> Unions have no place in the IT/IS field. I would have to disagree. Unfortunatly, I've been in a position where I've felt it nessecary to use collective bargaining to get what we wanted. What was it? We wanted to be treated fairly, and not have to leave our jobs. This isn't to say that we couldn't get better paying jobs elsewhere, it's just that we like the place we work so much that we didn't WANT to leave. We felt the only way we could get people to listen to our concerns was to threaten to leave as a whole. It is amazing how quickly people start listening when the entire IS department threatens to walk off the job. They wouldn't have listened if only a few people made that descision. Maybe we didn't technically have a union, but we were a union in spirit. For another example of a white colar union, take a look at Boeing. In the mid-90s, many of the engineers there felt that the company was headed in the wrong direction, and felt that their concerns were not being addressed. They loved working there so much that they couldn't stand to see the company suffer due to the acts of a few people in upper management. They decided to unionize, and did in fact go on strike. That brought on changes very quickly, and the people I've talked to about it generally regard it as a positive experience. Unionizing is sometimes the only way to be effectively heard and respected. Sad but true. ok i'm done. Ben ----- Benjamin Exley Information Systems Manager The Minnesota Daily bexley at mndaily.com (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3190