http://www.sanction.net/ Theres a WCCO report there, they think that this is *gasp* new stuff. Sadly, they make it appear that its UMN's problem that one of the schools. Also, WCCO used it to freak people out by claiming that identity theft and other incidius things will happen to people. This assumes people are stupid enough to use 'dumb' service providers for the rest of their real life activities. Perhaps we need to be fixing that instead of our WLANS, eh? Anyhow, I propose that people try contacting both WCCO and sanction and try and get the TCWUG (www.tcwug.org) list out there to normal users, to keep these 'security professionals' (who go onto other peoples networks, view files, print on their printer, and gain private information without permission) from profiting from such sensationalism and to allow users and admins to create a local peer group on these issues. Thanks. (subs to tcwug right now....) -- Scott Dier <dieman at ringworld.org> <sdier at debian.org> http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos at irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation!