> I went to jbuilder and it crashes on my constantly. jbuilder does this to me even on win32 machines > > I tried Forte and it's god-awful slow. that's 'cuz it's all java based and is trying to debug and run it's own JVM stuff... I don't know of any good GUI *nix IDE's at all other than POSSIBLY Komodo, but last I saw it doesn't handle Java - just JavaScript... Can you run the Sun command line debugger? Liz -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry at winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html