From tanner at real-time.com  Thu Jan  6 22:01:02 2011
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 22:01:02 -0600
Subject: [netrek-dev] The Mac App Store will open soon. Submit your apps
	today.
References: <201BE823-E63B-4DE5-AC94-2088AC9F2622@netrek.org>
Message-ID: <ig635u$d8v$1@dough.gmane.org>

On 2010-11-18 18:20:15 -0600, Bob Tanner said:

> Opportunity to get Netrek client for OSX into the Mac App store?

App store is live. Pretty nice as well!

Need to patch to 10.6.6.

My only fear would be if the code needs to be run through the QA stuff 
that iOS apps go through.


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From chris.lukassen at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 06:33:45 2011
From: chris.lukassen at gmail.com (Chris Lukassen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 13:33:45 +0100
Subject: [netrek-dev] netrek-dev Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1294423204.5507.netrek-dev@us.netrek.org>
References: <mailman.1.1294423204.5507.netrek-dev@us.netrek.org>
Message-ID: <4172310868685810517@unknownmsgid>

Don't think that will be a problem. The trunk of mactrek has a fix for
the embedded server but still suffers a performance issue in the
PainterFactory with backgrounds on a 2560x1600 display. If you have
improvements in that area I would love to take them in.

Sent from my iPhone

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>> Opportunity to get Netrek client for OSX into the Mac App store?
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> App store is live. Pretty nice as well!
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> Need to patch to 10.6.6.
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> that iOS apps go through.
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From jrd at gerdesas.com  Sat Jan  8 07:20:07 2011
From: jrd at gerdesas.com (John R. Dennison)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 07:20:07 -0600
Subject: [netrek-dev] netrek-dev Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <4172310868685810517@unknownmsgid>
References: <mailman.1.1294423204.5507.netrek-dev@us.netrek.org>
	<4172310868685810517@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <20110108132006.GH16848@frodo.gerdesas.com>

On Sat, Jan 08, 2011 at 01:33:45PM +0100, Chris Lukassen wrote:
> Don't think that will be a problem. The trunk of mactrek has a fix for
> the embedded server but still suffers a performance issue in the
> PainterFactory with backgrounds on a 2560x1600 display. If you have
> improvements in that area I would love to take them in.

	Is mactrek still tcp only or has this problem since been
	corrected?  If not, is udp support planned?



							John

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From chris.lukassen at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 13:33:17 2011
From: chris.lukassen at gmail.com (Chris Lukassen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 20:33:17 +0100
Subject: [netrek-dev] netrek-dev Digest, Vol 66, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1294509603.22613.netrek-dev@us.netrek.org>
References: <mailman.1.1294509603.22613.netrek-dev@us.netrek.org>
Message-ID: <FDDCC00A-BE4D-4284-A526-6E030E46D3C3@gmail.com>


UDP is actually in there, but I never got it working properly, mainly because the details of the protocol eluded me. I guess nowadays I could setup a tcpdump to see what actually happens between COW and the server to get it right. 

I think it would be good to throw out the entire objective C network stack and see if we could steal from COW. It would also be easier to maintain.

On 8 Jan 2011, at 19:00, netrek-dev-request at us.netrek.org wrote:

> Is mactrek still tcp only or has this problem since been
> 	corrected?  If not, is udp support planned?



From netrek at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 15:26:22 2011
From: netrek at gmail.com (Zachary Uram)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:26:22 -0500
Subject: [netrek-dev] latency in client/server architecture
Message-ID: <AANLkTikzZwQoa=69U20j5-c6J0z3UA-U6Ogt13VpMO7y@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps Vanilla can benefit from this analysis:

http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Latency_Compensating_Methods_in_Client/Server_In-game_Protocol_Design_and_Optimization

Zach

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From quozl at us.netrek.org  Sun Jan  9 16:28:36 2011
From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:28:36 +1100
Subject: [netrek-dev] netrek-dev Digest, Vol 66, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <FDDCC00A-BE4D-4284-A526-6E030E46D3C3@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1294509603.22613.netrek-dev@us.netrek.org>
	<FDDCC00A-BE4D-4284-A526-6E030E46D3C3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110109222836.GA9798@us.netrek.org>

On Sat, Jan 08, 2011 at 08:33:17PM +0100, Chris Lukassen wrote:
> UDP is actually in there, but I never got it working properly, mainly
> because the details of the protocol eluded me. I guess nowadays I
> could setup a tcpdump to see what actually happens between COW and the
> server to get it right.

On Gytha, the python client, the UDP implementation is much better
exposed than on COW, since it was added early on, rather than being
attched like dangling spaghetti.  You may find the code useful for
understanding the protocol.  It even has a write-up of the sequence.

-- 
James Cameron
http://quozl.linux.org.au/


From quozl at us.netrek.org  Sun Jan  9 18:35:27 2011
From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:35:27 +1100
Subject: [netrek-dev] latency in client/server architecture
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikzZwQoa=69U20j5-c6J0z3UA-U6Ogt13VpMO7y@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikzZwQoa=69U20j5-c6J0z3UA-U6Ogt13VpMO7y@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110110003527.GE14994@us.netrek.org>

On Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 04:26:22PM -0500, Zachary Uram wrote:
> Perhaps Vanilla can benefit from this analysis:

How?  And why only Vanilla?

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From netrek at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 19:06:50 2011
From: netrek at gmail.com (Zachary Uram)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:06:50 -0500
Subject: [netrek-dev] latency in client/server architecture
In-Reply-To: <20110110003527.GE14994@us.netrek.org>
References: <AANLkTikzZwQoa=69U20j5-c6J0z3UA-U6Ogt13VpMO7y@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110110003527.GE14994@us.netrek.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2Jz8+C0M89zkX_yKsSXEPBmzYJhHhzCMywOBQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 7:35 PM, James Cameron <quozl at us.netrek.org> wrote:
>
> How? ?And why only Vanilla?

Clients too. Doing what article says.

Zach


From quozl at us.netrek.org  Sun Jan  9 19:23:14 2011
From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:23:14 +1100
Subject: [netrek-dev] latency in client/server architecture
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik2Jz8+C0M89zkX_yKsSXEPBmzYJhHhzCMywOBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikzZwQoa=69U20j5-c6J0z3UA-U6Ogt13VpMO7y@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110110003527.GE14994@us.netrek.org>
	<AANLkTik2Jz8+C0M89zkX_yKsSXEPBmzYJhHhzCMywOBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110110012314.GJ14994@us.netrek.org>

On Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 08:06:50PM -0500, Zachary Uram wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 7:35 PM, James Cameron <quozl at us.netrek.org> wrote:>> How? ??And why only Vanilla?
> Clients too. Doing what article says.

Which part?

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James Cameron
http://quozl.linux.org.au/


From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Jan 11 17:00:02 2011
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:00:02 -0600
Subject: [netrek-dev] The Mac App Store will open soon. Submit your apps
	today.
References: <201BE823-E63B-4DE5-AC94-2088AC9F2622@netrek.org>
Message-ID: <igindi$a6t$1@dough.gmane.org>

As I stumbled around the Mac App store looking for "how to get netrek 
in there" I found this email on the Adium mailing list (another GPL 
licensed project)

<snip>


On Jan 11, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Evan Schoenberg, M.D. wrote:

I just got off the phone with Karen Sandler, our legal representative 
at SoftwareFreedom.org, the not-for-profit firm which provides lawyery 
goodness to the IMF and therefore us.

In the current agreement for the App Store - on all platforms - there 
are several provisions which restrict distribution. ?These are 
incompatible with the GPL. ?If we were to submit Adium to the App 
Store, any contributor - which includes contributors to underlying 
libraries like libpurple, libglib, or libintl - could (1) sue us 
directly and (2) activate the deauthorization provision in the GPL to 
remove our right to use the code, both because we would have knowingly 
violated the GPL.

The only ways around this would be:
1) Every contributor agrees to allow Adium to be submitted. This would 
require all libraries' contributors. ?It's completely infeasible to 
contact the 1000+ people that would include... not to mention that one 
or more would almost certainly object on free software principles.

OR

2) Have Apple modify the license to allow for the GPL.

Apple, according to Karen, generally dislikes the GPL, and (2) is 
therefore unlikely. ?However, she has a contact within Apple's legal 
team and is going to make a few inquiries... although the VLC takedown 
was quite public, it's unknown if a request for such a modification has 
really been attempted, either through usual App Store channels or 
through a direct appeal to Jobs himself.

-Evan

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