At least three people have told me they don't find players on pickled particularly welcoming. One even runs his own server which isn't on the metaservers, and encourages his friends there. We certainly don't need more servers though. We need more players, and clients that meet the eye candy requirements of potential players. I don't think there's anything to be gained by discussing this. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl at us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/