Know, I now Randsom is not 100% open source lover, so I figured Cosmos, now Volution would be commercial. The beta was cool. The concept is even cooler. http://www.caldera.com/products/volution/ But, the cost is nasty. Real Time has a "small" network, around 100 linux machines (estimate from Netsaint for hosts). $2,995.00 for 10-node license $2,419.95 for 20-node license $2,419.95 for 20-node license $2,419.95 for 20-node license $2,419.95 for 20-node license $2,419.95 for 20-node license ----------------------------- $15,094.75 for 110 node licenses Using their Break Even calculator I get this: Volution License Costs Price of server $2,995.00 Server price includes 10 nodes Price per node $145.00 One-Time cost of Volution Cost of Volution server licenses $269550 Cost of Volution nodes $0 Total cost of Volution $269550 Time to break even 276.46 year(s) It it's going to take 276 years to break even, what's the point!? Must be a bug. Anyone else wanna try out the "savings" of using Volution? http://www.calderasystems.com/products/volution/breakeven/ -- Bob Tanner <tanner at real-time.com> | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9