> Palo Alto (we need a Fry's here). Case outlet (http://www.caseoutlet.com), > check out the black Yeong Yang cube server. It's only 13 inches high > though, seems kinda small. not at all. I've got one; and the people here at Real-Time will attest that it's a pretty kickass case. easy drive access; *lots* of fan space; easy mobo access. my only gripes with it are that a. routing cables is a bit of a pain, since you have to go around the dividing center wall. b. the front panel is held on by flimsy spring clips, and you need to take the front panel off to get the sides off. for those who haven't seen what we're talking about; it's a black almost-cube; sort of like a smaller version of the double-wide server cases. the mobo goes on one side; and the drives on the other. ventilation is *really* good; and there is space for all the drives most people will likely want to put in there. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700