Why not just figure out what packages you need updated, and if you really do need them updated, then grab the individually? Or if you're really keen on the idea of doing a full update, doesn't it have some handy interface for doing so? I know yast in SuSE has a subsection for doing just that, I'd assume Red Hat (and thus mandrake) have something similar. As for us smack users, we hate updates. Most still get cranky when you mention glibc2. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe at mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help at mn-linux.org