From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Fri Sep 20 07:17:27 2002 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:40 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla Message-ID: <200209201217.g8KCHRD18872@swashbuckler.real-time.com> Date: Friday September 20, 2002 @ 7:17 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla In directory swashbuckler.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv18869 Modified Files: PROJECTS Log Message: add lag stats request **************************************** Index: Vanilla/PROJECTS diff -u Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.94 Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.95 --- Vanilla/PROJECTS:1.94 Wed Jun 19 01:50:57 2002 +++ Vanilla/PROJECTS Fri Sep 20 07:17:27 2002 @@ -1,7 +1,9 @@ -$Id: PROJECTS,v 1.94 2002/06/19 06:50:57 cameron Exp $ +$Id: PROJECTS,v 1.95 2002/09/20 12:17:27 cameron Exp $ List of things to do in the future + + - add lag statistics to LTD stats. [Zach] - tail waggle effect, necessary? [work done to fix, by quozl ... in test on continuum] From burnett at roadkill.com Mon Sep 23 08:48:27 2002 From: burnett at roadkill.com (Andy Burnett) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:40 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] hosed vanilla server Message-ID: <200209231348.g8NDmRL29168@roadkill.com> I came in this morning to find my vanilla (2.9pl7) server in a very strange state. Clients can connect, however after that they just seem to "hang" - never drawing the galactic, and having bogus numbers for stats (107 ETemp, for example). No matter what I do to the server, nothing seems to reset it - killing and restarting the daemon, running tools/setgalaxy, etc. Nothing has changed in the . config files since I initally set up the server, so I don't know what could have caused this. Is there a way to "reset" the server without rebooting the machine? &y From vanilla-list-admin at us.netrek.org Mon Sep 30 17:00:40 2002 From: vanilla-list-admin at us.netrek.org (vanilla-list-admin@us.netrek.org) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:42 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] 1 vanilla-list admin request(s) waiting Message-ID: <200209302200.g8UM0dK13336@sprite.real-time.com> The vanilla-list@us.netrek.org mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/vanilla-list Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. 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Pending posts: From: cabin9@netian.com on Tue Sep 24 11:35:19 2002 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: jyparke1654@hanmail.com on Tue Sep 24 22:55:02 2002 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: sodwkdrh99@dreamwiz.com on Wed Sep 25 00:47:47 2002 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 3 19:24:36 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:11 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Posting to Clue Pickup WAS Re: [Clue Pickup] CLUE GAME TONIGHT! In-Reply-To: ; from kbernatz+@pitt.edu on Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 03:59:38PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20020903192436.F6747@real-time.com> Quoting KEVIN M BERNATZ (kbernatz+@pitt.edu): > The current incarnation of clue-pickup is next to useless. Postings don't > show up for days after they are sent. Can this please be fixed since it > defeats the entire purpose of having this list (as exemplified by both > Martin's and my posts on the clue game). Since anti-spam features where activated on the list, as requested by the list members we have the following side-effects: 1. If you post to the list from an email address that is NOT subscribed to the list, that post must be approved before being delivered to list members. 2. If you post from an IP address where the forward lookup does NOT match the reverse lookup, that post must be approved before being delivered to list members. 3. If you post and your IP address, FQDN, or domain name is in one of the following RBL databases: relays.ordb.org sbl.spamhaus.org spamhaus.relays.osirusoft.com blackholes.mail-abuse.org dialups.mail-abuse.org relays.mail-abuse.org that post must be approved before being delivered to list members. I should have disregarded the "old" posts that I found in the approval queue. That is my fault. But mostly what I find in the approval queue is of type #1 postings. If you are subscribed to the list, postings should go out immediately. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From wonko at 4amlunch.net Wed Sep 4 09:34:37 2002 From: wonko at 4amlunch.net (Brian Hechinger) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:11 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Posting to Clue Pickup WAS Re: [Clue Pickup] CLUE GAME TONIGHT! In-Reply-To: <20020903192436.F6747@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 07:24:36PM -0500 References: <20020903192436.F6747@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020904103437.E49160@marvin.4amlunch.net> On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 07:24:36PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > 1. If you post to the list from an email address that is NOT subscribed to the > list, that post must be approved before being delivered to list members. i've seen a lot of this on other mailing lists that are configured the same way as this one. the trick to getting around this, is to subscribe from every account you send email from, but disable delivery on accounts that you don't want to receive messages at. that way you only get mail where you want it, and sending mail is never delayed. i actually have to enable my work account on all mailing lists i'm on, since i can never remember to switch to my home account just to send mail to a certain list. ;) cheers, -brian (HTH) -- she manipulates my language | the scion of a cunning goddess | Fridge and i *am* but a MAN | Magnet watching my gratuitous torment | Poetry not looking herculean | From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Wed Sep 4 12:57:03 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:11 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Posting to Clue Pickup WAS Re: [Clue Pickup] CLUE GAME TONIGHT! In-Reply-To: <20020903192436.F6747@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020904175703.21339.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bob Tanner wrote: > > 2. If you post from an IP address where the forward > lookup does NOT match the > reverse lookup, that post must be approved before > being delivered to list > members. Can someone explain what this means? How can I test if my IP address conforms to this and is there anything I can do about it if it does not (complain to ISP?)? > 3. If you post and your IP address, FQDN, or domain What is a FQDN? Zach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 05:52:20 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:12 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] pwstats - can we add some more stats please? In-Reply-To: <20020904175703.21339.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020920105220.25180.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, It sure has been quiet on this list :) I was looking at the PW-style stats for INL server version 4.0, Patchlevel 8 The base stats had toffense. Is this same as tek? The player stats had fao, tof, & fck. What are these, and why don't we use them anymore? And can we use them? Also I noticed it inclued lag statistics. Such as: Lag statistics (appropriate clients only): Name team avrt(ms) stdv(ms) pkls(s->c / c->s) Vorpal Tube Ra 167 40 19% / 38% TuberScampi Rd 184 40 12% / 47% Famous Tube Rf 145 30 12% / 18% Grey Tuber R8 127 78 8% / 17% Could we *please* add this back into the next Vanilla release. I think being able to see who was lagged and how much could be very useful, and easier than having to manually send "!" to each player. If you don't want to add this can someone please send me the code so I can make a small client utility that will do this. PS: AFAIK pwstats.html is generated from ltd_dump.txt.gz yes? Which functions are responsible for doing this? Zach __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From quozl at us.netrek.org Fri Sep 20 07:20:19 2002 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:12 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] pwstats - can we add some more stats please? In-Reply-To: <20020920105220.25180.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020904175703.21339.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> <20020920105220.25180.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020920122019.GB12360@us.netrek.org> On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 03:52:20AM -0700, Zach wrote: > [lag statistics] > Could we *please* add this back into the next Vanilla > release. I think being able to see who was lagged > and how much could be very useful, and easier than > having to manually send "!" to each player. Added to PROJECTS list. I conjecture that the reason why it isn't implemented is that nobody believed it to be important. I've watched quite a few INL games, and lag of participants doesn't really seem to make any difference to the result. The big CMU versus Australia game a few years ago proved that for us. At least I think it was CMU. Danny still has nightmares about it. Despite the CMU team playing with 600-800ms lag, they won convincingly. If anybody adds it, I'm quite happy to keep it in the source. > If you don't want to add this can someone please send > me the code so I can make a small client utility that > will do this. Who is you? Send you what code? Doing it client-side would certainly lessen the authority and accuracy of any data. > PS: AFAIK pwstats.html is generated from > ltd_dump.txt.gz yes? Which functions are responsible > for doing this? robots/end_tourney.pl # Generates PWstats and others from an ltd_stats file. # Mails stats to statboys if REGISTER was used. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 22:26:50 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:12 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] pwstats - can we add some more stats please? In-Reply-To: <20020920122019.GB12360@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20020921032650.29351.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> --- James Cameron wrote: > Added to PROJECTS list. I conjecture that the > reason why it isn't > implemented is that nobody believed it to be > important. I've watched > quite a few INL games, and lag of participants > doesn't really seem to > make any difference to the result. Ok. I still think some would like to see it included. At least myself heh :) > The big CMU versus Australia game a few years ago > proved that for us. > At least I think it was CMU. Danny still has > nightmares about it. > Despite the CMU team playing with 600-800ms lag, > they won convincingly. Yah I heard about that. Did you play on the Australia team for that game? > If anybody adds it, I'm quite happy to keep it in > the source. I would like to add it. The code was in the older version Vanilla so it's just a matter of finding the old code and sticking it back in. Is there a repository/archive of the old versions of Vanilla? > Who is you? Zach. > Doing it client-side would certainly lessen the > authority and accuracy > of any data. Ok. Zach __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 07:58:00 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:12 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] pwstats - can we add some more stats please? In-Reply-To: <20020920122019.GB12360@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20020920125800.10604.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> --- James Cameron wrote: > > Added to PROJECTS list. I conjecture that the > reason why it isn't > implemented is that nobody believed it to be > important. I've watched > quite a few INL games, and lag of participants > doesn't really seem to > make any difference to the result. Ok, but I still find it useful. I like to compare my performance over time with my lag. > The big CMU versus Australia game a few years ago > proved that for us. > At least I think it was CMU. Danny still has > nightmares about it. > Despite the CMU team playing with 600-800ms lag, > they won convincingly. Yeah I've heard stories about that. > If anybody adds it, I'm quite happy to keep it in > the source. Ok. At some point the code was already saw since those lag statistics were in that old LTD stats. So my question is do we have a code repository/archive for the prior releases of Vanilla? If it's a question of just finding the old code and plugging it into the new release I can give it a whack. > Who is you? I am Zach. > Send you what code? The code that generated the LTD lag statistics from the old Vanilla release. > Doing it client-side would certainly lessen the > authority and accuracy > of any data. Ok. > robots/end_tourney.pl Ah so it is a seperate perl script? Why not have C routine instead? Zach __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From quozl at us.netrek.org Sun Sep 22 20:49:30 2002 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:12 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] pwstats - can we add some more stats please? In-Reply-To: <20020920125800.10604.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020920122019.GB12360@us.netrek.org> <20020920125800.10604.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020923014930.GI12360@us.netrek.org> On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 05:58:00AM -0700, Zach wrote: > Ok. At some point the code was already saw since those > lag statistics were in that old LTD stats. So my > question is do we have a code repository/archive for > the prior releases of Vanilla? If it's a question of > just finding the old code and plugging it into the new > release I can give it a whack. Yes, we have CVS. Other than that we have prior releases in the same directory that contains the current release. Tell me where and when you saw this functionality in the server. > > Who is you? > I am Zach. You had made a statement using the word "you" and I was asking which you you meant. > > Send you what code? > The code that generated the LTD lag statistics from > the old Vanilla release. I'm not aware of any such code. > > robots/end_tourney.pl > Ah so it is a seperate perl script? Why not have C > routine instead? It isn't separate, it is shipped with the release. Since the process is a text log analysis, Perl does seem a reasonable choice. I see no reason for coding it in C. It only runs once, at the end of a game, so performance is not a significant issue. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Sun Sep 29 22:58:00 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:12 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? Message-ID: <20020930035800.7689.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> In the context of getting started on my latest task: I can't seem to find very much documentation. Even within most of the C source files there is scarce comments, and often there is NO documentation/comments at all. I recall Carlos or someone saying they had been working on some documentation. If I could see even the draft form it would help me get a handle on things. A global spec of what functions call what and what each function does would be ideal. Or even just a global picture of the flow structure (i.e. the primary function is main() in dir/blah.c, associated with it are the following subroutines x,y,z which handle doing blah, blah, blah etc..) Even our directory structure (/ntserv, /robotd, /tools, etc.) isn't documented. Having good documentation or at least *some* may ease the burden for new developers wanting to get involved in the project. So if anyone has *anything* they can send me it would be appreciated. Zach __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Sun Sep 22 22:20:05 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:12 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] pwstats - can we add some more stats please? In-Reply-To: <20020923014930.GI12360@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20020923032005.40663.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> --- James Cameron wrote: > On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 05:58:00AM -0700, Zach > Yes, we have CVS. Other than that we have prior > releases in the > same directory that contains the current release. > Tell me where > and when you saw this functionality in the server. INL server version 4.0, Patchlevel 8 > You had made a statement using the word "you" and I > was asking > which you you meant. Oh sorry heh. I meat "you" as anyone in general. > I'm not aware of any such code. Maybe it was before your time possibly. > It isn't separate, it is shipped with the release. > > Since the process is a text log analysis, Perl does > seem a reasonable > choice. I see no reason for coding it in C. It > only runs once, at the > end of a game, so performance is not a significant > issue. Ok. BTW I'm still wondering what these stand for: toffense (a base stat) - same as tek? fao, tof, & fck (player stats) ? Thanks, Zach __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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