The ORBS people sure don't make it easy to figure out HOW to use ORBS to secure your network. MAPS has a great step-by-step. I cannot find the config on ORBS web site on how to config sendmail to use ORBS. I know I'll use something similar to the MAPS stuff, but I cannot find the IP addresses I need to snarf the data from. -- Bob Tanner <tanner at real-time.com> | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9