Jamie syays something like: One > of the major stumbling blocks of making my system look old > is the cdrom > drive. The plastic tray that slides out just wont have the > same effect > hence my search for a cdrom that loads without the tray. Brian replies: They make generic trayless IDE CD drives. I used to see them at Best Buy all the time. They were slightly more expensive than a standard CD with the tray, but they were 100% ATAPI compliant clones. I'd try Compusa/Micro Center and see if you can find one. I was looking for one a few years ago and had no trouble finding them all over the place.