I've got sound working; sort of. probalem with xmms was that when I su -'ed to myself (to try the new permission group setting), it didn't set the DISPLAY variable. :( so now that's solved; and I do get *some* sound output; but it's really faint. admittedly, I'm using some tiny, unpowered speakers; but even with the volume turned all the way up (tried with both 'asmix' and 'volume') it's really faint. it should be louder than this. anyone know other ways to turn up the volume? my other sound systems were all run off SB16's (which had an honest-to-God volume wheel on them); or had powered speakers. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700