People are starting to get a clue again. "It's so easy that each user can administrate their own workstation." Yeah, sure. Anyway, fixing it isn't so hard to do. Check out http://www.ltsp.org (Linux Terminal Server Project, except its not a terminal server, it just has that name to appeal to market droids familiar with NT4 Terminal Server Edition.) On the Windows side of thing, Windows 2000 supports thin client soultions via RDP. But, do to some fun licensing agrements with Citrix, they can't create RDP clients for anything but Windows based platforms. Fret not, there is a working RDP client at http://www.rdesktop.org (ok, you have to apply a patch from http://bibl4.oru.se/projects/rdesktop/ for it to be really functional.) I use this on a daily basis to admin 2000 servers from my Linux workstation. Now, back to that wierd licensing issue. Citrix (http://www.citrix.com) has a addon to NT4TSE and Win2K called Metaframe that add's to the features of the Windows application server. Their protocol, ICA, is even more optimized for low bandwith connections, and they're clients support every platform under the sun. (Just look at http://www.citrix.com/download) Also with Metaframe you get better managment tools (espically with the new Metaframe XP) better security (up to 128bit SSL), true color support (RDP is limited to 256), and lots of other neat stuff I'm forgeting. Down side is, it's rather costly. So there are soultions in this world. Check out LTSP, join their mailing list. (I lurk there.) UNIX never forgot how to do this stuff, Windows had to reinvent it... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055