=- Jeffrey Watts wrote on Tue 25.Mar'08 at 16:05:56 -0500 -= > You have tons of ideas but very little support from the community. > Your exhausting persistence in promoting them despite a lack of > enthusiasm from anyone else only seems to serve to annoy people. ... because always the same respond 1st and/or only. Maybe I'm mistaken and the list actually consists of only a handful of people to always run into the same. In that case I'm again sorry. Then again, even among the few I noticed signals deviating from the only true path. I'll do better at ignoring them from now on. > I'm not sure if the lack of support is due to the inadequacy of > the ideas themselves or the poor manner in which you promote them. > I suspect the latter more than the former. I suspect even another. > Leaders in the geek community aren't leaders because they shout > the loudest - they're leaders because they get things done. If you mean me by "shouting", I'm not after being a leader. I'm also after getting things done, just not code directly now, but as a result of systematic changes in the long run. > This is a meritocracy, and when faced by a lack of support for > your ideas you need to either implement them yourself (and thus > let the ideas stand on their own merit) {...} It's easy to fork code (needs just 1 person), but not workflow environments designed to work with many rather than a few, when there are too few left altogether. More code doesn't produce more people working with it. You have to work for a living, but you have to spend (and risk) money to make more money. There is enough code to live, it needs more people to live better. > {...} or stop complaining that others won't. > In this community, "getting things done" generally means > contributing new code or fixing old code. Thus my comment about > producing code. There is more to "merit" than only literal code. But you're right, nothing has changed since 1y+ ago. So I will stop exploring (*) the current state and different ways to go, and join the silence of the good old true way. (* as it was intended rather than "complaining" as you perceive it; but does it make a difference for you?) (BTW, the list is "forked", can we have it re-unite to @lists.netrek.org?) -- © Rado S. -- You must provide YOUR effort for your goal! EVERY effort counts: at least to show your attitude. You're responsible for ALL you do: you get what you give.