:Pine.GSO.4.33.0110261714530.8528-100000@montezuma.acc.umu.se... > Comment: it's obvious to me that twarp will be around on pickup servers > until... well pretty much forever, so what I would want is an option to > turn it off and still have docking on. In most cases I take most of the > damage from friendly twarpers twinking around next to and on top of me. This is a really great suggestion; perhaps one of the best suggestions I've heard in quite sometime. We should have some offical request for comments-type thingy and see if we can get this implemented. -doug _______________________________________________ rec.games.netrek mailing list rec.games.netrek@us.netrek.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/rec.games.netrek ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Dave Ahn | ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu | Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Try to live your life so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry. -1/2 jj^2 From ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu Mon Oct 29 10:57:32 2001 From: ahn at vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:37 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] licensing, feedback, and nothing-to-do-dpts In-Reply-To: ; from xyzzy@speakeasy.org on Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 10:27:31PM -0700 References: <20011027212222.A25074@best.com> Message-ID: <20011029115732.E131237@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 10:27:31PM -0700, Trent Piepho wrote: > > That's hardly a conclusive list. The copyright holders are the people who > wrote it, not just those who chose to tag it with their names. You need > all the copyright holders' permission. It would be interesting to determine how much of the netrek code has been changed by the current contributors. The percentage for the Vanilla code should be fairly large. This doesn't absolve us from getting permission from past authors nor does it reduce the rights of an author who might have only submitted a 1 line code change, but it might give us some credibility and some reasoning for issuing a license change without actually getting responses from 100% of past contributors. -- Dave Ahn | ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu | Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Try to live your life so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry. -1/2 jj^2 From quozl at us.netrek.org Mon Oct 29 15:45:45 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:37 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] [imadpit555@yahoo.com: [r.g.n] Re: Defending bases...?] In-Reply-To: <20011029112126.C131237@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>; from ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 11:21:26AM -0500 References: <20011029112126.C131237@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> Message-ID: <20011030084545.A26196@us.netrek.org> On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 11:21:26AM -0500, Dave Ahn wrote: > James, please add the following to PROJECTS. I'll take care of getting it > implemented. Agreed, done. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From quozl at us.netrek.org Mon Oct 29 15:57:15 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:37 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] better description needed In-Reply-To: <20011029110149.ABE2F5562@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr>; from rousse@ccr.jussieu.fr on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 12:01:49PM +0100 References: <20011029110149.ABE2F5562@silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: <20011030085715.B26196@us.netrek.org> On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 12:01:49PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > This is mostly a netrek description, not a vanilla server one :-) > Is there another better one i could use ? Not that I'm aware of. There are two server variants, Vanilla and Paradise. Vanilla used to be just Netrek. Paradise was a fork. Vanilla was so named after the fork. Vanilla is actively developed, but I don't think Paradise is. Paradise went where not everyone wanted to go, but we were able to copy certain changes from it into Vanilla after a while. I haven't seen any recent Paradise development, and I'd rather not promote that variant by mentioning it in a Vanilla package description. All this should be peripheral to whether a Mandrake user chooses to install the package. Unless you are also packaging Paradise, I think you should name the package netrek-server or netrek-vanilla not just vanilla. In the case of the Netrek clients, there is active development in the many forks. For them I would name the packages netrek-cow, netrek-brmh and so forth. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Oct 29 18:14:52 2001 From: zu22 at andrew.cmu.edu (Zachary Uram) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:37 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] seeking task(s)! In-Reply-To: <20011030084545.A26196@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: Can someone please assign me a relatively trivial task to do? Keep in mind: a) this is my first experience with Vanilla src tree b) i do not have expert C programming skills yet c) explicit instructions to get me started are very good :) With that caveat I am eager to assist in the Vanilla src in some ways. Zach zu22@andrew.cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 From quozl at us.netrek.org Mon Oct 29 20:49:00 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:38 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: seeking task(s)! In-Reply-To: ; from zu22@andrew.cmu.edu on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 07:14:52PM -0500 References: <20011030084545.A26196@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20011030134900.D26196@us.netrek.org> On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 07:14:52PM -0500, Zachary Uram wrote: > Can someone please assign me a relatively trivial task to do? From jeffno at ccs.neu.edu Tue Oct 30 06:45:57 2001 From: jeffno at ccs.neu.edu (Jeffrey Nowakowski) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:38 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: seeking task(s)! In-Reply-To: <20011030134900.D26196@us.netrek.org> from "James Cameron" at Oct 30, 2001 01:49:00 PM Message-ID: <200110301245.f9UCjv612264@denali.ccs.neu.edu> James Cameron wrote: > > - update t-mode messages, they are outdated. I am totally against this. Netrek is an old game; why erase its history? I'm sure there are more important things to work on, like being able to turn off t-warp separate from docking. -Jeff From quozl at us.netrek.org Tue Oct 30 16:34:00 2001 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:52:38 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: seeking task(s)! In-Reply-To: <200110301245.f9UCjv612264@denali.ccs.neu.edu>; from jeffno@ccs.neu.edu on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 07:45:57AM -0500 References: <20011030134900.D26196@us.netrek.org> <200110301245.f9UCjv612264@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Message-ID: <20011031093400.F26196@us.netrek.org> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 07:45:57AM -0500, Jeffrey Nowakowski wrote: > James Cameron wrote: > > - update t-mode messages, they are outdated. > I am totally against this. Netrek is an old game; why erase its > history? So that it keeps up. This complaint about the outdatedness of the messages was received from players, which caused this line to be added to PROJECTS, where it has sat for many months. > I'm sure there are more important things to work on, like being able > to turn off t-warp separate from docking. Dave Ahn said he'd be doing that. I can't allocate the task to Zach as well. Also, Zach did say he wanted a simple one. 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