I had a small discussion about this with someone off list, and he figured that this is sure to go off-list soon. in my off list email i stated that i could put up a mail list for it, if anyone thinks that it would be a good idea. I expresed interest in hosting such a projet (mail list and site...) on my box, ive got a dell 2300 to myself, with not a whole lot of activity... Should i create the list, and announce it later when it is ready to move this out of here? looking to help in any way i can, duncan -- || || || || || || duncan shannon duncan at sodatrain.com