Quoting dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu): > relays.orbs.org, I believe. That is what I used. I don't understand they left off the "4" thing then. -- Bob Tanner <tanner at real-time.com> | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9