Hi all- I've seen a lot of threads in here pertaining to IBM and the Z series, and I was curious is anyone here aware of IBM's Multiprise series for 390 arch? These are actually small 390 arch boxes used (to great effect) for VM, MVS, and yes, Linux. IBM also produces a Linux specific engine (processor for you Intel folks), that they are REALLY trying to get out to market. IBM really wants to see their Linux initiative succeed, they would be very helpful (IMHO) to anyone looking to help them further their Linux platforms in the market. I'd suggest checking into one of these little puppies, to my recollection, they can be had for around 50K, they have internal disk (no directors, Escon or disk cabinets to buy), and will run VM, Linux, LPARs, MVS, and the VIF (Virtual Imaging Facility for Linux from IBM). I work where there are many frames, none of mine are "owned" by IBM, I have contracts for support, same as any other hardware from vendors, but IBM cannot tell me what to do with my hardware. They do, however, have a very nice program for trades, besides, the brokers for these things are always looking for more to sell, they'll find you an upgrade if IBM won't. I'd honestly suggest talking to IBM about it, I don't see a need for the head-first swan dive into a Z-Series refrigerator, but a nice MultiPrise 2000 or 3000 would fit the bill and handle your ideas quite nicely. The Multis also come with a Gen6 (ZSeries) engine, or (Ibelieve) you can buy them with the Linux Specific engines only and save some money. Your other advantage here is that you get IEEE FPU on these chips, the Gen4s and previous did not have this and the SuSE distro emulates it, this slows the box down somewhat,. I think you've got a good basis for some relationship with IBM here, you've got enthusiasm and Linux know how, if you think IBM is brimming over with Linux geniuses, you'd be wrong, they have their share, but at the 390 presentations I've seen (all 3 of them), they have the mainframe know-how, and they can get it running, but then they are somewhat lost, they didn't even know what the LRP (Lin Router Project) was, they were going over how to route out of the 390 with a CMS router VM (they weren't even too sure about that). It seems that a lot of mainframers are seeing this as a good way to breathe new life into their favorite OS and hardware and a lot of Linux people are viewing this as a good move to one really wicked platform. The only gap here, and it is big at some points, is the need for knowledge from both sides of the table. IBM is trying to make that less of an issue with their VIF, but it's still daunting to many Linux people. I encourage any steps you take towards this and will look forward to what sort of decisions might be made. Thanks for you time, MButler