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> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Bret Baptist
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 11:31
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: Come on now... (was [TCLUG] My final note about
> Smoothwall vs. IPCop)
>
>
> On Friday 17 October 2003 11:21 am, John Hoffoss wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org
> > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Bret Baptist
> > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:00
> > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] My final note about Smoothwall vs. IPCop
> > >
> > > Read below for the true story of Smoothwall from one of the
> > > developers.  If you still don't believe there was a backdoor in
> > > Smoothwall you can continue
> > > to delude yourself.
> >
> > Discuss this stuff all you (meaning everyone) want, but can
> everyone
> > at least refrain from insulting eachother? Telling someone they're
> > deluding themselves is a little less than civil, in my opinion. If
> > everyone stuck to facts (or what they believed were facts)
> a flame-war
> > never starts, but remains an intelligent discussion. Once you start
> > making radical claims and not backing them, (unless you state it is
> > your opinion) or insulting others, the whole discussion degrades to
> > bickering.
> >
> > Just a friendly reminder to be nice (or at least not be mean) to
> > others.
>
> Sorry about that, I should not have responded to an uncivil
> tone with more
> uncivil tones.  I just can't stand when people are snippy
> when they do not
> KNOW the facts.
>
> Bret.

Understandable, and like I said, it's not directed at you, but everyone.
<whiney-voice>Can't we all just get along?</w-v> :)
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