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>    1. new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Austad, Jay)
>    2. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Jay Kline)
>    3. dpkg override (Timothy Wilson)
>    4. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Florin Iucha)
>    5. Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues (andy at theasis.com)
>    6. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Jack Ungerleider)
>    7. RE: Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues (James Spinti)
>    8. Re: dpkg override (Dave Sherohman)
>    9. RE: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Austad, Jay)
>   10. RE: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Austad, Jay)
>   11. Debian install (Shawn)
>   12. Re: dpkg override (Jim Crumley)
>   13. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Nate Straz)
>   14. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Nate Straz)
>   15. Backgrounding processes? (Simeon Johnston)
>   16. Re: dpkg override (Timothy Wilson)
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> Message: 1
> From: "Austad, Jay" <austad at marketwatch.com>
> To: "'tclug-list at mn-linux.org'" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:14:49 -0600
> Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
> I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to 2.4.13.  All
of
> my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option.  It works
> great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new kernel, I get a
> kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs.
>
> I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and also tried it
as
> a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs option.
> I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that doesn't work either.
>
> Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening?
>
> Jay
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> From: Jay Kline <list at slushpupie.com>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:08:50 -0600
> Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
> It will most certainly not work as a module if all your partitions are
> reiserfs.  It needs to be able to read the filesystem the modules are
located
> on, and thus the kernel must have one fs built in, which should be your
root
> partition (and where your modules should be).  Of course, there are always
> exceptions out there, but as a general rule, thats how it works.
>
> As for why you can boot with an all reiserfs, I had the same trouble in
> 2.4.11+.  I have not been able to get a single build on my system to boot.
> So here I sit at 2.4.9 and am pretty happy thus far. I have heard a few
other
> strange things with the newer kernels anyway.
>
> A little off topic, but has anyone noticed the absence of a development
> branch in the kernel? As a result, it seems more bugs have poped up.
>
> Jay
>
> On Monday 19 November 2001 09:14 pm, you wrote:
> > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to 2.4.13.  All
of
> > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option.  It
works
> > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new kernel, I get
a
> > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs.
> >
> > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and also tried it
as
> > a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs
option.
> > I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that doesn't work either.
> >
> > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening?
> >
> > Jay
> > _______________________________________________
> > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul,
> > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> --
> Jay Kline
> list at slushpupie.com
> http://www.slushpupie.com
> --
> question = ( to ) ? be : ! be;
> -- Wm. Shakespeare
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:55:27 -0600 (CST)
> From: Timothy Wilson <wilson at visi.com>
> To: TCLUG <tclug-list at lists.real-time.com>
> Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg override
> Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade
produced
> a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled (while
> keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the CGI
scripts
> are gone. As a result, requests for
> http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because there
> are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/.
>
> I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried
> # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb
>
> hoping that the scripts would get reinstalled. No luck.
>
> What's the most elegant way to get this working? I don't want to delete my
> existing lists.
>
> -Tim
>
> --
> Tim Wilson      |   Visit Sibley online:   | Check out:
> Henry Sibley HS |  http://www.isd197.org   | http://www.zope.com
> W. St. Paul, MN |                          | http://slashdot.org
> wilson at visi.com |  <dtml-var pithy_quote>  | http://linux.com
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:14:22 -0600
> From: "Florin Iucha" <florin at iucha.net>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
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> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to 2.4.13.  All
=
> of
> > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option.  It
works
> > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new kernel, I get
a
> > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs.
> >=20
> > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and also tried it
=
> as
> > a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs
option.
> > I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that doesn't work either.
> >=20
> > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? =20
>
> The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in the kernel,
> not as a module.
>
> florin
>
> --=20
>
> "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is."
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 02:05:37 -0600 (CST)
> From: <andy at theasis.com>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues
> Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
>
> I have some back issues of Linux Journal that I need to dump, due to space
> considerations. These include all of years 1997 through 2000, as well as
> April, Sept, Nov, Dec 1996.
>
> I'm happy to give them away free to the TCLUG.
>
> First priority is a LUG library, if anyone is interested in creating &
> maintaining one.
>
> Second priority is the first individual to express interest via private
> email (NOT the list),
> BUT...
>
>  - I'd really like to part with all at once.
>  - I don't want to bother with anything less than complete years.
>  - You gotta come get them (at a mutually convenient location).
>
> Any that are not out of my house by about the first week of December will
> be recycled.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> From: Jack Ungerleider <jack at jacku.com>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:38:34 -0600
> Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
> On Monday 19 November 2001 22:08, you wrote:
> > A little off topic, but has anyone noticed the absence of a development
> > branch in the kernel? As a result, it seems more bugs have poped up.
> >
> > Jay
> >
>
> Check out lwn.net for November 15. Its their lead story.
>
>
> --
> Jack Ungerleider
> jack at jacku.com
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> From: "James Spinti" <jspinti at dart.dartdist.com>
> To: "Tclug-List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:45:49 -0600
> Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
> I have space here at work where I could create a library.  Only problem is
> that I am in Chaska, a bit outside the beaten path.  My own library is a
bit
> thin, but would be willing to make it accessible as well.   I do have the
> electronic versions of O'Reilly's Networking and Basic Unix library (DNS &
> Bind, TCP/IP, Building Internet Firewalls, Unix & Internet Security and
> Sendmail on one, vi, Unix in a Nutshell, sed & awk, Korn shell and
Learning
> Unix on the other), which I would be willing to make part of the library.
>
> If someone is willing to do the programming of a web interface and set up
> the database, I would be willing to handle the mailing/retrieving of
loaned
> items.  Besides, that way I could peruse more books without having to buy
> them :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> James Spinti
> jspinti at dartdist.com
> 952-368-3278 x396
> fax 952-368-3255
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy at theasis.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:54 AM
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues
>
>
>
> I have some back issues of Linux Journal that I need to dump, due to space
> considerations. These include all of years 1997 through 2000, as well as
> April, Sept, Nov, Dec 1996.
>
> I'm happy to give them away free to the TCLUG.
>
> First priority is a LUG library, if anyone is interested in creating &
> maintaining one.
>
> Second priority is the first individual to express interest via private
> email (NOT the list),
> BUT...
>
>  - I'd really like to part with all at once.
>  - I don't want to bother with anything less than complete years.
>  - You gotta come get them (at a mutually convenient location).
>
> Any that are not out of my house by about the first week of December will
> be recycled.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul,
Minnesota
> http://www.mn-linux.org
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:27:07 -0600
> From: Dave Sherohman <esper at sherohman.org>
> To: TCLUG <tclug-list at lists.real-time.com>
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dpkg override
> Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade
produced
> > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled
(while
> > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the CGI
scripts
> > are gone. As a result, requests for
> > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because
there
> > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/.
> >
> > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried
> > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb
>
> Have you tried
>
> apt-get install --reinstall mailman
>
> ?
>
> --
> When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists
> have already won. - reverius
>
> Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> From: "Austad, Jay" <austad at marketwatch.com>
> To: "'tclug-list at mn-linux.org'" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:42:36 -0600
> Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
> > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in
> > the kernel, not as a module.
>
> This is not true though.  That's what the initrd (Initial Ramdisk) is for.
> The initrd image is loaded into memory before the kernel, and when the
> kernel boots, it loads modules from the initrd image (which is ext2, and
yes
> I have ext2 built into the kernel).  Mandrake makes reiserfs as a module,
> and since it's loaded into their initrd image, I'm able to boot fine with
> it.
>
> But for some reason when compiling a new kernel, and making a new initrd
> image, I cannot boot.
>
> Jay
>
>
>
> >
> > florin
> >
> > --
> >
> > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is."
> >
> > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6  03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4
> >
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> From: "Austad, Jay" <austad at marketwatch.com>
> To: "'tclug-list at mn-linux.org'" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:53:27 -0600
> Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
> Also, I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel also, not as a
> module.  And I still have the same problem.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Florin Iucha [mailto:florin at iucha.net]
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:14 PM
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to
> > 2.4.13.
> > > All of my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the
> > notails option.
> > > It works great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new
> > > kernel, I get a kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs.
> > >
> > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and
> > also tried
> > > it as a module with an initrd image created with the --preload
> > > reiserfs option. I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that
> > > doesn't work either.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening?
> >
> > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in
> > the kernel, not as a module.
> >
> > florin
> >
> > --
> >
> > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is."
> >
> > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6  03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4
> >
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> From: Shawn <fertch at mninter.net>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:54:22 -0600
> Subject: [TCLUG] Debian install
> Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
> I'm going to be installing Debian stable (woody?) in the next couple of
days
> on my firewall/gateway machine.  Dual NIC's, Pentium 120, 32MB ram.  Is
there
> anything in particular I need to watch out for?
>
> I plan on running IPtables on this box instead of IPchains also.  No X
> windows.
>
> I've installed Mandrake, Slackware (my typical distro), SuSe and tried one
> instance of RedHat 6.x but not a Debian install.  Just looking for
pointers,
> pitfalls to watch out for etc.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Shawn
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:10:31 -0600
> From: Jim Crumley <crumley at belka.space.umn.edu>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dpkg override
> Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade
produced
> > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled
(while
> > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the CGI
scripts
> > are gone. As a result, requests for
> > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because
there
> > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/.
> >
> > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried
> > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb
> >
> > hoping that the scripts would get reinstalled. No luck.
> >
> > What's the most elegant way to get this working? I don't want to delete
my
> > existing lists.
>
> Did you try 'dpkg  -r mailman; dpkg -i mailmanblahblahblah.deb' ?
>
> Removing with '-r' the package should leave all of your config files
> intact, so when you reinstall your lists should be ready to go.
> Of course its a good idea to be safe and backup all of the config
> files before hand.
>
> --
> Jim Crumley                  |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List
(TCLUG)
> crumley at fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> Ruthless Debian Zealot       |http://www.mn-linux.org/
> Never laugh at live dragons  |Free Dmitry Sklyarov -
http://faircopyright.org/
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:21:49 -0600
> From: Nate Straz <nate at techie.com>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:14:22PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote:
> > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in the kernel,
> > not as a module.
>
> Not true.  You just have to use an initial ramdisk (initrd) to load the
> module prior to mounting the root FS.  It's the same as if you had your
> scsi driver as a module.
>
> Nate
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:25:05 -0600
> From: Nate Straz <nate at techie.com>
> To: "'tclug-list at mn-linux.org'" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions
> Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to 2.4.13.  All
of
> > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option.  It
works
> > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new kernel, I get
a
> > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs.
> [...]
> > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening?
>
> At any time were you using devfs?
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Nate
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:34:51 -0600
> From: "Simeon Johnston" <simeonuj at nssmgmt.com>
> To: "TCLUG (E-mail)" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes?
> Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
> I have been wondering about something lately and can't figure it out.
> How do I background a process, say a kernel compile, so I don't have to
> sit there and watch it i.e. log in - start process - log out - log in
> later - find process done and everyones happy.
>
> How is this done?
>
> sim
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:37:28 -0600 (CST)
> From: Timothy Wilson <wilson at visi.com>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Cc: TCLUG <tclug-list at lists.real-time.com>
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dpkg override
> Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade
produced
> > > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled
(while
> > > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the CGI
scripts
> > > are gone. As a result, requests for
> > > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because
there
> > > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/.
> > >
> > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried
> > > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb
> >
> > Have you tried
> >
> > apt-get install --reinstall mailman
>
> No luck. It still doesn't reinstall the contents of cgi-bin.
>
> -Tim
>
> --
> Tim Wilson      |   Visit Sibley online:   | Check out:
> Henry Sibley HS |  http://www.isd197.org   | http://www.zope.com
> W. St. Paul, MN |                          | http://slashdot.org
> wilson at visi.com |  <dtml-var pithy_quote>  | http://linux.com
>
>
>
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>
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