true, also maybe there's a way to do it with signed jars. i still could use more study and help if you know of a way or know someone who knows a way or know a newsgroup that has ppl that knows the way ;-) ill put it up tomorrow -jay -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm _______________________________________________ vanilla-devel mailing list vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-devel