From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 1 02:29:08 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... In-Reply-To: <3F51B2BA.6040904@toyotavans.org> References: <3F51B2BA.6040904@toyotavans.org> Message-ID: Hey, I don't know any config utilities for this guy, it's all PNP I think. Here's the thing... the BIOS has an option for assigning interrupts - you have four you can play with. ONE of them is "Network Controller, Display and UCHI". Which means they're bound, by the BIOS, to use the same IRQ. Now, if I go APIC Ethernet wins, if I go no APIC USB wins. If I disable the IRQ for the video card, it doesn't help! On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, M. Jentges wrote: > Hi Yaron... > > Have you tried (or does it even exist?) the cfg utility for the NIC? > Perhaps it really IS just as simple as an interrupt conflict. Not sure > about the 905's but the 509's had a nifty util called '3c5x9cfg.exe' You > put it on a DOS floppy, boot the box, run the exe and enable/disable > PnP, set io, interrupts, etc... > > Just a thought... > > -Michael Henry Jentges > > Yaron wrote: > > Hey guys, > > > > Here's a fun one. > > > > I've got this machine I've never been able to get USB to work on. Lately > > I've moved it to the 2.6 kernels, and also got some devices that make USB > > somewhat important. > > > > After fiddling around with the kernel for a while I discovered that if I > > disable "Local APIC", USB works just perfectly. > > > > However, the ethernet card doesn't work (3com 3c905). Enable APIC, > > ethernet works again, USB is dead. > > > > I went back to 2.4.21 to test, and it happens there, too. Tried moving the > > ethernet card to different slots, didn't help. BIOS doesn't seem to have > > any special options for this stuff. > > > > Anyone have any idea how to fix this? > > > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 1 03:43:13 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: <200308310105.h7V15Co22252@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200308310105.h7V15Co22252@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: Someone put Solaris 8 on a SPARC4???! On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 webmaster@mn-linux.org wrote: > A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Sat Aug 30 20:05:12 2003. > > Ad: SparcStation 4/110 Mhz/24 MB/2.1 GB/2x CDROM/no keyboard or mouse/Solaris 8 core install: $40/RO -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Mon Sep 1 08:07:49 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 02:29:08AM -0500 References: <3F51B2BA.6040904@toyotavans.org> Message-ID: <20030901080749.A16773@thinkunix.net> Yaron wrote: > I don't know any config utilities for this guy, it's all PNP I think. you're right the 3c905 is a PCI card and should be all plug & pray. > Here's the thing... the BIOS has an option for assigning interrupts - you > have four you can play with. ONE of them is "Network Controller, Display > and UCHI". > > Which means they're bound, by the BIOS, to use the same IRQ. Now, if I go > APIC Ethernet wins, if I go no APIC USB wins. If I disable the IRQ for the > video card, it doesn't help! does the machine have any ISA slots? put a cheap ISA video card in there and disable the video irq. or what about serial console and forget about the video all together? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 1 08:31:24 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... In-Reply-To: References: <3F51B2BA.6040904@toyotavans.org> Message-ID: <3F534A2C.7060805@visi.com> Do you know what IRQ and Memory addresses are being used by each component? ** What Mother board do you have and is it at the latest bios? I've found that an updated bios can fix a lot of problems like this. However be very careful doing this as it does carry some danger. Check the mother board manufacturer to see if they have any bios updates. ** I'm personally a big fan of Tyan mother boards. Tyan builds a solid mother board. They are not super fast like some but they are very stable. Sam. Yaron wrote: >Hey, > >I don't know any config utilities for this guy, it's all PNP I think. > >Here's the thing... the BIOS has an option for assigning interrupts - you >have four you can play with. ONE of them is "Network Controller, Display >and UCHI". > >Which means they're bound, by the BIOS, to use the same IRQ. Now, if I go >APIC Ethernet wins, if I go no APIC USB wins. If I disable the IRQ for the >video card, it doesn't help! > > >On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, M. Jentges wrote: > > > >>Hi Yaron... >> >>Have you tried (or does it even exist?) the cfg utility for the NIC? >>Perhaps it really IS just as simple as an interrupt conflict. Not sure >>about the 905's but the 509's had a nifty util called '3c5x9cfg.exe' You >>put it on a DOS floppy, boot the box, run the exe and enable/disable >>PnP, set io, interrupts, etc... >> >>Just a thought... >> >>-Michael Henry Jentges >> >>Yaron wrote: >> >> >>>Hey guys, >>> >>>Here's a fun one. >>> >>>I've got this machine I've never been able to get USB to work on. Lately >>>I've moved it to the 2.6 kernels, and also got some devices that make USB >>>somewhat important. >>> >>>After fiddling around with the kernel for a while I discovered that if I >>>disable "Local APIC", USB works just perfectly. >>> >>>However, the ethernet card doesn't work (3com 3c905). Enable APIC, >>>ethernet works again, USB is dead. >>> >>>I went back to 2.4.21 to test, and it happens there, too. Tried moving the >>>ethernet card to different slots, didn't help. BIOS doesn't seem to have >>>any special options for this stuff. >>> >>>Anyone have any idea how to fix this? >>> >>> >>>-Yaron >>> >>>-- >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > >-Yaron > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 1 09:22:44 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062426164.1338.4.camel@3po> On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 23:51, Yaron wrote: > Hey guys, > > Here's a fun one. > > I've got this machine I've never been able to get USB to work on. Lately > I've moved it to the 2.6 kernels, and also got some devices that make USB > somewhat important. > > After fiddling around with the kernel for a while I discovered that if I > disable "Local APIC", USB works just perfectly. > > However, the ethernet card doesn't work (3com 3c905). Enable APIC, > ethernet works again, USB is dead. Have you googled around for information on the motherboard chipset? Maybe there's some workaround that you need to enable. In the end, you might just have to try disabling the onboard USB and putting a PCI card in there for that... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Do cosmetologists give / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ make-up exams? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030901/8d0665ee/attachment.pgp From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Sep 1 11:20:05 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... In-Reply-To: <1062426164.1338.4.camel@3po> References: <1062426164.1338.4.camel@3po> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Mike Hicks wrote: > In the end, you might just have to try disabling the onboard USB and > putting a PCI card in there for that... nah... just get a USB Network thingie, i personally recommend the pegasus ones. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 1 11:40:52 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... In-Reply-To: <20030901080749.A16773@thinkunix.net> References: <3F51B2BA.6040904@toyotavans.org> <20030901080749.A16773@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Scot Jenkins wrote: > does the machine have any ISA slots? put a cheap ISA video card in > there and disable the video irq. or what about serial console and > forget about the video all together? Erm, I kinda need the dual-head graphics on this thing (: this is a desktop rather than a server. (plus when I disable the video IRQ, I have the same problems) (oh, and no ISA). -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 1 11:43:57 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... In-Reply-To: <3F534A2C.7060805@visi.com> References: <3F51B2BA.6040904@toyotavans.org> <3F534A2C.7060805@visi.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > What Mother board do you have and is it at the latest bios? I must admit it's a somewhat cheapo mboard. It's a Shuttle AK32E, and Microcenter we selling it with an AthlonXP for $129 a month or two ago. However, it does have UBS2 and it does support APIC. So this seems to me like something Linux is kinda doing wrong. I don't know what memory address it's using, but display, ethernet and one of the uchi's all use IRQ9. APIC moves them around, naturally. And yeah, it is at the latest BIOS - there have been no new BIOS rleases for it since the one it came with... -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 1 11:45:57 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... In-Reply-To: <1062426164.1338.4.camel@3po> References: <1062426164.1338.4.camel@3po> Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Mike Hicks wrote: > Have you googled around for information on the motherboard chipset? > Maybe there's some workaround that you need to enable. Yeah, I looked, didn't find anything. I searched for the USB Timeout error, and got "Disable APIC, worked for me". Yeah, me too except then it kills ethernet... > In the end, you might just have to try disabling the onboard USB and > putting a PCI card in there for that... That I haven't thought of. Good idea... unless it still gives it the same IRQ... -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 1 11:47:17 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... In-Reply-To: References: <1062426164.1338.4.camel@3po> Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Munir Nassar wrote: > nah... just get a USB Network thingie, i personally recommend the pegasus > ones. Another good idea. In fact this one has slightly more chance of working! I wish I got more than 4 hours sleep last night (don't feel like driving) -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Mon Sep 1 13:05:14 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: <20030831185040.GA27528@botwerks.org> References: <64668.216.146.78.74.1062306004.squirrel@mail.fifthstreet.net> <20030831185040.GA27528@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <16211.35418.199325.248323@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Steve --- Is there anything we can do to improve the robustness of our ssh connections in these portal-based systems? I seem to get a lot of dropped connections. I can live with it, but if there's anything I can do to make it better, I'd love to hear it. Thx, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 1 13:22:32 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... In-Reply-To: References: <3F51B2BA.6040904@toyotavans.org> <3F534A2C.7060805@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F538E68.5060203@visi.com> OK now were talking IRQ's. IRQ 9 on an ISA board is the cascade to IRQ 10 - # I know this is an all PCI board but I found it on the web for $42.49, "cheapo" (you said it not me) mother boards sometimes have legacy firmware that is, well cheap. Thats whey they are cheapo motherboards. off subject: any motherboard under $100 is a cheapo unless it's old. Can you move all these to IRQ 5 or 11? If you don't use the IrDa turn it off, I've seen infrared mess up video, serial, and network (to name a few). I did find a chipset driver but I'm afraid it's a windows driver. On the same page I found a BIOS update http://www.shuttle.com/hq/support/download/dwn2.asp?model=AK32E# This is the date and checksum to look for. Date code: 02/07/2003 checksum:7000 1. Fixed FSB133 can't boot issue. 2. Fixed USB device no function after S1 under Win98 I know your running Linux but a USB fix is a USB fix so to speak. Sam. Yaron wrote: >Hey, > >On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > >>What Mother board do you have and is it at the latest bios? >> >> > >I must admit it's a somewhat cheapo mboard. It's a Shuttle AK32E, and >Microcenter we selling it with an AthlonXP for $129 a month or two ago. > >However, it does have UBS2 and it does support APIC. So this seems to >me like something Linux is kinda doing wrong. > >I don't know what memory address it's using, but display, ethernet and one >of the uchi's all use IRQ9. APIC moves them around, naturally. > >And yeah, it is at the latest BIOS - there have been no new BIOS rleases >for it since the one it came with... > > >-Yaron > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 1 12:29:34 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... In-Reply-To: <3F538E68.5060203@visi.com> References: <3F51B2BA.6040904@toyotavans.org> <3F534A2C.7060805@visi.com> <3F538E68.5060203@visi.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > OK now were talking IRQ's. Most likely. > off subject: any motherboard under $100 is a cheapo unless it's old. > Can you move all these to IRQ 5 or 11? I know. This isn't my 'main' machine... but iit kinda evolved into being more and more 'main' than I had originally anticipated. I can't move them, at all. The BIOS has options: PIN 1 (network, display, uchi) PIN 2 (uchi) PIN 3 (echi) PIN 4 (uchi) Yes, uchi is taking up three IRQs. > If you don't use the IrDa turn it off, I've seen infrared mess up video, > serial, and network (to name a few). Yeah, everything that isn't neccesary is turned off. > This is the date and checksum to look for. > > Date code: 02/07/2003 checksum:7000 Yeah, that's the one it came with. Plus I flashed to it to make sure. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 1 17:43:25 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... In-Reply-To: References: <3F51B2BA.6040904@toyotavans.org> <3F534A2C.7060805@visi.com> <3F538E68.5060203@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F53CB8D.3000108@visi.com> OK I'm thinking of the way serial ports work now. This machine has a possible 6 USB / uchi (I think) ports to use. (thinking out loud) Is it possible to turn off 1 or more of the ports, and free up an IRQ I'm looking at the book now.... OK now you can set the USB to have only 2 ports enabled. I believe from what the book shows "all enabled" is the default If you only need 1 USB device select 1 USB Port See if that works and let me know. Yaron wrote: >Hey, > >On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > >>OK now were talking IRQ's. >> >> > >Most likely. > > > >> off subject: any motherboard under $100 is a cheapo unless it's old. >>Can you move all these to IRQ 5 or 11? >> >> > >I know. This isn't my 'main' machine... but iit kinda evolved into being >more and more 'main' than I had originally anticipated. > >I can't move them, at all. The BIOS has options: > >PIN 1 (network, display, uchi) >PIN 2 (uchi) >PIN 3 (echi) >PIN 4 (uchi) > > >Yes, uchi is taking up three IRQs. > > > > >>If you don't use the IrDa turn it off, I've seen infrared mess up video, >>serial, and network (to name a few). >> >> > >Yeah, everything that isn't neccesary is turned off. > > > >>This is the date and checksum to look for. >> >>Date code: 02/07/2003 checksum:7000 >> >> > >Yeah, that's the one it came with. Plus I flashed to it to make sure. > > >-Yaron > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 1 16:43:54 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... In-Reply-To: <3F53CB8D.3000108@visi.com> References: <3F51B2BA.6040904@toyotavans.org> <3F534A2C.7060805@visi.com> <3F538E68.5060203@visi.com> <3F53CB8D.3000108@visi.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > (thinking out loud) Is it possible to turn off 1 or more of the ports, > and free up an IRQ I tried that yesterday... didn't work. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 1 18:03:42 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... In-Reply-To: References: <3F51B2BA.6040904@toyotavans.org> <3F534A2C.7060805@visi.com> <3F538E68.5060203@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F53D04E.8010107@visi.com> You can also control your IRQs manually for PCI devices. This is more work but it is an option. In the book it says you can assign one of the "INT Pins" to a specific IRQ What slot = "INT Pin" is the NIC in. Turn off LPT2, it's taking IRQ 5 from what it says in the book. Assign the slot with the NIC in it to IRQ5. Set the rest to Auto. You can always set the system to use default and start over. Sam. Yaron wrote: >Hey, > >On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > >>OK now were talking IRQ's. >> >> > >Most likely. > > > >> off subject: any motherboard under $100 is a cheapo unless it's old. >>Can you move all these to IRQ 5 or 11? >> >> > >I know. This isn't my 'main' machine... but iit kinda evolved into being >more and more 'main' than I had originally anticipated. > >I can't move them, at all. The BIOS has options: > >PIN 1 (network, display, uchi) >PIN 2 (uchi) >PIN 3 (echi) >PIN 4 (uchi) > > >Yes, uchi is taking up three IRQs. > > > > >>If you don't use the IrDa turn it off, I've seen infrared mess up video, >>serial, and network (to name a few). >> >> > >Yeah, everything that isn't neccesary is turned off. > > > >>This is the date and checksum to look for. >> >>Date code: 02/07/2003 checksum:7000 >> >> > >Yeah, that's the one it came with. Plus I flashed to it to make sure. > > >-Yaron > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 1 17:09:50 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... In-Reply-To: <3F53D04E.8010107@visi.com> References: <3F51B2BA.6040904@toyotavans.org> <3F534A2C.7060805@visi.com> <3F538E68.5060203@visi.com> <3F53D04E.8010107@visi.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > You can also control your IRQs manually for PCI devices. > This is more work but it is an option. > In the book it says you can assign one of the "INT Pins" to a specific IRQ > What slot = "INT Pin" is the NIC in. Yeah, see, I mentioned that. "INT Pin 1" is "Network controller, display and uchi controller". -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Sep 1 18:50:41 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... In-Reply-To: <3F538E68.5060203@visi.com> References: <3F51B2BA.6040904@toyotavans.org> <3F534A2C.7060805@visi.com> <3F538E68.5060203@visi.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > OK now were talking IRQ's. > IRQ 9 on an ISA board is the cascade to IRQ 10 - # ehh? what would THAT do? the reason they cascade IRQ is because x86 architecture only had 7 IRQs to play with, and when they found that that was not enough(doh!) they added 7 more, IRQ2 was not used for anything critical to it was decided that it would become the cascade to IRQ9. (iirc IRQ2 was used for DAT drives, YES the original PCs came this a DAT drive port) Nowadays it is a moot point as PCI devices can and will share IRQs (supposedly :) The problem comes when you still have legacy devices on your motherboard, the ISA bus cannot share IRQs, Serial and Parallel ports cannot either. and i am thinking that a cheapo mobo kept stuff on the older ISA bus even though they did not install any ISA slots. For gits and shiggles tryanother network card, disable PnP OS and disable all legacy devices that you can disable. (floppy, serial, parallel, keyboard(maybe?)) on a typical system you should be able to freeup IRQ3,4,5 and 7. When you disable PnP OS support the BIOS enumerated and assigns IRQs and it eliminates(well, it should) any race conditions that you may get. I would recommend that you enable APIC and then fiddle with the IRQs, does the network card still enumerate? plug it somewhere else, you may need to plug it next to the AGP slot. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Mon Sep 1 21:36:54 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] mounting 2U server in telco rack In-Reply-To: <200308300208.32899.wilson@visi.com> References: <200308300208.32899.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <200309012136.54569.jack@jacku.com> On Saturday 30 August 2003 02:08 am, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I've got an old VA Linux 2U server that I'd like to rack-mount. My rack is > very sturdy telco-style rack by Siemons, rather than a full enclosure rack > that one would find in a server room. Do I need something like the > adjustable angle brackets pictured here: > > http://www.rackmountsolutions.net/Panels_Angles_brackets.asp > > Either side of the rack is U-shaped with a 6" gap between the front and > back threaded holes. Or should I just use a shelf? :-) > > -Tim One the sites I used to work at had a bunch of these racks and we had everything on them. If I remember there were some triangular support brackets that held up the bottom of the cisco router that was the first one in the "stack". The other two had spacer feet and rested on the one below. So I should think you could use these with a little care and the proper supports. Have fun! -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Mon Sep 1 22:23:29 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php question Message-ID: <000b01c37101$947cf8f0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> I'm running a redhat 9.0 server with apache 2.0 and php-4.2.2-17. I had to compile and older version of apache with mod_perl from source, for a program I need to run. I am no longer able to bring up php pages using apache 1.3. What changes do I have to make, so my new install will serve up php? Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Mon Sep 1 22:37:48 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reload hosts file Message-ID: <001d01c37103$94b11660$0a00a8c0@DELL2> I need to add new entries to my hosts file quite often. How can I reload it without a reboot? Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Sep 1 22:58:00 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reload hosts file In-Reply-To: <001d01c37103$94b11660$0a00a8c0@DELL2> References: <001d01c37103$94b11660$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Raymond Norton wrote: > I need to add new entries to my hosts file quite often. How can I reload it > without a reboot? eh? i think you are mistaken, there is no need to reboot, there is no need to reload the file, the resolver looks up the info from that file everytime you make a DNS request. iirc the default sequence is /etc/hosts, NIS databases, the DNS servers as specified in /etc/resolv.conf make a change and try it, you'll notice that it will work. Without rebooting. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Mon Sep 1 23:06:47 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php question In-Reply-To: <000b01c37101$947cf8f0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> References: <000b01c37101$947cf8f0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <1139.192.1.1.23.1062475607.squirrel@dccmn.com> You might want to review: http://dccmn.com/manual/mod/mod_php4/install.apache.html Raymond Norton said: > I'm running a redhat 9.0 server with apache 2.0 and php-4.2.2-17. I had > to compile and older version of apache with mod_perl from source, for a > program I need to run. I am no longer able to bring up php pages using > apache 1.3. What changes do I have to make, so my new install will serve > up php? > > > Raymond > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 2 00:15:23 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reload hosts file In-Reply-To: <001d01c37103$94b11660$0a00a8c0@DELL2> References: <001d01c37103$94b11660$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <3F54276B.7080709@visi.com> Question why do you need to add host names to your host file so often? Just a thought. Raymond Norton wrote: >I need to add new entries to my hosts file quite often. How can I reload it >without a reboot? > > >Raymond > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Tue Sep 2 01:04:58 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] seeking suggestions for iptables front-end In-Reply-To: <20030829030719.GA6032@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20030828151922.887F8BFA9@xmxpita.excite.com> <20030828165542.E406@thinkunix.net> <20030829030719.GA6032@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1062482697.9575.451.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 22:07, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 04:55:42PM -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: > > Personally, I've tried alot of the GUI frontends to iptables and > > usually ended up just coding the ruleset by hand. YMMV. > > I find this to be quite true as well. Most firewalls are quite simple, > especially with iptables state-based filtering. Here's an exceedingly > simple example: > > #!/bin/sh > # Set up default policy > iptables -P INPUT DROP > iptables -P OUTPUT DROP > iptables -P FORWARD DROP > > # Allow all local loopback > iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT > iptables -A OUTPUT -o lo -j ACCEPT > > # First, "whitelist" -- accept established,related connections. Fastest > # processing of incoming packets. Because we accept immediately, > # tracking bandwidth usage by port doesn't work, but who cares? > iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT > > # Next, incoming "blacklists". e.g. modem block from attbi > iptables -N blacklist > iptables -A blacklist -s bad.ip.address -j DROP > > # Drop back TCP packets > iptables -A blacklist -p tcp ! -syn -m state --state NEW -j LOG \ > --log-level INFO --log-prefix "IPT New not syn:" > iptables -A blacklist -p tcp ! -syn -m state --state NEW -j DROP > > # Add blacklist to INPUT > iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j blacklist > > # Hosting these services: ssh, http, https, auth, ftp > iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport ssh -j ACCEPT # Remote access > iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport auth -j ACCEPT # For identd calls > iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport http -j ACCEPT # Web > iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport https -j ACCEPT # Secure web > iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport imap -j ACCEPT # Email > > # You don't want to regulate outgoing traffic, do you? > iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -j ACCEPT > > # If you want to log packets before you drop them via default policy, > # uncomment these: > #iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j LOG --log-level INFO --log-prefix "IPT drop eth0:" > #iptables -A OUTPUT -i eth0 -j LOG --log-level INFO --log-prefix "IPT drop eth0:" > > # Done. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 2 08:08:17 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: <20030831185040.GA27528@botwerks.org> Message-ID: *shrug* Registrant: Country Inn & Suites (COUNTRYINNSUITES-DOM) 1204 S. Ramsey Shakopee, MN 55379 US ... Domain servers in listed order: NS1.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.185 NS2.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.186 NS3.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.187 But we have nothing to do with their room access... Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Sep 2 08:43:33 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Yaron wrote: > Someone put Solaris 8 on a SPARC4???! Heck, a Sparc LX (MicroSPARC @ 50MHz) will run Solaris 8. Not particular *well*, but it will run. I'm happily running Linux on all four of my SS4's. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Sep 2 09:23:59 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reload hosts file In-Reply-To: <001d01c37103$94b11660$0a00a8c0@DELL2> References: <001d01c37103$94b11660$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: On September 1, 10:37 pm "Raymond Norton" wrote: > I need to add new entries to my hosts file quite often. How can I reload > it without a reboot? > As was already stated, there is no need to reboot to have it take effect. But something to consider is why you are making frequent changes. DNS is a much better solution for changing hostnames/ips, as most dhcp clients support dns updates (to a degree). Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Tue Sep 2 10:11:49 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: <16211.35418.199325.248323@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <64668.216.146.78.74.1062306004.squirrel@mail.fifthstreet.net> <20030831185040.GA27528@botwerks.org> <16211.35418.199325.248323@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030902151149.GA55452@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Monday, Sep 01, 2003), rpgoldman@real-time.com was madly tapping out: > Steve --- > > Is there anything we can do to improve the robustness of our ssh > connections in these portal-based systems? I seem to get a lot of > dropped connections. I can live with it, but if there's anything I > can do to make it better, I'd love to hear it. candidly, ssh is the best tunneling mechanism when you have an instable connection. given the use of TCP as a transport mechanism you have all of the benefits of TCP and its connection resilience. brittle tunnel connections are typically symptomatic of considerable underlying network instability or a change in the end systems. most notably, a change in the IP address of the client from the perspective of the remote side (NAT funkiness) (forcing ssh to tear down the connection) and/or the decision of a portal to all of a sudden block packets destined for you. the best solution i've found is to take precautions to insure that when the connections do drop i'm minimally bitten by it. i.e.: use screen. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Tue Sep 2 10:13:58 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: References: <20030831185040.GA27528@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20030902151358.GB55452@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, Sep 02, 2003), Adam Maloney was madly tapping out: > *shrug* > > Registrant: > Country Inn & Suites (COUNTRYINNSUITES-DOM) > 1204 S. Ramsey > Shakopee, MN 55379 > US > ... > Domain servers in listed order: > > NS1.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.185 > NS2.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.186 > NS3.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.187 > > But we have nothing to do with their room access... all nameservers in 1 netblock? doesn't that raise eyebrows? -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Sep 2 09:29:58 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Jima wrote: > Heck, a Sparc LX (MicroSPARC @ 50MHz) will run Solaris 8. Not particular > *well*, but it will run. I know... I installed Solaris 8 on a SparcClassic once. It took 3 days... -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Sep 2 10:44:50 2003 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: <20030902151358.GB55452@botwerks.org> References: <20030831185040.GA27528@botwerks.org> <20030902151358.GB55452@botwerks.org> Message-ID: steve ulrich writes: > when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, Sep 02, 2003), > Adam Maloney was madly tapping out: > > *shrug* > > > > Registrant: > > Country Inn & Suites (COUNTRYINNSUITES-DOM) > > 1204 S. Ramsey > > Shakopee, MN 55379 > > US > > ... > > Domain servers in listed order: > > > > NS1.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.185 > > NS2.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.186 > > NS3.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.187 > > > > But we have nothing to do with their room access... > > all nameservers in 1 netblock? doesn't that raise eyebrows? I suppose it should, but I admit I do it myself for a lot of my domains. Not having servers off my premises, it's much the easiest thing to do. And if my single link is down, I don't really *care* all that much whether anybody else can resolve my names. -- David Dyer-Bennet, , RKBA: Photos: Snapshots: Dragaera mailing lists: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 2 10:46:09 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: <20030902151358.GB55452@botwerks.org> Message-ID: If you can't reach the 3 nameservers then it's unlikely you'd be able to reach the web and e-mail servers. No, I know it's bad karma - I have an agreement for an off-site nameserver, but I haven't thrown the box together yet. It's so far down on my priority list, with everything else I have to do. Rightly so, since the circumstances requiring it are pretty outragous. Our net connections come from two providers over 2 different OC-12's, diverse entry points, SONET, etc. They connect to two different routers on two different cards (PA-A3-T3 and PA-2T3+ into two 7206-VXR/300s), and we have spares of both. All of our gear is on generator-backed outlets running on our own transformer (seperate from the rest of the building). If the transformer goes, we have enough battery to last until the building engineer re-routes our circuits into one of the building's transformers in the same closet. The TWT fiber enters on the East and West sides of the building and terminates in the 5th floor closet, and they have enough battery power to run for a day or two. The Qworst fiber comes into the North side of the building (collapsed ring) into the 1st floor, and is similarly protected by battery. Both plug into diesel outlets, and the generator has fuel enough to run for 3 or 4 days. The Qwest fiber goes to what M.H. calls "The Ghetto" (Bloomington CO). TWT takes two seperate routes to their Minneapolis POP. Of course, if all that breaks we have some PRI's coming over an OC-3 from KMC, and our relationship with them is such that they could turn up an emergency DS-3 pretty quick, and I could just announce out that direction. I could probably even have TDS turn up a couple of emergency T-1's at our Monticello POP, and run my traffic out there. Worst case, we pack sh*t up and drive over to another friendly neighborhood ISP :) We've done that for someone before. On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, steve ulrich wrote: > when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, Sep 02, 2003), > Adam Maloney was madly tapping out: > > *shrug* > > > > Registrant: > > Country Inn & Suites (COUNTRYINNSUITES-DOM) > > 1204 S. Ramsey > > Shakopee, MN 55379 > > US > > ... > > Domain servers in listed order: > > > > NS1.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.185 > > NS2.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.186 > > NS3.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.187 > > > > But we have nothing to do with their room access... > > all nameservers in 1 netblock? doesn't that raise eyebrows? > > > > -- > steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org > PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Sep 2 11:01:18 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh KeepAlive and screen v.s. unstable connections In-Reply-To: <20030902151149.GA55452@botwerks.org> References: <64668.216.146.78.74.1062306004.squirrel@mail.fifthstreet.net> <20030831185040.GA27528@botwerks.org> <16211.35418.199325.248323@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20030902151149.GA55452@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20030902160118.GC13233@skuld.wookimus.net> > Is there anything we can do to improve the robustness of our ssh > connections in these portal-based systems? You may want to force the KeepAlive option in your ~/.ssh/config file, and as Steve suggested, use the screen(1) program. It has saved my butt on no few occassions. It's fairly simple to reattach a detached screen session: shell$ screen -ls There is a screen on: 13135.pts-0.skuld (Detached) 1 Socket in /var/run/screen/S-chewie. shell$ screen -r If you have more than one screen session open, you'll need to specify exactly which one you want to reattach. shell$ screen -r 13135.pts-0.skuld And if these names are ugly, you can create a screen session with a more friendly socket name with: shell$ screen -S meaningful_name Check out the screen(1) manpage for more details. It really is a VERY robust application and EXTREMELY useful. Attaching and detaching sessions is useful in itself, but one of the more interesting features is being able to cut-n-paste between screen sessions as you would in a vi editor. (Other keybindings are available.) screen was written in the days when a DEC 220 terminal was considered vogue. When someone showed me screen at the U in Duluth, I was instantly hooked. I don't start a shell session without it now. Even my simplest firewall installation will have screen installed. -rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 258728 Apr 10 2002 /usr/bin/screen libncurses.so.5 => /lib/libncurses.so.5 (0x40020000) libutil.so.1 => /lib/libutil.so.1 (0x4005e000) libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/libcrypt.so.1 (0x40062000) libpam.so.0 => /lib/libpam.so.0 (0x4008f000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40097000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x401b4000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) Standard libraries. Nothing fancy. Learn it; live it; love it! -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030902/71596f09/attachment.pgp From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 2 11:10:31 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: <20030902151358.GB55452@botwerks.org> References: <20030831185040.GA27528@botwerks.org> <20030902151358.GB55452@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <3F54C0F7.9040903@visi.com> I guess after reading the rant I wasn't shocked. Having use connections from various hotels I can't say I was impressed by any of them. At one place in Denver I finally just used dialup because the ethernet wouldn't work for more then 15 minutes. After all the internet is only for surfing, right? ;o) The hotels use the connections to sell rooms, the point is to sell rooms not make us happy with a connection. Once in are you going to leave because of the connection? I would guess the hotel industry does not understand what is really needed. Look at that whole industry, they pay near poverty level wages to workers. 60 Minutes finds gue all over the rooms. I can't explain what I've heard through the thin walls, jebus is someone hurt! Sam. steve ulrich wrote: >when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, Sep 02, 2003), > Adam Maloney was madly tapping out: > > >>*shrug* >> >>Registrant: >>Country Inn & Suites (COUNTRYINNSUITES-DOM) >> 1204 S. Ramsey >> Shakopee, MN 55379 >> US >>... >> Domain servers in listed order: >> >> NS1.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.185 >> NS2.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.186 >> NS3.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.187 >> >>But we have nothing to do with their room access... >> >> > >all nameservers in 1 netblock? doesn't that raise eyebrows? > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Sep 2 11:34:20 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: spam parody Message-ID: I just finished going through the spam from the weekend. One in particular really annoyed me, so I decided to edit a parody of it. http://beer.tclug.org/funny/sobig.html I could really do better, but that's good enough for me. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Sep 2 11:44:42 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Yaron wrote: > On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Jima wrote: > > Heck, a Sparc LX (MicroSPARC @ 50MHz) will run Solaris 8. Not particular > > *well*, but it will run. > > I know... I installed Solaris 8 on a SparcClassic once. It took 3 days... Okay, that's just scary. A Linux install would probably take about an hour. Maybe more if you're doing a badblocks check. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Sep 2 12:23:19 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: spam parody In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030902122319.00000f24.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:34:20 -0500 (CDT) Jima wrote: > I just finished going through the spam from the weekend. One in > particular really annoyed me, so I decided to edit a parody of it. > > http://beer.tclug.org/funny/sobig.html A great SPAM parody site is http://thespamletters.com Some guy who answers SPAM email pretending to be different characters. Some of his Nigerian SPAM stuff is hilarious. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Sep 2 12:38:45 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reload hosts file In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c37103$94b11660$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <16212.54693.974477.467340@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Jay" == Jay Kline writes: Jay> On September 1, 10:37 pm "Raymond Norton" Jay> wrote: >> I need to add new entries to my hosts file quite often. How can >> I reload it without a reboot? >> Jay> As was already stated, there is no need to reboot to have it Jay> take effect. But something to consider is why you are making Jay> frequent changes. DNS is a much better solution for changing Jay> hostnames/ips, as most dhcp clients support dns updates (to a Jay> degree). I hope this isn't thread-hijacking, but I have been wondering about reloading hosts files, too, because I run a teeny home network behind my firewall. There are a couple of DHCP-issued changing IP addresses, so I had thought about running a DNS, but it seemed like overkill (and previously people on this list had said it WAS overkill). Is there a very simple way to set up a DNS server that will keep track of a small number of hosts, some of whom get their IP addresses from DHCP, and then just farms out all other queries? I imagine many others on the list have the same kind of setup. I looked briefly at djbdns, as being a micro-DNS server, but it was so off the conventional Linux approaches to file location, daemon running, etc., that I just gave up. Thanks, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Sep 2 12:39:47 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: <20030902151149.GA55452@botwerks.org> References: <64668.216.146.78.74.1062306004.squirrel@mail.fifthstreet.net> <20030831185040.GA27528@botwerks.org> <16211.35418.199325.248323@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20030902151149.GA55452@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <16212.54755.218394.702904@gargle.gargle.HOWL> screen! Of course, I should have thought of that! Thanks! R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Sep 2 13:27:52 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030902182752.GC788@iucha.net> On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 11:44:42AM -0500, Jima wrote: > On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Yaron wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Jima wrote: > > > Heck, a Sparc LX (MicroSPARC @ 50MHz) will run Solaris 8. Not particular > > > *well*, but it will run. > > > > I know... I installed Solaris 8 on a SparcClassic once. It took 3 days... > > Okay, that's just scary. A Linux install would probably take about an > hour. Maybe more if you're doing a badblocks check. Solaris takes forever to patch. I have installed Solaris 8 on a SS5/150MHz/256MB and installing all the patches took around 6-8 hours. Cheers, florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030902/9567ec53/attachment.pgp From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Sep 2 13:28:42 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reload hosts file Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDB1C@mail.temgweb.com> If recursive queries are enabled on a DNS server (which they are on Bind), any requests for a domain which it is not authoritative for are automatically resolved the normal way. I believe Bind 9 supports dynamic DNS, so you should be able to use this to do what you want. > -----Original Message----- > From: rpgoldman@real-time.com [mailto:rpgoldman@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:39 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] reload hosts file > > > >>>>> "Jay" == Jay Kline writes: > > Jay> On September 1, 10:37 pm "Raymond Norton" > Jay> wrote: > >> I need to add new entries to my hosts file quite often. How can > >> I reload it without a reboot? > >> > > Jay> As was already stated, there is no need to reboot to have it > Jay> take effect. But something to consider is why you are making > Jay> frequent changes. DNS is a much better solution for changing > Jay> hostnames/ips, as most dhcp clients support dns updates (to a > Jay> degree). > > I hope this isn't thread-hijacking, but I have been wondering about > reloading hosts files, too, because I run a teeny home network behind > my firewall. There are a couple of DHCP-issued changing IP addresses, > so I had thought about running a DNS, but it seemed like overkill (and > previously people on this list had said it WAS overkill). Is there a > very simple way to set up a DNS server that will keep track of a small > number of hosts, some of whom get their IP addresses from DHCP, and > then just farms out all other queries? I imagine many others on the > list have the same kind of setup. > > I looked briefly at djbdns, as being a micro-DNS server, but it was so > off the conventional Linux approaches to file location, daemon > running, etc., that I just gave up. > > Thanks, > R > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Sep 2 14:14:54 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: <20030902182752.GC788@iucha.net> References: <20030902182752.GC788@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20030902191454.GB5920@fandre.com> On Tue, 02 Sep 2003, Florin Iucha wrote: > Solaris takes forever to patch. > > I have installed Solaris 8 on a SS5/150MHz/256MB and installing all > the patches took around 6-8 hours. Too bad Solaris8 requires 64M or else I'd put it on my IPC. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Sep 2 14:23:21 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php question In-Reply-To: <000b01c37101$947cf8f0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> References: <000b01c37101$947cf8f0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <20030902192321.GC5920@fandre.com> Give us some more information. What happens when you try to bring up a php page? Do you see just the raw text? An error message? On Mon, 01 Sep 2003, Raymond Norton wrote: > I'm running a redhat 9.0 server with apache 2.0 and php-4.2.2-17. I had to > compile and older version of apache with mod_perl from source, for a program > I need to run. I am no longer able to bring up php pages using apache 1.3. > What changes do I have to make, so my new install will serve up php? > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at toyotavans.org Mon Sep 1 23:54:49 2003 From: mj at toyotavans.org (M. Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reload hosts file In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c37103$94b11660$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <3F542299.8060101@toyotavans.org> Munir Nassar wrote: > > i think you are mistaken, there is no need to reboot, there is no need to > reload the file, the resolver looks up the info from that file everytime > you make a DNS request. > > iirc the default sequence is /etc/hosts, NIS databases, the DNS servers as > specified in /etc/resolv.conf You can confirm this by reviewing /etc/host.conf -mj _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Tue Sep 2 16:16:17 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: References: <20030831185040.GA27528@botwerks.org> <20030902151358.GB55452@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20030902211617.GA60537@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, Sep 02, 2003), David Dyer-Bennet was madly tapping out: > steve ulrich writes: > > > when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, Sep 02, 2003), > > Adam Maloney was madly tapping out: > > > *shrug* > > > > > > Registrant: > > > Country Inn & Suites (COUNTRYINNSUITES-DOM) > > > 1204 S. Ramsey > > > Shakopee, MN 55379 > > > US > > > ... > > > Domain servers in listed order: > > > > > > NS1.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.185 > > > NS2.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.186 > > > NS3.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.187 > > > > > > But we have nothing to do with their room access... > > > > all nameservers in 1 netblock? doesn't that raise eyebrows? > > I suppose it should, but I admit I do it myself for a lot of my > domains. Not having servers off my premises, it's much the easiest > thing to do. And if my single link is down, I don't really *care* > all that much whether anybody else can resolve my names. ok - if all of my name servers are offline i tend to worry about mail bouncing due to an inability to resolve an MX. of course you're probably popular enough to enjoy the privilege of everyone caching your MX. ;-) *shrug* oddly enough, spammers might make that none too far from the truth. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 2 16:44:35 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: <20030902211617.GA60537@botwerks.org> Message-ID: I believe if MX lookup fails (nameserver unreachable and not in local cache), the sending side will queue it locally and re-try later. > ok - if all of my name servers are offline i tend to worry about mail > bouncing due to an inability to resolve an MX. of course you're > probably popular enough to enjoy the privilege of everyone caching > your MX. ;-) *shrug* oddly enough, spammers might make that none > too far from the truth. > > > > -- > steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org > PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Sep 2 16:52:20 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > I believe if MX lookup fails (nameserver unreachable and not in local > cache), the sending side will queue it locally and re-try later. ..assuming that their dns and mail servers work properly. :) If my MX host is down, I much prefer to know that my mail is going to a backup MX host under my control where I can make sure it sticks around until the primary MX is back up. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Tue Sep 2 17:04:04 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: References: <20030902151358.GB55452@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20030902220404.GB60537@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, Sep 02, 2003), Adam Maloney was madly tapping out: > If you can't reach the 3 nameservers then it's unlikely you'd be able to > reach the web and e-mail servers. > > No, I know it's bad karma - I have an agreement for an off-site > nameserver, but I haven't thrown the box together yet. It's so far down > on my priority list, with everything else I have to do. Rightly so, since > the circumstances requiring it are pretty outragous. uhh - you might want to bump that up the priority list a bit there... the conditions aren't at all outrageous, in fact they're quite realistic, and can happen anytime. the netblock this comes out of is only a /19. some tier 1/2 providers will filter on prefix lengths this long and you won't have quite the visibility to the outside world that you think you do. e.g.: here's how this announcement looks to a very well connected route reflector in europe. from this perspective you only have a single provider to this network through TWT. BGP routing table entry for 207.195.192.0/19, version 14796556 Paths: (2 available, best #2) Not advertised to any peer 4323 19550 198.32.160.35 (metric 270) from 166.49.166.197 (166.49.166.197) Origin IGP, localpref 180, valid, internal Community: 4323:1001 4323:21220 5400:3001 5400:3003 Originator: 166.49.205.2, Cluster list: 0.0.0.116 4323 19550 198.32.160.35 (metric 270) from 166.49.166.196 (166.49.166.196) Origin IGP, localpref 180, valid, internal, best Community: 4323:1001 4323:21220 5400:3001 5400:3003 Originator: 166.49.205.2, Cluster list: 0.0.0.116 as an aside, i haven't seen any AS paths for this network that didn't have 4323 as the first external AS, so if you are multi-homed to different providers you might want to see what options you've got for getting your network(s) out there. some instability on the link(s) or within the network, you get dampened and you drop off the map. mail starts to bounce, customers bitch, etc. the other gotcha here is the fact that this is all on a single network segment, which means you can be hard bitten by an outage on the local network. mercifully, this is pretty trivial to address in a short time period and you've got options for mitigating this (HSRP, VRRP, etc). but if you lose a switch or something nasty happens on this segment you may have some issues which knock dns on its butt for a while, in the meantime mail bounces, customers bitch, etc. > Our net connections come from two providers over 2 different > OC-12's, diverse entry points, SONET, etc. They connect to two > different routers on two different cards (PA-A3-T3 and PA-2T3+ into > two 7206-VXR/300s), and we have spares of both. All of our gear is > on generator-backed outlets running on our own transformer (seperate > from the rest of the building). If the transformer goes, we have > enough battery to last until the building engineer re-routes our > circuits into one of the building's transformers in the same closet. > > The TWT fiber enters on the East and West sides of the building and > terminates in the 5th floor closet, and they have enough battery > power to run for a day or two. The Qworst fiber comes into the > North side of the building (collapsed ring) into the 1st floor, and > is similarly protected by battery. Both plug into diesel outlets, > and the generator has fuel enough to run for 3 or 4 days. The Qwest > fiber goes to what M.H. calls "The Ghetto" (Bloomington CO). TWT > takes two seperate routes to their Minneapolis POP. > > Of course, if all that breaks we have some PRI's coming over an OC-3 > from KMC, and our relationship with them is such that they could > turn up an emergency DS-3 pretty quick, and I could just announce > out that direction. I could probably even have TDS turn up a couple > of emergency T-1's at our Monticello POP, and run my traffic out > there. > > Worst case, we pack sh*t up and drive over to another friendly > neighborhood ISP :) We've done that for someone before. i think that a couple of dns boxen spread around the map would make you happier. ;-) > On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, steve ulrich wrote: > > > when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, Sep 02, 2003), > > Adam Maloney was madly tapping out: > > > *shrug* > > > > > > Registrant: > > > Country Inn & Suites (COUNTRYINNSUITES-DOM) > > > 1204 S. Ramsey > > > Shakopee, MN 55379 > > > US > > > ... > > > Domain servers in listed order: > > > > > > NS1.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.185 > > > NS2.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.186 > > > NS3.SIHOPE.COM 207.195.195.187 > > > > > > But we have nothing to do with their room access... > > > > all nameservers in 1 netblock? doesn't that raise eyebrows? -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Tue Sep 2 17:14:01 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030902221401.GC60537@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, Sep 02, 2003), Nate Carlson was madly tapping out: > On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > > I believe if MX lookup fails (nameserver unreachable and not in > > local cache), the sending side will queue it locally and re-try > > later. > > ..assuming that their dns and mail servers work properly. :) and you'd be surprised how many are illconfigured in this regard, or maybe you wouldn't. having administered some large mail systems i've seen some really nasty burps in this department. having seen a tremendous amount of really broked stuff, i prefer to protect myself against the idiots. > If my MX host is down, I much prefer to know that my mail is going > to a backup MX host under my control where I can make sure it sticks > around until the primary MX is back up. hear hear ... preferrably off a different segment than my dns server. ;-) -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Tue Sep 2 17:28:03 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: spam parody In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F551973.1080801@eworld3.net> *laughs out loud* Thanks Jima! I needed a good laugh! Jima wrote: > I just finished going through the spam from the weekend. One in > particular really annoyed me, so I decided to edit a parody of it. > > http://beer.tclug.org/funny/sobig.html > > I could really do better, but that's good enough for me. > > Jima > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 2 19:48:47 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: <20030902221401.GC60537@botwerks.org> References: <20030902221401.GC60537@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <3F553A6F.30602@visi.com> Note to self: "NEVER POST SEQUENTIAL NAME SERVER ADDRESSES". Has everyone jumped up and down on this one? ;o) Sam. steve ulrich wrote: >when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, Sep 02, 2003), > Nate Carlson was madly tapping out: > > >>On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: >> >> >>>I believe if MX lookup fails (nameserver unreachable and not in >>>local cache), the sending side will queue it locally and re-try >>>later. >>> >>> >>..assuming that their dns and mail servers work properly. :) >> >> > >and you'd be surprised how many are illconfigured in this regard, or >maybe you wouldn't. having administered some large mail systems i've >seen some really nasty burps in this department. having seen a >tremendous amount of really broked stuff, i prefer to protect myself >against the idiots. > > > >>If my MX host is down, I much prefer to know that my mail is going >>to a backup MX host under my control where I can make sure it sticks >>around until the primary MX is back up. >> >> > >hear hear ... preferrably off a different segment than my dns server. >;-) > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeremy at rosengren.org Wed Sep 3 00:50:00 2003 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy A. Rosengren) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: <20030902191454.GB5920@fandre.com> References: <20030902182752.GC788@iucha.net> <20030902191454.GB5920@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3F558108.2080808@rosengren.org> You wouldn't be able to even if you had 64M...Solaris 8 doesn't support the sun4c architecture. Those IPC/Classic cases make great mini-ITX cases, btw. -- jeremy Clay Fandre wrote: >On Tue, 02 Sep 2003, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > >>Solaris takes forever to patch. >> >>I have installed Solaris 8 on a SS5/150MHz/256MB and installing all >>the patches took around 6-8 hours. >> >> > >Too bad Solaris8 requires 64M or else I'd put it on my IPC. > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 3 08:16:04 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: <20030902220404.GB60537@botwerks.org> Message-ID: > the netblock this comes out of is only a /19. some tier 1/2 providers > will filter on prefix lengths this long and you won't have quite the > visibility to the outside world that you think you do. I've never had reachability issues because I'm a /19. A 3rd DNS box wouldn't solve this problem anyways - if a site can't reach my network because they filter on that short of a prefix length, being able to resolve names from a 3rd box in another network doesn't really do them a whole lot of good. > as an aside, i haven't seen any AS paths for this network that didn't > have 4323 as the first external AS, so if you are multi-homed to > different providers you might want to see what options you've got for > getting your network(s) out there. > The other route is prepended to 'ell and back, your looking glass may only be showing you the most preferred routes. It is there. > time period and you've got options for mitigating this (HSRP, VRRP, > etc). but if you lose a switch or something nasty happens on this > segment you may have some issues which knock dns on its butt for a > while, in the meantime mail bounces, customers bitch, etc. > I do run HSRP. If a switch fails, I've got spares. I've got spare patch panels, 100-pairs, and ethernet cables too. There is very little that can break bad enough here to knock primary services off-line, that we can't fix in a VERY short time. Mail is queued at the sending site. Mail bounces after a number of days of delivery attempts - if we're down that long, our business is over anyways. This still doesn't address the fact that if our network is unreachable, DNS doesn't do a whole lot of good, since you won't be able to reach any of our services anyways. I completely agree that it's a good idea, but it's really not as important as it sounds. DNS does little good when the services you're trying to reach are unavailable. Realistically, like Nate said - the only real advantage I could get is having mail diverted to an off-site mailserver that I have control over. But again, mail should be queued for a number of hours before the user is even notified that the message hasn't been delivered yet, and queued for days before it bounces (RFC 2821). This is not the kind of outage you get with a failed switch - this is a big problem. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Sep 3 09:08:12 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Friday! Message-ID: --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, September 5, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Glockenspiel 605 7TH St W St Paul, MN 55102-3043 Phone: (651) 292-9421 Details: It's been a while, and it was a success last time, so we thought we'd try it out again. Good German food, beer, and geeks. Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- The reservation hasn't been made yet, so who knows how fun it'll be this time. ;) More info, et al at http://beer.tclug.org Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Sep 3 09:08:12 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday! Message-ID: --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, September 5, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Glockenspiel 605 7TH St W St Paul, MN 55102-3043 Phone: (651) 292-9421 Details: It's been a while, and it was a success last time, so we thought we'd try it out again. Good German food, beer, and geeks. Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- The reservation hasn't been made yet, so who knows how fun it'll be this time. ;) More info, et al at http://beer.tclug.org Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Sep 3 10:31:19 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: <3F558108.2080808@rosengren.org> References: <20030902182752.GC788@iucha.net> <20030902191454.GB5920@fandre.com> <3F558108.2080808@rosengren.org> Message-ID: <20030903153119.GB7285@fandre.com> On Wed, 03 Sep 2003, Jeremy A. Rosengren wrote: > Those IPC/Classic cases make great mini-ITX cases, btw. > Ahhh, interesting. How about the power supply? Do you need a special size to fit? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cbidler at innominatus.com Wed Sep 3 11:34:03 2003 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (Chris Johnson Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gkrellm's mem and swap In-Reply-To: <20030829185620.Q2491@real-time.com> References: <20030829185620.Q2491@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F5617FB.90901@innominatus.com> tanner@real-time.com wrote: > Anyone able to get gkrellm's mem and swap krells to match what free says? > > How do you have gkrellm configured? > I seems from the inline help that the version of gkrellm I have (2.1.1.4) that you can only get the krells to display in binary megabytes. So, my krells match the output of 'free -m', but not 'free'. -- Chris Johnson Bidler cbidler@innominatus.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Wed Sep 3 13:19:03 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design Message-ID: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> Hey everyone, My broadband was just connected and I have rejoined the Internet age following my four-month stint as a lowly dialup user (with apologies to other lowly dialup users :-). My new place is thoroughly wired and I'm ready to assemble a home network. I was hoping to get some thoughts on the issue. Quick inventory: (1) desktop running Linux and (1) laptop with OS X and Wifi (1) 1-GHz Athlon with 512 MB RAM and loads of HD space (Linux) (1) Dual 650-MHz PIII with 512 MB RAM and 9-GB SCSI disk (Linux) (1) Linksys cable modem (1) Linksys router/firewall (1) Linksys WAP (plenty) network and video connections in each room My thought is that this rig will be a fun learning environment for me so I was planning on using the Athlon for a LAN file server and the PIII as a Web server for my personal Web site. The Linksys router has a dedicated DMZ port that I was planning to use unless someone knows of a good reason not to. I'm using the Athlon as an MP3 source with the SliMP3 MP3 decoder (http://slimdevices.com). This is a really cool product, btw. The SliMP3 streaming software creates a Web page on a high port that can be used to manage playlists and stream songs to various players. I thought of port forwarding to that Web page from the router and putting it behind a .htaccess protected Web page. I'd like to learn LDAP so I was planning to use it for authentication throughout my LAN and as an addressbook for my email apps. I would like to be able to get at the addressbook information from the Internet, but I don't want to expose my more sensitive LDAP parts to the world outside my LAN. Any suggestions? I don't want to allow access to the internal file server if I can help it, but if I need to, I want it to be as secure as reasonably possible. Any advice? -Tim -- Timothy D. Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA email: wilson@visi.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Wed Sep 3 13:34:52 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 01:19:03PM -0500 References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <20030903133452.A26599@thinkunix.net> Timothy Wilson wrote: > My broadband was just connected and I have rejoined the Internet age following > my four-month stint as a lowly dialup user (with apologies to other lowly dialup > users :-). My new place is thoroughly wired and I'm ready to assemble a home > network. I was hoping to get some thoughts on the issue. > My thought is that this rig will be a fun learning environment for me so I was > planning on using the Athlon for a LAN file server and the PIII as a Web server > for my personal Web site. The Linksys router has a dedicated DMZ port that I was > planning to use unless someone knows of a good reason not to. don't most of those router/firewall things put the dmz port on the same network as the rest of the boxes on your "inside" LAN? If so, using the dmz port would be a BAD idea. also the wireless AP, if it's going to be open to the world, should be in a DMZ, a different network from your inside LAN. > I'd like to learn LDAP so I was planning to use it for authentication throughout > my LAN and as an addressbook for my email apps. I would like to be able to get > at the addressbook information from the Internet, but I don't want to expose my > more sensitive LDAP parts to the world outside my LAN. Any suggestions? run your ldap server in a box on your inside network, and create (or find a web-based tool) to access ldap. Restrict access to the website and run it over SSL. something like https://secure.yourdomain.com and put all your important stuff you don't want others to have access to there, eg, webmail, your ldap lookup, etc. If you don't put your webserver in a DMZ, you'll have to port forward to it. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Sep 3 14:03:45 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:19:03 -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > My broadband was just connected and I have rejoined the Internet age > following > my four-month stint as a lowly dialup user (with apologies to other lowly > dialup > users :-). My new place is thoroughly wired and I'm ready to assemble a > home > network. I was hoping to get some thoughts on the issue. > > Quick inventory: > (1) desktop running Linux and (1) laptop with OS X and Wifi > (1) 1-GHz Athlon with 512 MB RAM and loads of HD space (Linux) > (1) Dual 650-MHz PIII with 512 MB RAM and 9-GB SCSI disk (Linux) > (1) Linksys cable modem > (1) Linksys router/firewall > (1) Linksys WAP > (plenty) network and video connections in each room > yummy.... > My thought is that this rig will be a fun learning environment for me so > I was > planning on using the Athlon for a LAN file server and the PIII as a Web > server > for my personal Web site. The Linksys router has a dedicated DMZ port > that I was > planning to use unless someone knows of a good reason not to. > port forward: like port 80 for web stuff to yer web server... I think DMZ opens the whole shebang to the outside.... My RoadRunner IP lease seems to suddenly be changing more frequently - like 10 hour lease times This is a pain in the butt - I have to update my DNS provider with my IP every time it changes Maybe you have a static IP or know a way around lease times as a DHCP client (?) > I'm using the Athlon as an MP3 source with the SliMP3 MP3 decoder > (http://slimdevices.com). This is a really cool product, btw. The SliMP3 > streaming software creates a Web page on a high port that can be used to > manage > playlists and stream songs to various players. I thought of port > forwarding to > that Web page from the router and putting it behind a .htaccess protected > Web page. > > I'd like to learn LDAP so I was planning to use it for authentication > throughout > my LAN and as an addressbook for my email apps. I would like to be able > to get > at the addressbook information from the Internet, but I don't want to > expose my > more sensitive LDAP parts to the world outside my LAN. Any suggestions? > > I don't want to allow access to the internal file server if I can help > it, but > if I need to, I want it to be as secure as reasonably possible. > > Any advice? > > -Tim > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Sep 3 14:56:55 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: <20030903133452.A26599@thinkunix.net> References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <20030903133452.A26599@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20030903195655.GE11521@fandre.com> On Wed, 03 Sep 2003, Scot Jenkins wrote: > don't most of those router/firewall things put the dmz port on the same > network as the rest of the boxes on your "inside" LAN? If so, using the > dmz port would be a BAD idea. > > also the wireless AP, if it's going to be open to the world, should be > in a DMZ, a different network from your inside LAN. > I agree. I have a P90 with 3 nic cards running as my firewall/router. My DMZ hangs off of 1 of those nics and isn't allowed to get back into my internal network. My AP is also on the DMZ, so if someone connects to it they are still off my internal network. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Wed Sep 3 15:19:08 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDB34@mail.temgweb.com> If you want a firewall with real DMZ support, you can download Mandrake MNF. Toss your webserver on one DMZ, and your WAP on another (use VPN to get into your network once connected to the WAP). Most WAP's and wireless cards have interesting packet avoidance algorithms now, so if you have this, you probably don't need to worry too much about someone cracking your WEP key with airsnort or related tools, but still a good idea to put it on a DMZ if you're paranoid like me. > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 2:57 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Home network design > > > > On Wed, 03 Sep 2003, Scot Jenkins wrote: > > > don't most of those router/firewall things put the dmz port > on the same > > network as the rest of the boxes on your "inside" LAN? If > so, using the > > dmz port would be a BAD idea. > > > > also the wireless AP, if it's going to be open to the > world, should be > > in a DMZ, a different network from your inside LAN. > > > > I agree. I have a P90 with 3 nic cards running as my firewall/router. > My DMZ hangs off of 1 of those nics and isn't allowed to get back into > my internal network. My AP is also on the DMZ, so if someone connects > to it they are still off my internal network. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 3 15:44:40 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SoBig Author on TSG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Smoking Gun has the criminal complaint and Jeffy's pic, if anyone's interested. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/sobig1.html Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeremy at rosengren.org Wed Sep 3 15:45:12 2003 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy A. Rosengren) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: <20030903153119.GB7285@fandre.com> References: <20030902182752.GC788@iucha.net> <20030902191454.GB5920@fandre.com> <3F558108.2080808@rosengren.org> <20030903153119.GB7285@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3F5652D8.9020805@rosengren.org> Clay Fandre wrote: >On Wed, 03 Sep 2003, Jeremy A. Rosengren wrote: > > > >>Those IPC/Classic cases make great mini-ITX cases, btw. >> >> >> > >Ahhh, interesting. How about the power supply? Do you need a special >size to fit? > I haven't started the conversion of my old SparcClassic, but there's a write-up at http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/sparc/ that I plan to use as a starting point. It looks like the guy who wrote that summary used a micro-ATX power supply which fit into the clamps on an IPX. -- jeremy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Sep 3 11:45:14 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200309031645.h83GjEY23461@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Wed Sep 3 11:45:14 2003. Name: Clay Fandre Category: computerwanted Subject: Looking for a medium powered desktop system Ad: I am looking for a medium powered desktop system for a family member who's currently running on an old 486. Preferrably a PII-500 or higher. I'm trying to stay under $40. I don't need a monitor. To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Wed Sep 3 16:36:22 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] retrieving a wep key Message-ID: <3F565ED6.8090405@lorenburlingame.com> I am going crazy here trying to get a wep key that was installed on my laptop by my school for use with windows xp pro. I have installed a linux partition and would like to use my school's wireless network but they "only support windows xp pro" and will not give me the key for use with linux (or any other OS). I have tried using Airsnort with no luck (I captured millions of packets with not one interesting packet) and have scoured the windows registry looking for a key, also with no luck. I am assuming that the key is either stored in a file somewhere on the hdd or within the card itself. I am sure that if I do eventually find it, it will be in an encrypted form, but I will cross that bridge when I come to it. The card is a Dell Truemobile 1150 miniPCI (orinoco) deal on a Dell Latitude c640 any help is appreciated LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Wed Sep 3 16:52:55 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] retrieving a wep key Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDB37@mail.temgweb.com> You could look for an older driver for the card that does not have interesting packet avoidance and run airsnort again. I assume they gave you some sort of installer, what if you run strings on it under linux? Maybe you'll get lucky and see it in there somewhere. > -----Original Message----- > From: Loren H. Burlingame [mailto:loren@lorenburlingame.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 4:36 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] retrieving a wep key > > > I am going crazy here trying to get a wep key that was > installed on my > laptop by my school for use with windows xp pro. > > I have installed a linux partition and would like to use my school's > wireless network but they "only support windows xp pro" and will not > give me the key for use with linux (or any other OS). > > I have tried using Airsnort with no luck (I captured millions > of packets > with not one interesting packet) and have scoured the windows > registry > looking for a key, also with no luck. > > I am assuming that the key is either stored in a file > somewhere on the > hdd or within the card itself. > > I am sure that if I do eventually find it, it will be in an encrypted > form, but I will cross that bridge when I come to it. > > The card is a Dell Truemobile 1150 miniPCI (orinoco) deal on a Dell > Latitude c640 > > any help is appreciated > > LB > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Wed Sep 3 16:54:20 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] retrieving a wep key In-Reply-To: <3F565ED6.8090405@lorenburlingame.com> References: <3F565ED6.8090405@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <20030903165420.2bdc2063.list@slushpupie.com> On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:36:22 -0500 "Loren H. Burlingame" wrote: >I am going crazy here trying to get a wep key that was installed on my >laptop by my school for use with windows xp pro. Are you sure its just standard wep? Many schools (SCSU, I know) uses cisco's VPN client on top of the wireless network, and has used 802.1x authentication previously. If its a wep key, the properties box should have the ******** line where the key is, right? (I dont know this for sure) If it does, there are tools available to retrieve passwords stored like that. >I have installed a linux partition and would like to use my school's >wireless network but they "only support windows xp pro" and will not >give me the key for use with linux (or any other OS). Have you tried telling them you are installing for windows xp pro? >I have tried using Airsnort with no luck (I captured millions of packets >with not one interesting packet) and have scoured the windows registry >looking for a key, also with no luck. If its not just wep, this method will fail. Even if it is just wep, it will likely fail anyway. Yes, the algorithm is not strong, but that does not mean its weak. (Most home users will never generate enough packets to really worry about it) >I am assuming that the key is either stored in a file somewhere on the >hdd or within the card itself. The key does get stored into the card at some point, but it must first be stored on the filesystem somewhere to load onto the card (the card will not maintain state after powerloss) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Wed Sep 3 17:52:52 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] retrieving a wep key In-Reply-To: <20030903165420.2bdc2063.list@slushpupie.com> References: <3F565ED6.8090405@lorenburlingame.com> <20030903165420.2bdc2063.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <26131.12.47.38.130.1062629572.squirrel@grok.lorenburlingame.com> Jay Kline said: > Are you sure its just standard wep? yes, standard wep. there is no VPNing going on. > If its a wep key, the properties box should > have the ******** line where the key is, right? (I dont know this for > sure) If it does, there are tools available to retrieve passwords > stored like that. I have tried one such viewer but it would not show the contents of that particular field > > Have you tried telling them you are installing for windows xp pro? I would have to bring it in to the laptop support center and *they* would install the key > > If its not just wep, this method will fail. Even if it is just wep, it > will likely fail anyway. Yes, the algorithm is not strong, but that does > not mean its weak. (Most home users will never generate enough packets > to really worry about it) > yeah, I have given up on this front. > The key does get stored into the card at some point, but it must first > be stored on the filesystem somewhere to load onto the card (the card > will not maintain state after powerloss) hmmm, well I will continue on in my search. thanks for the reply LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Sep 3 19:03:11 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] retrieving a wep key In-Reply-To: <26131.12.47.38.130.1062629572.squirrel@grok.lorenburlingame.com> References: <3F565ED6.8090405@lorenburlingame.com> <20030903165420.2bdc2063.list@slushpupie.com> <26131.12.47.38.130.1062629572.squirrel@grok.lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <20030903190311.3274ae98.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:52:52 -0500 (CDT) "Loren H. Burlingame" wrote: > > Have you tried telling them you are installing for windows xp pro? > > I would have to bring it in to the laptop support center and *they* > would install the key > Ahh, just befriend one of the techs... buy a beer or two for them and they'll think you're their friend and they'll let ya know... -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Wed Sep 3 20:24:26 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <200309032024.26197.wilson@visi.com> On Wednesday 03 September 2003 02:03 pm, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > port forward: like port 80 for web stuff to yer web server... I think DMZ > opens the whole shebang to the outside.... I'm using a Linksys BEFSX41 (http://linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=34&scid=29&prid=433). From what I can tell, plugging a machine into the DMZ port (and enabling the DMZ port of the router) exposes that machine to the Internet completely. What I'm not sure about is how isolated that machine is from the internal network. I *assume* (and we all know how dangerous it is to assume) that it's OK and I'll just run iptables on the Web server if I want to further control access. > My RoadRunner IP lease seems to suddenly be changing more frequently - > like 10 hour lease times > > This is a pain in the butt - I have to update my DNS provider with my IP > every time it changes > > Maybe you have a static IP or know a way around lease times as a DHCP > client (?) I'm using DynDNS (http://dyndns.org/) and it seems to work well. The Linksys router has support for DDNS built-in. Names should continue to resolve properly even if my dynamically-assigned IP address changes. We'll see though. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Wed Sep 3 20:29:26 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: <20030903133452.A26599@thinkunix.net> References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <20030903133452.A26599@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <200309032029.26295.wilson@visi.com> On Wednesday 03 September 2003 01:34 pm, Scot Jenkins wrote: > don't most of those router/firewall things put the dmz port on the same > network as the rest of the boxes on your "inside" LAN? If so, using the > dmz port would be a BAD idea. You're probably right about that. I haven't tried it yet. The Linksys uses 192.168.*.* for the internal network. I don't think it uses a different one for the DMZ port. I think it just restricts traffic between them. Maybe someone else on the list is more familiar with the setup. I plan to get more familiar, but I haven't gotten that far with my network yet. > also the wireless AP, if it's going to be open to the world, should be > in a DMZ, a different network from your inside LAN. What if I use WEP and all the other standard security measures? Would you trust it on the internal LAN then? It's risky, I know, but I'd like to have access to my internal network with the laptop if possible. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Sep 3 22:23:11 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reload hosts file Message-ID: <002101c37293$dfc4c700$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Jay> As was already stated, there is no need to reboot to have it Jay> take effect. But something to consider is why you are making Jay> frequent changes. DNS is a much better solution for changing Jay> hostnames/ips, as most dhcp clients support dns updates (to a Jay> degree). I am adding annoying pop up sites, etc into my host file and pointing them all to 127.0.0.1. I use dansguardian for filtering, but did not want an access-denied page every one of these sites were directed to the 127 address. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Sep 3 22:31:59 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php question Message-ID: <002701c37295$1a6d4c50$0a00a8c0@DELL2> > Give us some more information. What happens when you try to bring up a > php page? Do you see just the raw text? An error message? My PC wants to download it. I need to figure out what the proper syntax would be to build apache from source, including mod_perl, and php. This is what I did for my current install. Anyone know how I would change this to include php? % tar xzvf apache_x.x.x.tar.gz % tar xzvf mod_perl-x.xx.tar.gz % cd mod_perl-x.xx % perl Makefile.PL APACHE_SRC=../apache_x.x.x/src USE_APACI=1 DO_HTTPD=1 EVERYTHING=1 % make && make test && make install % cd ../apache_x.x.x % make install _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From todd at xnewbie.com Thu Sep 4 04:55:05 2003 From: todd at xnewbie.com (Todd Baker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Text display question Message-ID: <004d01c372ca$9e3cf0a0$0500a8c0@baker1> Hi Group I'm having some problems with my text display when I connect to my Linux box and try and run the "man" command with any manual file I get some funky text in the manual page. I pasted a sample of what I'm talking about below any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Todd Baker /******************************************************************************************* ?P|??port=pnum Employ the specified port number for connecting to the database server. ?q|??quick Do not cache the result; print it row by row. This may slow down the server if the output is suspended. ?r|??raw Write fields without conversion. (used with ??batch). ?s|??silent Silent mode: reduce the amount of output. ?S|??socket=snum Employ the specified socket file for connecting to the database server. ********************************************************************************************/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I pasted a sample of what > I'm talking about below any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks Todd Baker > > /******************************************************************************************* > > ?P|??port=pnum > Employ the specified port number for connecting to the > database > server. > > ?q|??quick > Do not cache the result; print it row by row. This > may slow > down the server if the output is suspended. > > ?r|??raw > Write fields without conversion. (used with ??batch). > > ?s|??silent > Silent mode: reduce the amount of output. > > ?S|??socket=snum > Employ the specified socket file for connecting to the > database > server. > ********************************************************************************************/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Thu Sep 4 07:28:45 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Text display question In-Reply-To: <004d01c372ca$9e3cf0a0$0500a8c0@baker1> References: <004d01c372ca$9e3cf0a0$0500a8c0@baker1> Message-ID: <20030904122845.GA17317@refried.org> On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 04:55:05AM -0500, Todd Baker wrote: > Hi Group I'm having some problems with my text display when I connect > to my Linux box and try and run the "man" command with any manual file > I get some funky text in the manual page. I pasted a sample of what > I'm talking about below any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. It could be that your language setting is telling man to print characters that your terminal can't handle. Try running man like this: # LANG=C man foo I've noticed this on Redhat 9 boxes in particular. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From todd at xnewbie.com Thu Sep 4 07:45:42 2003 From: todd at xnewbie.com (Todd Baker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] text display question Message-ID: <005e01c372e2$74439f70$0500a8c0@baker1> Hi Group I'm having some problems with my text display when I connect to my Linux box and try and run the "man" command with any manual file I get some funky text in the manual page. I pasted a sample of what I'm talking about below any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Todd Baker /******************************************************************************************* ?P|??port=pnum Employ the specified port number for connecting to the database server. ?q|??quick Do not cache the result; print it row by row. This may slow down the server if the output is suspended. ?r|??raw Write fields without conversion. (used with ??batch). ?s|??silent Silent mode: reduce the amount of output. ?S|??socket=snum Employ the specified socket file for connecting to the database server. ********************************************************************************************/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If it's RedHat 8.0/9, check /etc/sysconfig/i18n; it probably looks like this: --- snip --- LANG="en_US.UTF-8" SUPPORTED="en_US.UTF-8:en_US:en" SYSFONT="latarcyrheb-sun16" --- snip --- My solution was to change the first line to: LANG="en_US.iso885915" Log out & in, and the problem should go away. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 4 09:22:52 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] retrieving a wep key In-Reply-To: <26131.12.47.38.130.1062629572.squirrel@grok.lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > I would have to bring it in to the laptop support center and *they* > would install the key Find a keyboard sniffer, bring it in for them to install the WEP key, fire up your sniffer, and grab the key? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Sep 4 10:08:31 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] retrieving a wep key In-Reply-To: <3F565ED6.8090405@lorenburlingame.com> References: <3F565ED6.8090405@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <20030904150831.GX1160@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 04:36:22PM -0500, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > I am going crazy here trying to get a wep key that was installed on my > laptop by my school for use with windows xp pro. It's stored in the registry, in plain text, if I recall correctly. Fire up regedit and look around, if you know the SSID for your school try punching that in and search, the wep key will be nearby. If i can get my hands on a windows machine i'll find the exact location for you. Your school is dumb for thinking that this provides any kind of security. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 4 10:28:24 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: <200309032029.26295.wilson@visi.com> References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <20030903133452.A26599@thinkunix.net> <200309032029.26295.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030904152824.GE21476@fandre.com> On Wed, 03 Sep 2003, Timothy Wilson wrote: > What if I use WEP and all the other standard security measures? Would you > trust it on the internal LAN then? It's risky, I know, but I'd like to have > access to my internal network with the laptop if possible. > I actually left some things out. I do allow access from my DMZ back into my internal network, but only for ssh. With ssh you can port forward X11, or just about anything else you need. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Thu Sep 4 10:52:07 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: <20030904152824.GE21476@fandre.com> References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <20030903133452.A26599@thinkunix.net> <200309032029.26295.wilson@visi.com> <20030904152824.GE21476@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1062690727.3f575fa78601f@my.visi.com> Quoting Clay Fandre : > On Wed, 03 Sep 2003, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > What if I use WEP and all the other standard security measures? Would you > > trust it on the internal LAN then? It's risky, I know, but I'd like to have > > access to my internal network with the laptop if possible. > > I actually left some things out. I do allow access from my DMZ back > into my internal network, but only for ssh. With ssh you can port > forward X11, or just about anything else you need. This discussion highlights the dilemma for all of us geeky, but not professional home users. Where on the ease-of-use/unlimited-flexibility security continuum should I be? Is it better to have a drop-dead easy router/firewall like the Linksys product that is probably good enough 99.9% of the time or better to take an old machine (I've got PPro 200 lying around) and build a rock-solid firewall/router that will allow me to have a "real" DMZ, but is also one more machine to maintain? The geeky side of me would love to fiddle around configuring that old PPro as a router/firewall. Unfortunately, the other side of me has little time for such things and needs to chase my kids, mow the lawn, do my homework, etc. -Tim -- Timothy D. Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA email: wilson@visi.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Sep 4 10:12:21 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200309041512.h84FCLH06911@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Thu Sep 4 10:12:20 2003. Name: John Kuster Category: services Subject: mysql/php development Ad: Small international nonprofit in St. Paul looking for php/mysql developer to assist/advise on the development of an interactive web site. The organization desires a site whose dynamic content can be maintained by non-technical personnel. If interested, please contact John Kuster by email at jkuster@sihope.com To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From todd at xnewbie.com Thu Sep 4 04:49:53 2003 From: todd at xnewbie.com (Todd Baker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Text display question Message-ID: <002601c372c9$e45b2f80$0500a8c0@baker1> Hi Group I'm having some problems with my text display when I connect to my Linux box and try and run the "man" command with any manual file I get some funky text in the man page. I pasted a sample of what I'm talking about below any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Todd Baker /******************************************************************************************* ?P|??port=pnum Employ the specified port number for connecting to the database server. ?q|??quick Do not cache the result; print it row by row. This may slow down the server if the output is suspended. ?r|??raw Write fields without conversion. (used with ??batch). ?s|??silent Silent mode: reduce the amount of output. ?S|??socket=snum Employ the specified socket file for connecting to the database server. ********************************************************************************************/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030904/5bd4b318/attachment.htm From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Sep 3 21:09:19 2003 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: <200309032029.26295.wilson@visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 08:29:26PM -0500 References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <20030903133452.A26599@thinkunix.net> <200309032029.26295.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030903210919.A23913@thinkunix.net> Tim Wilson wrote: > On Wednesday 03 September 2003 01:34 pm, Scot Jenkins wrote: > > don't most of those router/firewall things put the dmz port on the same > > network as the rest of the boxes on your "inside" LAN? If so, using the > > dmz port would be a BAD idea. > > You're probably right about that. I haven't tried it yet. The Linksys uses > 192.168.*.* for the internal network. I don't think it uses a different one > for the DMZ port. I think it just restricts traffic between them. Maybe > someone else on the list is more familiar with the setup. I plan to get more > familiar, but I haven't gotten that far with my network yet. my guess all the switch ports are on the same network. putting a box on the dmz port is the same as putting one on your inside network. the only difference being that the dmz port doesn't get the benefits of the "firewalling" the linksys box provides. should be easy to test. enable the dmz port on the linksys, plug a couple boxes into the switch ports on the linksys, let them all use dhcp to get their IP's and run ifconfig on each to see what addresses they come up with. let us know what you find. > > also the wireless AP, if it's going to be open to the world, should be > > in a DMZ, a different network from your inside LAN. > > What if I use WEP and all the other standard security measures? Would you > trust it on the internal LAN then? It's risky, I know, but I'd like to have > access to my internal network with the laptop if possible. no I wouldn't, but I'm paranoid. if you only run a closed wireless AP (not open the the public), and restrict has access to it via MAC address (which can still be spoofed), use ssh tunneling for services you need, etc, you would probably be ok. Probably the "right way" is to vpn from your wireless laptop to the AP (assuming you can) and from there through your firewall and into your inside network. sounds like a pain to setup but probably more secure. personally I wouldn't allow direct access to my inside network from any wireless device, but that's me. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Sep 4 11:14:55 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: <1062690727.3f575fa78601f@my.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 10:52:07AM -0500 References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <20030903133452.A26599@thinkunix.net> <200309032029.26295.wilson@visi.com> <20030904152824.GE21476@fandre.com> <1062690727.3f575fa78601f@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <20030904111455.A2628@thinkunix.net> Timothy Wilson wrote: > This discussion highlights the dilemma for all of us geeky, but not professional > home users. Where on the ease-of-use/unlimited-flexibility security continuum > should I be? Is it better to have a drop-dead easy router/firewall like the > Linksys product that is probably good enough 99.9% of the time or better to take > an old machine (I've got PPro 200 lying around) and build a rock-solid > firewall/router that will allow me to have a "real" DMZ, but is also one more > machine to maintain? > > The geeky side of me would love to fiddle around configuring that old PPro as a > router/firewall. Unfortunately, the other side of me has little time for such > things and needs to chase my kids, mow the lawn, do my homework, etc. In the end, only you can make that decision. It depends on how paranoid you want to be and how much of your life you want to dedicate to running these machines. Your power bill will be a bit cheaper running the linksys and your server room area will be more quiet. As for maintenance, you just need to update the firmware on that linksys whenever they put out a new one. The whole process will probably take 15-30 minutes of your time say once every 6 months or so. As for maintaining a Linux box, there will always be security updates in whatever it is running, and how really knows if they'll change the firewalling software (again) in the 2.6+ kernels. In the past it has changed with every major release of the kernel, meaning you probably need to rewrite/relearn your firewall rules each time. Having said that, I believe the Linux solution is probably the "best" solution and provides ultimate flexibility and is probably more secure, _if_ you set it up properly. It's also more time consuming. If you have a family, I'd suggest plugging in the Linksys and spending more time with your family. Put you head down and go with the flock. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Thu Sep 4 11:24:30 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Text display question In-Reply-To: <002601c372c9$e45b2f80$0500a8c0@baker1> References: <002601c372c9$e45b2f80$0500a8c0@baker1> Message-ID: <3F57673E.8070002@andersonfam.org> I bet you are using redhat (or a derivative therof) right? Here's how to fix the behavior you are experiencing... in the file /etc/sysconfig/i18n, change this line: LANG="en_US.UTF-8" to this: LANG="en_US" You'll probably have to log out/back in to get a new shell and the problem will be solved... -Erik Todd Baker wrote: > Hi Group I'm having some problems with my text display when I connect to > my Linux box and try and run the "man" command with any manual file I > get some funky text in the man page. I pasted a sample of what I'm > talking about below any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks Todd Baker > > /******************************************************************************************* > > ?P|??port=pnum > Employ the specified port number for connecting to the > database > server. > > ?q|??quick > Do not cache the result; print it row by row. This > may slow > down the server if the output is suspended. > > ?r|??raw > Write fields without conversion. (used with ??batch). > > ?s|??silent > Silent mode: reduce the amount of output. > > ?S|??socket=snum > Employ the specified socket file for connecting to the > database > server. > ********************************************************************************************/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at JentgeS.NeT Thu Sep 4 11:38:44 2003 From: mj at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: <20030904111455.A2628@thinkunix.net> References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <20030903133452.A26599@thinkunix.net> <200309032029.26295.wilson@visi.com> <20030904152824.GE21476@fandre.com> <1062690727.3f575fa78601f@my.visi.com> <20030904111455.A2628@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <1824.199.199.150.141.1062693524.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> > Having said that, I believe the Linux solution is probably the "best" > solution and provides ultimate flexibility and is probably more secure, > _if_ you set it up properly. It's also more time consuming. If you > have a family, I'd suggest plugging in the Linksys and spending more > time with your family. Put you head down and go with the flock. hahaha! The true voice of experience. :) -mj > -- > scot > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Sep 4 11:44:53 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: <20030904111455.A2628@thinkunix.net> References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <20030903133452.A26599@thinkunix.net> <200309032029.26295.wilson@visi.com> <20030904152824.GE21476@fandre.com> <1062690727.3f575fa78601f@my.visi.com> <20030904111455.A2628@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:14:55 -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Timothy Wilson wrote: > _if_ you set it up properly. It's also more time consuming. If you > have a family, I'd suggest plugging in the Linksys and spending more time > with your family. Put you head down and go with the flock. Second that. reminds me of the fellow at http://www.opensores.org (warning: he uses four letter words on his site) I liked the projects he worked on and was sad that I didn't peel his site before he "saw the light". _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 4 12:29:35 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: <1824.199.199.150.141.1062693524.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <20030903133452.A26599@thinkunix.net> <200309032029.26295.wilson@visi.com> <20030904152824.GE21476@fandre.com> <1062690727.3f575fa78601f@my.visi.com> <20030904111455.A2628@thinkunix.net> <1824.199.199.150.141.1062693524.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: <20030904172935.GJ21476@fandre.com> On Thu, 04 Sep 2003, Michael Jentges wrote: > > > > Having said that, I believe the Linux solution is probably the "best" > > solution and provides ultimate flexibility and is probably more secure, > > _if_ you set it up properly. It's also more time consuming. If you > > have a family, I'd suggest plugging in the Linksys and spending more > > time with your family. Put you head down and go with the flock. > > hahaha! > > The true voice of experience. :) > Or just teach your kid how to build a Linux firewall. "No TV until that box is done!" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Sep 4 12:34:20 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design (warning, has 4 letter words) In-Reply-To: References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <20030903133452.A26599@thinkunix.net> <200309032029.26295.wilson@visi.com> <20030904152824.GE21476@fandre.com> <1062690727.3f575fa78601f@my.visi.com> <20030904111455.A2628@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > Second that. reminds me of the fellow at http://www.opensores.org > (warning: he uses four letter words on his site) you mean like this? Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Sep 4 12:42:00 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36CD@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Wow....that is one seriously bitter sad person....sounds like a person who doesn't know the meaning of balance...or 'medication'...fill in your own definition of the latter Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Fulcrum [mailto:johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:45 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Home network design Second that. reminds me of the fellow at http://www.opensores.org (warning: he uses four letter words on his site) I liked the projects he worked on and was sad that I didn't peel his site before he "saw the light". From peter-clark at bethel.edu Thu Sep 4 12:19:15 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:16 2005 Subject: Web archive Was Re: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <20030904111455.A2628@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <200309041219.15090.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Thursday 04 September 2003 11:44 am, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > Second that. reminds me of the fellow at http://www.opensores.org > (warning: he uses four letter words on his site) > I liked the projects he worked on and was sad that I didn't peel his site > before he "saw the light". Next to Google, the greatest thing to hit the net is the WayBack Machine at www.archive.org. E.g., http://web.archive.org/web/20020928054004/http://www.opensores.org/ Share and enjoy! :Peter _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Sep 4 12:47:20 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design (warning, has 4 letter words) In-Reply-To: References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <20030903133452.A26599@thinkunix.net> <200309032029.26295.wilson@visi.com> <20030904152824.GE21476@fandre.com> <1062690727.3f575fa78601f@my.visi.com> <20030904111455.A2628@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:34:20 -0500 (CDT), Munir Nassar wrote: > On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > >> Second that. reminds me of the fellow at http://www.opensores.org >> (warning: he uses four letter words on his site) > > you mean like this? > yup, and then some! > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > http://redconcepts.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Sep 4 12:52:24 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: <20030904111455.A2628@thinkunix.net> References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <20030903133452.A26599@thinkunix.net> <200309032029.26295.wilson@visi.com> <20030904152824.GE21476@fandre.com> <1062690727.3f575fa78601f@my.visi.com> <20030904111455.A2628@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20030904125224.59a68e29.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:14:55 -0500 Scot Jenkins wrote: > Having said that, I believe the Linux solution is probably the "best" > solution and provides ultimate flexibility and is probably more > secure, _if_ you set it up properly. It's also more time consuming. > If you have a family, I'd suggest plugging in the Linksys and spending > more time with your family. Put you head down and go with the flock. > -- Use a pre-built Linux firewall such as Smoothwall, IP Cop or others. Simple 30+ MB download, 30 minutes and you're up and running with a true DMZ. Last month's LJ had a write up of a new firewall system. I'll see if I can find the article... Personally, I run IP Cop after I moved away from Smoothwall. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Sep 4 12:52:18 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:16 2005 Subject: Web archive Was Re: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: <200309041219.15090.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <20030904111455.A2628@thinkunix.net> <200309041219.15090.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:19:15 -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > On Thursday 04 September 2003 11:44 am, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> Second that. reminds me of the fellow at http://www.opensores.org >> (warning: he uses four letter words on his site) >> I liked the projects he worked on and was sad that I didn't peel his >> site >> before he "saw the light". > Next to Google, the greatest thing to hit the net is the WayBack Machine > at www.archive.org. E.g., > http://web.archive.org/web/20020928054004/http://www.opensores.org/ > Share and enjoy! > :Peter Access to this web page is restricted. Reason: The category "Proxy Avoidance" is filtered. URL: http://web.archive.org/web/20020928054004/http://www.opensores.org/ WHAAAAA!!! > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Thu Sep 4 12:51:40 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:16 2005 Subject: Web archive Was Re: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <200309041219.15090.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <200309041251.40233.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Thursday 04 September 2003 12:52 pm, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > Access to this web page is restricted. > Reason: > The category "Proxy Avoidance" is filtered. Are you at work? Try again at home. Or set up a ssh connection to your home computer and browse that way. :Peter _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu Sep 4 13:16:39 2003 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2966 - 14 msgs In-Reply-To: <20030904185402.3259.63378.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: I know you're supposed to edit the subject, but this time, the digest IS the subject. This is what I saw for message 10: Message: 10 Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Home network design Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:42:00 -0500 From: "Lansing, Dan" To: Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org V293Li4uLnRoYXQgaXMgb25lIHNlcmlvdXNseSBiaXR0ZXIgc2FkIHBlcnNvbi4uLi5zb3VuZHMg bGlrZSBhIHBlcnNvbiB3aG8gZG9lc24ndCBrbm93IHRoZSBtZWFuaW5nIG9mIGJhbGFuY2UuLi5v ciAnbWVkaWNhdGlvbicuLi5maWxsIGluIHlvdXIgb3duIGRlZmluaXRpb24gb2YgdGhlIGxhdHRl cg0KDQpEYW4gTGFuc2luZw0KDQotLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogSm9o bm55IEZ1bGNydW0gW21haWx0bzpqb2hubnlmdWxjcnVtQG1uLnJyLmNvbV0gDQpTZW50OiBUaHVy c2RheSwgU2VwdGVtYmVyIDA0LCAyMDAzIDExOjQ1IEFNDQpUbzogdGNsdWctbGlzdEBtbi1saW51 eC5vcmcNClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBbVENMVUddIEhvbWUgbmV0d29yayBkZXNpZ24NCg0KU2Vjb25k IHRoYXQuICByZW1pbmRzIG1lIG9mIHRoZSBmZWxsb3cgYXQgaHR0cDovL3d3dy5vcGVuc29yZXMu b3JnIA0KKHdhcm5pbmc6IGhlIHVzZXMgZm91ciBsZXR0ZXIgd29yZHMgb24gaGlzIHNpdGUpDQpJ IGxpa2VkIHRoZSBwcm9qZWN0cyBoZSB3b3JrZWQgb24gYW5kIHdhcyBzYWQgdGhhdCBJIGRpZG4n dCBwZWVsIGhpcyBzaXRlIA0KYmVmb3JlIGhlICJzYXcgdGhlIGxpZ2h0Ii4NCg0KDQoNCg== Is this a real message? Thanks, Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Sep 4 13:25:34 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:16 2005 Subject: Web archive Was Re: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: <200309041251.40233.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <200309041219.15090.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <200309041251.40233.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:51:40 -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > On Thursday 04 September 2003 12:52 pm, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> Access to this web page is restricted. >> Reason: >> The category "Proxy Avoidance" is filtered. > Are you at work? Try again at home. Or set up a ssh connection to your > home computer and browse that way. Yeah at work... I used to ssh home, but lately my IP address has been changing so frequently that I can't keep up... Wonder if I can have my linux box find out my gateway's WAN IP and email me if it changes... hummmm.... > :Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Thu Sep 4 13:40:29 2003 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:16 2005 Subject: Web archive Was Re: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <200309041219.15090.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <200309041251.40233.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <4806.65.116.187.220.1062700829.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Sure can, I have a couple of perl scripts and cron jobs. System checkes every 5 minutes, if the ip address of eth0 is different the the one stored in a text file it will e-mail me the new address, and update the text file. > On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:51:40 -0500, Peter Clark > wrote: > >> On Thursday 04 September 2003 12:52 pm, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >>> Access to this web page is restricted. >>> Reason: >>> The category "Proxy Avoidance" is filtered. >> Are you at work? Try again at home. Or set up a ssh connection to >> your >> home computer and browse that way. > > Yeah at work... I used to ssh home, but lately my IP address has been > changing so frequently that I can't keep up... > > Wonder if I can have my linux box find out my gateway's WAN IP and email > me if it changes... hummmm.... > >> :Peter >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jim Streit Partner & Co-Founder NorthLANs Alliance, LLC JimStreit@northlans.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Sep 4 13:47:31 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2966 - 14 msgs Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36CE@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I don't think so....just changed my mail format from rtf to plain text just in case....if this was my bad....sorry.... Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Chris Schumann [mailto:cschumann@twp-llc.com] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 1:17 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] RE: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2966 - 14 msgs I know you're supposed to edit the subject, but this time, the digest IS the subject. This is what I saw for message 10: Is this a real message? Thanks, Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Sep 4 13:51:35 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:17 2005 Subject: Dynamic IP addr Was - Re: Web archive Was Re: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: <4806.65.116.187.220.1062700829.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <200309041219.15090.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <200309041251.40233.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <4806.65.116.187.220.1062700829.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 13:40:29 -0500 (CDT), Jim Streit wrote: > Sure can, I have a couple of perl scripts and cron jobs. System checkes > every 5 minutes, if the ip address of eth0 is different the the one > stored > in a text file it will e-mail me the new address, and update the text > file. > > But I don't get a new ip address on my Linux eth0 - it's static on my LAN (192.168.0.XXX), the gateway (D-link) gets a new WAN ip address like every 3 - 12 hours (lately)... Road Runner must be moving Netblocks or something... I'd need to query the gateway (switch, firewall,D-link do-hicky - whatever- it's-called)for it's WAN ip > >> On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:51:40 -0500, Peter Clark >> wrote: >> >>> On Thursday 04 September 2003 12:52 pm, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >>>> Access to this web page is restricted. >>>> Reason: >>>> The category "Proxy Avoidance" is filtered. >>> Are you at work? Try again at home. Or set up a ssh connection to >>> your >>> home computer and browse that way. >> >> Yeah at work... I used to ssh home, but lately my IP address has been >> changing so frequently that I can't keep up... >> >> Wonder if I can have my linux box find out my gateway's WAN IP and email >> me if it changes... hummmm.... >> >>> :Peter >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com Thu Sep 4 13:53:15 2003 From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Flash Drive mounting Message-ID: <427CB92D.7633234A.09BD8409@aol.com> I've got a Samsung Yepp YP-55... it's supposedly "no driverable" and so far that holds true. I'm having problems mounting it in Redhat 9, and I get the feeling fat16 isn't supported on my system at the moment. (Why? Because it says so!) # mount /dev/sda /mnt/flash -t fat16 mount: fs type fat16 not supported by kernel # mount /dev/sda /mnt/flash -t vfat mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, or too many mounted file systems What packages am I missing so that I can mount FAT16? Or what else should I be trying? I'm pretty sure it's formatted at FAT16, fdisk is telling me the partition is "e". Any help's much appreciated. Anyone got one of these units? I'm considering returning it for an MPIO with the same features. -Nick Stolley _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 4 13:56:59 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:17 2005 Subject: Dynamic IP addr Was - Re: Web archive Was Re: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > But I don't get a new ip address on my Linux eth0 - it's static on my > LAN (192.168.0.XXX), the gateway (D-link) gets a new WAN ip address > like every 3 - 12 hours (lately)... Road Runner must be moving > Netblocks or something... > > I'd need to query the gateway (switch, firewall,D-link do-hicky - > whatever- it's-called)for it's WAN ip You could write a simple CGI script that'd return your IP address to the client, and write a script to hit that CGI and record your current IP.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Thu Sep 4 13:49:38 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Flash Drive mounting In-Reply-To: <427CB92D.7633234A.09BD8409@aol.com> References: <427CB92D.7633234A.09BD8409@aol.com> Message-ID: <200309041349.38732.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Thursday 04 September 2003 01:53 pm, AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: > What packages am I missing so that I can mount FAT16? Or what else should I > be trying? What happens when you try: # mount /dev/sda /mnt/flash -t fat :Peter _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Thu Sep 4 14:04:05 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:17 2005 Subject: Dynamic IP addr Was - Re: Web archive Was Re: [TCLUG] Home network design In-Reply-To: References: <1062613143.3f5630976a407@my.visi.com> <200309041219.15090.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <200309041251.40233.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <4806.65.116.187.220.1062700829.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: <1062702245.3f578ca509d52@my.visi.com> Quoting Johnny Fulcrum : > But I don't get a new ip address on my Linux eth0 - it's static on my LAN > (192.168.0.XXX), the gateway (D-link) gets a new WAN ip address like every > 3 - 12 hours (lately)... Road Runner must be moving Netblocks or > something... > > I'd need to query the gateway (switch, firewall,D-link do-hicky - whatever- > it's-called)for it's WAN ip The DynDNS site suggests one possibility at http://www.dyndns.org/services/dyndns/faq.html#80 Look for the question "How can I determine my IP address if I'm behind a router or firewall?" Another option is to use the DynDNS (or similar) service. The cost isn't unreasonable IMHO for the convenience it provides. -Tim -- Timothy D. Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA email: wilson@visi.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com Thu Sep 4 14:02:29 2003 From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Flash Drive mounting Message-ID: <78D20D1E.221E66E7.09BD8409@aol.com> > What happens when you try: > # mount /dev/sda /mnt/flash -t fat > :Peter # mount /dev/sda /mnt/flash -t fat mount: fs type fat not supported by kernel -Nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Sep 4 14:14:14 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] x and ssh Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36D0@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Ok...ive been hearing about forwarding X through ssh but have not been able to get this to work I have tried the -X switch but when I type startx I get the normal text scrolling by when x starts but no x.....am I missing something? I have to ctrl+c to get a usable prompt This is what I do ssh -X -l root xxx.xx.xx.xxx get the normal ssh session but unable to start x....what am I doing wrong? Dan Lansing _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com Thu Sep 4 14:14:28 2003 From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Flash Drive mounting Message-ID: <067FA330.6EFD055A.09BD8409@aol.com> Problem: # mount /dev/sda /mnt/flash -t vfat mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, or too many mounted file systems Solution: # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash -t vfat # cd /mnt/flash # ls 11 What Is Rock.mp3 fm_enc settings.dat I hate, more than anything else, spending hours on a problem, googling away, and then finally resorting to bothering someone on the list, just to minutes later dumbly find the solution to the question that was impossably stupid in the first place. -Nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Sep 4 14:41:33 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] x and ssh In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36D0@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36D0@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <3F57956D.10602@visi.com> This is how I made it work. I start Cygwin at the $ I type startx I get 3 term's running so I close 2 (type exit). On the X background I click and hold the mouse then select "Exit" This leaves me with a X running but nothing else. In the terminal window I type ssh -X -l root xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx I type the password to login I type "kde" and off I go. It is so slick! Thanks to all that helped me with this by the way, I just haven't had the brains to say THANKS! Lansing, Dan wrote: >Ok...ive been hearing about forwarding X through ssh but have not been able to get this to work > >I have tried the -X switch but when I type startx I get the normal text scrolling by when x starts but no x.....am I missing something? I have to ctrl+c to get a usable prompt > >This is what I do >ssh -X -l root xxx.xx.xx.xxx >get the normal ssh session but unable to start x....what am I doing wrong? > >Dan Lansing > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Sep 4 14:36:22 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:18 2005 Subject: Web archive Was Re: [TCLUG] Home network design Message-ID: use dyndns.org >>> johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com 09/04/03 01:25PM >>> On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:51:40 -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > On Thursday 04 September 2003 12:52 pm, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> Access to this web page is restricted. >> Reason: >> The category "Proxy Avoidance" is filtered. > Are you at work? Try again at home. Or set up a ssh connection to your > home computer and browse that way. Yeah at work... I used to ssh home, but lately my IP address has been changing so frequently that I can't keep up... Wonder if I can have my linux box find out my gateway's WAN IP and email me if it changes... hummmm.... > :Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 4 14:37:48 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] x and ssh In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36D0@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36D0@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030904193748.GC5960@fandre.com> You need to enable it on the server. In /etc/ssh/sshd_config: X11Forwarding yes And then restart sshd. (/etc/init.d/sshd restart) If that still doesn't work, start up sshd on a high port in debug mode, and then connect to that port from the client. That usually gives you more detailed error messages. server# sshd -d -p 1234 client# ssh -v -p 1234 server On Thu, 04 Sep 2003, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Ok...ive been hearing about forwarding X through ssh but have not been able to get this to work > > I have tried the -X switch but when I type startx I get the normal text scrolling by when x starts but no x.....am I missing something? I have to ctrl+c to get a usable prompt > > This is what I do > ssh -X -l root xxx.xx.xx.xxx > get the normal ssh session but unable to start x....what am I doing wrong? > > Dan Lansing > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Sep 4 14:53:09 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: <200309041512.h84FCLH06911@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200309041512.h84FCLH06911@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F579825.60205@visi.com> I know the PhP group has a project going for non profits so I'll forward this to them. Sam. webmaster@mn-linux.org wrote: >A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Thu Sep 4 10:12:20 2003. > >Name: John Kuster >Category: services >Subject: mysql/php development >Ad: Small international nonprofit in St. Paul looking for php/mysql developer to assist/advise on the development of an interactive web site. The organization desires a site whose dynamic content can be maintained by non-technical personnel. If interested, please contact John Kuster by email at jkuster@sihope.com > >To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: >http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Sep 4 14:53:34 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: <3F579825.60205@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 02:53:09PM -0500 References: <200309041512.h84FCLH06911@crusader.real-time.com> <3F579825.60205@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030904145334.B5116@thinkunix.net> I also forwarded this to tcwebdev.org's mailing list this morning. Sam MacDonald wrote: > I know the PhP group has a project going for non profits so I'll forward > this to them. > > webmaster@mn-linux.org wrote: > >A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Thu Sep 4 10:12:20 2003. > > > >Name: John Kuster > >Category: services > >Subject: mysql/php development > >Ad: Small international nonprofit in St. Paul looking for php/mysql developer to assist/advise on the development of an interactive web site. The organization desires a site whose dynamic content can be maintained by non-technical personnel. If interested, please contact John Kuster by email at jkuster@sihope.com > > > >To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: > >http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Sep 4 15:02:30 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] x and ssh In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36D0@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36D0@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030904150230.A2996@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 02:14:14PM -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Ok...ive been hearing about forwarding X through ssh but have not been able to get this to work > > I have tried the -X switch but when I type startx I get the normal text scrolling by when x starts but no x.....am I missing something? I have to ctrl+c to get a usable prompt > > This is what I do > ssh -X -l root xxx.xx.xx.xxx > get the normal ssh session but unable to start x....what am I doing wrong? Are you logging in from one Unix machine to another one? Or at least from one machine running X to another one? If so, then you don't want to start-up X inside your ssh session. You just want to run X dependant programs. Try typing: xterm & inside your ssh session. If an xterm doesn't pop up again try ssh -Xv -l root xxx.xx.xx.xxx instead and send any error messages to the list. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Thu Sep 4 15:40:24 2003 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH7.2 Network Stalls Message-ID: <023901c37324$c6d39dc0$0201a8c0@office> My server has had this "random" problem for some time now. It has two NICs. One for internal network (basic cheap card), the other to my high speed wireless connection (solid older 10Mb DEC card). The system runs along fine, no glitches, etc. and all of a sudden the internal network stops or stalls. No traffic can occur to the server, no pinging, no nothing. Most of the time, the external network works fine. If I go into the service configuration gui and I restart the network and then iptables - everything is back up and working fine. Any suggestions on why this might occur? Secondly, my command line skills for restart processes is weak .. is there a way to restart the "network" by a command? Or series of commands? There are 2 other businesses that access the internet through my server/firewall ... so when I travel I would like to be able to log in remotely and restart the network for the second NIC ... assuming the first one does not die on me ... The problem also occurs at times when I reboot the whole system. I restart the system and the network does not work. I go into the sys config gui ... restart things there and then it is fine. the boot log says everything started fine - no indication of an error message. System information: PII ~450 MHz 256 MB RAM RH7.2 Enterprise uptime ~ 48 days as of today on battery backup Randy "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - Martin Luther King, Jr. ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030904/bcbe3bc3/attachment.html From rwh at visi.com Thu Sep 4 15:52:20 2003 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:18 2005 Subject: *** LINUX *** [TCLUG] RH7.2 Network Stalls In-Reply-To: <023901c37324$c6d39dc0$0201a8c0@office> References: <023901c37324$c6d39dc0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <3F57A604.8000802@visi.com> service network restart should do the trick from the command line. You might want to think about setting up a cron job to regularly see if the link is up, and if not, issue the network restart. You might also want to think about replacing the cheap network card, or at least updating the drivers if possible. --rick Randy Clarksean wrote: > My server has had this "random" problem for some time now. > > It has two NICs. One for internal network (basic cheap card), the > other to my high speed wireless connection (solid older 10Mb DEC > card). The system runs along fine, no glitches, etc. and all of a > sudden the internal network stops or stalls. No traffic can occur to > the server, no pinging, no nothing. Most of the time, the external > network works fine. If I go into the service configuration gui and I > restart the network and then iptables - everything is back up and > working fine. > > Any suggestions on why this might occur? > > Secondly, my command line skills for restart processes is weak .. is > there a way to restart the "network" by a command? Or series of > commands? There are 2 other businesses that access the internet > through my server/firewall ... so when I travel I would like to be > able to log in remotely and restart the network for the second NIC ... > assuming the first one does not die on me ... > > The problem also occurs at times when I reboot the whole system. I > restart the system and the network does not work. I go into the sys > config gui ... restart things there and then it is fine. the boot log > says everything started fine - no indication of an error message. > > System information: > > PII ~450 MHz 256 MB RAM > RH7.2 Enterprise > uptime ~ 48 days as of today > on battery backup > > > Randy > > "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of > comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - > Martin Luther King, Jr. > > ph: 218-385-3750 > fax:218-385-3751 > email: rclark@lakesplus.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Thu Sep 4 15:51:53 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] retrieving a wep key In-Reply-To: <20030904150831.GX1160@techmonkeys.org> References: <3F565ED6.8090405@lorenburlingame.com> <20030904150831.GX1160@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3F57A5E9.400@lorenburlingame.com> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 04:36:22PM -0500, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > > >>I am going crazy here trying to get a wep key that was installed on my >>laptop by my school for use with windows xp pro. >> >> > >It's stored in the registry, in plain text, if I recall correctly. > >Fire up regedit and look around, if you know the SSID for your school >try punching that in and search, the wep key will be nearby. > >If i can get my hands on a windows machine i'll find the exact location >for you. > >Your school is dumb for thinking that this provides any kind of security. > > > well, actually, I think this was only one type of wavlan driver that did this. as I said I have already scoured my registry looking for it. I found where my card settings are (and where the wavlan driver would have put the key) but there is no key or even SSID. LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Thu Sep 4 15:52:38 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] retrieving a wep key In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F57A616.3080207@lorenburlingame.com> Nate Carlson wrote: >On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > > >>I would have to bring it in to the laptop support center and *they* >>would install the key >> >> > >Find a keyboard sniffer, bring it in for them to install the WEP key, fire >up your sniffer, and grab the key? > > > good idea, I will give this one a shot. thanks LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Sep 4 16:13:25 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T wireless paging Message-ID: <20030904161325.A13485@thinkunix.net> Anyone else using AT&T wireless paging? was dialing following via qpage: AT&T PCS Text Messaging (cell phone) 800-841-8837 but now I'm getting a recording saying number has been disconnected. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 4 16:53:13 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T wireless paging In-Reply-To: <20030904161325.A13485@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Anyone else using AT&T wireless paging? was dialing following via > qpage: AT&T PCS Text Messaging (cell phone) 800-841-8837 but now I'm > getting a recording saying number has been disconnected. Same for T-Mobile. :( Sprint's TAP number still works, though. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Sep 4 17:09:51 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T wireless paging In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 04:53:13PM -0500 References: <20030904161325.A13485@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20030904170951.A3973@thinkunix.net> I called AT&T wireless customer serivce at 1-800-888-7600 and asked about this. I was told that the number I had qpage dialing was through a 3rd party company that is now out of business and that the service was officially discontinued as of Aug 31, 2003. It worked for me up until yesteday, so I suspect the accountants and auditors are on site reclaiming equipment today ;) AT&T said I should use their SMS messaging via the following URL: http://www.mobile.att.net/messagecenter/ The website puts the message directly into the SMS queue which is faster then emailing <10-digit-cellphone-number>@mobile.att.net. I just tested it and got the message just seconds after I hit the send button. So far so good. Now to revamp my notification messaging... Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Scot Jenkins wrote: > > Anyone else using AT&T wireless paging? was dialing following via > > qpage: AT&T PCS Text Messaging (cell phone) 800-841-8837 but now I'm > > getting a recording saying number has been disconnected. > > Same for T-Mobile. :( > > Sprint's TAP number still works, though. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 4 17:13:26 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T wireless paging In-Reply-To: <20030904170951.A3973@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Scot Jenkins wrote: > I called AT&T wireless customer serivce at 1-800-888-7600 and asked > about this. I was told that the number I had qpage dialing was > through a 3rd party company that is now out of business and that the > service was officially discontinued as of Aug 31, 2003. It worked for > me up until yesteday, so I suspect the accountants and auditors are on > site reclaiming equipment today ;) > > AT&T said I should use their SMS messaging via the following URL: > http://www.mobile.att.net/messagecenter/ > > The website puts the message directly into the SMS queue which is > faster then emailing <10-digit-cellphone-number>@mobile.att.net. I > just tested it and got the message just seconds after I hit the send > button. So far so good. Now to revamp my notification messaging... Having to use the web sucks, though - if your link is down, and that's why you're paging, well, that's a problem. :) For that matter, if AT&T's link is down, you can't page. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Thu Sep 4 17:15:56 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T wireless paging Message-ID: Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> scot+tcluggen@thinkunix.net 09/04/03 05:09PM >>> >I called AT&T wireless customer serivce at 1-800-888-7600 and asked >about this. I was told that the number I had qpage dialing was through >a 3rd party company that is now out of business and that the service was >officially discontinued as of Aug 31, 2003. It worked for me up until >yesteday, so I suspect the accountants and auditors are on site >reclaiming equipment today ;) >AT&T said I should use their SMS messaging via the following URL: >http://www.mobile.att.net/messagecenter/ That's great, but what about the case when I've got a critical outage and I want to notify myself or my staff? The webpage doesn't do me a lot of good if I can't reach it. Anybody got any suggestions? I finally got the modem installed into our monitoring system and now I find out that the TAP access numbers are no good anymore. >The website puts the message directly into the SMS queue which is faster >then emailing <10-digit-cellphone-number>@mobile.att.net. I just tested >it and got the message just seconds after I hit the send button. So far >so good. Now to revamp my notification messaging... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Thu Sep 4 17:32:38 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can you recommend a firewall Message-ID: <3F57BD86.5050007@eworld3.net> The only firewall I have tried on Linux is the one that you can control from the Mandrake Control Center. It's not well-developed enough yet so I'm looking for something better. I have been using ZoneAlarm on Windoze, since it *really* needs a firewall but I'm guessing Linux does things a bit differently. I searched SourceForge but as you might expect I got a lot of hits. One thing I think I'm seeing is that you configure iptables. I'm guessing that you can do this by hand or via a GUI. I also looked for a HowTo but there isn't a firewall or iptables HowTo. Even though I still use dial-up (hey I don't have a job!) I think it's probably a good idea to set up a firewall. So, can someone recommend a Linux firewall for home/personal use? I would also like to know what's happening "under the hood" so if there is a good, but not too detailed explanation somewhere, please let me know. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Sep 4 17:37:55 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can you recommend a firewall In-Reply-To: <3F57BD86.5050007@eworld3.net>; from rick@eworld3.net on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 05:32:38PM -0500 References: <3F57BD86.5050007@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030904173755.C625@thinkunix.net> You could start here for some pointers: http://thinkunix.net/unix/security/firewalls/ I've heard IP Cop is pretty good but I haven't tried it. Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > The only firewall I have tried on Linux is the one that you can control > from the Mandrake Control Center. It's not well-developed enough yet so > I'm looking for something better. I have been using ZoneAlarm on > Windoze, since it *really* needs a firewall but I'm guessing Linux does > things a bit differently. > > So, can someone recommend a Linux firewall for home/personal use? I > would also like to know what's happening "under the hood" so if there is > a good, but not too detailed explanation somewhere, please let me know. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Sep 4 17:51:49 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can you recommend a firewall Message-ID: I have tried IP Cop and it made a P75 into a nice dialup firewall. >>> scot+tcluggen@thinkunix.net 09/04/03 05:37PM >>> You could start here for some pointers: http://thinkunix.net/unix/security/firewalls/ I've heard IP Cop is pretty good but I haven't tried it. Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > The only firewall I have tried on Linux is the one that you can control > from the Mandrake Control Center. It's not well-developed enough yet so > I'm looking for something better. I have been using ZoneAlarm on > Windoze, since it *really* needs a firewall but I'm guessing Linux does > things a bit differently. > > So, can someone recommend a Linux firewall for home/personal use? I > would also like to know what's happening "under the hood" so if there is > a good, but not too detailed explanation somewhere, please let me know. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at toyotavans.org Thu Sep 4 17:11:20 2003 From: mj at toyotavans.org (M. Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T wireless paging In-Reply-To: <20030904161325.A13485@thinkunix.net> References: <20030904161325.A13485@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <3F57B888.2020504@toyotavans.org> They had a note in with the bill a few months back. Apparently the outfit they sub contracted to do the TAPI stuff went under. I can't remember all the details, but I killed qpage about a month ago as it looked like it might get expensive. You might want to check out their site. 'text messaging' is no longer free. *shock* -mj Scot Jenkins wrote: > Anyone else using AT&T wireless paging? was dialing following via > qpage: AT&T PCS Text Messaging (cell phone) 800-841-8837 but now I'm > getting a recording saying number has been disconnected. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Sep 4 19:00:41 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T wireless paging In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030905000041.GA1160@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 05:15:56PM -0500, Bruce Broecker wrote: > Anybody got any suggestions? I finally got the modem installed into our monitoring > system and now I find out that the TAP access numbers are no good anymore. T-Mobile, $5/mo for an extra phone on the family plans, plug in a charger and a serial cable, push out SMS text messages via the phone. It even has it's own UPS ;) Cheaper than a POTS line as well. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Thu Sep 4 19:22:45 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can you recommend a firewall In-Reply-To: <3F57BD86.5050007@eworld3.net> References: <3F57BD86.5050007@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <1062721365.695.8.camel@cesium> On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 17:32, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > The only firewall I have tried on Linux is the one that you can control > from the Mandrake Control Center. It's not well-developed enough yet so Mandy uses a modified version of shorewall if I remember correctly. All the config files are in /etc/shorewall and are well commented. Otherwise the shorewall site (http://www.shorewall.net) has very good documentation. Just be sure you are looking at the docs for the version you are using. You can find this out with a quick "shorewall version" as root. > I also looked for a HowTo but > there isn't a firewall or iptables HowTo. This might be a good start. http://www.linuxsecurity.com/resource_files/firewalls/IPTables-Tutorial/iptables-tutorial.html -- The Wandering Dru _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Thu Sep 4 19:29:07 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can you recommend a firewall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F57D8D3.7080206@eworld3.net> IPCop seems to be a Linux distro used to turn a PC into a firewall. What I want is to just run a firewall on the one machine that I do everything on. I don't think I really need to have a seperate firewall but maybe I'm wrong. Troy.A Johnson wrote: > I have tried IP Cop and it made a P75 into > a nice dialup firewall. > > >>>>scot+tcluggen@thinkunix.net 09/04/03 05:37PM >>> > > You could start here for some pointers: > http://thinkunix.net/unix/security/firewalls/ > > I've heard IP Cop is pretty good but I haven't tried it. > > Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > >>The only firewall I have tried on Linux is the one that you can control > > >>from the Mandrake Control Center. It's not well-developed enough yet so > > >>I'm looking for something better. I have been using ZoneAlarm on >>Windoze, since it *really* needs a firewall but I'm guessing Linux does > > >>things a bit differently. >> >>So, can someone recommend a Linux firewall for home/personal use? I >>would also like to know what's happening "under the hood" so if there is > > >>a good, but not too detailed explanation somewhere, please let me know. > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 4 20:18:18 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can you recommend a firewall In-Reply-To: <3F57D8D3.7080206@eworld3.net> References: <3F57D8D3.7080206@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <1062724698.9121.48.camel@3po> On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 19:29, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > IPCop seems to be a Linux distro used to turn a PC into a firewall. What > I want is to just run a firewall on the one machine that I do everything > on. I don't think I really need to have a seperate firewall but maybe > I'm wrong. Well, that's a balance you have to strike for yourself. Having another machine means that it's much harder to break into your system, but it's yet another box to administer, and you have to deal with how to get across your firewall. Many people on the list have several machines on a home network, so we often dedicate an old machine to being a firewall. Even an aincent 386 could probably handle most broadband Internet connections, though a machine that slow would probably be a pain to maintain. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ What's that strange orange / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ glow coming from our room? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Oh, it's the Sun. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030904/dd0f15cd/attachment.pgp From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Sep 4 21:08:46 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can you recommend a firewall In-Reply-To: <3F57D8D3.7080206@eworld3.net> References: <3F57D8D3.7080206@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030904210846.5a40c120.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 19:29:07 -0500 Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > IPCop seems to be a Linux distro used to turn a PC into a firewall. > What I want is to just run a firewall on the one machine that I do > everything on. I don't think I really need to have a seperate firewall > but maybe I'm wrong. > Well, if it's just one machine that you have directly connected to a modem then I'd learn how to do ipchains/ipfilter/masquerading depending upon your kernel. Also look into Linux security on the www.tldp.org website's how-to. The nice thing about having a separate machine as someone pointed out, is that it's much harder to crack into two systems than it is just one. Also, if you have multiple systems on a home network and use dial-up as your gateway for all of them you can share the connection. albeit very slowly, and configured as dial on demand. I use IP Cop personally, and have tried smoothwall. Both are very similar, but prefer IP Cop. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Thu Sep 4 22:11:15 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Intel NICs with built-in 3DES support Message-ID: <200309042211.15863.wilson@visi.com> Hey everyone, I need to buy a new NIC and I noticed that the Intel Pro/100 NICs have 168-bit 3DES coprocessors. Just out of curiosity, can Linux utilize that coprocessor automatically, or does that have to be built into the driver? On a side note, which NIC gives the most bang for the buck these days? Good Linux support is an obvious requirement. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Thu Sep 4 22:12:23 2003 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can you recommend a firewall In-Reply-To: <3F57BD86.5050007@eworld3.net> References: <3F57BD86.5050007@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <1081.192.168.70.30.1062731543.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> I use SmoothWall. (no flames please) - It's a 30 meg ISO - supports 3 nic's (public, private, dmz) - supports modems for dial-up - setup on a P166 with 32 megs of ram is fine and takes about 15 minutes - managed from web interface - has intrusion detection (snort) - Proxy (squid) - VPN capabilities (FreeS/WAN) - SSH - Regular patches which are very easy to install. I have it running in 8 locations and know that its running at another 4 Jim > The only firewall I have tried on Linux is the one that you can control > from the Mandrake Control Center. It's not well-developed enough yet so > I'm looking for something better. I have been using ZoneAlarm on > Windoze, since it *really* needs a firewall but I'm guessing Linux does > things a bit differently. > > I searched SourceForge but as you might expect I got a lot of hits. One > thing I think I'm seeing is that you configure iptables. I'm guessing > that you can do this by hand or via a GUI. I also looked for a HowTo but > there isn't a firewall or iptables HowTo. > > Even though I still use dial-up (hey I don't have a job!) I think it's > probably a good idea to set up a firewall. > > So, can someone recommend a Linux firewall for home/personal use? I > would also like to know what's happening "under the hood" so if there is > a good, but not too detailed explanation somewhere, please let me know. > -- > Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jim Streit Partner & Co-Founder NorthLANs Alliance, LLC JimStreit@northlans.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Thu Sep 4 22:03:37 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD based firewall Message-ID: <1062731016.3562.25.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> I figured as long as everyone is talking firewalls, I thought I'd through this one out there. I was wondering what everyone thought about the CD based firewalls. Has anyone here worked with a firewall distro that runs off a bootable CD? I've looked through Distrowatch, and so far I like the Devil-Linux 0.5 CD. Any one have any recommendations? I'd like something that can be configured once and not need to be touched ever again (until updated of course). Thanks in advance... -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Thu Sep 4 22:35:09 2003 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail drive thrashing Message-ID: <1173.192.168.70.30.1062732909.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> I have recently noticed a weird thing happening on a server that I have. A few times a day, the drives on my server start thrashing, like they are doing a massive read or write. If I look at TOP while this is happening the only thing that really shows active CPU cycles is sendmail. It uses about 8% of the processing power of the box. After about 10 minutes, the thrashing stops and that sendmail thread stops (user smmsp). During the thrashing there isn't any noticeable performance slowdown. The Box... IBM Netserver 5000 2 GB RAM Dual PIII 550 3x18 gb hot-swap scsi drives (RAID 5) Redhat 9.0 (with all of the latest RedHat up2date updates) Sendmail 8.12.8-6.90 Anyone have any ideas on what my be causing this? -- Jim Streit Partner & Co-Founder NorthLANs Alliance, LLC JimStreit@northlans.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at JentgeS.NeT Thu Sep 4 22:44:54 2003 From: mj at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail drive thrashing In-Reply-To: <1173.192.168.70.30.1062732909.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> References: <1173.192.168.70.30.1062732909.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: <1192.199.199.150.143.1062733494.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> And hence AUTHOR wrote: Jim Streit > I have recently noticed a weird thing happening on a server that I have. > A few times a day, the drives on my server start thrashing, like they > are doing a massive read or write. If I look at TOP while this is > happening the only thing that really shows active CPU cycles is > sendmail. It uses about 8% of the processing power of the box. After > about 10 minutes, the thrashing stops and that sendmail thread stops > (user smmsp). During the thrashing there isn't any noticeable > performance slowdown. If it's at the same time every day, perhaps cron jobs? Maybe look at /etc/cron.daily, or try a crontab -l and se what pops out. Tried running netstat, grepping for smmsp, etc? -mj --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at JentgeS.NeT Thu Sep 4 22:52:33 2003 From: mj at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Intel NICs with built-in 3DES support In-Reply-To: <200309042211.15863.wilson@visi.com> References: <200309042211.15863.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <1218.199.199.150.143.1062733953.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> > > On a side note, which NIC gives the most bang for the buck these days? > Good Linux support is an obvious requirement. Well I suspect this is the typical Ford/Chevy Coke/Pepsi thing but I'm still partial to the intel stuff. I've gotten some incredible transfer rates imaging PC's with those newer integrated eepro's. Most of them have had linux/bsd support where Win2k required additional driver installations. Go figure. -mj > -Tim > > -- --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Thu Sep 4 23:00:58 2003 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail drive thrashing In-Reply-To: <1192.199.199.150.143.1062733494.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> References: <1173.192.168.70.30.1062732909.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> <1192.199.199.150.143.1062733494.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: <1262.192.168.70.30.1062734458.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Checked crontab and cron.hourly. Nothing in these that I could see that would run any jobs for sendmail. I ran netstat -al. I see a few ports open, all of them accounted for bu I don't see anything for smmsp. (But the drives arn't thrashing right now so its possible that something may be running while the drives are thrashing) > > And hence AUTHOR wrote: Jim Streit >> I have recently noticed a weird thing happening on a server that I >> have. >> A few times a day, the drives on my server start thrashing, like they >> are doing a massive read or write. If I look at TOP while this is >> happening the only thing that really shows active CPU cycles is >> sendmail. It uses about 8% of the processing power of the box. After >> about 10 minutes, the thrashing stops and that sendmail thread stops >> (user smmsp). During the thrashing there isn't any noticeable >> performance slowdown. > > If it's at the same time every day, perhaps cron jobs? > Maybe look at /etc/cron.daily, or try a crontab -l and se what pops out. > > Tried running netstat, grepping for smmsp, etc? > > -mj > > > --------------------- > Jentges.NET, Inc. > Voice: 763.783.3702 > Cell: 763.370.1201 > --------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jim Streit Partner & Co-Founder NorthLANs Alliance, LLC JimStreit@northlans.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 4 23:37:42 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Intel NICs with built-in 3DES support In-Reply-To: <200309042211.15863.wilson@visi.com> References: <200309042211.15863.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <1062736661.9121.66.camel@3po> On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 22:11, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I need to buy a new NIC and I noticed that the Intel Pro/100 NICs have 168-bit > 3DES coprocessors. Just out of curiosity, can Linux utilize that coprocessor > automatically, or does that have to be built into the driver? I could find very little mention of this online, but I was curious since I had seen a pile of cheap Intel boards with 3DES coprocessors on them at Tran Micro a week or two ago. I came across a mailing list message somewhere from Donald Becker, who said the processor mentioned didn't have any documentation available. The posting was made last summer, and I'm guessing things haven't changed since then. I thought that maybe the Linux driver made by Intel might support the 3DES bit, but there's hardly any mention of Linux at all in regard to their network adapters. As for Ethernet cards in general, I've always found myself running into 3Com cards (I have seen too many 3c905s and *way* too many 3c509s in my life). They've always seemed to work for me, though I never had to worry about the whole fiasco with 3c905a/b/c/d. However, I think the cards have a fairly tiny buffer on them (8 or 16kB, which must be divided between transmit and receive), but whether that is any better or worse than what else is on the market, I'm not sure.. I figure it would become a problem if the system was heavily loaded, but it probably work fine 99.9 percent of the time. As far as I know, most Ethernet cards work fine in Linux these days, except for a fair percentage of gigabit Ethernet cards (nVidia's onboard adapter being one prime exmple). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Are we live or on tape? / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030904/c9f0d316/attachment.pgp From adamm at sihope.com Fri Sep 5 07:14:07 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail drive thrashing In-Reply-To: <1173.192.168.70.30.1062732909.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: smmsp is the sendmail submission queue runner. It's a seperate sendmail process that runs /var/spool/clientmqueue, which I believe is where Sendmail drops outbound messages before delivery (for security through privelege seperation). You might have a bunch of messages in the queue that it's trying to process. If that queue is empty, use lsof or fstat to see what files the smmsp user has open when the problem starts. On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Jim Streit wrote: > I have recently noticed a weird thing happening on a server that I have. > A few times a day, the drives on my server start thrashing, like they are > doing a massive read or write. If I look at TOP while this is happening > the only thing that really shows active CPU cycles is sendmail. It uses > about 8% of the processing power of the box. After about 10 minutes, the > thrashing stops and that sendmail thread stops (user smmsp). During the > thrashing there isn't any noticeable performance slowdown. > > The Box... > IBM Netserver 5000 > 2 GB RAM > Dual PIII 550 > 3x18 gb hot-swap scsi drives (RAID 5) > Redhat 9.0 (with all of the latest RedHat up2date updates) > Sendmail 8.12.8-6.90 > > Anyone have any ideas on what my be causing this? > > -- > Jim Streit > Partner & Co-Founder > NorthLANs Alliance, LLC > JimStreit@northlans.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Sep 5 07:50:39 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can you recommend a firewall In-Reply-To: <3F57D8D3.7080206@eworld3.net> References: <3F57D8D3.7080206@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3F58869F.5040101@druswanderings.net> Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > IPCop seems to be a Linux distro used to turn a PC into a firewall. This is going to be true of just about anything billed as a "linux firewall". They are made to turn an older box into an easy-to-maintain firewall appliance. The reason for this is that everything you need to have a firewall on your one system is already there. All these specialized distros are are front ends to iptables/ipchains. I do have a dedicated firewall box but it is just a minimal Debian system using shorewall(non-gui, but easy to set up). I know there are some scripts out there that will help you come up with a rules set and I seem to recall a web site or two that will do it as well. For a dedicated box, I have at least tried most of the firewall distros out there. IPCop is good and is based on Smoothwall(which is why they are very similar). A lot of people have a problem with Smothwall in that the guy running the show can be kind of an ass sometimes. For more robust needs(and a beefier box), there is Mandrake Multi-Network Firewall. It allows multiple DMZs and Networks to be handled through the same box. Cool stuff but a bit bloated for most home networks. For a more multi-function box, there is Clark Connect, based on Red Hat. It will run web, email, ftp, etc. servers as well tho a lot of security people frown on running such services on your firewall. Back to your specific situation, Rick. What is it that the Mdk firewall front end won't allow you to do? I'm pretty sure to do port forwarding, you would need to edit files by hand, but I can't really see a need for you to do that with your two boxen setup unless you are running game servers on the windows box. Simply sharing the connection on the linux box will do wonders for the security of the other OS. I would have to do some checking but I think the mdk firewall keeps things pretty open to the internal network while closing off everything to the outside. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Fri Sep 5 08:06:59 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T wireless paging Message-ID: >>> poptix@techmonkeys.org 09/04/03 07:00PM >>> >On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 05:15:56PM -0500, Bruce Broecker wrote: >> Anybody got any suggestions? I finally got the modem installed into our monitoring >> system and now I find out that the TAP access numbers are no good anymore. >T-Mobile, $5/mo for an extra phone on the family plans, plug in a charger >and a serial cable, push out SMS text messages via the phone. It even has >it's own UPS ;) Yeah, but this is a business environment, and I don't choose the cell phone provider. We're using AT&T Wireless here, so I'm stuck with that system. I wonder if I can't do something like that with AT&T. I'll need to do some experimenting. Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Sep 5 08:22:03 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Intel NICs with built-in 3DES support In-Reply-To: <200309042211.15863.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Tim Wilson wrote: > I need to buy a new NIC and I noticed that the Intel Pro/100 NICs have > 168-bit 3DES coprocessors. Just out of curiosity, can Linux utilize that > coprocessor automatically, or does that have to be built into the > driver? I bought a couple of these a few months ago at a good price (think <$3). My immediate findings were that the 3DES functionality is unsupported. See: http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-crypto/2002-10/msg00044.html Aside from that, they work just like a regular Pro/100, IIRC. > On a side note, which NIC gives the most bang for the buck these days? Good > Linux support is an obvious requirement. I've been pretty happy with both 3Com & Intel, but then, I haven't paid retail for them in quite some time. ;) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Fri Sep 5 10:38:38 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can you recommend a firewall In-Reply-To: <3F58869F.5040101@druswanderings.net> References: <3F57D8D3.7080206@eworld3.net> <3F58869F.5040101@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <3F58ADFE.9020105@eworld3.net> I don't have a box to dedicate as a firewall and I need to avoid spending money right now. Maybe I'm being "penny wise and pound foolish". I actually would like to set up such a box for better security, learning and of course, the "cool" factor. The Mandrake firewall gui says: "Which services would you like to allow the Internet to connect to?" _ Everything (no firewall) _ Web Server _ DNS _ SSH etc... I read the (very minimal) doc on this firewall and it says that all you have to do is have none of the checkboxes checked and none of these services will be able to access the net. I don't intend to run any of these services so that's cool. The doc also says that the firewall will NOT block Internet access by *clients*, this is not the case. The only thing I can do is check "Everything (no firewall)" so that I can access the net. The only other thing to consider is that I use VNC to access my W2k box so if and when I get a firewall set up I would have to let that traffic pass through it. Thanks for your help. The Wandering Dru wrote: > Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > >> IPCop seems to be a Linux distro used to turn a PC into a firewall. > > > This is going to be true of just about anything billed as a "linux > firewall". They are made to turn an older box into an easy-to-maintain > firewall appliance. The reason for this is that everything you need to > have a firewall on your one system is already there. All these > specialized distros are are front ends to iptables/ipchains. > > I do have a dedicated firewall box but it is just a minimal Debian > system using shorewall(non-gui, but easy to set up). I know there are > some scripts out there that will help you come up with a rules set and I > seem to recall a web site or two that will do it as well. > > For a dedicated box, I have at least tried most of the firewall distros > out there. IPCop is good and is based on Smoothwall(which is why they > are very similar). A lot of people have a problem with Smothwall in > that the guy running the show can be kind of an ass sometimes. > > For more robust needs(and a beefier box), there is Mandrake > Multi-Network Firewall. It allows multiple DMZs and Networks to be > handled through the same box. Cool stuff but a bit bloated for most > home networks. > > For a more multi-function box, there is Clark Connect, based on Red Hat. > It will run web, email, ftp, etc. servers as well tho a lot of security > people frown on running such services on your firewall. > > > Back to your specific situation, Rick. What is it that the Mdk firewall > front end won't allow you to do? I'm pretty sure to do port forwarding, > you would need to edit files by hand, but I can't really see a need for > you to do that with your two boxen setup unless you are running game > servers on the windows box. Simply sharing the connection on the linux > box will do wonders for the security of the other OS. I would have to > do some checking but I think the mdk firewall keeps things pretty open > to the internal network while closing off everything to the outside. > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Sep 5 10:52:43 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can you recommend a firewall In-Reply-To: <3F58ADFE.9020105@eworld3.net> References: <3F57D8D3.7080206@eworld3.net> <3F58869F.5040101@druswanderings.net> <3F58ADFE.9020105@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030905105243.61b1228b.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:38:38 -0500 Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > I don't have a box to dedicate as a firewall and I need to avoid > spending money right now. Maybe I'm being "penny wise and pound > foolish". I actually would like to set up such a box for better > security, learning and of course, the "cool" factor. > Screw the "coolness factor." That's not why I run a firewall on a dedicated machine. If I had a spare older machine, I'd give it to you. Look around to see if you can find an older machine laying around from someone you know or here on the list. Basically, anything Pentium or equivalent will work perfect for a firewall. Mine right now is a P2-33MHz with 128 MB ram, but I've run as small as a P166/32MB ram. You don't need a big HDD either. I may have a machine I could give you in a couple of months, but that's up in the air right now as well. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Sep 5 10:59:09 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: firewall In-Reply-To: <3F58ADFE.9020105@eworld3.net> References: <3F57D8D3.7080206@eworld3.net> <3F58869F.5040101@druswanderings.net> <3F58ADFE.9020105@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3F58B2CD.9080700@druswanderings.net> Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > I don't have a box to dedicate as a firewall and I need to avoid > spending money right now. Maybe I'm being "penny wise and pound > foolish". I actually would like to set up such a box for better > security, learning and of course, the "cool" factor. > > The Mandrake firewall gui says: > "Which services would you like to allow the Internet to connect to?" > _ Everything (no firewall) > _ Web Server > _ DNS > _ SSH > etc... > > I read the (very minimal) doc on this firewall and it says that all you > have to do is have none of the checkboxes checked and none of these > services will be able to access the net. I don't intend to run any of > these services so that's cool. The doc also says that the firewall will > NOT block Internet access by *clients*, this is not the case. The only > thing I can do is check "Everything (no firewall)" so that I can access > the net. > > The only other thing to consider is that I use VNC to access my W2k box > so if and when I get a firewall set up I would have to let that traffic > pass through it. > > Thanks for your help. > Why don't you send me copies of /etc/shorewall/rules, /etc/shorewall/interfaces, and /etc/shorewall/zones. I have a hunch after doing a little digging. Also, give me the output of ifconfig(you can munge the IP addresses if you don't trust me). ;-) -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Sep 5 11:04:48 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: firewall In-Reply-To: <3F58B2CD.9080700@druswanderings.net> References: <3F57D8D3.7080206@eworld3.net> <3F58869F.5040101@druswanderings.net> <3F58ADFE.9020105@eworld3.net> <3F58B2CD.9080700@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <3F58B420.2050303@druswanderings.net> Gahh!!! This was meant to be off list. Sorry all. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Sep 5 11:34:01 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200309051634.h85GY1g24781@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Fri Sep 5 11:34:01 2003. Name: Clay Fandre Category: computerwanted Subject: Pentium system wanted Ad: So no one seems to have a nice system (PII or better) for cheap, so how about an older system? I'm looking for a Pentium-233 or better. A USB interface would be nice. Thanks. To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tjmoses at comcast.net Fri Sep 5 06:43:46 2003 From: tjmoses at comcast.net (Joan Moses) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] free computers - Message-ID: <000d01c373a2$f7915960$dd507618@ce1.client2.attbi.com> Hello - I am a special ed paraprofessional looking for free computers for classroom use. We need a working cd and word processor. Speed is not a major factor, so older, slower models are perfect for us. Do you have any connections, please? Thank you for your time and consideration. Happy day! Joan Moses, Special Ed, Kenneth Hall Elementary, Spring Lake Park, MN jmoses@splkpark.k12.mn.us ps - Colin posted a message, if you know how I may contact him. Thank you! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030905/d9ff495e/attachment.html From mj at toyotavans.org Thu Sep 4 19:48:02 2003 From: mj at toyotavans.org (M. Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can you recommend a firewall In-Reply-To: <3F57D8D3.7080206@eworld3.net> References: <3F57D8D3.7080206@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3F57DD42.4040305@toyotavans.org> Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > IPCop seems to be a Linux distro used to turn a PC into a firewall. What > I want is to just run a firewall on the one machine that I do everything > on. I don't think I really need to have a seperate firewall but maybe > I'm wrong. > If that's all you really need I'd just load up some basic iptables/ipchains rules. There are plenty of examples out there for this. Check out http://linux.ardynet.com/ipmasq/ipmasq.php3 for some clear-cut basic examples..... -mj _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Sep 5 12:39:17 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] free computers - Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36D2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I have a couple of Compaq deskpro's with 200Mhz processors and 4Gb hard drives if you are interested....no monitors or keyboards/mice but I was looking to get rid of them anyway....i think one of them has a cd drive.... Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Joan Moses [mailto:tjmoses@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 6:44 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] free computers - Hello - I am a special ed paraprofessional looking for free computers for classroom use. We need a working cd and word processor. Speed is not a major factor, so older, slower models are perfect for us. Do you have any connections, please? Thank you for your time and consideration. Happy day! Joan Moses, Special Ed, Kenneth Hall Elementary, Spring Lake Park, MN jmoses@splkpark.k12.mn.us ps - Colin posted a message, if you know how I may contact him. Thank you! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030905/7c4bd489/attachment.htm From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Sep 5 13:04:07 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] free computers - References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36D2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <3F58D017.2040504@structural-wood.com> I'm not sure what the plan is, but since you are asking for a word processor I'm guessing you are a bit uncertain. If you are wanting to set up a number of workstations at a given location, have mostly older slower computers, and have one somewhat faster computer it is definitely worth looking into the LTSP project (www.ltsp.org). I have fairly ancient terminal hardware here (nothing later than 1994), and a dual athlon 1400 application server, and we can launch StarOffice in just a couple of seconds. Running StarOffice is snappy. Your users also get to share the filesystem and any printers attached to the main box without having to do anything... LTSP is an incredibly good way to stretch your cash. Kent Lansing, Dan wrote: > I have a couple of Compaq deskpro?s with 200Mhz processors and 4Gb hard > drives if you are interested?.no monitors or keyboards/mice but I was > looking to get rid of them anyway?.i think one of them has a cd drive?. > > > > Dan Lansing > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Joan Moses [mailto:tjmoses@comcast.net] > *Sent:* Friday, September 05, 2003 6:44 AM > *To:* tclug-list@mn-linux.org > *Subject:* [TCLUG] free computers - > > > > Hello - I am a special ed paraprofessional looking for free computers > for classroom use. We need a working cd and word processor. Speed is > not a major factor, so older, slower models are perfect for us. Do you > have any connections, please? > > Thank you for your time and consideration. Happy day! > > Joan Moses, Special Ed, Kenneth Hall Elementary, Spring Lake Park, MN > jmoses@splkpark.k12.mn.us > > ps - Colin posted a message, if you know how I may contact him. Thank you! > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 5 13:15:42 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] free computers - In-Reply-To: <3F58D017.2040504@structural-wood.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36D2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <3F58D017.2040504@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <3F58D2CE.4060902@visi.com> Contact Xcel Energy they have a fairly regular supply of older machines. You may need to get an OS and software installed on these machines. BUT, I'm sure an install fest of Linux and Open Office could happen! :-) Sam. Kent Schumacher wrote: > I'm not sure what the plan is, but since you are asking for a word > processor > I'm guessing you are a bit uncertain. > > If you are wanting to set up a number of workstations at a given > location, > have mostly older slower computers, and have one somewhat faster computer > it is definitely worth looking into the LTSP project (www.ltsp.org). > > I have fairly ancient terminal hardware here (nothing later than 1994), > and a dual athlon 1400 application server, and we can launch StarOffice > in just a couple of seconds. Running StarOffice is snappy. > > Your users also get to share the filesystem and any printers attached > to the main box without having to do anything... > > LTSP is an incredibly good way to stretch your cash. > > Kent > > > Lansing, Dan wrote: > >> I have a couple of Compaq deskpro?s with 200Mhz processors and 4Gb >> hard drives if you are interested?.no monitors or keyboards/mice but >> I was looking to get rid of them anyway?.i think one of them has a cd >> drive?. >> >> >> >> Dan Lansing >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* Joan Moses [mailto:tjmoses@comcast.net] >> *Sent:* Friday, September 05, 2003 6:44 AM >> *To:* tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> *Subject:* [TCLUG] free computers - >> >> >> >> Hello - I am a special ed paraprofessional looking for free computers >> for classroom use. We need a working cd and word processor. Speed >> is not a major factor, so older, slower models are perfect for us. >> Do you have any connections, please? >> >> Thank you for your time and consideration. Happy day! >> >> Joan Moses, Special Ed, Kenneth Hall Elementary, Spring Lake Park, MN >> jmoses@splkpark.k12.mn.us >> >> ps - Colin posted a message, if you know how I may contact him. Thank >> you! >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Fri Sep 5 13:14:30 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can you recommend a firewall In-Reply-To: <20030905105243.61b1228b.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <3F57D8D3.7080206@eworld3.net> <3F58869F.5040101@druswanderings.net> <3F58ADFE.9020105@eworld3.net> <20030905105243.61b1228b.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F58D286.7050009@lorenburlingame.com> Shawn wrote: >On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:38:38 -0500 >Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > > > >>I don't have a box to dedicate as a firewall and I need to avoid >>spending money right now. Maybe I'm being "penny wise and pound >>foolish". I actually would like to set up such a box for better >>security, learning and of course, the "cool" factor. >> >> >> > >Screw the "coolness factor." That's not why I run a firewall on a dedicated machine. > >If I had a spare older machine, I'd give it to you. Look around to see if you can find an older machine laying around from someone you know or here on the list. > > > yeah no doubt, these days you *need* a firewall. especially if you have a dedicated internet connection. I am running smoothwall 2.0beta5 on a pentium 166 with no problem at all. I have an old 486 dx4 lying around that you can have if you want it. I have never run smoothwall on it but people from the smoothwall mailing list have said it works just fine. I am also sure that it would run any non-X distro fairly well so you are not locked into smoothwall if you dont want to (I just find that it is a supremely easy firewall to set up, configure and forget about) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Fri Sep 5 13:20:00 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The box shop? Message-ID: <20030905132000.A30492@localhost.localdomain> I got a fax titled "Dirt Cheap" with ads from The Box Shop. Two stores, St. Paul 1828 Feronia Ave, off Fairview, or New Hope 8041 E. Research Center Rd. They appear to sell used and some new boxes. I may check them out on the way to the beer meeting. Any luggers check them out yet? Examples: $59.00 - 266Mhz PII 64M ram 2.1GHD, CDROM, Snd, USB, 10/100NIC $149.00 Dell 6100 PowerEdge, Dual Pent.Pro200, 512M, 6 x 4.3SCSI,.. $159.00 (new?) Case/350W, AMD 1800 Pro+CPU, Integrated AGP Vid, Snd, 10/100NIC. They don't seem to have a web page, the phone number gets me a machine. 651-642-0923 On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 11:34:01AM -0500, webmaster@mn-linux.org wrote: > A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Fri Sep 5 11:34:01 2003. > > Name: Clay Fandre > Category: computerwanted > Subject: Pentium system wanted > Ad: So no one seems to have a nice system (PII or better) for cheap, so how about an older system? I'm looking for a Pentium-233 or better. A USB interface would be nice. Thanks. > > To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 5 13:11:18 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [tcphp] Minnesota Labor Unions for web programming In-Reply-To: <20030905160419.92464.qmail@web11804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030905160419.92464.qmail@web11804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F58D1C6.8040801@visi.com> OK, now lets not get upset with labor unions after all unions represent workers. Believe me when I say that programmers and everyone else who works in I/T are labor. We are the work force, by definition the work force is labor. Yes the CWA Communications Workers of America http://www.cwa-union.org You may also want to look at this site http://www.allianceibm.org and http://www.ibmemployee.com/ I'm going to address Mikes concerns in this note as well. ********************************************* 1. There are to many independents You need to know that even contract employees can be in a union, in the same union as the full time employees. 2. off-shore Thats why we need to organize our selves, to stop this off-shoring. ********************************************* Many companies (IBM and ATT for example) are moving jobs from the U.S. to many other countries. What they don't tell you about the 5 dollar an hour jobs is the companies don't pay any health benefits. The places where these jobs are being moved to have socialized medicine. What the companies aren't saying is how much the CEO's have invested in these companies in India, Mexico, Brazil, etc... The CEO's are all about making money for the stock holders, but never forget that the CEO's are HUGE stock holders. What they don't tell you is how they are training people in India to pronounce "speak" American English. They are teaching the people to sound just like a mid western person so the American public doesn't know they are talking to someone on the other side of the planet. Call ATT customer service and ask where they are located. They will tell you "I can't tell you that for security reasons" that is total BS. Did the CEO of ATT tell you the attrition rate in the jobs in India is around 30%. These people work all night because they are servicing American business. Did they tell you they are abusing the people in these countries because the pay is 1/5 that of an American worker. Is that ethical or moral? Did they tell you the people in these countries are not allowed to work over time? I quit my job at IBM because I could not stand by and see people I have worked with for years loose their jobs. IBM brings programmers and dba's from all over the world to the U.S. trains them to do the job and sends them back to their country of origin then fires the IBM employees. No the person who took the job is NOT and IBM employee. IBM has reduced it's work force by 15,000 jobs in the first quarter of 2003 alone. Yes American workers are expensive, yes we are a little whiny, yes WE BUILT THIS COUNTRY! If want to bash unions and say they are bad, first find out about unions. Do some research don't take a stand unless you know what both sides have to say. Get to know the issues then make a decision about what to do. If someone asks how to do something with PhP don't you ask if they have done the research first, tried to learn about the question they are asking? Sam. mike schrenk wrote: >Two factors that will kill any labor movement in IT: >1. There are too many independants, and >2. It's too easy to get work done off-shore for $5.00 an hour. > >--schrenk, > >--- Justin Koivisto wrote: > > >>I was asked to do a little research and was wondering if anyone here >>has >>heard of any labor unions in Minnesota that cover web programmers? >> >>TIA >> >> > > >===== >http://www.schrenk.com > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe@tcphp.org >For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help@tcphp.org > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030905/6c3f1bbf/attachment.html From ben_b at ppdonline.com Fri Sep 5 13:24:22 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [tcphp] Minnesota Labor Unions for web programming References: <20030905160419.92464.qmail@web11804.mail.yahoo.com> <3F58D1C6.8040801@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F58D4D6.F218F47A@ppdonline.com> This is way off topic, could an admin kill this thread (otherwise I'll put in my two cents and most people won't like that). Thanks, Ben. > Sam MacDonald wrote: > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Sep 5 13:39:23 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Oh yeah -- Beer Meeting tonight! Message-ID: Oops. --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, September 5, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Glockenspiel 605 7TH St W St Paul, MN 55102-3043 Phone: (651) 292-9421 Details: It's been a while, and it was a success last time, so we thought we'd try it out again. Good German food, beer, and geeks. Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- Directions, et al: http://beer.tclug.org TGIF Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Sep 5 13:39:23 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Oh yeah -- Beer Meeting tonight! Message-ID: Oops. --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, September 5, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Glockenspiel 605 7TH St W St Paul, MN 55102-3043 Phone: (651) 292-9421 Details: It's been a while, and it was a success last time, so we thought we'd try it out again. Good German food, beer, and geeks. Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- Directions, et al: http://beer.tclug.org TGIF Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Sep 5 13:39:58 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The box shop? In-Reply-To: <20030905132000.A30492@localhost.localdomain> References: <20030905132000.A30492@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F58D87E.20704@druswanderings.net> Karl Bongers wrote: > I got a fax titled "Dirt Cheap" with ads from The Box Shop. > Two stores, St. Paul 1828 Feronia Ave, off Fairview, or New Hope > 8041 E. Research Center Rd. They appear to sell used and some new > boxes. I may check them out on the way to the beer meeting. Any > luggers check them out yet? > I checked into them about a year ago. The store in St Paul is, literally, a hole in the wall. They had tables and shelves of what most would consider back alley junk but the right geek may find something they're looking for. It looked like a few guys had scored freebies from some corporations in the area and were trying to sell what they could. They also had a limited amount of new stuff available and it looked like you could probably custom order if you wanted. They did have a couple of large IBM server boxen the size of small central air conditioning units didn't get the model numbers on those babies tho. ;-) -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Sep 5 13:38:23 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200309051838.h85IcNF28142@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Fri Sep 5 13:38:23 2003. Name: Peter Clark Category: computersell Subject: Athlon 1.2 GHz 512 MB mem computer Ad: Custom-built Athlon 1.2 GHz, 512 MB mem, nVidia GeForce2 video card, CD burner and another regular CD drive, Zip drive, TV card (ATI All-In-Wonder, IIRC), modem (not a winmodem) and ethernet, all in a nice hunter green case. Includes monitor (1280x1024), mouse, and printer (Lexmark z51--doesn't do color well under Linux last I tried, but it works). Price $400 or best offer; must sell within a week (moving), so make your offer now. To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at toyotavans.org Fri Sep 5 14:16:27 2003 From: mj at toyotavans.org (M. Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OFF SHORE (was [tcphp] Minnesota Labor Unions for web programming) In-Reply-To: <3F58D1C6.8040801@visi.com> References: <20030905160419.92464.qmail@web11804.mail.yahoo.com> <3F58D1C6.8040801@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F58E10B.7030607@toyotavans.org> I used to work here before they closed their mpls office, along with a few other subscribers to this list.. Look at what they BRAG about on their site. http://www.webhelp.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 14:52:59 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The box shop? In-Reply-To: <3F58D87E.20704@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20030905195259.68299.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> I checked out the St Paul area one time too. Got the same impression. Actually, they're right across the street from my work, so easy to stop by. I just figure I have enough spare parts right now ;) But if anyone ever needs something, I'd be happy to stop by and check it out, always up for rambling around in a computer junkyard. Joel --- The Wandering Dru wrote: > Karl Bongers wrote: > > > I got a fax titled "Dirt Cheap" with ads from The Box Shop. > > Two stores, St. Paul 1828 Feronia Ave, off Fairview, or New Hope > > 8041 E. Research Center Rd. They appear to sell used and some new > > boxes. I may check them out on the way to the beer meeting. Any > > luggers check them out yet? > > > > I checked into them about a year ago. The store in St Paul is, > literally, a hole in the wall. They had tables and shelves of what most > > would consider back alley junk but the right geek may find something > they're looking for. It looked like a few guys had scored freebies from > > some corporations in the area and were trying to sell what they could. > They also had a limited amount of new stuff available and it looked like > > you could probably custom order if you wanted. They did have a couple > of large IBM server boxen the size of small central air conditioning > units didn't get the model numbers on those babies tho. ;-) > > -- > The Wandering Dru > http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such > > Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! > http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Fri Sep 5 15:02:38 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can you recommend a firewall In-Reply-To: <3F57D8D3.7080206@eworld3.net> Message-ID: On Thursday, Sep 4, 2003, at 19:29 US/Central, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > IPCop seems to be a Linux distro used to turn a PC into a firewall. > What I want is to just run a firewall on the one machine that I do > everything on. I don't think I really need to have a seperate firewall > but maybe I'm wrong. man iptables > > Troy.A Johnson wrote: >> I have tried IP Cop and it made a P75 into a nice dialup firewall. >>>>> scot+tcluggen@thinkunix.net 09/04/03 05:37PM >>> >> You could start here for some pointers: >> http://thinkunix.net/unix/security/firewalls/ I've heard IP Cop is >> pretty good but I haven't tried it. >> Rick Meyerhoff wrote: >>> The only firewall I have tried on Linux is the one that you can >>> control >>> from the Mandrake Control Center. It's not well-developed enough yet >>> so >>> I'm looking for something better. I have been using ZoneAlarm on >>> Windoze, since it *really* needs a firewall but I'm guessing Linux >>> does >>> things a bit differently. >>> >>> So, can someone recommend a Linux firewall for home/personal use? I >>> would also like to know what's happening "under the hood" so if >>> there is >>> a good, but not too detailed explanation somewhere, please let me >>> know. > > -- > Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff > rick@eworld3.net > 952-929-1659 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens http://us-admins.com/~blutgens/ US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Sep 5 15:49:03 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Woohoo! It works! Message-ID: <3F58F6BF.6090906@druswanderings.net> From the "Thank goodness for small miracles" dept. I love it when a plan comes together. I have successfully set up an IMAP server that uses SSL so I can feel better about viewing my email from home over the net. I just wanted the rest of you share in my joy. Now, if I can only figure out LDAP(a TCLUG meeting topic perhaps?). Thank you, that is all. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Fri Sep 5 15:54:44 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Woohoo! It works! In-Reply-To: <3F58F6BF.6090906@druswanderings.net> References: <3F58F6BF.6090906@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <1062795284.3f58f814a74f4@my.visi.com> Quoting The Wandering Dru : > Now, if I can only figure out LDAP(a TCLUG meeting topic perhaps?). I just picked up "LDAP System Administration" from O'Reilly (http://safari.oreilly.com/?XmlId=1-56592-491-6). I'm part way in and it seems quite good so far. See also the recent series by Mick Bauer in the Linux Journal. The third and final part is online at http://linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6936 -Tim -- Timothy D. Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA email: wilson@visi.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Fri Sep 5 14:36:27 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PARTY Announcement Message-ID: <20030905153627.5d8e345b.william.layer@comcast.net> Greetings all, I will be having a party here at the Legendre compound.. we've had several of these in the past, but it's been nearly a year and the time is now. So: When: Friday September 26th, 2003. 8pm-on Who: Dr. Legendre Where: 506 Edmund Ave. St. Paul MN 55103 Welcome: All TCLUG members & friends. Kids welcome until about 10pm.. What: Liquor in the front, poker in the rear. See you then! Be there, or be toroidal. -Dr. Legendre _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Sep 5 16:05:02 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenLDAP and GNU TLS quirks In-Reply-To: <1062795284.3f58f814a74f4@my.visi.com> References: <3F58F6BF.6090906@druswanderings.net> <1062795284.3f58f814a74f4@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <20030905210502.GC8801@skuld.wookimus.net> On the topic of OpenLDAP, be careful when setting up LDAP and TLS using the GNU TLS library. Especially if you plan on using libpam-ldap libraries compiled with libgnutls7. The CA Certificate must be known by OpenLDAP clients or SSL connections will fail for anything compiled with libgnutls instead of OpenSSL. The line you need to add is either: TLS_CACERT or TLS_CADIR to the /etc/ldap/ldap.conf file. Do this, and you won't have the headaches I did. This is especially true of people using Debian sarge or sid. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030905/df22cb49/attachment.pgp From JAustad at temgweb.com Fri Sep 5 16:20:41 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Woohoo! It works! Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDB4B@mail.temgweb.com> Please provide your password so we can see. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: The Wandering Dru [mailto:dru@druswanderings.net] > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:49 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Woohoo! It works! > > > From the "Thank goodness for small miracles" dept. > > I love it when a plan comes together. I have successfully set up an > IMAP server that uses SSL so I can feel better about viewing my email > from home over the net. I just wanted the rest of you share in my joy. > > Now, if I can only figure out LDAP(a TCLUG meeting topic perhaps?). > > Thank you, that is all. > > -- > The Wandering Dru > http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such > > Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! > http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Fri Sep 5 16:22:15 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISDN simulator Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDB4C@mail.temgweb.com> Anyone have an ISDN simulator that I could borrow for a couple of weeks? I'm going to be taking my CCIE exam shortly and I need it to study with. -jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 5 16:52:48 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Woohoo! It works! In-Reply-To: <1062795284.3f58f814a74f4@my.visi.com> References: <3F58F6BF.6090906@druswanderings.net> <1062795284.3f58f814a74f4@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <3F5905B0.8010008@visi.com> So many protocols, so little time. ;-) Timothy Wilson wrote: >Quoting The Wandering Dru : > > > >>Now, if I can only figure out LDAP(a TCLUG meeting topic perhaps?). >> >> > >I just picked up "LDAP System Administration" from O'Reilly >(http://safari.oreilly.com/?XmlId=1-56592-491-6). I'm part way in and it seems >quite good so far. See also the recent series by Mick Bauer in the Linux >Journal. The third and final part is online at >http://linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6936 > >-Tim > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Sep 5 18:54:18 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [tcphp] Minnesota Labor Unions for web programming In-Reply-To: <3F58D1C6.8040801@visi.com> References: <20030905160419.92464.qmail@web11804.mail.yahoo.com> <3F58D1C6.8040801@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030905235418.GA6240@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 01:11:18PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > OK, now lets not get upset with labor unions after all unions represent > workers. Believe me when I say that programmers and everyone else who > works in I/T are labor. We are the work force, by definition the work > force is labor. > There are two kinds of unions: Unions who work for the employees to help insure their safety and fair treatment (labor such as coal mining, steel workers, railroad, etc) Unions who work to ensure that no matter how lazy, stupid, or incompetent their members are, they'll always have a job because if they don't, they'll all go on strike. (Rainbow foods and highway workers fall under this category) In an IT industry setting, I'm willing to bet it would be more of a category 2 union, seeing how there are plenty of incompetents out there who do nothing but leech the resources out of a company, and want protection from being fired for incompetency. Yes, moving phone support to $other_country is bad for the economy, but what do you expect when the general public doesn't care enough to show their feelings about it (by writing letters, or boycotting companies) FYI, AT&T/Comcast cable internet support is in Quebec, because they receive kickbacks for providing technical jobs there. With that said, this is totally off topic for the list, and is sure to spark a long fruitless thread. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Fri Sep 5 19:13:34 2003 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastille - Root can't login to KDE Message-ID: Hey all, I ran Bastille Linux to try and harden up my system. Now I can't login to KDE as root, not can I run/view certain programs. It is not clear to me what part of the Bastille process did this. Any help appreciated. TOm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030905/5cbc745b/attachment.html From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Sep 5 19:18:51 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT} free computers - In-Reply-To: <000d01c373a2$f7915960$dd507618@ce1.client2.attbi.com> References: <000d01c373a2$f7915960$dd507618@ce1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <2678.192.1.1.23.1062807531.squirrel@dccmn.com> You might try Computers for Schools: http://www.mncfs.org/ Joan Moses said: > Hello - I am a special ed paraprofessional looking for free computers > for classroom use. We need a working cd and word processor. Speed is > not a major factor, so older, slower models are perfect for us. Do you > have any connections, please? > > Thank you for your time and consideration. Happy day! > > Joan Moses, Special Ed, Kenneth Hall Elementary, Spring Lake Park, MN > jmoses@splkpark.k12.mn.us > > ps - Colin posted a message, if you know how I may contact him. Thank > you! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 5 19:31:45 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T wireless paging In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062808305.9121.81.camel@3po> On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 08:06, Bruce Broecker wrote: > >>> poptix@techmonkeys.org 09/04/03 07:00PM >>> > > T-Mobile, $5/mo for an extra phone on the family plans, plug in a > > charger and a serial cable, push out SMS text messages via the > > phone. It even has it's own UPS ;) > > Yeah, but this is a business environment, and I don't choose the cell > phone provider. We're using AT&T Wireless here, so I'm stuck with > that system. I wonder if I can't do something like that with AT&T. > I'll need to do some experimenting. Well, I know you can do that with almost any GSM phone, which is what the new AT&T mLife plans are (I've even heard friends mention recently that it's not possible to get new service on the old non-GSM network anymore). Of course, if you're in a server room, you might have trouble getting a signal out. You might want to spring for a phone with an antenna jack. If GSM still doesn't work, I'd start looking at whether or not Nextel can do something similar -- I understand their phones work well inside of fallout shelters (they're fairly popular for voice service for U of MN staff, at least). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'd kill for a Nobel Peace / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Prize. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030905/58f445f1/attachment.html From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 5 21:20:39 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [tcphp] Minnesota Labor Unions for web programming In-Reply-To: <20030905235418.GA6240@techmonkeys.org> References: <20030905160419.92464.qmail@web11804.mail.yahoo.com> <3F58D1C6.8040801@visi.com> <20030905235418.GA6240@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3F594477.2040505@visi.com> I disagree about the "long fruitless thread" thing. Do we tolerate the idea that people with the same skills we have get payed 1/5th what we get payed? Just because they are in India or Brazil? If we have a "World economy" why are the wages lower in India and Brazil? You need to understand that this is not about self center Americans/ This is about "right and wrong". This is about people who own large percentages of American corporations and the corporations they are sending the jobs to in other countries! Sam. Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 01:11:18PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>OK, now lets not get upset with labor unions after all unions represent >>workers. Believe me when I say that programmers and everyone else who >>works in I/T are labor. We are the work force, by definition the work >>force is labor. >> >> >> > >There are two kinds of unions: > >Unions who work for the employees to help insure their safety and fair >treatment (labor such as coal mining, steel workers, railroad, etc) > >Unions who work to ensure that no matter how lazy, stupid, or incompetent >their members are, they'll always have a job because if they don't, they'll >all go on strike. (Rainbow foods and highway workers fall under this category) > >In an IT industry setting, I'm willing to bet it would be more of a >category 2 union, seeing how there are plenty of incompetents out there >who do nothing but leech the resources out of a company, and want protection >from being fired for incompetency. > >Yes, moving phone support to $other_country is bad for the economy, but >what do you expect when the general public doesn't care enough to show >their feelings about it (by writing letters, or boycotting companies) > > >FYI, AT&T/Comcast cable internet support is in Quebec, because they >receive kickbacks for providing technical jobs there. > >With that said, this is totally off topic for the list, and is sure to >spark a long fruitless thread. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Fri Sep 5 21:27:16 2003 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastille - Root can't login to KDE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F594604.50603@therub.org> Tom Wurdock wrote: > Hey all, > > I ran Bastille Linux to try and harden up my system. Now I can't login > to KDE as root, not can I run/view certain programs. Why would you want to log into KDE as root in the first place? If you want to do rootly things, you should go to a command line and use "su" or "sudo". "man su" or "man sudo" at the command line for more information. That said, i'm sure there are ways in kde to do root things in the control panel or whatever without actually logging in as root. doesn't it prompt you for a password? I don't run KDE so I don't know, but you shouldn't ever need to log in as root. dan > It is not clear to > me what part of the Bastille process did this. Any help appreciated. > > TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Fri Sep 5 21:56:46 2003 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastille - Root can't login to KDE In-Reply-To: <3F594604.50603@therub.org> Message-ID: Well, there are a few things that I haven't learned yet other than through a GUI. I have been su'ing to do certain things, but Bastille has disabled su'ing in a gui. I can only do it command-line. I just want to understand what happened and I would like to be able to. TOm -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dan Rue Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:27 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Bastille - Root can't login to KDE Tom Wurdock wrote: > Hey all, > > I ran Bastille Linux to try and harden up my system. Now I can't login > to KDE as root, not can I run/view certain programs. Why would you want to log into KDE as root in the first place? If you want to do rootly things, you should go to a command line and use "su" or "sudo". "man su" or "man sudo" at the command line for more information. That said, i'm sure there are ways in kde to do root things in the control panel or whatever without actually logging in as root. doesn't it prompt you for a password? I don't run KDE so I don't know, but you shouldn't ever need to log in as root. dan > It is not clear to > me what part of the Bastille process did this. Any help appreciated. > > TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Fri Sep 5 22:02:57 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastille - Root can't login to KDE Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664AFBC@ipserver2.interplastic.com> In keeping with top posting: I googled and found http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/4/2003/02/3/45396 http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/8/2001/08/1/4927 > -----Original Message----- > From: PHPTOm [mailto:phptom@wordesign.net] > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:57 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Bastille - Root can't login to KDE > > > Well, there are a few things that I haven't learned yet other > than through a > GUI. I have been su'ing to do certain things, but Bastille > has disabled > su'ing in a gui. I can only do it command-line. I just want > to understand > what happened and I would like to be able to. > > TOm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dan Rue > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:27 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Bastille - Root can't login to KDE > > > Tom Wurdock wrote: > > > Hey all, > > > > I ran Bastille Linux to try and harden up my system. Now I > can't login > > to KDE as root, not can I run/view certain programs. > > Why would you want to log into KDE as root in the first place? If you > want to do rootly things, you should go to a command line and use "su" > or "sudo". "man su" or "man sudo" at the command line for more > information. > > That said, i'm sure there are ways in kde to do root things in the > control panel or whatever without actually logging in as > root. doesn't > it prompt you for a password? I don't run KDE so I don't > know, but you > shouldn't ever need to log in as root. > > dan > > > It is not clear to > > me what part of the Bastille process did this. Any help > appreciated. > > > > TOm > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Fri Sep 5 22:04:00 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [tcphp] Minnesota Labor Unions for web programming References: <20030905160419.92464.qmail@web11804.mail.yahoo.com> <3F58D1C6.8040801@visi.com> <20030905235418.GA6240@techmonkeys.org> <3F594477.2040505@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F594EA0.7B772FC7@ppdonline.com> Could an admin please put a stop to this thread. I'm doing my best to adhere to the rules of this group and ignore an off topic poster but this idiocy is starting to make me mad. Thank you, Ben. Sam MacDonald wrote: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 5 22:44:21 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastille - Root can't login to KDE In-Reply-To: <3F594604.50603@therub.org> References: <3F594604.50603@therub.org> Message-ID: <3F595815.3080103@visi.com> The reason "root" is not used is because 1 mistake can cause disaster, however, I would venture a guess this is a machine at home. A machine to learn Linux on and a machine that it's OK to rebuild at any time. Don't take this part wrong. However you ran a system hardening tool without having a complete understanding of the tool. With Linux it's best to read about the tool you want to use, ask questions of the group for advice, then install the tool. Don't get me wrong about this, I haven't used Bastille so I can't make more then a guess. By definition a hardened system would not allow root to use X, because root is not just an account to administer the system with. "root" is the system account (someone correct me if I'm wrong or off base) the account that runs the whole show. I have an account I created for administration of the Linux box. I also have an account that I have my 9 year old son use (get'em early). The only reason I would use "root" is to give the account I use for administration more rights/permissions. As an administrator, using good practices, I wouldn't use root for anything. I would keep the root password in a safe place and change it often. After saying that I can also say I'm guilty of using "root" for other purposes. On an isolated home systems lots of people use root because it "has the power", "root" has way to much power to be used at all. In some cases things can't be fixed when "root" is used. That's why having another administrator account is important. This same thing is true for many windows systems at home, the "administrator" account has the power, and makes it easy to add software and hardware. The difference is that "root" has much more power then "administrator". I would venture that "root" has an equivalent of "system" and "administrator" in windows rolled in to 1 account. I've only had 1 corrupt "system" account in over 9 years of windows administration. I still wonder how it happened because "system" can't be used to login. It was NT 3.50 so I'm not loosing sleep over it now. Sam. Dan Rue wrote: > Tom Wurdock wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I ran Bastille Linux to try and harden up my system. Now I can't >> login to KDE as root, not can I run/view certain programs. > > > Why would you want to log into KDE as root in the first place? If you > want to do rootly things, you should go to a command line and use "su" > or "sudo". "man su" or "man sudo" at the command line for more > information. > > That said, i'm sure there are ways in kde to do root things in the > control panel or whatever without actually logging in as root. > doesn't it prompt you for a password? I don't run KDE so I don't > know, but you shouldn't ever need to log in as root. > > dan > >> It is not clear to me what part of the Bastille process did this. >> Any help appreciated. >> >> TOm > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 5 22:48:39 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Re: [tcphp] Minnesota Labor Unions for web programming In-Reply-To: <3F594EA0.7B772FC7@ppdonline.com> References: <20030905160419.92464.qmail@web11804.mail.yahoo.com> <3F58D1C6.8040801@visi.com> <20030905235418.GA6240@techmonkeys.org> <3F594477.2040505@visi.com> <3F594EA0.7B772FC7@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <1062820118.9121.91.camel@3po> On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 22:04, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Could an admin please put a stop to this thread. I'm doing my best to > adhere to the rules of this group and ignore an off topic poster but > this idiocy is starting to make me mad. > Thank you, > Ben. I know I'm a real geek and have nothing better to do, but I'm sure you must be a more social creature than me. It's Friday night. Take some time off from the mailing list if this bothers you. Heck, I'd say that even if it wasn't the weekend. I count a whopping four messages in this thread, not worth getting into a fit over.. In addition 1. As far as I know, Bob doesn't have a mechanism for "killing" threads. They have to die out on their own. 2. If you really want to string up anyone, do it because they were cross-posting. Dammit. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If speed scares you, try / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Windows. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030905/4de7a516/attachment.pgp From phptom at wordesign.net Fri Sep 5 22:55:30 2003 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastille - Root can't login to KDE In-Reply-To: <3F595815.3080103@visi.com> Message-ID: It is a box at home that I am using. And I am still learning. I didn't take anything you said wrong. I think that is all informative and I am grateful for all feedback. I ran Bastille because I don't have a friggin' clue about so much of the security stuff and I'd rather have Bastille have it's way with my system than those dang romanians. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Sam MacDonald Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:44 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Bastille - Root can't login to KDE The reason "root" is not used is because 1 mistake can cause disaster, however, I would venture a guess this is a machine at home. A machine to learn Linux on and a machine that it's OK to rebuild at any time. Don't take this part wrong. However you ran a system hardening tool without having a complete understanding of the tool. With Linux it's best to read about the tool you want to use, ask questions of the group for advice, then install the tool. Don't get me wrong about this, I haven't used Bastille so I can't make more then a guess. By definition a hardened system would not allow root to use X, because root is not just an account to administer the system with. "root" is the system account (someone correct me if I'm wrong or off base) the account that runs the whole show. I have an account I created for administration of the Linux box. I also have an account that I have my 9 year old son use (get'em early). The only reason I would use "root" is to give the account I use for administration more rights/permissions. As an administrator, using good practices, I wouldn't use root for anything. I would keep the root password in a safe place and change it often. After saying that I can also say I'm guilty of using "root" for other purposes. On an isolated home systems lots of people use root because it "has the power", "root" has way to much power to be used at all. In some cases things can't be fixed when "root" is used. That's why having another administrator account is important. This same thing is true for many windows systems at home, the "administrator" account has the power, and makes it easy to add software and hardware. The difference is that "root" has much more power then "administrator". I would venture that "root" has an equivalent of "system" and "administrator" in windows rolled in to 1 account. I've only had 1 corrupt "system" account in over 9 years of windows administration. I still wonder how it happened because "system" can't be used to login. It was NT 3.50 so I'm not loosing sleep over it now. Sam. Dan Rue wrote: > Tom Wurdock wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I ran Bastille Linux to try and harden up my system. Now I can't >> login to KDE as root, not can I run/view certain programs. > > > Why would you want to log into KDE as root in the first place? If you > want to do rootly things, you should go to a command line and use "su" > or "sudo". "man su" or "man sudo" at the command line for more > information. > > That said, i'm sure there are ways in kde to do root things in the > control panel or whatever without actually logging in as root. > doesn't it prompt you for a password? I don't run KDE so I don't > know, but you shouldn't ever need to log in as root. > > dan > >> It is not clear to me what part of the Bastille process did this. >> Any help appreciated. >> >> TOm > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Fri Sep 5 23:27:23 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The box shop? In-Reply-To: <20030905132000.A30492@localhost.localdomain> References: <20030905132000.A30492@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200309052327.23604.jack@jacku.com> On Friday 05 September 2003 01:20 pm, Karl Bongers wrote: > I got a fax titled "Dirt Cheap" with ads from The Box Shop. > Two stores, St. Paul 1828 Feronia Ave, off Fairview, or New Hope > 8041 E. Research Center Rd. They appear to sell used and some new > boxes. I may check them out on the way to the beer meeting. Any > luggers check them out yet? > I've been to the St Paul store a few times. I bought a replacement drive for an old box there once. (It belonged to a client and they wanted the cheapest solution possible.) I know someone who lives over that way and has purchased a couple of machines from them and they work fine. YMMV. Jack -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Sep 6 03:09:23 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [tcphp] Minnesota Labor Unions for web programming In-Reply-To: <3F594477.2040505@visi.com> References: <20030905160419.92464.qmail@web11804.mail.yahoo.com> <3F58D1C6.8040801@visi.com> <20030905235418.GA6240@techmonkeys.org> <3F594477.2040505@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030906080923.GD6240@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 09:20:39PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I disagree about the "long fruitless thread" thing. > > Do we tolerate the idea that people with the same skills we have get > payed 1/5th what we get payed? I can think of a few reasons: 1) High unemployment, this makes it more likely that you will be able to find someone to work for less, with less turnover 2) Maybe their products cost roughly 1/5th less there, have you looked up the exchange rates lately? 3) Maybe 1/5th is still a bundle there, and they're all getting rich (in comparison to their neighbors) > Just because they are in India or Brazil? > If we have a "World economy" why are the wages lower in India and Brazil? > You need to understand that this is not about self center Americans/ Please, a world economy doesn't mean we're all using the same currency, and that all products cost the same everywhere. Gasoline, for example, is regularly over $2.00 on the east and west coast, while in say, Minnesota, or Texas, it's usually around $1.30-$1.50 Sea food, on the other hand, is cheaper on the coast, and virtually unheard of in Minnesota. (Kinda like air conditioning.. =) > This is about "right and wrong". If the people being employed in india/brazil/mexico/etc felt they were being wronged, they wouldn't be begging american corporations to export jobs to their countries. > This is about people who own large percentages of American corporations > and the corporations they are sending the jobs to in other countries! Then stop bitching about how everything costs so much, and start paying attention to what companies are parent companies of the products you buy. Against smoking? Stop buying the following, because they are ALL products of Altria, aka Philip Morris. Boycotting a *single* company such as Philip Morris is insane when you look at the diverse markets they're in. Source: http://www.altria.com/investors/annual_report/products/products01.asp Refreshment Beverages * Capr * Country Time * Crystal Light * Kool-Aid * Tang Coffee * General Foods International Coffees * Gevalia * Maxwell House * Sanka * Starbucks * Yuban Desserts * Baker???s * Balance Bar * Breyers yogurt??? * Calumet * Certo * Cool Whip * Dream Whip * Ever-Fresh * Handi-Snacks * Jell-O * Light n??? Lively lowfat yogurt * Sure-Jell Cereals * Alpha-Bits * Banana Nut Crunch * Blueberry Morning * Bran Flakes * Cinna-Cluster Raisin Bran * Cranberry Almond Crunch * Cream of Wheat * Cream of Rice * Fruit & Fibre * Golden Crisp * Grape-Nuts * Great Grains * Honey Bunches of Oats * Honeycomb * Oreo * Pebbles * Raisin Bran * Shredded Wheat * Toasties * Waffle Crisp ookies & Crackers # Barnum???s Animals # Better Cheddars # Cheese Nips # Chips Ahoy! # Handi-Snacks # Honey Maid # Newtons # Nilla # Nutter Butter # Oreo # Premium # Ritz # SnackWell???s # Stella D???Oro # Teddy Grahams # Triscuit # Wheat Thins Snacks # Cornnuts # Planters nuts Pet Snacks # Milk-Bone Confectionery # Altoids # Callard & Bowser** # Creme Savers # Fruit Snacks # Gummi Savers # Jet-Puffed * Kraft caramels * Life Savers * Milka * Now and Later * Terry???s * Toblerone * Trolli Cheese * Athenos * Cheez Whiz * Churny * Cracker Barrel * Deli Deluxe * Easy Cheese * Hoffman???s * Kraft * Philadelphia * Polly-O * Velveeta Dairy Products * Breakstones sour cream, cottage cheese * Knudsen sour cream, cottage cheese * Kraft dips * Light n??? Lively lowfat cottage cheese Meals * Its Pasta Anytime * Kraft macaroni & cheese and other dinners * Minute * Stove Top * Taco Bell * Velveeta shells & cheese Enhancers * A.1. steak sauce, marinades & Worcestershire * Bull's Eye * Good Seasons * Grey Poupon * Kraft barbecue sauce, mayonnaise, salad dressings, mustard * Miracle Whip * Oven Fry * Seven Seas * Shake N Bake Oscar Mayer and Pizza Meats * Louis Rich * Louis Rich Carving Board * Lunchables * Oscar Mayer Meat Alternatives * Boca Pickles and Sauerkraut * Claussen Pizza * California Pizza Ki * DiGiorno * Jacks * Tombstone * Cerealitas * Chips Ahoy! * Club Social * Lucky * Oreo * Pacific Soda * Ritz * Terrabusi * Trakinas Confectionery * Alpen Gold * C?Or * Daim * Figaro * Freia * Karuna * Korona * Lacta * Life Savers * Marabou * Milka * Poiana * Pokrov * Prince Polo * Shot * Sonho de Valsa * Suchard * Sugus * Terrabusi * Terrys * Toblerone Salty Snacks * Estrella * Maarud * Planters Coffee * Blendy * Carte Noire * Dadak * Gaouar * Gevalia * Grand?? M??re * Kaffee HAG * Jacobs Ebony * Jacobs Kr??nung * Jacobs Milea * Jacobs Monarch * Jacques Vabre * Kenco * Maxim * Maxwell House * Nabob * Nova Brasilia * Onko * Saimaza * Samar * Splendid * Clight * Fresh * Frisco * Kool-Aid * Maguary * Q-Refres-Ko * Royal * Tang * Verao Cheese * Dairylea * Eden * El Caser??o * Invernizzi * Kraft Cracker Barrel * Kraft Lindenberger * Kraft Singles * Kraft Sottilette * Mama Luise * Philadelphia * P'tit Qu??bec Grocery * Birds * Kraft ketchup * Kraft mayonnaise * Kraft peanut butter * Kraft pourables * Magic Moments * Miracel Whip * Royal * Vegemite Convenient Meals * Dairylea Lunchables * Kraft Delissio pizza * Kraft Lunchables * Kraft macaroni & cheese and other dinners * Mir??coli * Simmenthal -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Sep 6 09:09:54 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastille - Root can't login to KDE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F59EAB2.8030003@visi.com> Yea, I wouldn't want to get rooted either, but then I'd learn how to fix a rooted machine ;o) I'm using a Linksys router to protect my home systems (6 - 7 machines). I thought about using a PC and software to protect my network, but this solution doesn't let anything in unless it's a port I've opened up. The only thing I have running to harden my Linux box is the Secure SHell daemon. I open port 22 to my Linux box.from my Linksys router. If I take a CD with Putty and other tools with me I can get to my linux box at home over the internet using a ssh tunnel. I also document everything I do on my Linux box because that helps me learn. If something clobbers my system in the future I can put it back together with the documents I have :o) When I document I write down everything I do to install the software. Where I got the information from Where I got the software from Why I need to do the install Each step in the process of installing the software Did I need to restart the system etc... I then put it in to an HTML formated document. I have posted 1 of these on my website and I'm going to post more in the future. I need to clean up about 25 documents before I can post them and time isn't on my side :-/ I did put the SSH document on my website www.screechowl.org click on Linux under the 3rd owl. I'm using Redhat 6.2 on my machines, if your using a different distro or different version you'll want to ignore my documents because they wont apply. BTW when you post make sure you put the distro and version of Linux you are using and the version of the software your trying to install, configure, or fix. This will help people on the list to help you. Sam. PHPTOm wrote: >It is a box at home that I am using. And I am still learning. I didn't >take anything you said wrong. I think that is all informative and I am >grateful for all feedback. I ran Bastille because I don't have a friggin' >clue about so much of the security stuff and I'd rather have Bastille have >it's way with my system than those dang romanians. > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Sam MacDonald >Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:44 PM >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Bastille - Root can't login to KDE > > >The reason "root" is not used is because 1 mistake can cause disaster, >however, I would venture a guess this is a machine at home. A machine >to learn Linux on and a machine that it's OK to rebuild at any time. > >Don't take this part wrong. >However you ran a system hardening tool without having a complete >understanding of the tool. With Linux it's best to read about the tool >you want to use, ask questions of the group for advice, then install the >tool. > >Don't get me wrong about this, I haven't used Bastille so I can't make >more then a guess. By definition a hardened system would not allow root >to use X, because root is not just an account to administer the system >with. "root" is the system account (someone correct me if I'm wrong or >off base) the account that runs the whole show. > >I have an account I created for administration of the Linux box. I also >have an account that I have my 9 year old son use (get'em early). The >only reason I would use "root" is to give the account I use for >administration more rights/permissions. As an administrator, using good >practices, I wouldn't use root for anything. I would keep the root >password in a safe place and change it often. After saying that I can >also say I'm guilty of using "root" for other purposes. > >On an isolated home systems lots of people use root because it "has the >power", "root" has way to much power to be used at all. In some cases >things can't be fixed when "root" is used. That's why having another >administrator account is important. > >This same thing is true for many windows systems at home, the >"administrator" account has the power, and makes it easy to add software >and hardware. The difference is that "root" has much more power then >"administrator". I would venture that "root" has an equivalent of >"system" and "administrator" in windows rolled in to 1 account. > >I've only had 1 corrupt "system" account in over 9 years of windows >administration. I still wonder how it happened because "system" can't be >used to login. It was NT 3.50 so I'm not loosing sleep over it now. > >Sam. > >Dan Rue wrote: > > > >>Tom Wurdock wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hey all, >>> >>>I ran Bastille Linux to try and harden up my system. Now I can't >>>login to KDE as root, not can I run/view certain programs. >>> >>> >>Why would you want to log into KDE as root in the first place? If you >>want to do rootly things, you should go to a command line and use "su" >>or "sudo". "man su" or "man sudo" at the command line for more >>information. >> >>That said, i'm sure there are ways in kde to do root things in the >>control panel or whatever without actually logging in as root. >>doesn't it prompt you for a password? I don't run KDE so I don't >>know, but you shouldn't ever need to log in as root. >> >>dan >> >> >> >>>It is not clear to me what part of the Bastille process did this. >>>Any help appreciated. >>> >>>TOm >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Sep 6 09:26:39 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [tcphp] Minnesota Labor Unions for web programming In-Reply-To: <20030906080923.GD6240@techmonkeys.org> References: <20030905160419.92464.qmail@web11804.mail.yahoo.com> <3F58D1C6.8040801@visi.com> <20030905235418.GA6240@techmonkeys.org> <3F594477.2040505@visi.com> <20030906080923.GD6240@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3F59EE9F.5040705@visi.com> All your reasons backup my reasons. Moving jobs to other countries in order to lower what you pay to employee's in the U.S.A. Is that the right thing to do? World economy is a means for executives to lower the cost of producing the products. Do yo ever see the price of these products go lower anywhere? Where do the dollars of lower cost go? In to the pockets of the stock holders and who owns the most stock, executives. For every job that moves to another country, thats another person in the U.S. that goes on unemployment insurance, bankruptcy, broken family, or even suicide. The impact on the U.S. is not in the minds of the executives. We are looking at over 500,000 I/T jobs going to other countries by 2005. Sam. Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 09:20:39PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>I disagree about the "long fruitless thread" thing. >> >>Do we tolerate the idea that people with the same skills we have get >>payed 1/5th what we get payed? >> >> > >I can think of a few reasons: > >1) High unemployment, this makes it more likely that you will be able to >find someone to work for less, with less turnover > >2) Maybe their products cost roughly 1/5th less there, have you looked >up the exchange rates lately? > >3) Maybe 1/5th is still a bundle there, and they're all getting rich >(in comparison to their neighbors) > > > >> Just because they are in India or Brazil? >>If we have a "World economy" why are the wages lower in India and Brazil? >>You need to understand that this is not about self center Americans/ >> >> > >Please, a world economy doesn't mean we're all using the same currency, and >that all products cost the same everywhere. Gasoline, for example, is regularly >over $2.00 on the east and west coast, while in say, Minnesota, or Texas, it's >usually around $1.30-$1.50 > >Sea food, on the other hand, is cheaper on the coast, and virtually unheard >of in Minnesota. (Kinda like air conditioning.. =) > > > >>This is about "right and wrong". >> >> > >If the people being employed in india/brazil/mexico/etc felt they were >being wronged, they wouldn't be begging american corporations to export jobs >to their countries. > > > >>This is about people who own large percentages of American corporations >>and the corporations they are sending the jobs to in other countries! >> >> > >Then stop bitching about how everything costs so much, and start paying >attention to what companies are parent companies of the products you buy. > >Against smoking? > >Stop buying the following, because they are ALL products of Altria, aka >Philip Morris. Boycotting a *single* company such as Philip Morris is insane >when you look at the diverse markets they're in. > >Source: http://www.altria.com/investors/annual_report/products/products01.asp > > >Refreshment Beverages > > * Capr > * Country Time > * Crystal Light > * Kool-Aid > * Tang > >Coffee > > * General Foods > International Coffees > * Gevalia > * Maxwell House > * Sanka > * Starbucks > * Yuban > >Desserts > > * Baker???s > * Balance Bar > * Breyers yogurt?? > * Calumet > * Certo > * Cool Whip > * Dream Whip > * Ever-Fresh > * Handi-Snacks > * Jell-O > * Light n??? Lively lowfat > yogurt > * Sure-Jell > >Cereals > > * Alpha-Bits > * Banana Nut Crunch > * Blueberry Morning > * Bran Flakes > * Cinna-Cluster Raisin > Bran > * Cranberry Almond > Crunch > * Cream of Wheat > * Cream of Rice > * Fruit & Fibre > * Golden Crisp > * Grape-Nuts > * Great Grains > * Honey Bunches of Oats > * Honeycomb > * Oreo > * Pebbles > * Raisin Bran > * Shredded Wheat > * Toasties > * Waffle Crisp > > >ookies & Crackers ># Barnum???s Animals ># Better Cheddars ># Cheese Nips ># Chips Ahoy! ># Handi-Snacks ># Honey Maid ># Newtons ># Nilla ># Nutter Butter ># Oreo ># Premium ># Ritz ># SnackWell???s ># Stella D???Oro ># Teddy Grahams ># Triscuit ># Wheat Thins > >Snacks ># Cornnuts ># Planters nuts > >Pet Snacks ># Milk-Bone > >Confectionery ># Altoids ># Callard & Bowser** ># Creme Savers ># Fruit Snacks ># Gummi Savers ># Jet-Puffed > > * Kraft caramels > * Life Savers > * Milka > * Now and Later > * Terry???s > * Toblerone > * Trolli > >Cheese > > * Athenos > * Cheez Whiz > * Churny > * Cracker Barrel > * Deli Deluxe > * Easy Cheese > * Hoffman???s > * Kraft > * Philadelphia > * Polly-O > * Velveeta > >Dairy Products > > * Breakstones sour > cream, cottage cheese > * Knudsen sour cream, > cottage cheese > * Kraft dips > * Light n??? Lively lowfat > cottage cheese > >Meals > > * Its Pasta Anytime > * Kraft macaroni & cheese > and other dinners > * Minute > * Stove Top > * Taco Bell > * Velveeta shells & cheese > > Enhancers > * A.1. steak sauce, > marinades & > Worcestershire > * Bull's Eye > * Good Seasons > * Grey Poupon > * Kraft barbecue sauce, > mayonnaise, salad > dressings, mustard > * Miracle Whip > * Oven Fry > * Seven Seas > * Shake N Bake > > Oscar Mayer and Pizza > > Meats > * Louis Rich > * Louis Rich Carving Board > * Lunchables > * Oscar Mayer > > Meat Alternatives > * Boca > > > Pickles and Sauerkraut > * Claussen > > > Pizza > * California Pizza Ki > * DiGiorno > * Jacks > * Tombstone > > * Cerealitas > * Chips Ahoy! > * Club Social > * Lucky > * Oreo > * Pacific Soda > * Ritz > * Terrabusi > * Trakinas > > > Confectionery > * Alpen Gold > > * C?Or > * Daim > * Figaro > * Freia > * Karuna > * Korona > * Lacta > * Life Savers > * Marabou > * Milka > * Poiana > * Pokrov > * Prince Polo > * Shot > * Sonho de Valsa > * Suchard > * Sugus > * Terrabusi > * Terrys > * Toblerone > >Salty Snacks > > * Estrella > * Maarud > * Planters > >Coffee > > * Blendy > * Carte Noire > * Dadak > * Gaouar > * Gevalia > * Grand?? M??re > * Kaffee HAG > * Jacobs Ebony > * Jacobs Kr??nung > * Jacobs Milea > * Jacobs Monarch > * Jacques Vabre > * Kenco > * Maxim > * Maxwell House > * Nabob > * Nova Brasilia > * Onko > * Saimaza > * Samar > * Splendid > > * Clight > * Fresh > * Frisco > * Kool-Aid > * Maguary > * Q-Refres-Ko > * Royal > * Tang > * Verao > > > Cheese > * Dairylea > * Eden > * El Caser??o > * Invernizzi > * Kraft Cracker Barrel > * Kraft Lindenberger > * Kraft Singles > * Kraft Sottilette > * Mama Luise > * Philadelphia > * P'tit Qu??bec > > > Grocery > * Birds > * Kraft ketchup > * Kraft mayonnaise > * Kraft peanut butter > * Kraft pourables > * Magic Moments > * Miracel Whip > * Royal > * Vegemite > > > Convenient Meals > * Dairylea Lunchables > * Kraft Delissio pizza > * Kraft Lunchables > * Kraft macaroni & cheese > and other dinners > * Mir??coli > * Simmenthal > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Sat Sep 6 10:26:24 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastille - Root can't login to KDE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <79B36988-E07E-11D7-A42F-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> On Friday, Sep 5, 2003, at 18:51 US/Central, Tom Wurdock wrote: > Hey all, > ? > I ran Bastille Linux to try and harden up my system.? Now I can't > login to KDE as root, not can I run/view certain programs.? It is not > clear to me what part of the Bastille process did this.? Any help > appreciated. Logging in to X as root is a bad idea. Login as a regular user and use "su" or "sudo" > ? > TOm > -- Ben Lutgens http://us-admins.com/~blutgens/ US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Sat Sep 6 10:27:13 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [tcphp] Minnesota Labor Unions for web programming In-Reply-To: <3F594477.2040505@visi.com> Message-ID: <96F97012-E07E-11D7-A42F-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> On Friday, Sep 5, 2003, at 21:20 US/Central, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I disagree about the "long fruitless thread" thing. OFF-TOPIC OFF-TOPIC Take this B.S. to some politics oriented mlist. > > Do we tolerate the idea that people with the same skills we have get > payed 1/5th what we get payed? > Just because they are in India or Brazil? > If we have a "World economy" why are the wages lower in India and > Brazil? > You need to understand that this is not about self center Americans/ > > This is about "right and wrong". > > This is about people who own large percentages of American > corporations and the corporations they are sending the jobs to in > other countries! > > Sam. > > Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 01:11:18PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: >> >>> OK, now lets not get upset with labor unions after all unions >>> represent workers. Believe me when I say that programmers and >>> everyone else who works in I/T are labor. We are the work force, by >>> definition the work force is labor. >>> >>> >> >> There are two kinds of unions: >> >> Unions who work for the employees to help insure their safety and fair >> treatment (labor such as coal mining, steel workers, railroad, etc) >> >> Unions who work to ensure that no matter how lazy, stupid, or >> incompetent >> their members are, they'll always have a job because if they don't, >> they'll >> all go on strike. (Rainbow foods and highway workers fall under this >> category) >> In an IT industry setting, I'm willing to bet it would be more of a >> category 2 union, seeing how there are plenty of incompetents out >> there >> who do nothing but leech the resources out of a company, and want >> protection >> from being fired for incompetency. >> >> Yes, moving phone support to $other_country is bad for the economy, >> but >> what do you expect when the general public doesn't care enough to show >> their feelings about it (by writing letters, or boycotting companies) >> >> FYI, AT&T/Comcast cable internet support is in Quebec, because they >> receive kickbacks for providing technical jobs there. >> >> With that said, this is totally off topic for the list, and is sure to >> spark a long fruitless thread. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens http://us-admins.com/~blutgens/ US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sat Sep 6 12:31:37 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ideas for future meetings Message-ID: <3F5A19F9.90600@eworld3.net> Ben, "Dru" and I were talking at the beer meeting about some ideas for presentations at future TCLUG meetings at the UofM. So I thought I would start a thread to solicited possible topics for future TCLUG meetings. Of course someone would have to volunteer to make the presentation. Here are the ideas that came up: LDAP firewalls intro to Linux ...and something that I would like someone to make happen: RevolutionOS documentary movie (http://www.revolution-os.com/) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Sep 6 12:55:32 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The box shop? In-Reply-To: <200309052327.23604.jack@jacku.com> References: <20030905132000.A30492@localhost.localdomain> <200309052327.23604.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: <3287.192.1.1.23.1062870932.squirrel@dccmn.com> Another good place for good used systems and monitors are some local sellers on ebay. Both allow local pick up, saving $10-30 in shipping. Just search of these users auctions: sla22 (In Brooklyn Center) & vitrack (Plymouth). sla22: I got a car load of Dell Optiplex GXi 450Mhz at $80/ea for school. And last year another batch of 333Mhz at $65. vitrack: A pair of 17" viewsonic monitor for $30/ea. I visited both places and they have a whole warehouse full. If you don't see what you want, e-mail them. Jack Ungerleider said: > On Friday 05 September 2003 01:20 pm, Karl Bongers wrote: >> I got a fax titled "Dirt Cheap" with ads from The Box Shop. >> Two stores, St. Paul 1828 Feronia Ave, off Fairview, or New Hope 8041 >> E. Research Center Rd. They appear to sell used and some new boxes. >> I may check them out on the way to the beer meeting. Any luggers >> check them out yet? >> > > I've been to the St Paul store a few times. I bought a replacement drive > for an old box there once. (It belonged to a client and they wanted the > cheapest solution possible.) I know someone who lives over that way and > has purchased a couple of machines from them and they work fine. > > YMMV. > > Jack > > -- > Jack Ungerleider > jack@jacku.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Sat Sep 6 13:01:16 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OFFFTOPIC) Minnesota Labor Unions for web programming In-Reply-To: <96F97012-E07E-11D7-A42F-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> References: <3F594477.2040505@visi.com> <96F97012-E07E-11D7-A42F-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> Message-ID: <20030906180116.GB16450@skuld.wookimus.net> Sam MacDonald == Sam Sam> I disagree about the "long fruitless thread" thing. Ben Lutgens == Ben Ben> OFF-TOPIC OFF-TOPIC. Ben> Take this B.S. to some politics oriented mlist. Sam, I think it has been expressed by a number of people that this thread is not welcome on the list. Bring up this discussion at a Beer meeting, or strike up a conversation on any of the various newsgroups dedicated to politics: soc.politics misc.activism Search on google for '"information technology" labor or trade and union'. I'm sure you'll find someone who wants to talk to you. Regardless, this thread is hitting my killfile shortly. Cheers! -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll keep at it and let you know. -mj And hence AUTHOR wrote: Wayne Johnson > Another good place for good used systems and monitors are some local > sellers on ebay. Both allow local pick up, saving $10-30 in shipping. > Just search of these users auctions: sla22 (In Brooklyn Center) & > vitrack (Plymouth). > --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at toyotavans.org Fri Sep 5 22:37:32 2003 From: mj at toyotavans.org (M. Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [tcphp] Minnesota Labor Unions for web programming In-Reply-To: <20030905235418.GA6240@techmonkeys.org> References: <20030905160419.92464.qmail@web11804.mail.yahoo.com> <3F58D1C6.8040801@visi.com> <20030905235418.GA6240@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3F59567C.2030004@toyotavans.org> > FYI, AT&T/Comcast cable internet support is in Quebec, because they > receive kickbacks for providing technical jobs there. > Heh. that's exactly why and where my job went. :) I suppose with todays remote administration tools, both hardware and software, it only makes monitary sense to have foreign admins working your St. Paul data center. Businesses are in business to make money. Canadians don't scare me much, but when folks in the mid east start 'running' shit like that over here it scares the hell out of me. -mj _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sat Sep 6 16:59:08 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ideas for future meetings In-Reply-To: <3F5A19F9.90600@eworld3.net> References: <3F5A19F9.90600@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030906215908.GA27020@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 12:31:37PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > Ben, "Dru" and I were talking at the beer meeting about some ideas for > presentations at future TCLUG meetings at the UofM. [snip] > Here are the ideas that came up: > LDAP ++ -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From np at f-matic.net Sun Sep 7 00:19:42 2003 From: np at f-matic.net (nick phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] book questions Message-ID: <1062911982.8717.2.camel@debian> hello list, just wondering if anyone here has any of knuth's "art of computer programming" that they would be willing to give up for a little less than the full retail price? i'm interested in picking up a copy, particularly of volume 1, and i'd prefer to go the local route before hitting amazon's used section. thanks! nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sun Sep 7 09:17:11 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] book questions In-Reply-To: <1062911982.8717.2.camel@debian> References: <1062911982.8717.2.camel@debian> Message-ID: <20030907141711.GA17985@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 12:19:42AM -0500, nick phillips wrote: > hello list, > > just wondering if anyone here has any of knuth's "art of computer > programming" that they would be willing to give up for a little less > than the full retail price? i'm interested in picking up a copy, > particularly of volume 1, and i'd prefer to go the local route before > hitting amazon's used section. > I saw a copy of Knuth 1 for sale in a used bookstore in dinkytown yesterday. I think it was the bookstore just north of Espresso Royale. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Sun Sep 7 10:16:30 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (amy@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ideas for future meetings In-Reply-To: <20030906215908.GA27020@mail.el-swifto.com>; from trammell+tclug@el-swifto.com on Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 04:59:08PM -0500 References: <3F5A19F9.90600@eworld3.net> <20030906215908.GA27020@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20030907101630.F494@real-time.com> On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 04:59:08PM -0500, John J. Trammell (trammell+tclug@el-swifto.com) wrote: > On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 12:31:37PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > > Ben, "Dru" and I were talking at the beer meeting about some ideas for > > presentations at future TCLUG meetings at the UofM. > [snip] > > Here are the ideas that came up: > > LDAP > ++ What kinds of things you do want to know about ldap? How to use it for authentication or for addressbook-type stuff? I've worked with ldap off and on the past few years but pretty intensely the past 6 months, so I could probably give a talk on it. But I'd like to know what exactly people are hoping to learn. The topic can be quite broad. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any >>luggers check them out yet? >> >> >> > >I've been to the St Paul store a few times. I bought a replacement drive for >an old box there once. (It belonged to a client and they wanted the cheapest >solution possible.) I know someone who lives over that way and has purchased >a couple of machines from them and they work fine. > >YMMV. > >Jack > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Sun Sep 7 10:37:18 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: <20030829150846.GD10227@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:08:46AM -0500 References: <3F4E6D45.50801@mttcc.com> <20030828164956.D406@thinkunix.net> <4572.64.83.200.253.1062112567.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net> <20030829150846.GD10227@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030907103718.B22995@thinkunix.net> anyone know of a place here in the Twin Cities that sells the Orinoco cards? Clay Fandre wrote: > I second the Orinoco card. I have 2 laptops, one with an Orinoco > Silver and another with a Linksys. I'm lucky to get a signal in many > parts of my house with the Linksys while the Orinoco has no problems > at all. Plus the Orinoco has an external antenna connector if I really > want to have some fun. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Sep 7 12:08:20 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ideas for future meetings In-Reply-To: <20030907101630.F494@real-time.com> References: <3F5A19F9.90600@eworld3.net> <20030906215908.GA27020@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030907101630.F494@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 amy@real-time.com wrote: > What kinds of things you do want to know about ldap? How to use it for > authentication or for addressbook-type stuff? I've worked with ldap off and > on the past few years but pretty intensely the past 6 months, so I could > probably give a talk on it. But I'd like to know what exactly people > are hoping to learn. The topic can be quite broad. i think i would most like to see something about using ldap for authentication, basically as a NIS replacement. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Sep 7 12:32:27 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ideas for future meetings In-Reply-To: <3F5A19F9.90600@eworld3.net> References: <3F5A19F9.90600@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <1062955946.9121.1088.camel@3po> On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 12:31, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > Here are the ideas that came up: > > LDAP > firewalls > intro to Linux Linux as a PVR (MythTV and friends) adding onto the firewall thing: using hostap (etc) for 802.11 -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Uh oh. Now you've done it. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030907/7429640e/attachment.pgp From david at acz.org Sun Sep 7 16:20:03 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba over SSH Message-ID: <002201c37585$cd8ff650$0201a8c0@brinstar> I have a local Debian box and a remote FreeBSD box. I can edit files on the remote box over SSH, but it would be much nicer if I could edit them locally. Until today, I never realized how easy it is to do just that. My first thought was to try and tunnel NFS, but NFS is complicated, so that sounds messy. My next idea was Samba. I like Samba because it is easy to use and the server side runs entirely in user space. This means I could mount just about any box's remote file system. I'm Feeling Lucky for "samba over ssh" gave me this: http://www.ibiblio.org/gferg/ldp/Samba-with-SSH/ Wow, mounting a share over Samba merely requires a single TCP port. I always setup Samba with the "homes" share enabled read-write, so I can mount my home directory from Windows. That makes this really easy. First create the SSH tunnel: ssh -qfN -L 2050:localhost:139 bob@mybox.example.com Then mount it: mkdir mybox smbmount //localhost/bob mybox -o username=bob,port=2050 This can be wrapped up into simple shell script: #!/bin/sh USER=bob HOST=mybox.example.com DIR=mybox PORT=2050 [ -d $DIR ] || mkdir $DIR [ $(ls -1 $DIR | wc -l) -eq 0 ] || exit ssh -qfN -L $PORT:localhost:139 $USER@$HOST smbmount //localhost/$USER $DIR -o username=$USER,port=$PORT -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hixson at poindextrose.org Sun Sep 7 14:44:08 2003 From: hixson at poindextrose.org (Matthew Hixson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Alaris WeeCam support for Linux? Message-ID: Hi Brian, I found a posting from a couple years ago where you were trying to find a Linux driver for the Alaris WeeCam. I have one of these and was wondering if you had gotten it to work. Thanks, -M@ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dane at sihope.com Sun Sep 7 16:40:07 2003 From: dane at sihope.com (Dan Empanger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The box shop? References: <20030905132000.A30492@localhost.localdomain> <200309052327.23604.jack@jacku.com> <3F5B51CB.5000401@visi.com> Message-ID: <000d01c37588$9e103450$0300000a@danetech330ba4> Don't forget Que Computers on East Hennepin Ave in Minneapolis. Good place to shop for used equipment. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam MacDonald" To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The box shop? > With Dexis closed as a retain place it's good to hear other places have > opened up. > > Sam. > > Jack Ungerleider wrote: > > >On Friday 05 September 2003 01:20 pm, Karl Bongers wrote: > > > > > >>I got a fax titled "Dirt Cheap" with ads from The Box Shop. > >>Two stores, St. Paul 1828 Feronia Ave, off Fairview, or New Hope > >>8041 E. Research Center Rd. They appear to sell used and some new > >>boxes. I may check them out on the way to the beer meeting. Any > >>luggers check them out yet? > >> > >> > >> > > > >I've been to the St Paul store a few times. I bought a replacement drive for > >an old box there once. (It belonged to a client and they wanted the cheapest > >solution possible.) I know someone who lives over that way and has purchased > >a couple of machines from them and they work fine. > > > >YMMV. > > > >Jack > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Sun Sep 7 22:53:08 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fw: /. link Linux distro on your router? Message-ID: <1062993188.1136.93.camel@lotsa> Does anyone have a LinkSys WRT54G Router? This Guy has a little linux distro that runs entirely on the routers ramdisk with httpd and more. If anyone has this router I'd be interested to hear their experience with this. A script writes linux to the ramdisk and it runs there until you power cycle. http://www.batbox.org/wrt54g-linux.html -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Sun Sep 7 22:51:38 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ideas for future meetings In-Reply-To: References: <3F5A19F9.90600@eworld3.net> <20030907101630.F494@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200309072251.38471@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Sunday 07 September 2003 12:08 pm, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 amy@real-time.com wrote: > > What kinds of things you do want to know about ldap? How to use it for > > authentication or for addressbook-type stuff? I've worked with ldap off > > and on the past few years but pretty intensely the past 6 months, so I > > could probably give a talk on it. But I'd like to know what exactly > > people are hoping to learn. The topic can be quite broad. > > i think i would most like to see something about using ldap for > authentication, basically as a NIS replacement. How about a series of articles? Like a detailed presentation based loosely on a format of the HOWTOs? Like: 1. Where to get it 2. How to compile it 3. How to compile with all the stuff you need to make it secure X. LDAP as a NIS replacement X+1. LDAP as an addressbook ... -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Sun Sep 7 23:10:46 2003 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail drive thrashing In-Reply-To: References: <1173.192.168.70.30.1062732909.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: <1116.192.168.70.30.1062994246.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Adam, your awsome. Just happened to be walking by the server this evening, and the drives where cranking away. I real quick used lsof and noticed a ton of enties pointing to the /var/spool/clientmqueue folder. I went an checked the folder, and there where 389,120 messages in it. They where 2 messages coming from a cron job that was running every 10 minutes, then another one every 4 hours saying that it could not get the original messages delivered and continuted to do so for 5 days until it gave up trying to deliver the message to root. Deleted all of the messages, thrashing stopped. Next question... how do I make sure that my cron job doesn't try to send a message to root when it runs? Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction. Jim > smmsp is the sendmail submission queue runner. It's a seperate sendmail > process that runs /var/spool/clientmqueue, which I believe is where > Sendmail drops outbound messages before delivery (for security through > privelege seperation). You might have a bunch of messages in the queue > that it's trying to process. > > If that queue is empty, use lsof or fstat to see what files the smmsp > user has open when the problem starts. > > On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Jim Streit wrote: > >> I have recently noticed a weird thing happening on a server that I >> have. A few times a day, the drives on my server start thrashing, >> like they are doing a massive read or write. If I look at TOP while >> this is happening the only thing that really shows active CPU cycles >> is sendmail. It uses about 8% of the processing power of the box. >> After about 10 minutes, the thrashing stops and that sendmail thread >> stops (user smmsp). During the thrashing there isn't any noticeable >> performance slowdown. >> >> The Box... >> IBM Netserver 5000 >> 2 GB RAM >> Dual PIII 550 >> 3x18 gb hot-swap scsi drives (RAID 5) >> Redhat 9.0 (with all of the latest RedHat up2date updates) >> Sendmail 8.12.8-6.90 >> >> Anyone have any ideas on what my be causing this? >> >> -- >> Jim Streit >> Partner & Co-Founder >> NorthLANs Alliance, LLC >> JimStreit@northlans.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Sep 8 00:14:30 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail drive thrashing References: <1173.192.168.70.30.1062732909.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> <1116.192.168.70.30.1062994246.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: <000c01c375c8$14f2eec0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Jim Streit writes: > Next question... how do I make sure that my cron job doesn't try to > send a message to root when it runs? Any output from cron is mailed to the owner of the cron job. What you want to do is make sure there is no output. Do this by redirecting the output: command > /dev/null The above redirects stdout (file descriptor 1) to /dev/null. Many commands write error messages to stderr (fd 2). If you also want to discard error messages, do this: command > /dev/null 2>&1 The above makes stderr a copy of stdout. You can also specifically redirect each descriptor: command > /dev/null 2> /dev/null -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Sep 8 07:52:16 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Alaris WeeCam support for Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030908125216.GA17391@skuld.wookimus.net> Hey, Matthew. You may want to alter how you send out your email. You're currently sending through an open relay that is registered in at least two different places. Osirusoft and NJABL. Given that, your email will always be tagged as spam for me unless I whitelist you in my spamassassin config. Suggestion: visit Osirusoft and NJABL and find out why 246.144.124.206 is being tagged as an open relay. If this is your personal machine, I would suggest locking down your relay permissions to localhost only or SMTP+TLS+SMTPAUTH. On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 12:44:08PM -0700, Matthew Hixson wrote: > Content analysis details: (5.30 points, 5 required) > USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL (0.0 points) X-Mailer header indicates a non-spam MUA (Apple Mail) > RCVD_IN_NJABL (0.9 points) RBL: Received via a relay in dnsbl.njabl.org > [RBL check: found 246.144.124.206.dnsbl.njabl.org.] > RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM (1.0 points) RBL: Received via a relay in relays.osirusoft.com > [RBL check: found 246.144.124.206.relays.osirusoft.com.] > X_OSIRU_OPEN_RELAY (2.9 points) RBL: DNSBL: sender is Confirmed Open Relay > X_NJABL_OPEN_PROXY (0.5 points) RBL: NJABL: sender is proxy/relay/formmail/spam-source -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If this is your personal machine, I > would suggest locking down your relay permissions to localhost only or > SMTP+TLS+SMTPAUTH. visiting osirusoft would be rather hard as they are defunct. osirusoft is DEAD, you should not be using them anymore. > On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 12:44:08PM -0700, Matthew Hixson wrote: > > Content analysis details: (5.30 points, 5 required) > > USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL (0.0 points) X-Mailer header indicates a non-spam MUA (Apple Mail) > > RCVD_IN_NJABL (0.9 points) RBL: Received via a relay in dnsbl.njabl.org > > [RBL check: found 246.144.124.206.dnsbl.njabl.org.] > > RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM (1.0 points) RBL: Received via a relay in relays.osirusoft.com > > [RBL check: found 246.144.124.206.relays.osirusoft.com.] > > X_OSIRU_OPEN_RELAY (2.9 points) RBL: DNSBL: sender is Confirmed Open Relay > > X_NJABL_OPEN_PROXY (0.5 points) RBL: NJABL: sender is proxy/relay/formmail/spam-source Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Mon Sep 8 08:34:32 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest reminder Message-ID: Hi All, An RSVP that just arrived in my inbox reminded me that the Installfest is this Saturday. I'll (hopefully) see you all there. Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Mon Sep 8 08:40:07 2003 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail drive thrashing In-Reply-To: <000c01c375c8$14f2eec0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <1173.192.168.70.30.1062732909.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> <1116.192.168.70.30.1062994246.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> <000c01c375c8$14f2eec0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <2704.65.116.187.220.1063028407.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Thanks Dave. > Jim Streit writes: >> Next question... how do I make sure that my cron job doesn't try to >> send a message to root when it runs? > > Any output from cron is mailed to the owner of the cron job. What you > want to do is make sure there is no output. Do this by redirecting the > output: > > command > /dev/null > > The above redirects stdout (file descriptor 1) to /dev/null. Many > commands write error messages to stderr (fd 2). If you also want to > discard error messages, do this: > > command > /dev/null 2>&1 > > The above makes stderr a copy of stdout. You can also specifically > redirect each descriptor: > > command > /dev/null 2> /dev/null > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jim Streit Partner & Co-Founder NorthLANs Alliance, LLC JimStreit@northlans.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Mon Sep 8 09:09:58 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest reminder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030908140958.65837.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Looking forward to it. Excellent timing too, as I just had a bad install of mandrake 9.1 on my box, and figured I'd just reformat and wait for an installfest to get some help and pointers on my install. Is there any sort of sign up? I know you mentioned that we would most likely have to sign in at the security desk, but I'm assuming that's just company policy (btw, I'm hoping the security guards are expecting people coming for the installfest, nothing like getting the 3rd degree about why you're there dragging a computer around). Also, just to reiterate, is there anything else I should bring besides my box? I'm thinking probably a ethernet and power cable, but will there be enough monitors/keyboards/mouses/power strips/hubs and or switches? Thanks for hosting another installfest, hope to see ya Saturday. Joel --- Bruce Broecker wrote: > Hi All, > > An RSVP that just arrived in my inbox reminded me that the Installfest > is this Saturday. > I'll (hopefully) see you all there. > > Bruce > > > Bruce Broecker > Network Comm Supervisor > The Toro Company > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Mon Sep 8 09:17:41 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest reminder Message-ID: Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> joel_cd@yahoo.com 09/08/03 09:09AM >>> >Is there any sort of sign up? I know you mentioned that we would most >likely have to sign in at the security desk, but I'm assuming that's just >company policy (btw, I'm hoping the security guards are expecting people >coming for the installfest, nothing like getting the 3rd degree about why >you're there dragging a computer around). Yes, the security guards will be expecting us. It will be up to them whether you need to sign in, but it's a one minute process. There's also a sign up on the installfest web page, but I'm only using it as a guage to measure expected numbers. >Also, just to reiterate, is there anything else I should bring besides my >box? I'm thinking probably a ethernet and power cable, but will there be >enough monitors/keyboards/mouses/power strips/hubs and or switches? Power Strips and patch cords are a good idea. As for monitors, keyboards, and mice, I can't guarantee any of that stuff will be available. As far as I know, standard installfest guidelines suggest you bring your own. Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Mon Sep 8 09:45:00 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastille - Root can't login to KDE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1063032299.1136.117.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 18:51, Tom Wurdock wrote: > I ran Bastille Linux to try and harden up my system. Now I can't > login to KDE as root, not can I run/view certain programs. It is not > clear to me what part of the Bastille process did this. Any help > appreciated. Hello TOm, I see no one has any insight as to what Bastille did to make you unable to log into KDE as a root. I don't either :). I agree with everyone that logging into X as root is a bad idea. That doesn't help you because you've set up things using the KDE as root. I thought there was a way you could undo the changes which Bastille makes. It has bee a while since I've run it but I'm sure there is a log someplace of the changes which Bastille made. You should be able to undo everything and run it again and try to figure out which question affects your "root KDE login" problem. For future reference: You should not, as a general rule, use a GUI to configure server stuff. If your learning from scratch, learn to configure things with a text editor. There are many reasons for this. 1- The GUI setup interfaces are never going to give you all the features that are available. 2- Configuring from the command line us usually just as easy, or easier, as using a GUI once you are comfortable using a text editor and the shell (Bash). 3- It much easier to make changes remotely from a shell session. (over ssh) 4- running X as root is a security problem. This list gets longer but you get the point. - Tom -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Mon Sep 8 10:25:52 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying worm Message-ID: <200309081025.52692.peter-clark@bethel.edu> I've been getting a "security announcement" from "Microsoft" saying that I should install a patch yada yada yada. Fortunately, my email host strips out the attachment, but it's starting to get annoying. Looking at the headers, it looks as though it's coming from c-67-167-47-217.client.comcast.net [67.167.47.217], so I'm guessing that someone's got a wormed computer on a cable modem. Suggestions? :Peter _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Sep 8 10:43:18 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying worm In-Reply-To: <200309081025.52692.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <200309081025.52692.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <20030908154318.GA22109@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:25:52AM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > I've been getting a "security announcement" from "Microsoft" saying that I > should install a patch yada yada yada. Fortunately, my email host strips out > the attachment, but it's starting to get annoying. Looking at the headers, it > looks as though it's coming from c-67-167-47-217.client.comcast.net > [67.167.47.217], so I'm guessing that someone's got a wormed computer on a > cable modem. Suggestions? > :Peter > man procmail -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From isla0005 at umn.edu Mon Sep 8 03:28:02 2003 From: isla0005 at umn.edu (Mohammed W Islam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd/Sendmail virus filter Message-ID: <200309080828.h888S2vd029397@fantasy.software.umn.edu> Hello Good people og TCLUG. Can anyone suggest any open source or free virus filter for my Freebsd4.5/Sendmail installation ? recently I am being bombarded by these .pif stuff which is a true annoyance. Apu _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon Sep 8 10:47:41 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying worm In-Reply-To: <200309081025.52692.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: Setup a rule to bit-bucket anything with that address in the headers, OR anything with the common subject line or message text? You could possibly scan your old mail for messages that originated from a local comcast.net IP, and figure out who it is. This is probably someone that has you in their address book, so you might not want to block all of their mail, it's probably someone that you know. I would bet that larts sent to comcast.net about infected machines are "filed deep inside the earth's crust", so complaining to abuse@ probably won't do much for you. On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Peter Clark wrote: > I've been getting a "security announcement" from "Microsoft" saying that I > should install a patch yada yada yada. Fortunately, my email host strips out > the attachment, but it's starting to get annoying. Looking at the headers, it > looks as though it's coming from c-67-167-47-217.client.comcast.net > [67.167.47.217], so I'm guessing that someone's got a wormed computer on a > cable modem. Suggestions? > :Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Sep 8 10:48:16 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying worm In-Reply-To: <200309081025.52692.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Peter Clark wrote: > I've been getting a "security announcement" from "Microsoft" saying > that I should install a patch yada yada yada. Fortunately, my email > host strips out the attachment, but it's starting to get annoying. > Looking at the headers, it looks as though it's coming from > c-67-167-47-217.client.comcast.net [67.167.47.217], so I'm guessing > that someone's got a wormed computer on a cable modem. Suggestions? Put a filter in your MUA (or procmail, if Bethel supports it) to /dev/null anything with that IP in the headers? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Sep 8 10:48:50 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying worm In-Reply-To: <200309081025.52692.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <200309081025.52692.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <20030908154850.GB17391@skuld.wookimus.net> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:25:52AM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > I've been getting a "security announcement" from "Microsoft" saying > that I should install a patch yada yada yada. Fortunately, my email > host strips out the attachment, but it's starting to get annoying. > Looking at the headers, it looks as though it's coming from > c-67-167-47-217.client.comcast.net [67.167.47.217], so I'm guessing > that someone's got a wormed computer on a cable modem. Suggestions? # Standard scoring filter for procmail :0 * -99^0 * 100^1 ^Content-type:.*(word|excel|\.pif|\.scr|\.com) * 100^1 ^Received.*c-67-67-47-217.client.comcast.net * 50^1 security announcement * 25^1 microsoft * 0^0 ^Message-Id: \/.* { LOG="Killed Message-Id: $MATCH" :0 /dev/null } -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tie it in using your favorite Milter interface, such as Mimedefang or IVS-Milter. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Mon Sep 8 10:54:39 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying worm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309081054.39804.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Monday 08 September 2003 10:47 am, Adam Maloney wrote: > Setup a rule to bit-bucket anything with that address in the headers, OR > anything with the common subject line or message text? You could possibly > scan your old mail for messages that originated from a local comcast.net > IP, and figure out who it is. Sure, that's the way to solve the problem at my end. But if I'm getting this junk, then I'm sure others are as well. It seems to me that the right thing to do would be to find out who is sending it out, so they can get their computer de-wormed. > This is probably someone that has you in their address book, so you might > not want to block all of their mail, it's probably someone that you know. Exactly. Procmail et al are fine for blocking spam, but I don't think it's a good idea to use it in all cases, especially when it's a worm sending out large attachments. Sure, I can ignore the problem by filtering it out, but that doesn't really solve the problem, does it? > I would bet that larts sent to comcast.net about infected machines are > "filed deep inside the earth's crust", so complaining to abuse@ probably > won't do much for you. Curses. My address book lists one person who uses Comcast, so I'll start with them. But I was hoping that Comcast would be more responsive. :Peter _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Mon Sep 8 11:31:03 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SpamAssassin with email aliases Message-ID: <3F5CAEC7.CA627E48@ppdonline.com> Hello again, I'm finally getting around to trying this but the solution below assumes that there is a file in /var for the user's mailbox, with aliases this isn't the case (unless they're hiding elsewhere in which case if someone would point me to them I'd appreciate it). Anyway, where should I redirect the output to for an email alias? Thanks, Ben. Wayne Johnson said: > Not tried this, so take it with a grain of whatever... > > The alias file will allow you to direct mail to an application, as well > as other mailboxes. Maybe something like: > > FredWrench: "| /path/to/spamassassin -l /var/mail/JoeUser" > > > Ben Bargabus said: >> Hello, >> I've installed spamassassin but can't seem to find any way of making >> it function with email aliases. That is, I have several addresses of >> the form user@mydomain.com that simply redirect to another mailbox on >> a second server (using the aliases file in sendmail). I installed >> spamassassin and told it to filter for all mailboxes but that seems to >> only apply to local mailboxes not those that are redirected. Does >> anyone know how to make spamassassin filter my aliased email as well? >> Better yet, anyone know of a HOWTO for this topic? I've tried >> googling but there are too many other references to alias and >> redirection (not related to my use of the term) in spamassassin sites >> (if someone has a suggestion as to a better term to use I'd be open to >> that as well). Thanks, >> Ben. >> >> PS configuration of my server: FreeBSD 4.4 release 9 and sendmail as >> my mail daemon. Apache 1.3 (in case for some reason that matters). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon Sep 8 11:43:16 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dns after /etc/hosts Message-ID: Hi- on my system it seems that DNS is getting hit before /etc/hosts for lookups. Where does one go about setting the lookup order in linux (mandrake 9.1) I tried /etc/nsswitch.conf but it look good to me as is: hosts: files nisplus nis dns _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Mon Sep 8 11:57:26 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dns after /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: ; from johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com on Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 11:43:16AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030908115726.B22423@thinkunix.net> try /etc/host.conf, should look like: order hosts,bind multi on Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > on my system it seems that DNS is getting hit before /etc/hosts for > lookups. Where does one go about setting the lookup order in linux > (mandrake 9.1) > > I tried /etc/nsswitch.conf but it look good to me as is: > > hosts: files nisplus nis dns -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Mon Sep 8 13:00:35 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying worm In-Reply-To: <200309081054.39804.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <200309081054.39804.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <200309081300.35365@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Monday 08 September 2003 10:54 am, Peter Clark wrote: > On Monday 08 September 2003 10:47 am, Adam Maloney wrote: > > Setup a rule to bit-bucket anything with that address in the headers, OR > > anything with the common subject line or message text? You could > > possibly scan your old mail for messages that originated from a local > > comcast.net IP, and figure out who it is. > > Sure, that's the way to solve the problem at my end. But if I'm getting > this junk, then I'm sure others are as well. It seems to me that the right > thing to do would be to find out who is sending it out, so they can get > their computer de-wormed. You must have way more time and energy then most people :-) As a linux adovcate, I'd much rather see you spend your time and energy advocating linux (and linux email clients) then beating your head against the win32 virus wall. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon Sep 8 13:31:07 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dns after /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <20030908115726.B22423@thinkunix.net> References: <20030908115726.B22423@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 11:57:26 -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: > try /etc/host.conf, should look like: > > order hosts,bind > multi on oops - sorry, forgot to add that to the orginal post: # cat /etc/host.conf order hosts,bind multi on # looked good to me.... > > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> on my system it seems that DNS is getting hit before /etc/hosts for >> lookups. Where does one go about setting the lookup order in linux >> (mandrake 9.1) >> >> I tried /etc/nsswitch.conf but it look good to me as is: >> >> hosts: files nisplus nis dns > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon Sep 8 14:00:09 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dns after /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: References: <20030908115726.B22423@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: Don't know what's going on here... I rebooted and my hostname changed to "userimage".. I reset that then was poking around in /etc saw that my beefy host file was backed up to hosts.mdkgiorig and a crappy hosts file was in it's place... I fixed that and now everything is fine... strange events happening here... hummmm.... ------- Forwarded message ------- From: Johnny Fulcrum To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dns after /etc/hosts Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 13:31:07 -0500 > On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 11:57:26 -0500, Scot Jenkins > wrote: > >> try /etc/host.conf, should look like: >> >> order hosts,bind >> multi on > > oops - sorry, forgot to add that to the orginal post: > > # cat /etc/host.conf > order hosts,bind > multi on > # > > looked good to me.... > > > >> >> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >>> on my system it seems that DNS is getting hit before /etc/hosts for >>> lookups. Where does one go about setting the lookup order in linux >>> (mandrake 9.1) >>> >>> I tried /etc/nsswitch.conf but it look good to me as is: >>> >>> hosts: files nisplus nis dns >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spidler at superiorman.com Mon Sep 8 14:52:14 2003 From: spidler at superiorman.com (spidler@superiorman.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unistalling Mandrake Message-ID: <60906.82.68.89.206.1063050734.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> I feel like an idiot comming to this LUG asking how to UNintall Linux, but I think I made a mistake. Skip ahead if you don't care why. I'm very much a newbie to anything Linix or Unix, and wanted to learn, and thought that maybe the best way to do it would be to just install it and jump right in, so I did. But, I realized that I need to use XP on this computer, to do things I can't do on Linux yet, and I don't have the time to learn. So in the Installation of Mandrake, I reformated the HD. So, I have Mandrake on here now, but I don't know how to get it off. I put the XP CD into the CD-ROM drive, which before booted automatically, but as of now all I get is Linux. LINUX LINUX LINUX! Does anyone know how I can get the XP installer running? I do believe it has an option to reformat during the installation of XP, which would get rid of Mandrake on my Harddrive. So, any help? thanks Micah _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon Sep 8 15:01:49 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unistalling Mandrake In-Reply-To: <60906.82.68.89.206.1063050734.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> References: <60906.82.68.89.206.1063050734.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 20:52:14 +0100 (BST), wrote: > I feel like an idiot comming to this LUG asking how to UNintall Linux, > but I > think I made a mistake. Skip ahead if you don't care why. I'm very much a > newbie to anything Linix or Unix, and wanted to learn, and thought that > maybe the best way to do it would be to just install it and jump right > in, > so I did. But, I realized that I need to use XP on this computer, to do > things I can't do on Linux yet, and I don't have the time to learn. > > So in the Installation of Mandrake, I reformated the HD. So, I have > Mandrake > on here now, but I don't know how to get it off. > I think you have to get lilo off the boot sector: in linux this is done by: lilo -u /dev/hda (or whatever device it's on...) or if you can use a dos boot disk: FDISK /MBR I think might do the trick.. (assuming it's on your boot disk!) This may get you pointed in the right direction (?) > I put the XP CD into the CD-ROM drive, which before booted automatically, > but as of now all I get is Linux. LINUX LINUX LINUX! > > Does anyone know how I can get the XP installer running? I do believe it > has > an option to reformat during the installation of XP, which would get rid > of > Mandrake on my Harddrive. > > So, any help? > > thanks > > Micah > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spidler at superiorman.com Mon Sep 8 15:10:37 2003 From: spidler at superiorman.com (spidler@superiorman.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unistalling Mandrake In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60925.82.68.89.206.1063051837.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> Um, ok, did I mention I was an idiot? > On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 20:52:14 +0100 (BST), > wrote: > >> I feel like an idiot comming to this LUG asking how to UNintall Linux, >> but I >> think I made a mistake. Skip ahead if you don't care why. I'm very >> much a newbie to anything Linix or Unix, and wanted to learn, and >> thought that maybe the best way to do it would be to just install it >> and jump right in, >> so I did. But, I realized that I need to use XP on this computer, to >> do things I can't do on Linux yet, and I don't have the time to learn. >> >> So in the Installation of Mandrake, I reformated the HD. So, I have >> Mandrake >> on here now, but I don't know how to get it off. >> > > > I think you have to get lilo off the boot sector: > > in linux this is done by: > > lilo -u /dev/hda > (or whatever device it's on...) Ok, I don't know what I'm doing at all, remember? Where do I put the lilo -u command? > > or if you can use a dos boot disk: > > FDISK /MBR > I think might do the trick.. (assuming it's on your boot disk!) > > This may get you pointed in the right direction (?) > > and a dos boot disk ... ? hat's that? thank you for your help, you'll just have to excuse my ignorance. > > > >> I put the XP CD into the CD-ROM drive, which before booted >> automatically, but as of now all I get is Linux. LINUX LINUX LINUX! >> >> Does anyone know how I can get the XP installer running? I do believe >> it has >> an option to reformat during the installation of XP, which would get >> rid of >> Mandrake on my Harddrive. >> >> So, any help? >> >> thanks >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon Sep 8 15:23:30 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unistalling Mandrake In-Reply-To: <60925.82.68.89.206.1063051837.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> References: <60925.82.68.89.206.1063051837.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:10:37 +0100 (BST), wrote: > Um, ok, did I mention I was an idiot? > >> On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 20:52:14 +0100 (BST), >> wrote: >> >>> I feel like an idiot comming to this LUG asking how to UNintall Linux, >>> but I >>> think I made a mistake. Skip ahead if you don't care why. I'm very >>> much a newbie to anything Linix or Unix, and wanted to learn, and >>> thought that maybe the best way to do it would be to just install it >>> and jump right in, >>> so I did. But, I realized that I need to use XP on this computer, to >>> do things I can't do on Linux yet, and I don't have the time to learn. >>> >>> So in the Installation of Mandrake, I reformated the HD. So, I have >>> Mandrake >>> on here now, but I don't know how to get it off. >>> >> >> >> I think you have to get lilo off the boot sector: >> >> in linux this is done by: >> >> lilo -u /dev/hda >> (or whatever device it's on...) > > Ok, I don't know what I'm doing at all, remember? Where do I put the > lilo -u > command? > at a root command prompt..... . . . >> >>> I put the XP CD into the CD-ROM drive, which before booted >>> automatically, but as of now all I get is Linux. LINUX LINUX LINUX! >>> What happens when the computer is turned on? Do you get a nice GUI to log into the box with? Or a login prompt that is on a big black screen with white letters? >>> Does anyone know how I can get the XP installer running? I do believe >>> it has >>> an option to reformat during the installation of XP, which would get >>> rid of >>> Mandrake on my Harddrive. >>> >>> So, any help? >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> Micah >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spidler at superiorman.com Mon Sep 8 15:30:47 2003 From: spidler at superiorman.com (spidler@superiorman.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unistalling Mandrake In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61033.82.68.89.206.1063053047.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> > On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:10:37 +0100 (BST), > wrote: > >> Um, ok, did I mention I was an idiot? >> > > > >>> On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 20:52:14 +0100 (BST), >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I feel like an idiot comming to this LUG asking how to UNintall >>>> Linux, >>>> but I >>>> think I made a mistake. Skip ahead if you don't care why. I'm very >>>> much a newbie to anything Linix or Unix, and wanted to learn, and >>>> thought that maybe the best way to do it would be to just install it >>>> and jump right in, >>>> so I did. But, I realized that I need to use XP on this computer, to >>>> do things I can't do on Linux yet, and I don't have the time to >>>> learn. >>>> >>>> So in the Installation of Mandrake, I reformated the HD. So, I have >>>> Mandrake >>>> on here now, but I don't know how to get it off. >>>> >>> >>> >>> I think you have to get lilo off the boot sector: >>> >>> in linux this is done by: >>> >>> lilo -u /dev/hda >>> (or whatever device it's on...) >> >> Ok, I don't know what I'm doing at all, remember? Where do I put the >> lilo -u >> command? >> > > at a root command prompt..... > > . > . > . > yeah, I guessed that... but I really don't know how to get there. >>> >>>> I put the XP CD into the CD-ROM drive, which before booted >>>> automatically, but as of now all I get is Linux. LINUX LINUX LINUX! >>>> > > What happens when the computer is turned on? Do you get a nice GUI to > log into the box with? > Or a login prompt that is on a big black screen with white letters? > > the nice GUI login with the box. > > > >>>> Does anyone know how I can get the XP installer running? I do >>>> believe it has >>>> an option to reformat during the installation of XP, which would get >>>> rid of >>>> Mandrake on my Harddrive. >>>> >>>> So, any help? >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> Micah >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Mon Sep 8 15:30:43 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unistalling Mandrake In-Reply-To: <60906.82.68.89.206.1063050734.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> References: <60906.82.68.89.206.1063050734.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> Message-ID: <1063053043.1136.230.camel@lotsa> On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 14:52, spidler@superiorman.com wrote: > Does anyone know how I can get the XP installer running? I do believe it has > an option to reformat during the installation of XP, which would get rid of > Mandrake on my Harddrive. That XP CD should still boot for you. Do You have your bios set to boot to the CD? To check you need watch your screen while booting. You'll see something right after it beeps that says "hit Delete to enter setup" or something similar. Once you are in setup look for the boot sequence and set it to boot from the CD first. Save & exit. reboot. I hope this helps, -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Sep 8 15:35:23 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unistalling Mandrake In-Reply-To: <60906.82.68.89.206.1063050734.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> References: <60906.82.68.89.206.1063050734.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> Message-ID: <20030908203523.GB15474@iucha.net> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 08:52:14PM +0100, spidler@superiorman.com wrote: > I feel like an idiot comming to this LUG asking how to UNintall Linux, but I Feel free to crosspost ot TCXPUG, heh... > I put the XP CD into the CD-ROM drive, which before booted automatically, > but as of now all I get is Linux. LINUX LINUX LINUX! Look into the BIOS, you might have selected to boot directly from the HD. If you can live with Mandrake till Saturday, come at the installfest and somebody will help you install XP and Linux on the HD. Cheers, florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030908/901ed366/attachment.pgp From dru at druswanderings.net Mon Sep 8 15:41:02 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unistalling Mandrake In-Reply-To: <61033.82.68.89.206.1063053047.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> References: <61033.82.68.89.206.1063053047.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> Message-ID: <3F5CE95E.2000004@druswanderings.net> This actually sounds like a bios issue. The XP disk should be bootable so if you set your bios to try to boot from the cdrom first, you should be on your way. You can usually get to your bios by hitting the delete(or something similar) key just as your computer first boots. I believe MS has a page on their website detailing how install XP in place of linux. A little googling should point you in the right direction. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon Sep 8 15:42:40 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unistalling Mandrake In-Reply-To: <61033.82.68.89.206.1063053047.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> References: <61033.82.68.89.206.1063053047.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:30:47 +0100 (BST), wrote: >> On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:10:37 +0100 (BST), >> wrote: >> >>>>> So in the Installation of Mandrake, I reformated the HD. So, I have >>>>> Mandrake >>>>> on here now, but I don't know how to get it off. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I think you have to get lilo off the boot sector: >>>> >>>> in linux this is done by: >>>> >>>> lilo -u /dev/hda >>>> (or whatever device it's on...) >>> >>> Ok, I don't know what I'm doing at all, remember? Where do I put the >>> lilo -u >>> command? >>> >> >> at a root command prompt..... >> >> . >> . >> . >> > > yeah, I guessed that... but I really don't know how to get there. > >>>> >>>>> I put the XP CD into the CD-ROM drive, which before booted >>>>> automatically, but as of now all I get is Linux. LINUX LINUX LINUX! >>>>> >> >> What happens when the computer is turned on? Do you get a nice GUI to >> log into the box with? >> Or a login prompt that is on a big black scr een with white letters? >> >> > > the nice GUI login with the box. > >> If the BOIS trick doesn't work, then log in at the GUI, and start up a terminal. On the main menu (looks like a K on a gear in KDE) click Run Command... type in xterm to get a terminal (in case that does not work try: konsole this is another terminal program that I think is installed on default). Anyway, you should be at a command prompt as the user you logged in as. Switch to root by doing a: su - you'll be prompted for the root password and then you'll be at a root prompt. g'luck! >> >> >>>>> Does anyone know how I can get the XP installer running? I do >>>>> believe it has >>>>> an option to reformat during the installation of XP, which would get >>>>> rid of >>>>> Mandrake on my Harddrive. >>>>> >>>>> So, any help? >>>>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> >>>>> Micah >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Mon Sep 8 15:49:05 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SpamAssassin with email aliases References: <3F5CAEC7.CA627E48@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <3F5CEB41.48850C50@ppdonline.com> I think I might have a possible solution to my own problem using sendmail, procmail, and spamassassin. If anyone has comments on my strategy (below) I'd like to hear them. step one, modify sendmail's /etc/aliases as follows... -----------------begin sample /etc/aliases------------------------ ben_b: "| /path/to/procmail -m /path/to/myprocmail.rc filterben" filterben: ben_b@myserver.com ---------------end sample /etc/aliases--------------------------- step two, creat myprocmail.rc as follows... ---------------------begin myprocmail.rc------------------------- # The condition line ensures that only messages smaller than 250 kB # (250 * 1024 = 256000 bytes) are processed by SpamAssassin. Most spam # isn't bigger than a few k and working with big messages can bring # SpamAssassin to its knees. # # The lock file ensures that only 1 spamassassin invocation happens # at 1 time, to keep the load down. # :0fw: spamassassin.lock * < 256000 | spamassassin # Mails with a score of 5 or higher are dumped to /dev/null :0 * ^X-Spam-Level: \*\*\*\*\* /dev/null # Other emails are accepted and sent to the alias filteralias :0 ! $1 --------------------end myprocmail.rc---------------------------- So, anyone see any glaring holes in my strategy? Any suggestions? Thanks, Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spidler at superiorman.com Mon Sep 8 15:55:29 2003 From: spidler at superiorman.com (spidler@superiorman.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unistalling Mandrake In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61074.82.68.89.206.1063054529.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> Yessa. I was just missing the boot cd before Linux was loading. thanks for all your help. I'm currently over in England right now, and will be for a while. butwhen I get back, i'll take another swing at this, and come to an install fest... thanks again micah _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Sep 8 16:03:43 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unistalling Mandrake In-Reply-To: <60906.82.68.89.206.1063050734.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 spidler@superiorman.com wrote: > I put the XP CD into the CD-ROM drive, which before booted automatically, > but as of now all I get is Linux. LINUX LINUX LINUX! Everyone else has lengthy technical solutions. I ask one simple question: when you put in the XP CD and it asks you to press a key to boot from CD, do you press a key? :-) -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon Sep 8 16:03:02 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] yippe! 2 LINUX servers here at work!! Message-ID: Just recently added to the network at work - and I didn't even know about it... and I thought I was the only one running LINUX! sshd is running too! oh joy! now to find out what and why... ummmm... 4cpu (hey where the hyperthreads?).... drool.... 4:01pm up 3 days, 23:46, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.04, 0.00 102 processes: 101 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU0 states: 0.0% user, 0.2% system, 0.0% nice, 99.3% idle CPU1 states: 0.0% user, 0.1% system, 0.0% nice, 99.4% idle CPU2 states: 0.0% user, 0.2% system, 0.0% nice, 99.3% idle CPU3 states: 0.0% user, 2.1% system, 0.0% nice, 97.3% idle Mem: 3991136K av, 1452332K used, 2538804K free, 1088K shrd, 138640K buff Swap: 2096376K av, 0K used, 2096376K free 1132084K cached _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Sep 8 16:11:34 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unistalling Mandrake In-Reply-To: <60906.82.68.89.206.1063050734.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> References: <60906.82.68.89.206.1063050734.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> Message-ID: <20030908211134.GA30772@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 08:52:14PM +0100, spidler@superiorman.com wrote: > I feel like an idiot comming to this LUG asking how to UNintall Linux, but I > think I made a mistake. Skip ahead if you don't care why. I'm very much a > newbie to anything Linix or Unix, and wanted to learn, and thought that > maybe the best way to do it would be to just install it and jump right in, > so I did. But, I realized that I need to use XP on this computer, to do > things I can't do on Linux yet, and I don't have the time to learn. > You could always take your computer to the installfest. Or maybe you want to wait for an UNinstallfest. :-) Seriously though, that would be an ideal place to get your machine set up w/ dual-boot, if that's an OK alternative. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Mon Sep 8 16:12:28 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unistalling Mandrake Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36D5@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> yes Dan Lansing ITSC -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 4:04 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Unistalling Mandrake On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 spidler@superiorman.com wrote: > I put the XP CD into the CD-ROM drive, which before booted automatically, > but as of now all I get is Linux. LINUX LINUX LINUX! Everyone else has lengthy technical solutions. I ask one simple question: when you put in the XP CD and it asks you to press a key to boot from CD, do you press a key? :-) -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Mon Sep 8 16:15:06 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unistalling Mandrake In-Reply-To: <20030908203523.GB15474@iucha.net> References: <60906.82.68.89.206.1063050734.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> <20030908203523.GB15474@iucha.net> Message-ID: <3F5CF15A.40400@eworld3.net> Florin Iucha wrote: > If you can live with Mandrake till Saturday, come at the installfest > and somebody will help you install XP and Linux on the HD. I totally agree that coming to the installfest is probably the best thing to do. I recommend arriving early and bringing a pad of paper. It will take several hours to install both OSs and make sure things are working ok and you will want to take notes on how to get started with Linux. Don't be afraid or shy to post questions. The reason we know the answers is because we once had the same problem and may have asked someone else. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Mon Sep 8 16:05:26 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying worm In-Reply-To: <200309081300.35365@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200309081054.39804.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <200309081300.35365@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <200309081605.26830.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Monday 08 September 2003 01:00 pm, Bob Tanner wrote: > As a linux adovcate, I'd much rather see you spend your time and energy > advocating linux (and linux email clients) then beating your head against > the win32 virus wall. And what better way to do so than say, "Hey, I noticed that your computer is running a horribly insecure operating system that is spamming countless numbers of people with worm-ridden filth. Would you care to hear that there is a better way?" :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Sep 8 16:25:10 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SpamAssassin with email aliases In-Reply-To: <3F5CEB41.48850C50@ppdonline.com> References: <3F5CAEC7.CA627E48@ppdonline.com> <3F5CEB41.48850C50@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20030908212510.GH17391@skuld.wookimus.net> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 03:49:05PM -0500, Ben Bargabus wrote: > -----------------begin sample /etc/aliases------------------------ > > ben_b: "| /path/to/procmail -m /path/to/myprocmail.rc filterben" > filterben: ben_b@myserver.com Not needed. Plus, this will allow people to bypass ben_b as an address. All I need to do is send email to filterben@whatever... > # Mails with a score of 5 or higher are dumped to /dev/null > :0 > * ^X-Spam-Level: \*\*\*\*\* > /dev/null or, the less verbose: * ^X-Spam-Level: \*{5,} > # Other emails are accepted and sent to the alias filteralias > :0 > ! $1 I would simply remove the whole filteralias thing. Just forward directly to the address you wish in the procmail recipe. Far more secure. Plus, you need to protect yourself from looping, so use this before you foward your email: HERE_XLOOP=ben_b+procmail@thishost.domain.tld :0 fhw * $ ! ^X-Loop: $HERE_XLOOP |formail -I "X-Loop: $HERE_XLOOP" Then forward as usual. Remember, you could always use the formail as a delivery recipe (remove "fhw") and pipe the output to "| $SENDMAIL -oi me@thathost". -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just forward > directly to the address you wish in the procmail recipe. Far more > secure. Plus, you need to protect yourself from looping, so use this > before you foward your email: > > HERE_XLOOP=ben_b+procmail@thishost.domain.tld > :0 fhw > * $ ! ^X-Loop: $HERE_XLOOP > |formail -I "X-Loop: $HERE_XLOOP" > > Then forward as usual. Remember, you could always use the formail as a > delivery recipe (remove "fhw") and pipe the output to "| $SENDMAIL -oi > me@thathost". I'm not following the loop aspect (I'm brand new to procmail), could you explain what's happening here a bit? Thanks, Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Mon Sep 8 17:20:52 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Amnesty program Message-ID: <20030908222052.87015.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Anyone else seen this? http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/09/08/music.downloading/index.html Wonder how long before SCO decides "Hey, this seems like an interesting way to get people's information voluntarily". Is it just me, or is this a good way for people to paint themselves as targets? If I were a music pirate, wanting to come clean, wouldn't it be a better idea to follow their carefully laid out instructions, delete all my files, and not send the form in? Seems to me, it's just a good way to draw a target on yourself. Though I'm no legal expert, I'm just joe shmoe average computer user. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Mon Sep 8 17:16:16 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying worm In-Reply-To: <200309081605.26830.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <200309081300.35365@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <200309081605.26830.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <200309081716.16474@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Monday 08 September 2003 04:05 pm, Peter Clark wrote: > On Monday 08 September 2003 01:00 pm, Bob Tanner wrote: > > As a linux adovcate, I'd much rather see you spend your time and energy > > advocating linux (and linux email clients) then beating your head against > > the win32 virus wall. > > And what better way to do so than say, "Hey, I noticed that your computer > is running a horribly insecure operating system that is spamming countless > numbers of people with worm-ridden filth. Would you care to hear that there > is a better way?" IMHO, that is not a linux advocate, that's a Microsoft-basher. I try to convince people to try/switch to linux based on linux's strengths, not Microsoft's weaknesses. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Mon Sep 8 17:46:36 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying worm In-Reply-To: <200309081716.16474@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200309081605.26830.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <200309081716.16474@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <200309081746.36192.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Monday 08 September 2003 05:16 pm, Bob Tanner wrote: > > And what better way to do so than say, "Hey, I noticed that your > > computer is running a horribly insecure operating system that is spamming > > countless numbers of people with worm-ridden filth. Would you care to > > hear that there is a better way?" > > IMHO, that is not a linux advocate, that's a Microsoft-basher. > > I try to convince people to try/switch to linux based on linux's strengths, > not Microsoft's weaknesses. The above was, admittedly, the sugar-free version, and not what I would *actually* say. I had presumed that the audience here would not need the usual sugar-coating. And it's no disservice to Linux to point out that the present operating system is deliberately insecure by design, an easy vector for a myriad of worms and viruses, not to mention the pluses Linux offers, right? But this is preaching to the choir. :Peter _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 8 19:02:35 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Amnesty program In-Reply-To: <20030908222052.87015.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030908222052.87015.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F5D189B.7090308@visi.com> Ontrack Sam. Joel Dick wrote: >Anyone else seen this? > >http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/09/08/music.downloading/index.html > >Wonder how long before SCO decides "Hey, this seems like an interesting >way to get people's information voluntarily". > >Is it just me, or is this a good way for people to paint themselves as >targets? If I were a music pirate, wanting to come clean, wouldn't it be a >better idea to follow their carefully laid out instructions, delete all my >files, and not send the form in? > >Seems to me, it's just a good way to draw a target on yourself. Though I'm >no legal expert, I'm just joe shmoe average computer user. > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 8 19:06:52 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] yippe! 2 LINUX servers here at work!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F5D199C.5080407@visi.com> I know that before I left IBM Xcel had just bought a NAS machine that was linux (Redhat) but it had 75 140gig disks in it. :o) Sam. Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > Just recently added to the network at work - and I didn't even know > about it... > > and I thought I was the only one running LINUX! sshd is running too! > oh joy! > > now to find out what and why... > > ummmm... 4cpu (hey where the hyperthreads?).... drool.... > > 4:01pm up 3 days, 23:46, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.04, 0.00 > 102 processes: 101 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped > CPU0 states: 0.0% user, 0.2% system, 0.0% nice, 99.3% idle > CPU1 states: 0.0% user, 0.1% system, 0.0% nice, 99.4% idle > CPU2 states: 0.0% user, 0.2% system, 0.0% nice, 99.3% idle > CPU3 states: 0.0% user, 2.1% system, 0.0% nice, 97.3% idle > Mem: 3991136K av, 1452332K used, 2538804K free, 1088K shrd, > 138640K buff > Swap: 2096376K av, 0K used, 2096376K free > 1132084K cached > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Sep 8 19:34:57 2003 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ideas for future meetings In-Reply-To: <3F5A19F9.90600@eworld3.net>; from rick@eworld3.net on Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 12:31:37PM -0500 References: <3F5A19F9.90600@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030908193457.P25417@real-time.com> On 09/06 12:31 , Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > Here are the ideas that came up: > > LDAP > firewalls > intro to Linux newbie intro to X and its configuration. Buy me a beer and I might even be willing to give it myself. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Sep 8 22:38:22 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SpamAssassin with email aliases In-Reply-To: <3F5CFD48.EFDB6E4C@ppdonline.com> References: <3F5CAEC7.CA627E48@ppdonline.com> <3F5CEB41.48850C50@ppdonline.com> <20030908212510.GH17391@skuld.wookimus.net> <3F5CFD48.EFDB6E4C@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20030909033821.GA1675@skuld.wookimus.net> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 05:06:00PM -0500, Ben Bargabus wrote: > I'm not following the loop aspect (I'm brand new to procmail), could > you explain what's happening here a bit? Let's say you mistakenly forward email from your forwarding destination. You want to have something in the header of the email so that when procmail sees it again, it can recognize that it's already been forwarded. This may not happen often, but when it does, you'll get a nasty mail loop going. Let's say there are three accounts on three servers: THISHOST, THATHOST, and OTHERHOST. You have the ability to forward from any of these accounts, and you can quickly loose track of where the email has been. 1. Receive email at THISHOST 1.2. Process in procmail. 1.3. Forward processed email to THATHOST 2. Receive email at OTHERHOST. 2.1. Cleverly process email and forward to THISHOST (Step 1) 2.2. Cleverly process email and forward to THATHOST (Step 3) 3. Receive email at THATHOST ...(etc)... However clever you may think you are, there is a pretty good chance that you'll forget about your forwarding circus in six months. You make small clever change to one of the procmail scripts and WHAM! You get hit by a forwarding loop! So, in the interest of Good Procmail Recipes, as opposed to Clever and Scary Procmail Recipes, it's wise to add the X-Loop header or some sort of identification before forwarding email. One nice thing about formail is that it preserves "X-Loop:" headers in autoreplies, and this illustrates how important the "X-Loop:" header has become in UNIX email management. A thought just occurred to me. There may be cases where you do not want to clobber existing X-Loop headers. For example, you're autoreplying to an email which may be an autoreply in and of itself. When the recipient sees his/her own X-Loop, it stops processing. For situations like this, use "formail -A" instead of "-I". :0 fhw * ! ^X-Loop: me@here | formail -A "X-Loop: me@here" # Only forward if x-loop added :0 a ! me@there :0 e failed-forward -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030908/ab698b5c/attachment.pgp From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Mon Sep 8 23:14:58 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest equip Message-ID: <1063080898.987771e0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> I'll be bringing one of my Bay Networks Centillion 5000 systems down- that'll provide 72 10/100 network connections, as well as some 10 mbit connections. Also, I have more availible, and if anybody's interested, they can check out the one I bring. (I have 8 more availible) I'll also be bringing two systems- the one I got working last time (Now I just need help getting my bootloader back...had to reinstall XP at one point...) as well as an old Dual P-II PC Server 330 I have. I will also bring some old hardware I have for sale, and plenty of power strips, as well as cable, ends, a crimper and tester. I'd like to get some games working under Linux, so I'll bring those with (Half-Life/Counterstrike, and a few others) Anything else we need? Ask away...I might have it, or I might be able to pick it up from various stops I can make. Oh yeah...I'll also bring like 4+ 12 packs of mtn. dew to share. :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Sep 8 23:19:09 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SpamAssassin with email aliases References: <3F5CAEC7.CA627E48@ppdonline.com> <3F5CEB41.48850C50@ppdonline.com> <20030908212510.GH17391@skuld.wookimus.net> <3F5CFD48.EFDB6E4C@ppdonline.com> <20030909033821.GA1675@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <004001c37689$84682240$0201a8c0@brinstar> Chad Walstrom writes: > So, in the interest of Good Procmail Recipes, as opposed to Clever > and Scary Procmail Recipes, it's wise to add the X-Loop header or > some sort of identification before forwarding email. The more standard Delivered-To header would probably be a better choice. Several local delivery agents add this and check for it automatically. Delivered-To is also useful for things besides loop detection. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Mon Sep 8 23:43:49 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Annoying worm/virus, filter using IMAP Message-ID: <20030909044349.GA2147@duron> I'm getting hammered by tons of sobig virus on a certain email account. Some dorm in tiawan is sending me 100's of them a day. Heres some perl I brewed up to kill the bloat without downloading it. If you were on dialup and getting hit, this might be helpful. (use at your own risk...) #!/usr/bin/perl # killsobig - Filter out sobig virus emails(and maybe a few other # things too :) using IMAP. use Net::IMAP::Simple; $imap_server = 'mail.server.net'; $imap_username = 'username'; $imap_password = 'password'; # open a connection to the IMAP server $server = new Net::IMAP::Simple( $imap_server ); # login $server->login( $imap_username, $imap_password ); # select the desired folder $number_of_messages = $server->select( 'INBOX' ); print "number of msgs: $number_of_messages\n"; foreach $msg ( 1..$number_of_messages ) { $lines = $server->top($msg); foreach $i (@$lines) { if ($i =~ /^Subject:/i) { ($len) = $server->list($msg); # get email length chomp($i); # kill eol CR LF chop($i); if ( (($len > 95000) && ($len < 110000)) && (($i =~ /.*(My|Your) application/i) || ($i =~ /.*That Movie/i) || ($i =~ /.*Wicked Screensaver/i) || ($i =~ /.*(My|Your) Details/i) || ($i =~ /.*Re: Details/i) || ($i =~ /.*Approved/i) || ($i =~ /.*Thank you!/i))) { print "$msg,len:$len SOBIG VIRUS [$i]\n"; # $server->delete($msg); # kill it! } else { if (($len > 95000) && ($len < 110000)) { print "$msg,len:$len ?SOBIG? [$i]\n"; } else { print "$msg,len:$len OK [$i]\n"; } } } } } # close the connection $server->quit(); _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Sep 9 07:13:16 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying worm In-Reply-To: <200309081746.36192.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <200309081605.26830.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <200309081716.16474@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <200309081746.36192.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <3F5DC3DC.30507@real-time.com> Peter Clark wrote: > On Monday 08 September 2003 05:16 pm, Bob Tanner wrote: > >>> And what better way to do so than say, "Hey, I noticed that your >>>computer is running a horribly insecure operating system that is spamming >>>countless numbers of people with worm-ridden filth. Would you care to >>>hear that there is a better way?" >> >>IMHO, that is not a linux advocate, that's a Microsoft-basher. >> >>I try to convince people to try/switch to linux based on linux's strengths, >>not Microsoft's weaknesses. > > The above was, admittedly, the sugar-free version, and not what I would > *actually* say. I had presumed that the audience here would not need the > usual sugar-coating. And it's no disservice to Linux to point out that the > present operating system is deliberately insecure by design, an easy vector > for a myriad of worms and viruses, not to mention the pluses Linux offers, > right? Historically speaking (and most definitely NOT trying to start some sort of undying religion thread), some of the most effective Christian evangelism movements (revivals) around the world were based on the preaching of the threat of damnation, prior to (and alongside of) the good news of salvation. The reason is, it's hard to get someone to see the value of "medicine" if they don't even know they are "sick". Likewise with Windows-users, if they don't realize that they have a problem, why should they go looking for a better solution? You'd think that the endless rash of virii, worms, and rebooting would be enough evidence in itself to convince a person, but often they think that this is "normal", something to be expected from any OS, and therefore they should just put up with it. They need to be taught that the Microsoft way is neither the right way nor the only way, before they understand that there are superior alternatives. Well, that's enough preaching for me. I'm dealing with this whole issue (replacing NT with Linux, and how to effectively convince people that this is a superior solution) at work right now, so I've been thinking a lot about it. -- Dave Sherman - MCSE, MCSA, CCNA Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 9 07:25:00 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest equip In-Reply-To: <1063080898.987771e0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1063080898.987771e0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <3F5DC69C.3000404@visi.com> Hoping I can make it with my old 486 laptop :-) I'm doing a contract (windows SA stuff) for a guy today, the other guy installed Enterprise on a single processor box. =-O with a domain for 4 workstations, they must be rich! There are some old PC's and displays laying around. I'm going to attempt to "salvage" ;-) If I get them we can install Linux and Open Office. I'm sure some non-profit organization could use them. I would need to get the guy some sort of receipt so he could say he gave them to a non-profit. I have no idea whats in them so they could be 486 class machines. If all else fails, the cases look OK. Sam. K B wrote: >I'll be bringing one of my Bay Networks Centillion 5000 systems down- that'll provide 72 10/100 network connections, as well as some 10 mbit connections. Also, I have more availible, and if anybody's interested, they can check out the one I bring. (I have 8 more availible) > >I'll also be bringing two systems- the one I got working last time (Now I just need help getting my bootloader back...had to reinstall XP at one point...) as well as an old Dual P-II PC Server 330 I have. I will also bring some old hardware I have for sale, and plenty of power strips, as well as cable, ends, a crimper and tester. > >I'd like to get some games working under Linux, so I'll bring those with (Half-Life/Counterstrike, and a few others) > >Anything else we need? Ask away...I might have it, or I might be able to pick it up from various stops I can make. > >Oh yeah...I'll also bring like 4+ 12 packs of mtn. dew to share. :) > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Sep 9 07:52:47 2003 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] retrieving a wep key In-Reply-To: <26131.12.47.38.130.1062629572.squirrel@grok.lorenburlingame.com> References: <3F565ED6.8090405@lorenburlingame.com> <20030903165420.2bdc2063.list@slushpupie.com> <26131.12.47.38.130.1062629572.squirrel@grok.lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: "Loren H. Burlingame" writes: > Jay Kline said: > > Have you tried telling them you are installing for windows xp pro? > > I would have to bring it in to the laptop support center and *they* would > install the key Last-ditch fallback position: install a keyboard sniffer on your laptop XP partition, and have them install the WEP key in XP for you. Then extract it from the keyboard sniffer. -- David Dyer-Bennet, , RKBA: Photos: Snapshots: Dragaera mailing lists: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Sep 9 08:14:29 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest equip In-Reply-To: <3F5DC69C.3000404@visi.com> References: <1063080898.987771e0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> <3F5DC69C.3000404@visi.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 07:25:00 -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > If I get them we can install Linux and Open Office. I'm sure some > non-profit organization could use them. I would need to get the guy some > sort of receipt so he could say he gave them to a non-profit. > > I have no idea whats in them so they could be 486 class machines. If > all else fails, the cases look OK. > > Sam. Well, I'll chime in here. This spring I contacted www.worldcomputerexchange.org and asked if they needed any help with their organization. They say yes - please start a Minneapolis office. Uff-dah... So, I'm the World Computer Exchange (WCE) Minneapolis coordinator. So far I've been passively collecting donations - Pentium or better, Newer Macs, printers, fax, network equiptment, Montiors that can run 110 or 220. I have a few folks at work who help out from time to time - I hope to grow the voluneteer list a bit more.... Anyways, I could issue a receipt if the machine are up to snuff (pentium or better). If you or someone you know would like to donate an old computer please have them contact: jmeier@worldcomputerexchange.org or goto www.worldcomputerexchane.org for other office locations. We also need space! At this point anything other than my porch! Ideal space would have electricity, netowrk (!), and would be fork lift accessible so that computers ould be palletized and picked up by a shipping company. Some of the computers I get are not wiped, some are - the ones that are - usually ship blank, buuuttttt - there's nothing stopping me from putting LINUX on them... I've put Lycoris on a few - but would like to develop a lean-n-mean install of Redhat/mandrake/suse - whatever... I think you can run though a install and then save off your choices for future installs yes? I currently have about 15 old compaqs that were wiped and are now sitting blank... I was going to stop by install fest this weekend and get a feel for the event - but I can only stay a short while as it seems to be wedding season and my saturday is packed! Dang it! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Sep 9 08:53:09 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] retrieving a wep key In-Reply-To: References: <3F565ED6.8090405@lorenburlingame.com> <20030903165420.2bdc2063.list@slushpupie.com> <26131.12.47.38.130.1062629572.squirrel@grok.lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <20030909135309.GE15474@iucha.net> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 07:52:47AM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > "Loren H. Burlingame" writes: > > > Have you tried telling them you are installing for windows xp pro? > > > > I would have to bring it in to the laptop support center and *they* would > > install the key > > Last-ditch fallback position: install a keyboard sniffer on your > laptop XP partition, and have them install the WEP key in XP for you. > Then extract it from the keyboard sniffer. Then get a lawyer. That is really your last-ditch position... florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They know the shipping business inside and out. I'll get a feel for the space and shipping thing. Isn't if amazing how things fall in to place. I know Redhat has the ability to be "imaged" I've not used it but I'm sure someone in the community has :-) This could be used as a learning tool for the TCLUG to teach people how to install and build an image of Linux. With that said I'm with Boy Scouts of America (BSA). The BSA has a Technology Merit badge the boys can earn. Boy Scouts installing Linux and helping worldcomputerexchange.org. That sounds like an on-going service project that would be cool for the BSA. Many of the the adult volenteers with BSA are technology workers so this could be very interesting. Sam. Quoting Johnny Fulcrum : > On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 07:25:00 -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > If I get them we can install Linux and Open Office. I'm sure some > > non-profit organization could use them. I would need to get the guy some > > sort of receipt so he could say he gave them to a non-profit. > > > > I have no idea whats in them so they could be 486 class machines. If > > all else fails, the cases look OK. > > > > Sam. > > Well, I'll chime in here. This spring I contacted > www.worldcomputerexchange.org and asked if they needed any help with their > organization. They say yes - please start a Minneapolis office. > Uff-dah... So, I'm the World Computer Exchange (WCE) Minneapolis > coordinator. So far I've been passively collecting donations - Pentium or > better, Newer Macs, printers, fax, network equiptment, Montiors that can > run 110 or 220. I have a few folks at work who help out from time to time > - I hope to grow the voluneteer list a bit more.... > > Anyways, I could issue a receipt if the machine are up to snuff (pentium > or better). > > > > If you or someone you know would like to donate an old computer please > have them contact: > > jmeier@worldcomputerexchange.org > or goto www.worldcomputerexchane.org for other office locations. > > We also need space! At this point anything other than my porch! Ideal > space would have electricity, netowrk (!), and would be fork lift > accessible so that computers ould be palletized and picked up by a > shipping company. > > > > Some of the computers I get are not wiped, some are - the ones that are - > usually ship blank, buuuttttt - there's nothing stopping me from putting > LINUX on them... I've put Lycoris on a few - but would like to develop a > lean-n-mean install of Redhat/mandrake/suse - whatever... I think you can > run though a install and then save off your choices for future installs > yes? I currently have about 15 old compaqs that were wiped and are now > sitting blank... I was going to stop by install fest this weekend and get > a feel for the event - but I can only stay a short while as it seems to be > wedding season and my saturday is packed! Dang it! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Tue Sep 9 10:44:59 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest equip In-Reply-To: References: <1063080898.987771e0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> <3F5DC69C.3000404@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F5DF57B.2050600@eworld3.net> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > jmeier@worldcomputerexchange.org > or goto www.worldcomputerexchane.org for other office locations. one 'g' short: http://www.worldcomputerexchange.org/ > > Some of the computers I get are not wiped, some are - the ones that are > - usually ship blank, buuuttttt - there's nothing stopping me from > putting LINUX on them... I've put Lycoris on a few - but would like to Hmmm, they don't mention Linux on their web site, maybe you can get them to change that. :-) The WCE may be a way to expose a lot of people to Linux. In fact I wonder if they run the risk of getting in trouble with M$ if they don't have licenses for every box Windoze installed. > develop a lean-n-mean install of Redhat/mandrake/suse - whatever... I > think you can run though a install and then save off your choices for That option does come up but I have never used it. I guess I don't know what they would do with disk partitioning if the disks are not the same size. It would be nice if you could just tell the installer to use a scheme that it "thought" was good and just tell you if the disk was too small. > future installs yes? I currently have about 15 old compaqs that were > wiped and are now sitting blank... I was going to stop by install fest > this weekend and get a feel for the event - but I can only stay a short > while as it seems to be wedding season and my saturday is packed! Dang it! You'll just have to come to the next one! -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nxxcdo at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 00:41:47 2003 From: nxxcdo at yahoo.com (Ryan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Windows 98 dual boot Message-ID: <20030909054147.13464.qmail@web13204.mail.yahoo.com> Last year, you posted on a forum, showing how to reinstall windows 98 without having to reinstall LILO. You probably don't even remember that post, as you wrote it last year, but I have been looking for an answer to that problem for 3 days now, and thanks to you, I have found it. Thank you a million times. 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I've put Lycoris on a few - but would like to > Hmmm, they don't mention Linux on their web site, maybe you can get them > to change that. :-) They used to have a link up front for partnership with mandrake... hummm wonder what happened... there's a link under the "To Partner" tab called "ideas for linux" it goes to: http://digitalequalizer.org/linux Linux and GNU KDE etc stuff comes up in the following link: http://www.worldcomputerexchange.org/originals/support_for_local_languages_in_computer_software.htm wonder what happened with the Mandrake link... there was a nice little page on why linux was a good choice for these older machines - and about opensource in general... I'll ask where that all went. > The WCE may be a way to expose a lot of people to Linux. In fact I > wonder if they run the risk of getting in trouble with M$ if they don't > have licenses for every box Windoze installed. > >> develop a lean-n-mean install of Redhat/mandrake/suse - whatever... I >> think you can run though a install and then save off your choices for > That option does come up but I have never used it. I guess I don't know > what they would do with disk partitioning if the disks are not the same > size. It would be nice if you could just tell the installer to use a > scheme that it "thought" was good and just tell you if the disk was too > small. > >> future installs yes? I currently have about 15 old compaqs that were >> wiped and are now sitting blank... I was going to stop by install fest >> this weekend and get a feel for the event - but I can only stay a short >> while as it seems to be wedding season and my saturday is packed! Dang >> it! > > You'll just have to come to the next one! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Sep 9 13:11:58 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest equip In-Reply-To: ; from johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com on Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 08:14:29AM -0500 References: <1063080898.987771e0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> <3F5DC69C.3000404@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030909131158.B17899@thinkunix.net> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > Well, I'll chime in here. This spring I contacted > www.worldcomputerexchange.org and asked if they needed any help with their > organization. They say yes - please start a Minneapolis office. > Uff-dah... So, I'm the World Computer Exchange (WCE) Minneapolis > coordinator. So far I've been passively collecting donations - Pentium or > better, Newer Macs, printers, fax, network equiptment, Montiors that can > run 110 or 220. I have a few folks at work who help out from time to time > - I hope to grow the voluneteer list a bit more.... > > We also need space! At this point anything other than my porch! Ideal > space would have electricity, netowrk (!), and would be fork lift > accessible so that computers ould be palletized and picked up by a > shipping company. I just looked at the worldcomputerexchange website. It doesn't look like they repurpose computers here in the United States. With so many jobs going overseas these days, wouldn't it make sense to try to help out the underprivileged youth here in this country first, before shipping equipment outside the US? I have nothing against helping folks elsewhere in the world, but I think we should start here at home first. Does anyone know of any local organizations taking donations to help American youth? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Sep 9 13:14:27 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] squid problem In-Reply-To: <002801c376e1$dde7c8e0$47ae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: I think you either want to comment out: acl Safe_ports port 443 563 # https, snews Or change it to: acl Safe_ports port 443 acl Safe_ports port 563 If the format of that line is indeed incorrect, you should be getting a denied message because the http_access deny !Safe_ports percedes http_access deny CONNECT !SSL_ports Thus, you could also fix it by changing the order of your http_access deny rules, but the "acl Safe_ports port 443 563 # https, snew" would still be wrong. If I'm wrong...well, it's been awile since I've played with Squid and I didn't look at the documentation. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 13:37:29 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding Message-ID: <20030909183729.6032.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all, Seeing as the installfest is fast approaching, I'm trying to decide what distro I want to install, I'm sure this is always a popular question, but I'm hoping for some insight. I tried installing mandrake 9.1 and found that it wiped out my windoze partition (well didn't wipe it out, but the info went bye bye? the MBR mighta gotten messed up), luckily it was a fresh install of windoze with no information I'd be missing. So I'm reformatting the drive, reinstalling windoze and all. Needless to say, unless I burned a bad copy of mandrake, I'm not overly enthused to try that route again (I've installed older versions of mandrake in the past and ever subsequent install has gotten to be more of a hassel, I have no idea why). So, my choices are, try to install Mandrake again, or Go with either Suse or RedHat (their current versions). I'm looking for whatever one works good with a dual boot scenario, and has the best features for a guy that's still learning the ropes, but isn't entirely new to the world of linux. It's not that I'm really unhappy with mandrake either, perhaps having someone give me a hand with the install would be helpful even. Anyways, anyone have any suggestions for me? Or perhaps I can get most of this answered right at the installfest? Thanks, Joel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Tue Sep 9 13:44:02 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABD@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I would recommend slackware...it is the distro I started with and taught me the most....dual booting will not be a problem with the default LILO setup and as a distro to help you learn the ropes I can think of none better....it gives you the freedom to learn the configuration and what not and doesn't dumb anything down for you while still having all the manpages and KDE and Gnome for easy user friendly GUI....and most importantly all other distros will give you genital warts....no lie...i read it on Slashdot... Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Joel Dick [mailto:joel_cd@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:37 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding Hey all, Seeing as the installfest is fast approaching, I'm trying to decide what distro I want to install, I'm sure this is always a popular question, but I'm hoping for some insight. I tried installing mandrake 9.1 and found that it wiped out my windoze partition (well didn't wipe it out, but the info went bye bye? the MBR mighta gotten messed up), luckily it was a fresh install of windoze with no information I'd be missing. So I'm reformatting the drive, reinstalling windoze and all. Needless to say, unless I burned a bad copy of mandrake, I'm not overly enthused to try that route again (I've installed older versions of mandrake in the past and ever subsequent install has gotten to be more of a hassel, I have no idea why). So, my choices are, try to install Mandrake again, or Go with either Suse or RedHat (their current versions). I'm looking for whatever one works good with a dual boot scenario, and has the best features for a guy that's still learning the ropes, but isn't entirely new to the world of linux. It's not that I'm really unhappy with mandrake either, perhaps having someone give me a hand with the install would be helpful even. Anyways, anyone have any suggestions for me? Or perhaps I can get most of this answered right at the installfest? Thanks, Joel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 9 13:45:08 2003 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest equip In-Reply-To: <20030909131158.B17899@thinkunix.net> References: <1063080898.987771e0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> <3F5DC69C.3000404@visi.com> <20030909131158.B17899@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <1063133108.3f5e1fb453de0@my.visi.com> The Boys and Girls Clubs and maybe Big Brothers and Sisters. Quoting Scot Jenkins : > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > Well, I'll chime in here. This spring I contacted > > www.worldcomputerexchange.org and asked if they needed any help with their > > organization. They say yes - please start a Minneapolis office. > > Uff-dah... So, I'm the World Computer Exchange (WCE) Minneapolis > > coordinator. So far I've been passively collecting donations - Pentium or > > better, Newer Macs, printers, fax, network equiptment, Montiors that can > > run 110 or 220. I have a few folks at work who help out from time to time > > - I hope to grow the voluneteer list a bit more.... > > > > We also need space! At this point anything other than my porch! Ideal > > space would have electricity, netowrk (!), and would be fork lift > > accessible so that computers ould be palletized and picked up by a > > shipping company. > > > > I just looked at the worldcomputerexchange website. It doesn't look > like they repurpose computers here in the United States. With so many > jobs going overseas these days, wouldn't it make sense to try to help > out the underprivileged youth here in this country first, before > shipping equipment outside the US? I have nothing against helping folks > elsewhere in the world, but I think we should start here at home first. > > > > Does anyone know of any local organizations taking donations to help > American youth? > > -- > scot > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From devel_support at crlc.net Tue Sep 9 13:55:13 2003 From: devel_support at crlc.net (Carl Lindgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unistalling Mandrake References: <60906.82.68.89.206.1063050734.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> Message-ID: <004601c37703$e6cfa140$0325a8c0@crlc.net> A few pointers on moving between *nx and MS-Windows 1) Aways fdisk the Master Boot Record from a win9x boot disk: fdisk /mbr 2) When installing MS-Windows on a disk that has had *nx on it, always wipe the disk and format the disk using fat32 - I have found that if w2k and above can't see the partitions or recognize the File System it will complain badly. again from a win9x boot disk: use fdisk to delete all of the partitions on the disk and then reboot fdisk again (remember to use large disk mode) and create 1 partition, make it active, and then reboot then format the disk format C: * This may seem redundant but its been proven to the most successful very time. If your system still doesn't boot from the CD then you will need to boot it from an XP bootdisk. You can also start the install from the win9x bootdisk. CD_DRIVE_LETTER: i.e. >> D: cd i386 winnt.exe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Unistalling Mandrake > I feel like an idiot comming to this LUG asking how to UNintall Linux, but I > think I made a mistake. Skip ahead if you don't care why. I'm very much a > newbie to anything Linix or Unix, and wanted to learn, and thought that > maybe the best way to do it would be to just install it and jump right in, > so I did. But, I realized that I need to use XP on this computer, to do > things I can't do on Linux yet, and I don't have the time to learn. > > So in the Installation of Mandrake, I reformated the HD. So, I have Mandrake > on here now, but I don't know how to get it off. > > I put the XP CD into the CD-ROM drive, which before booted automatically, > but as of now all I get is Linux. LINUX LINUX LINUX! > > Does anyone know how I can get the XP installer running? I do believe it has > an option to reformat during the installation of XP, which would get rid of > Mandrake on my Harddrive. > > So, any help? > > thanks > > Micah > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Sep 9 14:14:29 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest equip In-Reply-To: <20030909131158.B17899@thinkunix.net> References: <1063080898.987771e0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> <3F5DC69C.3000404@visi.com> <20030909131158.B17899@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:11:58 -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> Well, I'll chime in here. This spring I contacted >> www.worldcomputerexchange.org and asked if they needed any help with >> their >> organization. They say yes - please start a Minneapolis office. >> Uff-dah... So, I'm the World Computer Exchange (WCE) Minneapolis >> coordinator. So far I've been passively collecting donations - Pentium >> or >> better, Newer Macs, printers, fax, network equiptment, Montiors that can >> run 110 or 220. I have a few folks at work who help out from time to >> time >> - I hope to grow the voluneteer list a bit more.... >> >> We also need space! At this point anything other than my porch! Ideal >> space would have electricity, netowrk (!), and would be fork lift >> accessible so that computers ould be palletized and picked up by a >> shipping company. > > > > I just looked at the worldcomputerexchange website. It doesn't look > like they repurpose computers here in the United States. With so many > jobs going overseas these days, wouldn't it make sense to try to help > out the underprivileged youth here in this country first, before > shipping equipment outside the US? I have nothing against helping folks > elsewhere in the world, but I think we should start here at home first. > > > > Does anyone know of any local organizations taking donations to help > American youth? try http://www.mncfs.org I've spoken with folks there - and direct people who'd like to see their donation go local instead of overseas to them... so keep them dumb so they can't get our jobs.... sorry about that :) I know that's not what you meant. The way I see it, there's pleanty of computers for all - let's keep them out of the landfills (and not just the landfills in the US), and Companies that outsource overseas are driven by $$ and that's it - if there's a cheaper way to do something, they do it. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Tue Sep 9 14:30:07 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying worm References: <200309081025.52692.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <02d701c37708$cba0e9b0$d037630a@dh.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Clark" To: Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying worm > I've been getting a "security announcement" from "Microsoft" saying that I > should install a patch yada yada yada. Fortunately, my email host strips out > the attachment, but it's starting to get annoying. Looking at the headers, it > looks as though it's coming from c-67-167-47-217.client.comcast.net > [67.167.47.217], so I'm guessing that someone's got a wormed computer on a > cable modem. Suggestions? > :Peter > Put the subnet in your firewall for awhile ;) Tom Veldhouse _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Sep 9 14:31:03 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABD@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <3F5E2A77.3010600@structural-wood.com> Unfortunately...It...has...the...side...affect...of...inserting...wait...states...into...your...cranial...processor. Ha...Ha... K...e...n...t Lansing, Dan wrote: > I would recommend slackware...it is the distro I started with and taught me the most....dual booting will not be a problem with the default LILO setup and as a distro to help you learn the ropes I can think of none better....it gives you the freedom to learn the configuration and what not and doesn't dumb anything down for you while still having all the manpages and KDE and Gnome for easy user friendly GUI....and most importantly all other distros will give you genital warts....no lie...i read it on Slashdot... > > Dan Lansing > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Dick [mailto:joel_cd@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:37 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding > > Hey all, > > Seeing as the installfest is fast approaching, I'm trying to decide what > distro I want to install, I'm sure this is always a popular question, but > I'm hoping for some insight. I tried installing mandrake 9.1 and found > that it wiped out my windoze partition (well didn't wipe it out, but the > info went bye bye? the MBR mighta gotten messed up), luckily it was a > fresh install of windoze with no information I'd be missing. So I'm > reformatting the drive, reinstalling windoze and all. Needless to say, > unless I burned a bad copy of mandrake, I'm not overly enthused to try > that route again (I've installed older versions of mandrake in the past > and ever subsequent install has gotten to be more of a hassel, I have no > idea why). So, my choices are, try to install Mandrake again, or Go with > either Suse or RedHat (their current versions). I'm looking for whatever > one works good with a dual boot scenario, and has the best features for a > guy that's still learning the ropes, but isn't entirely new to the world > of linux. It's not that I'm really unhappy with mandrake either, perhaps > having someone give me a hand with the install would be helpful even. > > Anyways, anyone have any suggestions for me? Or perhaps I can get most of > this answered right at the installfest? > > Thanks, > Joel > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Tue Sep 9 14:39:18 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABE@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Just an annoying side affect from the required windows use here at work.... :).....outlook auto-inserts lag...... Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:31 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding Unfortunately...It...has...the...side...affect...of...inserting...wait...states...into...your...cranial...processor. Ha...Ha... K...e...n...t Lansing, Dan wrote: > I would recommend slackware...it is the distro I started with and taught me the most....dual booting will not be a problem with the default LILO setup and as a distro to help you learn the ropes I can think of none better....it gives you the freedom to learn the configuration and what not and doesn't dumb anything down for you while still having all the manpages and KDE and Gnome for easy user friendly GUI....and most importantly all other distros will give you genital warts....no lie...i read it on Slashdot... > > Dan Lansing > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Dick [mailto:joel_cd@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:37 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding > > Hey all, > > Seeing as the installfest is fast approaching, I'm trying to decide what > distro I want to install, I'm sure this is always a popular question, but > I'm hoping for some insight. I tried installing mandrake 9.1 and found > that it wiped out my windoze partition (well didn't wipe it out, but the > info went bye bye? the MBR mighta gotten messed up), luckily it was a > fresh install of windoze with no information I'd be missing. So I'm > reformatting the drive, reinstalling windoze and all. Needless to say, > unless I burned a bad copy of mandrake, I'm not overly enthused to try > that route again (I've installed older versions of mandrake in the past > and ever subsequent install has gotten to be more of a hassel, I have no > idea why). So, my choices are, try to install Mandrake again, or Go with > either Suse or RedHat (their current versions). I'm looking for whatever > one works good with a dual boot scenario, and has the best features for a > guy that's still learning the ropes, but isn't entirely new to the world > of linux. It's not that I'm really unhappy with mandrake either, perhaps > having someone give me a hand with the install would be helpful even. > > Anyways, anyone have any suggestions for me? Or perhaps I can get most of > this answered right at the installfest? > > Thanks, > Joel > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 14:56:03 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABE@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030909195603.13474.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> I've heard about slackware, hadn't really thought of installing that one, figured it would be good to have someone walk me through it, but considering that's why there's installfests, why not? Now to find someone there that'll be willing to help me out. Thanks for the info, Joel --- "Lansing, Dan" wrote: > Just an annoying side affect from the required windows use here at > work.... :).....outlook auto-inserts lag...... > > Dan Lansing > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:31 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding > > Unfortunately...It...has...the...side...affect...of...inserting...wait...states...into...your...cranial...processor. > > Ha...Ha... > K...e...n...t > > Lansing, Dan wrote: > > I would recommend slackware...it is the distro I started with and > taught me the most....dual booting will not be a problem with the > default LILO setup and as a distro to help you learn the ropes I can > think of none better....it gives you the freedom to learn the > configuration and what not and doesn't dumb anything down for you while > still having all the manpages and KDE and Gnome for easy user friendly > GUI....and most importantly all other distros will give you genital > warts....no lie...i read it on Slashdot... > > > > Dan Lansing > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joel Dick [mailto:joel_cd@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:37 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding > > > > Hey all, > > > > Seeing as the installfest is fast approaching, I'm trying to decide > what > > distro I want to install, I'm sure this is always a popular question, > but > > I'm hoping for some insight. I tried installing mandrake 9.1 and found > > that it wiped out my windoze partition (well didn't wipe it out, but > the > > info went bye bye? the MBR mighta gotten messed up), luckily it was a > > fresh install of windoze with no information I'd be missing. So I'm > > reformatting the drive, reinstalling windoze and all. Needless to say, > > unless I burned a bad copy of mandrake, I'm not overly enthused to try > > that route again (I've installed older versions of mandrake in the > past > > and ever subsequent install has gotten to be more of a hassel, I have > no > > idea why). So, my choices are, try to install Mandrake again, or Go > with > > either Suse or RedHat (their current versions). I'm looking for > whatever > > one works good with a dual boot scenario, and has the best features > for a > > guy that's still learning the ropes, but isn't entirely new to the > world > > of linux. It's not that I'm really unhappy with mandrake either, > perhaps > > having someone give me a hand with the install would be helpful even. > > > > Anyways, anyone have any suggestions for me? Or perhaps I can get most > of > > this answered right at the installfest? > > > > Thanks, > > Joel > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Tue Sep 9 15:23:25 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: <1062185665.9575.37.camel@lotsa> References: <1062185665.9575.37.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <1063139005.1136.316.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 14:34, Tom Penney wrote: > On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 11:11, Jima wrote: > > On 29 Aug 2003, Tom Penney wrote: > > > You mean I might actually be able to use my home wireless network? I > > > bought an SMC access point/router and SMC 802.11b card. The box said > > > 1500ft range. I'm lucky to get 20ft and only if there are no walls in > > > the way. Kind of useless. I can't work outside on the deck like I'd > > > hoped. LOL. I see several orinoco gold cards on ebay <$50. lots of > > > external antennas too. Would you recommend the silver over the gold? > > > > The order is: Bronze < Silver < Gold. Bronze doesn't suppose WEP, Silver > > supports 64-bit, and Gold supports 64- or 128-bit. Although I've heard > > rumors that the former two can be flashed to the latter's firmware. I > > wouldn't know; I only have Golds. (Or the Dell Truemobile 1150, which is > > basically an Orinoco Gold.) Good cards, I've been pretty happy with > > them. > > > > Jima > > Thanks, I just ordered a Dell Truemobile 1150. :-D I just received this new card and the difference is amazing! Useing my old SMC 2435w Card I cannot use my wireless network in the next room. Using the New card, Dell Truemobile 1150 (repackaged Orinoks Gold Card) I can use the wireless network anywhere in my house and even down the street!. And that is without using an external antenna Lesson Learned: The 802.11x card makes a HUGE difference in the usability of your network. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Sep 9 15:34:28 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: <1063139005.1136.316.camel@lotsa>; from blots@visi.com on Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 03:23:25PM -0500 References: <1062185665.9575.37.camel@lotsa> <1063139005.1136.316.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20030909153428.D17899@thinkunix.net> Tom Penney wrote: > On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 14:34, Tom Penney wrote: > > Thanks, I just ordered a Dell Truemobile 1150. :-D > > I just received this new card and the difference is amazing! Useing my > old SMC 2435w Card I cannot use my wireless network in the next room. > Using the New card, Dell Truemobile 1150 (repackaged Orinoks Gold Card) > I can use the wireless network anywhere in my house and even down the > street!. And that is without using an external antenna > > Lesson Learned: The 802.11x card makes a HUGE difference in the > usability of your network. I'm curious, what make/model unit are you using for an access point? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Sep 9 15:39:12 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABD@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>; from Dan.Lansing@AndersenCorp.com on Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 01:44:02PM -0500 References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABD@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030909153912.E17899@thinkunix.net> I'll 2nd the slackware recommendation. It was my first distro and I learned alot. Still use it for it's stability and hack-ability. It's quick to install, easy to update, and most things work out of the box with slackware 9.0 (YMMV depending on what hardware you have). It just works. Lansing, Dan wrote: > I would recommend slackware...it is the distro I started with and taught me the most....dual booting will not be a problem with the default LILO setup and as a distro to help you learn the ropes I can think of none better....it gives you the freedom to learn the configuration and what not and doesn't dumb anything down for you while still having all the manpages and KDE and Gnome for easy user friendly GUI....and most importantly all other distros will give you genital warts....no lie...i read it on Slashdot... > > Dan Lansing > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Dick [mailto:joel_cd@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:37 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding > > Seeing as the installfest is fast approaching, I'm trying to decide what > distro I want to install, I'm sure this is always a popular question... -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Tue Sep 9 16:10:02 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: <20030909153428.D17899@thinkunix.net> References: <1062185665.9575.37.camel@lotsa> <1063139005.1136.316.camel@lotsa> <20030909153428.D17899@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <1063141802.1136.325.camel@lotsa> On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 15:34, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Tom Penney wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 14:34, Tom Penney wrote: > > > Thanks, I just ordered a Dell Truemobile 1150. :-D > > > > I just received this new card and the difference is amazing! Useing my > > old SMC 2435w Card I cannot use my wireless network in the next room. > > Using the New card, Dell Truemobile 1150 (repackaged Orinoks Gold Card) > > I can use the wireless network anywhere in my house and even down the > > street!. And that is without using an external antenna > > > > Lesson Learned: The 802.11x card makes a HUGE difference in the > > usability of your network. > > I'm curious, what make/model unit are you using for an access point? It's an SMC 2404WBR Broadband router. I'm currently only using it as a wireless access point. It was the cheapest the had at Microcenter at the time I decided I needed a wireless network. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Tue Sep 9 17:28:53 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] procmail to text message cell phone? Message-ID: <3F5E5425.C042AC60@ppdonline.com> Hello, Has anyone used procmail to copy email messages to their cell phone using text messaging? I'm thinking of something like this... :0E #The "E" is there because of a previous recipe in my script { :0c ! @mobile.att.net :0 ! myuserid@server.com } Being a newbie to procmail have I used the braces correctly? How about the "c" flag? Anything else I may have done wrong? I'm also wondering if the size of the messages poses a problem or if AT&T simply truncates everything I send to it at 150 characters (I don't mind if that's the case, I'll just use Pocket Outlook to grab the remainder of the email)? Any other problems you've run into? Thanks, Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From icerogue at techie.com Tue Sep 9 14:53:14 2003 From: icerogue at techie.com (Aaron Seidel) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Accessing a NTFS hard drive from linux Message-ID: <20030909195314.68189.qmail@mail.com> Does anyone know how to access a NTFS 5 hard drive from a Linux distro on another HD Aaron L. Seidel Student - Computer Programming Brown College -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Tue Sep 9 19:34:22 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Accessing a NTFS hard drive from linux References: <20030909195314.68189.qmail@mail.com> Message-ID: <3F5E718E.437224E0@ppdonline.com> I've used a driver for NTFS file systems from linux to recover data from a trashed NT4.0 install, it will read the files there just fine but won't write. I'm not sure if you need write capability or not though. Maybe someone else here will have better info for you. Later, Ben. Aaron Seidel wrote: > > Does anyone know how to access a NTFS 5 hard drive from a Linux distro on another HD > > Aaron L. Seidel > Student - Computer Programming > Brown College > > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search > http://corp.mail.com/careers > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Sep 9 20:13:52 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Accessing a NTFS hard drive from linux In-Reply-To: <20030909195314.68189.qmail@mail.com> References: <20030909195314.68189.qmail@mail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Aaron Seidel wrote: > Does anyone know how to access a NTFS 5 hard drive from a Linux distro > on another HD The linux kernel ntfs driver has poor write support, but it works great for read support. If you need write support there is a project that does a decent job. but i cannot recall the name of it. (hint: QTparted uses it for its write support) Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Tue Sep 9 21:52:39 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <20030909183729.6032.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030909183729.6032.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200309092152.39456.jack@jacku.com> On Tuesday 09 September 2003 01:37 pm, Joel Dick wrote: > idea why). So, my choices are, try to install Mandrake again, or Go with > either Suse or RedHat (their current versions). I'm looking for whatever > one works good with a dual boot scenario, and has the best features for a > guy that's still learning the ropes, but isn't entirely new to the world > of linux. It's not that I'm really unhappy with mandrake either, perhaps > having someone give me a hand with the install would be helpful even. > As I always do to these types of requests, I'll suggest SuSE. I too started with Slackware, used Caldera for a while, tried debian, and have used SuSE for almost 4 years, (looks at shelf with old CDs) since 6.2. A recently had to rebuild my system after a hard drive failure. This system has been a dual boot so I left space (a FAT32 partition) for a Win 98 SE install but haven't done that yet. The SuSE 8.2 setup detected the FAT32 partition, assumed a Windows install and added a boot option to Grub. In the time I've used SuSE I've installed it on a bunch of systems with almost no issues. This includes several laptops. Recently I purchase a TV Tuner/Capture card and the system detected the card and it setup very easily. As usual I'll be at the installfest for a while on Saturday if you decide to go SuSE. ;-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Sep 9 21:56:49 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Accessing a NTFS hard drive from linux References: <20030909195314.68189.qmail@mail.com> Message-ID: <019101c37747$2dd56910$0201a8c0@brinstar> Aaron Seidel writes: > Does anyone know how to access a NTFS 5 hard drive from a Linux > distro on another HD The Linux kernel has an NTFS driver. You will probably need to compile it into your kernel to utilize it (CONFIG_NTFS_FS). Make sure to specifically mount it read only, as write only has a chance of destroying your data. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Tue Sep 9 14:30:33 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HyperTerminal Replacement Message-ID: <1686.206.103.219.178.1063135833.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Could somebody recommend a Linux "HyperTerminal" equivalent so I can configure my Cisco router using the management cable? It would sure make things a lot easier for me than having to drag the router over to a Windows machine. It would be cool if the program would run without X. Thanks Mark Courtney http://www.MarkCourtney.com __ +|oo|+ +|oo|+ || || || || || || _ || _ \\_||_// | [] | | || | / [] \ \______/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Wed Sep 10 03:11:40 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HyperTerminal Replacement In-Reply-To: <1686.206.103.219.178.1063135833.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com>; from MarkCourtney@MarkCourtney.com on Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 01:30:33AM +0600 References: <1686.206.103.219.178.1063135833.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <20030910031140.A31800@thinkunix.net> Mark Courtney wrote: > Could somebody recommend a Linux "HyperTerminal" equivalent so I can > configure my Cisco router using the management cable? It would sure make > things a lot easier for me than having to drag the router over to a Windows > machine. > > It would be cool if the program would run without X. minicom is your friend! works equally as well at the console and in an xterm. http://alioth.debian.org/projects/minicom/ -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 10 07:14:46 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HyperTerminal Replacement In-Reply-To: <1686.206.103.219.178.1063135833.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <1686.206.103.219.178.1063135833.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Mark Courtney wrote: > Could somebody recommend a Linux "HyperTerminal" equivalent so I can > configure my Cisco router using the management cable? It would sure make > things a lot easier for me than having to drag the router over to a Windows > machine. minicom is the usual recomendation, but if you want a quick and dirty application cu part of the uucp family is your friend. both are console apps. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 10 08:05:20 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) BSD/OS Inevitability Message-ID: This may not be as off-topic as it first sounds. I got a message from Wind River this morning confirming the rumors of the EOL of BSD/OS. They will soon be releasing 5.1 in October, which will be the last version. All support ends on 31-Dec 2004. Sihope has been running BSD/OS for about 9 years - there are 2.0 boxes and manuals dated 1995 in the storage room. We have almost completely migrated to FreeBSD - we started more than a year ago when WRS bought BSDI, and we started to see some problems. But before that, it had served us very well. We have only a handful of BSD/OS machines left, and we already have plans to transition off of them, it's just a matter of time. So, for the not-off-topic part, we have a company that sells commercial unix (BSD/OS is not WRS' primary business) that is dropping the product line because it's no longer commercially viable, despite it being a sound business model for the previous 10 years. And everyone knows about ANOTHER x86-based unix vendor that is showing all of the same signs, and is making one last effort before the company tanks, because their x86-unix product is no longer making them money, and this one IS their primary business. This is also after being a relative success for the past 10 years (The SCO group was founded in 1994). Yes, I said success - even though I think OpenServer sucks like a 14-amp Hoover, and UnixWare blows like said Hoover on Super-Ultra-Mega-Reverse, the business was in pretty good shape up until a few years ago. (Does the sucking and S-U-M-blowing cancel out?) Is this the beginning of the end for commercial unix on x86? Ignoring Solaris x86, which is the bastard love-child of Sun and Intel (it's like one of those morphing programs, where you put in your picture and your girlfriend's picture, and you see what kind of hideous creation would befall humanity if you procreated.) It was not released to be a stand-alone product and generate revenue, it just made things easier/cheaper for Sun (easier support-wise for their existing customer base that is already used to Solaris, and cheaper for Sun because they now have a familiar OS that can run on their x86-based hardware, and better for Sun in general because it gets more people hooked into Solaris). Oh yeah, but Sun loves Linux (so they released Solaris x86?!?) So what does everyone think? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Sep 10 08:05:46 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HyperTerminal Replacement In-Reply-To: <1686.206.103.219.178.1063135833.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <1686.206.103.219.178.1063135833.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <20030910130546.GA26338@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 01:30:33AM +0600, Mark Courtney wrote: > Could somebody recommend a Linux "HyperTerminal" equivalent so I can > configure my Cisco router using the management cable? It would sure make > things a lot easier for me than having to drag the router over to a Windows > machine. > > It would be cool if the program would run without X. > I used to use minicom for this sort of thing, but once I learned that screen does it too, I never went back. Screen 9 is perpetually connected to my Cisco via ttyS0. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Sep 10 08:34:46 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HyperTerminal Replacement In-Reply-To: <20030910130546.GA26338@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, John J. Trammell wrote: > I used to use minicom for this sort of thing, but once I > learned that screen does it too, I never went back. Screen > 9 is perpetually connected to my Cisco via ttyS0. What a horribly underdocumented feature. I've been using screen for 8+ years, and this is the first I've heard of that. Wow. Hint: `screen /dev/ttyS0 38400` Thanks for the heads-up, John. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Wed Sep 10 09:02:18 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest networking equip Message-ID: <1063202538.aa2d5520kcbnac@myrealbox.com> I can pick up some 3Com Corebuilder 7000's with Gigabit fiber and 10/100 ethernet...$300 each, anybody interested? I'm not picking them up if nobody wants them, I can get up to 19. Should we (as a LUG) see about purchasing some of our own networking equipment? Either this or the Bay Networks stuff would work...high speed, etc... (Perhaps a good discussion for the installfest....)? Also, I can bring them to you at the installfest, if you want. They are as-is, but should be working (as far as I know, they're working pulls- I'll test 'em some before I grab them) Let me know (offlist work best) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Sep 10 10:00:23 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] procmail to text message cell phone? In-Reply-To: <3F5E5425.C042AC60@ppdonline.com> References: <3F5E5425.C042AC60@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20030910150023.GB16470@skuld.wookimus.net> It looks good, generally speaking. I would indent things to make it a bit clearer what you're trying to do. I usually indent "E" and "A" recipes as well, just for a visual flow effect. :0 * Condition to match { # RECIPE ... } :0E #The "E" is there because of a previous recipe in my script { :0c ! @mobile.att.net :0 ! myuserid@server.com } I'm not sure how well AT&T filters emails, but T-Mobile's SMS Gateway doesn't clean up some header fields very well. Additionally, the "Subject:" and "From:" headers count against your total character count. :0E * < 1024 * ^From: \/.* { # Grab the from address from \/ match above FROM=$MATCH # Send copy to final destination :0c ! myuserid@server.com # Generate autoreply -- strips headers, and keep body. # Override "From: " :0 fw | formail -r -k -I "From: $FROM" # Now, let's cut the body down to 150 bytes (one byte/char) :0 abfw | head -c 150 # Cut out the "Subject:" & "To:" headers -- may not be # necesary #:0 ahfw #| sed -e '/^\(To\|Subject\):.*/ d' # and send it on its way -- not important if body snip # didn't work :0 ! @mobile.att.net } #CAUTION, UNTESTED -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030910/c8e9c123/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Sep 10 10:36:06 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] procmail to text message cell phone? In-Reply-To: <20030910150023.GB16470@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <3F5E5425.C042AC60@ppdonline.com> <20030910150023.GB16470@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030910153606.GC16470@skuld.wookimus.net> On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 10:00:23AM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > :0E > * < 1024 > * ^From: \/.* > { > # Grab the from address from \/ match above > FROM=$MATCH I've been testing my little script. This works pretty well so far, but the byte count above is too restrictive. Emails can be larger as long as we cut the body down. So, I've increased this to 50 kb. :0E * < 51200 ... -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030910/9876af36/attachment.pgp From bbaptist at iexposure.com Wed Sep 10 11:33:12 2003 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HyperTerminal Replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309101133.12025.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Wednesday 10 September 2003 8:34 am, Jima wrote: > On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, John J. Trammell wrote: > > I used to use minicom for this sort of thing, but once I > > learned that screen does it too, I never went back. Screen > > 9 is perpetually connected to my Cisco via ttyS0. > > What a horribly underdocumented feature. I've been using screen for 8+ > years, and this is the first I've heard of that. Wow. > Hint: `screen /dev/ttyS0 38400` > Thanks for the heads-up, John. > > Jima Awesome so how do you quit out of it? Bret. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ry4an-tclug at ry4an.org Wed Sep 10 11:34:00 2003 From: ry4an-tclug at ry4an.org (Ry4an Brase) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] procmail to text message cell phone? In-Reply-To: <20030910170002.16337.22794.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030910170002.16337.22794.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030910163357.GN1431@ry4an.org> To deal with the SMS size limit I use this recipe: :0c * ^TO.*ry4an-phone | /usr/local/bin/email2sms | mail 6125557352@voicestream.net To send the mail to the attached script. Which tries a few different strategies to get the message down to size including the fun Lingua::EN::Squeeze Perl module. What's more it then a reply back to the sender showing them the munged message so they can decide whether too much important data was lost. This paragraph run through the filter looks like: To snd mail to attached scriptW/ trie few dif stratge to get msg dwn to siz includng fun Lng::EN::sqz Prl modWhats +/ it then reply bck to send showng them mng msg so t/ _n dcde wheth too mch important dat was lstThi prgra run thrgh filt lok lik And at the highest level: ToSndMailToAttachedScriptW/TrieFewDifStratgeToGetMsgDwnToSizIncludngFunLng::EN::sqzPrlModWhats+/ItThenReplyBckToSendShowngThemMngMsgSoT/_nDcdeWhethTooMchImportantDatWasLstThiPrgraRunThrghFiltLokLik I don't write Perl as ugly as in the attached script which originally came from freshmeat[1], but I did add the auto-responding code. [1] http://freshmeat.net/projects/email2sms/?topic_id=29%2C28 On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 10:00:02PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > It looks good, generally speaking. I would indent things to make it a > bit clearer what you're trying to do. I usually indent "E" and "A" > recipes as well, just for a visual flow effect. > > :0 > * Condition to match > { # RECIPE ... } > > :0E #The "E" is there because of a previous recipe in my script > { > :0c > ! @mobile.att.net > > :0 > ! myuserid@server.com > } > > I'm not sure how well AT&T filters emails, but T-Mobile's SMS Gateway > doesn't clean up some header fields very well. Additionally, the > "Subject:" and "From:" headers count against your total character count. > > [snip recipe] -- Ry4an Brase - http://ry4an.org /~\ 'If you're not a rebel when you're 20 you've got no heart; if \ / you're not establishment when you're 30 you've got no brain.' X Join the ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML email / \ -------------- next part -------------- #!/usr/bin/perl -w ## ## email2sms - email to SMS formatter ## ## Copyright (c) 1999--2000 Adam Spiers . ## Miniscule portions Copyright (c) 1999 Ry4an Brase . ## ## All rights reserved. This program is free software; you can redistribute ## it and/or modify it under the same terms as Perl itself. ## ## $Id$ ## use strict; use Lingua::EN::Squeeze; use MIME::Entity; use MIME::Body; use MIME::Parser; use Getopt::Std; ## ## Process options and config file ## my %opts = (); getopts('f:h', \%opts); my $configfile = $opts{'f'} || "$ENV{HOME}/.email2smsrc"; if (@ARGV or $opts{h}) { die < Command-line usage: email2sms [ -f configfile ] < email_in > sms_out Please see the accompanying README/INSTALL files for full instructions. USAGE } # Configuration defaults my %conf = ( maxlen => 160, logfile => '', section => '|', newline => '|', attrib => '', quoted => '', squeeze_modes => [ 'noconv' ], optimize => 0, respond => 0, smtphost => 'localhost', ); &parse_config_file($configfile); # Open log file if ($conf{logfile}) { open(LOG, ">>$conf{logfile}") or die "Couldn't open log file $conf{logfile} for appending.\n"; } ## ## Parse and munge e-mail ## # FIXME: This is a security hole! my $tmp_dir = "/tmp/email2sms.$>.$$"; &log_this("Using $tmp_dir as MIME temporary directory\n"); mkdir $tmp_dir, 0700 or die "mkdir: $!"; my $parser = new MIME::Parser; $parser->output_dir($tmp_dir); my $mail_in = $parser->read(\*STDIN) or die "Couldn't parse STDIN as MIME stream\n"; my $body_in = join '', @{ body $mail_in }; my $why_not = &check_content_type($mail_in); die "$why_not\n" if $why_not; # These globals are our scratchpad, and get used by &final_out() my ($from_in, $from_out, $subject_out, $body_out, $subject_in); # Munge body first $body_out = $body_in; &munge_body($body_in); # Then munge header, depending on how much we managed to squeeze the body my $header_in = head $mail_in; my $header_out = &munge_header($header_in); ## ## Send message ## my $sms = substr(&final_out, 0, $conf{maxlen}); &log_this("Final message:\n$sms\n"); &log_delim(); &log_this("Final length: ", length($sms), "\n"); if ($conf{respond}) { my $matched = eval qq{\$from_in =~ $conf{respond}}; if ($@) { &log_delim(); &log_this("`respond' regexp $conf{respond} didn't compile:\n $@\n"); } elsif ($matched) { &log_delim(); &respond($mail_in); } else { &log_delim(); &log_this("didn't match respond regexp\n"); } } &log_delim('-'); print $sms, "\n"; my $all_tmps = "$tmp_dir/*"; unlink glob($all_tmps) or die "unlink: $!"; rmdir $tmp_dir; exit 0; ############################################################################## sub parse_config_file { my $config_file = shift; open(CONFIG, $config_file) or die "Couldn't open config file $config_file: $!\n"; while () { next if /^\s*\#/ || /^\s*$/; # damn cperl-mode s/^\s*//; # trim leading whitespace # This is a butt-ugly switch if (/^maxlen\s+(\d+)/) { $conf{maxlen} = $1; } elsif (/^logfile\s+(.*?)\s*$/) { ($conf{logfile} = $1) =~ s/~/$ENV{HOME}/g; $conf{logfile} =~ s/\$(\w)/$ENV{$1}/g; } elsif (/^section\s+'(.*)'\s*$/) { $conf{section} = $1; } elsif (/^newline\s+'(.*)'\s*$/) { $conf{newline} = $1; } elsif (/^attrib\s+'(.*)'\s*$/) { $conf{attrib} = $1; } elsif (/^quoted\s+'(.*)'\s*$/) { $conf{quoted} = $1; } elsif (/^fromsub\s+(.*)$/) { push @{$conf{from_substs}}, $1; } elsif (/^squeeze\s+(.*)\s*$/) { @{$conf{squeeze_modes}} = split /,\s*/, $1; } elsif (/^optimize\s+([01])\s*$/) { $conf{optimize} = $1; } elsif (/^respond\s+(.*)\s*$/) { $conf{respond} = $1; } elsif (/^response-from\s+(.*)\s*$/) { $conf{response_from} = $1; } elsif (/^smtphost\s+(.*)\s*$/) { $conf{smtphost} = $1; } } close(CONFIG); } ## sub check_content_type { my ($mail_in) = @_; my $why_not = ''; my $content_type = $mail_in->mime_type; &log_this("Content-Type is $content_type\n"); if ($mail_in->is_multipart) { &log_this("Message is multipart; splitting ...\n"); # Get text/plain bits only my @parts = $mail_in->parts; &log_this(@parts . " parts found\n"); if (@parts > 0) { my @parts_in = (); foreach my $part (@parts) { my $mime_type = $part->mime_type; &log_this("part type $mime_type\n"); if ($mime_type =~ m!^text/plain!i) { push @parts_in, $part->body_as_string(); } else { &log_this("Skipping $mime_type attachment\n"); } } if (@parts_in) { $body_in = join $conf{section}, @parts_in; } else { $why_not = "No text/plain message parts found."; } } else { $why_not = "Multipart message had no parts."; } } &log_delim(); return $why_not; } ## sub munge_body { my ($body_in) = @_; #&log_this("*** Untouched message body:\n$body_in\n"); #&log_delim(); # Remove quoted material #$body_in =~ s/(^> *.*?$()\n)+//gm; $body_in =~ s/ ( $conf{attrib} \n ) ? # attribution line ( $conf{quoted} .*? $ \n )+ # quoted lines //gmx if exists $conf{attrib} and exists $conf{quoted}; &log_this("*** Dequoted message body:\n$body_in\n"); &log_delim(); # Newlines collapse ... $body_in =~ s/^\n+\s*//; $body_in =~ s/\s*\n+\s*/$conf{newline}/g; my $mode = 0; my @squeeze_modes = @{$conf{squeeze_modes}}; $Lingua::EN::Squeeze::SQZ_OPTIMIZE_LEVEL = $conf{optimize}; # Shrink body, but not more than necessary do { my $new_mode = $squeeze_modes[$mode++]; &log_this("Trying squeeze mode $new_mode on body ... "); SqueezeControl($new_mode); $body_out = SqueezeText $body_in; # SqueezeText seems to add a \n chomp $body_out; # It doesn't eliminate multiple consecutive spaces either ... weird $body_out =~ s/\s+/ /g; &log_this(length(&final_out) . " characters\n"); } until length(&final_out) <= $conf{maxlen} or $mode > $#squeeze_modes; &log_delim(); } ## sub munge_header { my ($header_in) = @_; # Who's it from? $from_in = $header_in->get('From') || $header_in->get('From ') || '?'; $from_in =~ s/\w{3} \w{3} \d\d \d\d:\d\d:\d\d \d{4}$//; # remove date $from_out = $from_in || '?'; # Eliminate multiple consecutive spaces $from_out =~ s/\s+/ /g; if ($from_out) { chomp $from_out; &munge_from(); } $subject_in = $header_in->get('Subject') || ''; chomp $subject_in; &munge_subject($subject_in) if $subject_in; } ## sub munge_from { return unless @{$conf{from_substs}}; my $munger_code = <<'EVAL'; sub { my $from = shift; EVAL $munger_code .= join '', map { ' $from =~ ' . $_ . ";\n" } @{$conf{from_substs}}; $munger_code .= <<'EVAL'; return $from; } EVAL &log_this("from munger is:\n$munger_code"); &log_delim(); my $munger = eval $munger_code; &log_this("From header before munging is $from_out\n"); $from_out = $munger->($from_out); &log_this("From header after munging is $from_out\n"); &log_delim(); } ## sub munge_subject { my ($subject_in) = @_; # Shrink subject if we're still over the limit, but not more than necessary $subject_out = $subject_in; if (length(&final_out) > $conf{maxlen}) { my $mode = 0; my @squeeze_modes = @{$conf{squeeze_modes}}; do { my $new_mode = $squeeze_modes[$mode++]; &log_this("Trying squeeze mode $new_mode on subject ... "); SqueezeControl($new_mode); $subject_out = SqueezeText $subject_in; # SqueezeText seems to add a \n chomp $subject_out; # It doesn't eliminate multiple consecutive spaces either ... weird $subject_out =~ s/\s+/ /g; &log_this(length(&final_out) . " characters\n"); } until length(&final_out) <= $conf{maxlen} or $mode > $#squeeze_modes; &log_delim(); } } ## sub final_out { my @sections = (); foreach ($from_out, $subject_out, $body_out) { my $section = $_; # stop aliasing effect if ($section) { # damnit, thought this would have gone by now $section =~ s/^\s*(.+?)\s*$/$1/; push @sections, $section; } } return join $conf{section}, @sections; } ## sub log_this { return unless $conf{logfile}; print LOG @_; } ## sub log_delim { my $delimiter = shift; $delimiter ||= '. '; &log_this(substr($delimiter x 80, 0, 79), "\n"); } ## sub respond { my $mail = shift; my $body = <build(From => $conf{response_from}, To => $to, Subject => $subject_in, Type => 'text/plain', Encoding => 'quoted-printable', Data => [ $body ]); &log_this("Responding by email to: $to\n"); # Send the autoreply my @sent_to = $reply->smtpsend(Host => $conf{smtphost}) or warn "failed to send auto-reply"; } From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Sep 10 11:44:19 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HyperTerminal Replacement In-Reply-To: <200309101133.12025.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Bret Baptist wrote: > On Wednesday 10 September 2003 8:34 am, Jima wrote: > > Hint: `screen /dev/ttyS0 38400` > > Awesome so how do you quit out of it? Personally, I just killed the window: ^aK (capital K, mind) And if you want window 9 to be connected to ttyS0 when you start screen, add the following to your .screenrc: screen 9 /dev/ttyS0 38400 screen 0 The "screen 0" starts a $SHELL session on 0, and leaves you there. Pretty nifty stuff. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Wed Sep 10 11:41:32 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] procmail to text message cell phone? References: <3F5E5425.C042AC60@ppdonline.com> <20030910150023.GB16470@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3F5F543C.62C9D105@ppdonline.com> > I'm not sure how well AT&T filters emails, but T-Mobile's SMS Gateway > doesn't clean up some header fields very well. Additionally, the > "Subject:" and "From:" headers count against your total character count. Let me see if I understand this properly (I'm still getting used to procmail so I want to make sure I know what's happening). I'll insert comments below, please tell me if I'm off base. > :0E > * < 1024 Why are we limiting to emails under 1K (or 50K in your follow up email)? > * ^From: \/.* So the "\/" stores whatever matches the regexp immediately following it to the variable MATCH? > { > # Grab the from address from \/ match above > FROM=$MATCH Simple variable assignment right? > # Send copy to final destination > :0c > ! myuserid@server.com Send the copy to my "real" address first so we can beat up the message going to my cell phone? > # Generate autoreply -- strips headers, and keep body. > # Override "From: " > :0 fw > | formail -r -k -I "From: $FROM" So we're reformatting the email to remove all headers except for "From" which we saved earlier using the MATCH variable? > # Now, let's cut the body down to 150 bytes (one byte/char) > :0 abfw flags here feed the body to the piped filter and wait if the previous succeeded? > | head -c 150 gives us the first 150 bytes of the body back? > # Cut out the "Subject:" & "To:" headers -- may not be > # necesary > #:0 ahfw > #| sed -e '/^\(To\|Subject\):.*/ d' Are these commented out because the formail line above already removed all headers but "From"? If I wanted to keep both From and Subject could I do... | sed -ne '/^\(From\|Subject\):.*/ p' instead of the formail statement above? Is there an easier/better way to do that with formail? > # and send it on its way -- not important if body snip > # didn't work > :0 > ! @mobile.att.net Now we send the filtered message to my phone. > } #CAUTION, UNTESTED So, have I followed this correctly? By the way, thank you Chad for all your help. I think I'm starting to catch on and that's due greatly to your advice here. Thank you! Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at toyotavans.org Wed Sep 10 02:48:05 2003 From: mj at toyotavans.org (M. Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HyperTerminal Replacement In-Reply-To: <1686.206.103.219.178.1063135833.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <1686.206.103.219.178.1063135833.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <3F5ED735.2080707@toyotavans.org> Minicom.... Plain jane console terminal program. You can save different configurations with it too. I.E. to get at my cisco 67x I run 'minicom dsl' wherein 'dsl' is a configuration saved that connects via ttyS0 at 38400. -mj Mark Courtney wrote: > Could somebody recommend a Linux "HyperTerminal" equivalent so I can > configure my Cisco router using the management cable? It would sure make > things a lot easier for me than having to drag the router over to a Windows > machine. > > It would be cool if the program would run without X. > > Thanks > > > Mark Courtney > > http://www.MarkCourtney.com > > __ > +|oo|+ > +|oo|+ > || > || > || > || > || > || > _ || _ > \\_||_// > | [] | > | || | > / [] \ > \______/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Sep 10 11:56:55 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner Smarthost? Message-ID: <20030910115655.00004434.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> Hi, I'm running a small shop in my house for providing email/web hosting for a couple domains for friends, nonprofits, etc. I'm using Road Runner as my provider on a business class account. Mostly mjust want to learn how all this stuff works and at the same time make a buck or two. My mail server is qmail. What I'm finding is that mail to certain addresses are getting bounced back because Road Runner's SMTP server relays the mail and the destination is configured to block everything from rr.com. The googling I've done points to configuring qmail to use a smarthost by setting up smtproutes, but I'm a bit at a loss as to how to do this. As usual, the qmail documentaion is somewhat cryptic (to me anyway). Does this imply finding out from Road Runner what their smarthost SMTP server is and putting that in smtproutes? Or can I somehow tell qmail that my box is the smarthost? Ideally I'd like my SMTP server to not even talk to Road Runner's, but I'm not sure if this is possible. Any thoughts/suggestions? Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Wed Sep 10 12:03:44 2003 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HyperTerminal Replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309101203.44391.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Wednesday 10 September 2003 11:44 am, Jima wrote: > On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Bret Baptist wrote: > > On Wednesday 10 September 2003 8:34 am, Jima wrote: > > > Hint: `screen /dev/ttyS0 38400` > > > > Awesome so how do you quit out of it? > > Personally, I just killed the window: ^aK (capital K, mind) > And if you want window 9 to be connected to ttyS0 when you start screen, > add the following to your .screenrc: > > screen 9 /dev/ttyS0 38400 > screen 0 > > The "screen 0" starts a $SHELL session on 0, and leaves you there. > Pretty nifty stuff. > > Jima Humm the man page says lowercase "k". That was my problem. Bret. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Wed Sep 10 12:07:37 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding Message-ID: I also recommend SuSE, and will be at the installfest all day. I've got copies of 7.2, 8.1, and 8.2 (all professional versions). Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> jack@jacku.com 09/09/03 09:52PM >>> On Tuesday 09 September 2003 01:37 pm, Joel Dick wrote: > idea why). So, my choices are, try to install Mandrake again, or Go with > either Suse or RedHat (their current versions). I'm looking for whatever > one works good with a dual boot scenario, and has the best features for a > guy that's still learning the ropes, but isn't entirely new to the world > of linux. It's not that I'm really unhappy with mandrake either, perhaps > having someone give me a hand with the install would be helpful even. > As I always do to these types of requests, I'll suggest SuSE. I too started with Slackware, used Caldera for a while, tried debian, and have used SuSE for almost 4 years, (looks at shelf with old CDs) since 6.2. A recently had to rebuild my system after a hard drive failure. This system has been a dual boot so I left space (a FAT32 partition) for a Win 98 SE install but haven't done that yet. The SuSE 8.2 setup detected the FAT32 partition, assumed a Windows install and added a boot option to Grub. In the time I've used SuSE I've installed it on a bunch of systems with almost no issues. This includes several laptops. Recently I purchase a TV Tuner/Capture card and the system detected the card and it setup very easily. As usual I'll be at the installfest for a while on Saturday if you decide to go SuSE. ;-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tim at lparetail.com Wed Sep 10 12:00:15 2003 From: tim at lparetail.com (Tim Lano) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Needs Red Hat Linux help Message-ID: <010401c377bd$02357d10$9100000a@lpadomain> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Tim Lano.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 443 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030910/e14afa30/TimLano.vcf From peter-clark at bethel.edu Wed Sep 10 11:53:24 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory Message-ID: <200309101153.24601.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Is there a way to specify that all files created in a certain directory should belong to a certain group and be writable by that group? I'd like to share (locally) a directory with my wife and have everything in that directory modifiable by either of us automatically, without having to chown and chmod new files every time. Both of us belong to group 'users', so all I really need to know is how to specify that all new files in the directory must belong to group 'users' and have g+rw access. Thanks, :Peter _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Sep 10 12:15:06 2003 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Needs Red Hat Linux help In-Reply-To: <010401c377bd$02357d10$9100000a@lpadomain> References: <010401c377bd$02357d10$9100000a@lpadomain> Message-ID: <1063214106.3f5f5c1a9acfc@my.visi.com> Now I wish I had started learning Linux about 4 years ago... I think you will get some response I just wish I had the skill set. Sam. Quoting Tim Lano : > My company (LPA Retail Systems) provides point of sale and back office > accounting solutions to small to mid-sized retailers. While most of our > installations are Windows, we also provide our system in LINUX. > > > > I am interested in obtaining local Red Hat LINUX assistance. I am looking for > someone(s) that I can use on a sub-contract basis to help my company with > some LINUX installations and to also provide some LINUX skills transfer some > of my technical staff. > > > > If you have an interest, please contact Tim at cell 952-221-7860 or > 952-814-4800 ext. 102. You can E-Mail me also at tim@lparetail.com. > > > > Thank you. > > Sincerely yours, > > > Tim Lano > President > LPA Retail Systems Inc. > (952) 814-4800 ext. 102 > Fax (952) 814-4805 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Sep 10 12:23:32 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] procmail to text message cell phone? In-Reply-To: <20030910163357.GN1431@ry4an.org> References: <20030910170002.16337.22794.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <20030910163357.GN1431@ry4an.org> Message-ID: <20030910172332.GB17797@skuld.wookimus.net> On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 11:34:00AM -0500, Ry4an Brase wrote: > To snd mail to attached scriptW/ trie few dif > stratge to get msg dwn to siz includng fun > Lng::EN::sqz Prl modWhats +/ it then reply bck to > send showng them mng msg so t/ _n dcde wheth > too mch important dat was lstThi prgra run thrgh filt > lok lik That's pretty interesting. I think you could do some very simple cutting and substituting with a sed script as well. I like the general how you've tried to remove vowels from consanant-rich words. Pretty cool. #/usr/bin/sed -f # /^\(Subject\|\(In-\)?Reply-To\|To\|References\):/ d s/[Tt]he //g s/[Ww]ith /w\//g s/[Mm]essage /msg/g s/[Rr]remove /rm/g s/[Ss]ubs[a-z]\+ /sub/g s/[:punct:]//g s/ .//g # quit when reach signature ("^--\( \).$") /^--\( \).$/ q -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030910/c5600a0a/attachment.pgp From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Sep 10 12:39:27 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory In-Reply-To: <200309101153.24601.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <200309101153.24601.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <20030910173927.GA1492@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 11:53:24AM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > Is there a way to specify that all files created in a certain directory > should belong to a certain group and be writable by that group? You could: - turn on the setgid bit for that directory (chmod g+s mydir) - play around with umask (I think a value of 022 is right) 'info chmod' and 'info setgid' for details. Maybe google for "chmod setgid directory linux". -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trieff at greencaremankato.com Wed Sep 10 12:55:02 2003 From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Details ??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Could you provide the details of the Installfest? Date, time, place, etc. Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 507-344-8314 Office 507-344-8316 Fax trieff@greencaremankato.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Broecker Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding I also recommend SuSE, and will be at the installfest all day. I've got copies of 7.2, 8.1, and 8.2 (all professional versions). Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> jack@jacku.com 09/09/03 09:52PM >>> On Tuesday 09 September 2003 01:37 pm, Joel Dick wrote: > idea why). So, my choices are, try to install Mandrake again, or Go > with either Suse or RedHat (their current versions). I'm looking for > whatever one works good with a dual boot scenario, and has the best > features for a guy that's still learning the ropes, but isn't entirely > new to the world of linux. It's not that I'm really unhappy with > mandrake either, perhaps having someone give me a hand with the > install would be helpful even. > As I always do to these types of requests, I'll suggest SuSE. I too started with Slackware, used Caldera for a while, tried debian, and have used SuSE for almost 4 years, (looks at shelf with old CDs) since 6.2. A recently had to rebuild my system after a hard drive failure. This system has been a dual boot so I left space (a FAT32 partition) for a Win 98 SE install but haven't done that yet. The SuSE 8.2 setup detected the FAT32 partition, assumed a Windows install and added a boot option to Grub. In the time I've used SuSE I've installed it on a bunch of systems with almost no issues. This includes several laptops. Recently I purchase a TV Tuner/Capture card and the system detected the card and it setup very easily. As usual I'll be at the installfest for a while on Saturday if you decide to go SuSE. ;-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Wed Sep 10 12:56:05 2003 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner Smarthost? In-Reply-To: <20030910115655.00004434.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20030910115655.00004434.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <61066.65.116.187.219.1063216565.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> I'm doing the same thing, but I'm using sendmail. I found that some sites were blocking the address ranges of Road Runner users, but I haven't seen anyone blocking Road Runners mail servers. RR allows me to relay off them because the message is coming from one of their ip's (just like a user sending mail with Outlook Express) I had to create a couple of entries in my /etc/mail/mailertable like the following: aol.com smtp:smtp-server.mn.rr.com netscape.net smtp:smtp-server.mn.rr.com mn.rr.com smtp:smtp-server.mn.rr.com Basically what this is telling sendmail is that for aol.com addresses forward those messages to smtp-server.mn.rr.com using smtp. The Road Runner server then forwards the mail onto the approriate location. Hope this helps Jim > Hi, > > I'm running a small shop in my house for providing email/web hosting for > a couple domains for friends, nonprofits, etc. I'm using Road Runner as > my provider on a business class account. Mostly mjust want to learn how > all this stuff works and at the same time make a buck or two. > > My mail server is qmail. What I'm finding is that mail to certain > addresses are getting bounced back because Road Runner's SMTP server > relays the mail and the destination is configured to block everything > from rr.com. The googling I've done points to configuring qmail to use > a smarthost by setting up smtproutes, but I'm a bit at a loss as to how > to do this. As usual, the qmail documentaion is somewhat cryptic (to me > anyway). Does this imply finding out from Road Runner what their > smarthost SMTP server is and putting that in smtproutes? Or can I > somehow tell qmail that my box is the smarthost? > > Ideally I'd like my SMTP server to not even talk to Road Runner's, but > I'm not sure if this is possible. > > Any thoughts/suggestions? > > Josh > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 13:04:56 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030910180456.97480.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> That's two stong votes for SuSE, and two stong votes for Slackware. Oh the choices... Good to know I'll have people there to help out though :) --- Bruce Broecker wrote: > I also recommend SuSE, and will be at the installfest all day. I've got > copies of 7.2, 8.1, and 8.2 (all professional versions). > > Bruce > > Bruce Broecker > Network Comm Supervisor > The Toro Company > > > >>> jack@jacku.com 09/09/03 09:52PM >>> > On Tuesday 09 September 2003 01:37 pm, Joel Dick wrote: > > idea why). So, my choices are, try to install Mandrake again, or Go > with > > either Suse or RedHat (their current versions). I'm looking for > whatever > > one works good with a dual boot scenario, and has the best features > for a > > guy that's still learning the ropes, but isn't entirely new to the > world > > of linux. It's not that I'm really unhappy with mandrake either, > perhaps > > having someone give me a hand with the install would be helpful even. > > > > As I always do to these types of requests, I'll suggest SuSE. I too > started > with Slackware, used Caldera for a while, tried debian, and have used > SuSE > for almost 4 years, (looks at shelf with old CDs) since 6.2. A recently > had > to rebuild my system after a hard drive failure. This system has been a > dual > boot so I left space (a FAT32 partition) for a Win 98 SE install but > haven't > done that yet. The SuSE 8.2 setup detected the FAT32 partition, assumed > a > Windows install and added a boot option to Grub. > > In the time I've used SuSE I've installed it on a bunch of systems with > almost > no issues. This includes several laptops. Recently I purchase a TV > Tuner/Capture card and the system detected the card and it setup very > easily. > > As usual I'll be at the installfest for a while on Saturday if you > decide to > go SuSE. ;-) > -- > Jack Ungerleider > jack@jacku.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Sep 10 13:05:28 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Details ??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030910180528.GD3320@fandre.com> An announcement just went out, but the same info is on the website. http://www.tclug.org/installfest/ On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Thomas Rieff wrote: > Could you provide the details of the Installfest? > Date, time, place, etc. > Tom > > Thomas Rieff > GreenCare > 1717 3rd Avenue > Mankato, MN 56001 > 507-344-8314 Office > 507-344-8316 Fax > trieff@greencaremankato.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Broecker > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:08 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding > > > I also recommend SuSE, and will be at the installfest all day. I've got > copies of 7.2, 8.1, and 8.2 (all professional versions). > > Bruce > > Bruce Broecker > Network Comm Supervisor > The Toro Company > > > >>> jack@jacku.com 09/09/03 09:52PM >>> > On Tuesday 09 September 2003 01:37 pm, Joel Dick wrote: > > idea why). So, my choices are, try to install Mandrake again, or Go > > with either Suse or RedHat (their current versions). I'm looking for > > whatever one works good with a dual boot scenario, and has the best > > features for a guy that's still learning the ropes, but isn't entirely > > > new to the world of linux. It's not that I'm really unhappy with > > mandrake either, perhaps having someone give me a hand with the > > install would be helpful even. > > > > As I always do to these types of requests, I'll suggest SuSE. I too > started > with Slackware, used Caldera for a while, tried debian, and have used > SuSE > for almost 4 years, (looks at shelf with old CDs) since 6.2. A recently > had > to rebuild my system after a hard drive failure. This system has been a > dual > boot so I left space (a FAT32 partition) for a Win 98 SE install but > haven't > done that yet. The SuSE 8.2 setup detected the FAT32 partition, assumed > a > Windows install and added a boot option to Grub. > > In the time I've used SuSE I've installed it on a bunch of systems with > almost > no issues. This includes several laptops. Recently I purchase a TV > Tuner/Capture card and the system detected the card and it setup very > easily. > > As usual I'll be at the installfest for a while on Saturday if you > decide to > go SuSE. ;-) > -- > Jack Ungerleider > jack@jacku.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Wed Sep 10 13:15:23 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABF@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> The way I look at it there is a simple decision here....SuSE is a good distro I will not say other wise....it auto-dectects everything....auto configures almost everything....auto loads everything...get the pattern here....SuSE I think is a great distribution for someone who just wants it to work right away minimal configuration minimal learning...IMHO....slackware is a better distro (again IMHO) for those who want more control and learning experiences....my $.02...no offense intended to SuSE users...my server runs SuSE OpenExchange.... Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Joel Dick [mailto:joel_cd@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 1:05 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding That's two stong votes for SuSE, and two stong votes for Slackware. Oh the choices... Good to know I'll have people there to help out though :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Sep 10 13:16:21 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <20030910180456.97480.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030910180456.97480.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030910181621.GA2827@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 11:04:56AM -0700, Joel Dick wrote: > That's two stong votes for SuSE, and two stong votes for Slackware. > > Oh the choices... > > Good to know I'll have people there to help out though :) > Of course if your HD is big enough, you can install as many different distros as you have time for. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Wed Sep 10 13:29:06 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HyperTerminal Replacement In-Reply-To: ; from jima@beer.tclug.org on Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 08:34:46AM -0500 References: <20030910130546.GA26338@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20030910132906.A31982@thinkunix.net> Jima wrote: > On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, John J. Trammell wrote: > > I used to use minicom for this sort of thing, but once I > > learned that screen does it too, I never went back. Screen > > 9 is perpetually connected to my Cisco via ttyS0. > > What a horribly underdocumented feature. I've been using screen for 8+ > years, and this is the first I've heard of that. Wow. > Hint: `screen /dev/ttyS0 38400` what's the trick to getting out of it? I've tried: C-a d # detach - detaches but then screen is still running C-a C-d C-a k # kill - doesn't kill the /dev/ttyS0 session C-a C-k C-a C-\ # quit - seems to do nothing kill -9 `/sbin/pidof screen` # works though -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Sep 10 13:38:58 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] procmail to text message cell phone? In-Reply-To: <3F5F543C.62C9D105@ppdonline.com> References: <3F5E5425.C042AC60@ppdonline.com> <20030910150023.GB16470@skuld.wookimus.net> <3F5F543C.62C9D105@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20030910183858.GC17797@skuld.wookimus.net> On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 11:41:32AM -0500, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Why are we limiting to emails under 1K (or 50K in your follow up > email)? Only a logic decision. We don't want to have to parse 1MB of a message if we only care about the first 10k. Plus, whomever is sending the message should know how big of a message is allowed. Now, on to the rest of your message. Rather than typing "Yep" for things that you got right, I'll only comment on things that need clarification. > > :0 fw > > | formail -r -k -I "From: $FROM" > So we're reformatting the email to remove all headers except for "From" > which we saved earlier using the MATCH variable? Kind of. formail creates a reply message with the '-r' option, keeps the body with the '-k' option, prefixing it with the default '>'. formail generally creates sane "To:", "Subject:", "In-Reply-To:", and "References:" headers. We're overriding anything it might have decided was good for the "From:" header to something small to parse. Sendmail doesn't need much to send email. It could get away with something as simple as: shell$ echo This is a message | sendmail address@host Sendmail will add the missing headers: From, To, Date, Message-Id. From and To are special. For the "From: " field, it'll add something like "From: chewie@skuld.wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)". The "To:" field will become "To: undisclosed-recipients;". So, that's quite a few extra characters we really don't need. We therefore use formail to give us sane values. We could use "echo" instead, if you like: PADDR=XXXXXXXXXX@smsgateway :0 fhw | ( echo "To: $PADDR" ; \ echo "From: chewie@wookimus.net" ) :0 afbw | head -c 150 | $HOME/bin/sms-bodycrunch :0 a ! $PADDR :0 e pager-fail where sms-bodycrunch is a sed script: #!/bin/sed -f s/[:punct:]//g s/[Tt]he //g s/[Mm]essage/msg/g s/[Ss]erver/svr/g s/[Aa]\( \)?//g s/[Aa]nd/+/g s/[Tt]herefore/thr4/g s/[Cc]haracter/char/g s/[Aa]ttention/ATTN/g s/[Aa]ddress/addr/g s/ing/g/g s/tion/tn/g s/ish/sh/g s/ould/ld/g # crunch space s/[:space:]{2,}/ /g # Email signature text, quit /^--\( \)?$/ q # EOSCRIPT We may not actually need any headers, assuming, of course, that the SMS gateway you're using will accept messages without headers. To test, find the MX record for the SMS gateway and use telnet to debug. *[12:58:25] chewie@skuld (577)$ telnet mailx03.tmomail.net 25 Trying 63.122.5.248... Connected to 63.122.5.248. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mail2.microsoft.com MailShield SMTP (UCE NOT WANTED) EHLO wookimus.net 250-Hello wookimus.net [66.41.19.116], pleased to meet you 250 SIZE 8192000 RCPT TO XXXXXXXXXX@tmomail.net 500 Command unrecognized RCPT TO: XXXXXXXXXX@tmomail.net 250 < XXXXXXXXXX@tmomail.net>... Recipient ok MAIL FROM: chewie@wookimus.net 250 < chewie@wookimus.net>... Sender ok DATA 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself This is a test message. -- CCW . 250 Message received (relayed by MailShield) QUIT 221 mail2.microsoft.com closing connection Connection closed by foreign host. I haven't received my SMS messages yet, since my office doesn't get very good reception for messages. When I get home, I'll be bombarded with them, though. ;-) Regardless, email messages are currently the easiest email->sms we have. Minimize the character content being sent, and you should be doing just fine. > Are these commented out because the formail line above already removed > all headers but "From"? If I wanted to keep both From and Subject > could I do... No, as I mentioned above, I left them comment out because I wasn't confident that your SMS email-gateway allowed sparse headers. > instead of the formail statement above? Is there an easier/better way > to do that with formail? Maybe. If you build your own headers and then construct a sed script or perl script to handle the stripping of content, you could do without formail. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As 'root': # mkdir /home/share # chgrp users /home/share # chmod g+rwxs /home/share Now files and directories created in the shell environment will 'do the right thing', but GUI shells might need tweaking, and access via Samba or Netatalk will need more configuration ("force create mode" and "force directory mode"). >>> peter-clark@bethel.edu 09/10/03 11:53AM >>> Is there a way to specify that all files created in a certain directory should belong to a certain group and be writable by that group? I'd like to share (locally) a directory with my wife and have everything in that directory modifiable by either of us automatically, without having to chown and chmod new files every time. Both of us belong to group 'users', so all I really need to know is how to specify that all new files in the directory must belong to group 'users' and have g+rw access. Thanks, :Peter _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 14:27:13 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <20030910181621.GA2827@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20030910192713.15353.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> 40 Gigs, it's possible right? minus about say 4 gigs for windoze. --- "John J. Trammell" wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 11:04:56AM -0700, Joel Dick wrote: > > That's two stong votes for SuSE, and two stong votes for Slackware. > > > > Oh the choices... > > > > Good to know I'll have people there to help out though :) > > > > Of course if your HD is big enough, you can install > as many different distros as you have time for. > > -- > trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA > 36F5 > Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Wed Sep 10 14:29:36 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36DF@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> 40GB....room for about 20 distros or more...depending on how many apps you want on each one.... Dan Lansing ITSC -----Original Message----- From: Joel Dick [mailto:joel_cd@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:27 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding 40 Gigs, it's possible right? minus about say 4 gigs for windoze. --- "John J. Trammell" wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 11:04:56AM -0700, Joel Dick wrote: > > That's two stong votes for SuSE, and two stong votes for Slackware. > > > > Oh the choices... > > > > Good to know I'll have people there to help out though :) > > > > Of course if your HD is big enough, you can install > as many different distros as you have time for. > > -- > trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA > 36F5 > Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Wed Sep 10 14:36:47 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <20030910192713.15353.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com>; from joel_cd@yahoo.com on Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 12:27:13PM -0700 References: <20030910181621.GA2827@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030910192713.15353.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030910143647.C31982@thinkunix.net> Joel Dick wrote: > 40 Gigs, it's possible right? > minus about say 4 gigs for windoze. of course! this is Linux we're talking about, anything is possible! :) seriously, most Linux installs are around 2-4 GB range _if_ you install everything that comes with that distro. You should have plenty of room for several installs. You might want to do a little research on the what distros are out there and see what peeks your interest so you have an idea of what by Saturday. this might be a good place to start, you can read up about the major distros out there: http://www.distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Sep 10 14:36:03 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HyperTerminal Replacement In-Reply-To: <20030910132906.A31982@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Jima wrote: > > Hint: `screen /dev/ttyS0 38400` > > what's the trick to getting out of it? I've tried: I'll overlook that you asked this an hour and 45 minutes after I answered it... C-a K Capital K. I imagine someone (screen maintainers, packagers, whatever) disabled 'C-a k' to minimize people killing their windows accidentally. The man page is mistaken, but 'C-a ?' gives the correct key. Lesson? Maintain your documentation. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 14:37:36 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36DF@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030910193736.43656.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Well, looks like my choice just became null then. Assuming I have time to do a SuSE and a slackware install, I'm guestimating an hour or two a piece, might work. BTW, anyone know if they're doing the pizza thing? sounds like I might be there for a while. --- "Lansing, Dan" wrote: > 40GB....room for about 20 distros or more...depending on how many apps > you want on each one.... > > Dan Lansing > ITSC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Dick [mailto:joel_cd@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:27 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding > > > 40 Gigs, it's possible right? > > minus about say 4 gigs for windoze. > > --- "John J. Trammell" wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 11:04:56AM -0700, Joel Dick wrote: > > > That's two stong votes for SuSE, and two stong votes for Slackware. > > > > > > Oh the choices... > > > > > > Good to know I'll have people there to help out though :) > > > > > > > Of course if your HD is big enough, you can install > > as many different distros as you have time for. > > > > -- > > trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA > > 36F5 > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Wed Sep 10 14:52:51 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (amy@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RADIUS servers Message-ID: <20030910195250.GY3264@real-time.com> What does everyone use for RADIUS servers these days? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Wed Sep 10 15:00:41 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RADIUS servers In-Reply-To: <20030910195250.GY3264@real-time.com> References: <20030910195250.GY3264@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F5F82E9.5080106@andersonfam.org> amy@real-time.com wrote: > What does everyone use for RADIUS servers these days? I'm using GNU Radius on several servers, and it's working great: http://www.gnu.org/software/radius/ -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Wed Sep 10 15:05:26 2003 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RADIUS servers In-Reply-To: <20030910195250.GY3264@real-time.com> References: <20030910195250.GY3264@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F5F8406.3010408@igi.com> I like XT Radius because you can write your own authentication plugins in whatever language you want. Shell, perl, C, python, whatever. Very flexible. amy@real-time.com wrote: >What does everyone use for RADIUS servers these days? > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Wed Sep 10 15:04:20 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] procmail to text message cell phone? References: <20030910170002.16337.22794.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <20030910163357.GN1431@ry4an.org> Message-ID: <3F5F83C4.60C4578B@ppdonline.com> For some reason I keep getting the original message back truncated at 160 characters (no "squeezing" to be seen). I'm doing the following in procmail... :0fw: * < 51200 | /path/to/email2sms :0 ! @mobile.att.net Have I made a mistake somewhere? I've tested email2sms from the shell with the following... cat InFile | email2sms > tmpfile and the text gets "squeezed" as I'd expect but for some reason procmail isn't getting a "squeezed version back. Any ideas? Thanks, Ben. Ry4an Brase wrote: > > To deal with the SMS size limit I use this recipe: > > :0c > * ^TO.*ry4an-phone > | /usr/local/bin/email2sms | mail 6125557352@voicestream.net > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 10 15:56:47 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HyperTerminal Replacement In-Reply-To: <20030910132906.A31982@thinkunix.net> References: <20030910130546.GA26338@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030910132906.A31982@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Scot Jenkins wrote: > C-a k # kill - doesn't kill the /dev/ttyS0 session > C-a C-k did you try a capital k by any change :) Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Wed Sep 10 14:51:20 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030910145120.1494a061.william.layer@comcast.net> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:07:37 -0500 "Bruce Broecker" wrote: > I also recommend SuSE I sincerely hope it's better than the last time I played with it.. I was a n00b then, and by comparison, Slackware was a walk in the park. L _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Wed Sep 10 16:16:04 2003 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) BSD/OS Inevitability In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 08:05:20AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030910161604.V24784@real-time.com> On 09/10 08:05 , Adam Maloney wrote: > So what does everyone think? I think this is the funniest thing I've seen all day. :) you put User Friendly to shame on some days, Adam. :) Carl. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 10 16:27:50 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RADIUS servers In-Reply-To: <3F5F82E9.5080106@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: We use GNU primarily, and FreeRadius elsewhere. Both work great, and quite a nice breath of fresh air from Livingston :) On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Erik Anderson wrote: > amy@real-time.com wrote: > > What does everyone use for RADIUS servers these days? > > I'm using GNU Radius on several servers, and it's working great: > > http://www.gnu.org/software/radius/ > > -Erik > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Wed Sep 10 16:39:47 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (amy@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RADIUS servers In-Reply-To: References: <3F5F82E9.5080106@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <20030910213946.GC3264@real-time.com> On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 04:27:50PM -0500, Adam Maloney (adamm@sihope.com) wrote: > We use GNU primarily, and FreeRadius elsewhere. Both work great, and > quite a nice breath of fresh air from Livingston :) Is FreeRadius ready for production? According to the website it's beta. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Sep 10 16:46:17 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <20030910192713.15353.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030910181621.GA2827@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030910192713.15353.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030910214617.GA8305@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 12:27:13PM -0700, Joel Dick wrote: > 40 Gigs, it's possible right? > Very much so. You'll have no problem fitting all the major distros on that, even if you go hog-wild on installing apps. You could try to save space by having your distros share a /home partition. Athough then you'd have to worry about different app versions stomping all over any shared config files... I can't see any problem with sharing swap beteen distros though. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From devel_support at crlc.net Wed Sep 10 16:52:16 2003 From: devel_support at crlc.net (Carl Lindgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux 802.11g Authentication Server Message-ID: <00a701c377e5$cd4393c0$0325a8c0@crlc.net> Does anyone know if there is a Linux/*nx 802.11g Authentication Server solution yet? Carl _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Sep 10 16:54:06 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: <1063139005.1136.316.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: Unlikely it's an Orinoco by Proxim. Most likely it's made by Lucent who originated Orinoco then sold it off. My Dell 1150 from the current product series has Lucent markings on the product ID tag: does yours? I think Lucent (ie, Agere now) still makes the chips for Orinoco, but Proxim's firmware is no longer compatible. I'd say Orinoco is now something to avoid because of firmware compatibility risks. Chuck > > > > Thanks, I just ordered a Dell Truemobile 1150. :-D > > I just received this new card and the difference is amazing! Useing my > old SMC 2435w Card I cannot use my wireless network in the next room. > Using the New card, Dell Truemobile 1150 (repackaged Orinoks Gold Card) > I can use the wireless network anywhere in my house and even down the > street!. And that is without using an external antenna > > Lesson Learned: The 802.11x card makes a HUGE difference in the > usability of your network. > > -- > Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Sep 10 16:52:29 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner Smarthost? In-Reply-To: <61066.65.116.187.219.1063216565.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> References: <20030910115655.00004434.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> <61066.65.116.187.219.1063216565.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: <20030910165229.00007c73.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:56:05 -0500 (CDT) "Jim Streit" wrote: > I'm doing the same thing, but I'm using sendmail. I found that some sites > were blocking the address ranges of Road Runner users, but I haven't seen > anyone blocking Road Runners mail servers. RR allows me to relay off them > because the message is coming from one of their ip's (just like a user > sending mail with Outlook Express) > > I had to create a couple of entries in my /etc/mail/mailertable like the > following: > aol.com smtp:smtp-server.mn.rr.com > netscape.net smtp:smtp-server.mn.rr.com > mn.rr.com smtp:smtp-server.mn.rr.com > > Basically what this is telling sendmail is that for aol.com addresses > forward those messages to smtp-server.mn.rr.com using smtp. The Road > Runner server then forwards the mail onto the approriate location. > > Hope this helps Definately, I think the qmail equivalent is pretty similar. I'll try it tomorrow and see if it hoses everything up. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Wed Sep 10 16:41:18 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] uuencoded files Message-ID: <200309101641.18022@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Anyone have a nice procmail receipe for converting uuencoded files into "real" attachements? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 10 17:08:49 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux 802.11g Authentication Server In-Reply-To: <00a701c377e5$cd4393c0$0325a8c0@crlc.net> References: <00a701c377e5$cd4393c0$0325a8c0@crlc.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Carl Lindgren wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a Linux/*nx 802.11g Authentication Server > solution yet? i am thinking that something like nocatauth should work, http://nocat.net/ Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Wed Sep 10 17:11:12 2003 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RADIUS servers In-Reply-To: <20030910213946.GC3264@real-time.com> References: <3F5F82E9.5080106@andersonfam.org> <20030910213946.GC3264@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200309101711.12774.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Wednesday 10 September 2003 4:39 pm, amy@real-time.com wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 04:27:50PM -0500, Adam Maloney (adamm@sihope.com) wrote: > > We use GNU primarily, and FreeRadius elsewhere. Both work great, and > > quite a nice breath of fresh air from Livingston :) > > Is FreeRadius ready for production? According to the website it's beta. We have been running FreeRadius for the last 2 years without issue. We have it authing against a MySQL database and everything. -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From devel_support at crlc.net Wed Sep 10 17:58:03 2003 From: devel_support at crlc.net (Carl Lindgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Commerce Installation Message-ID: <00ce01c377ee$fe227a20$0325a8c0@crlc.net> I'm trying to install OS Commerce php webpages and configure the db but I'm running into problems... 1) Database is inside the firewall and the website is outside the firewall 2) Database (MySQL) is setup on a nonstandard port 3) Installs fine until after it tests the db and rerturns this error: The configuration files do not exist, or permission levels are not set. Please perform the following actions: cd /webstore/oscommerce-2.2ms2/catalog/includes/ touch configure.php chmod 706 configure.php cd /webstore/oscommerce-2.2ms2/catalog/admin/includes/ touch configure.php chmod 706 configure.php I do this and it doesn't work even with 777 Can anyone give me an idea on what will fix this... Carl _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Wed Sep 10 18:34:29 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1063236868.28636.22.camel@lotsa> You are correct. The ebay add said Orinoco but the product label says "Agere systems" next to the Dell logo. There is not mention of Lucent. It's made in Taiwan Also on the label are logos for this company: http://www.anatel.gov.br/home/default.asp which looks like the Brazilian "National Agency of Telecommunications" and a logo for "MIC" which I couldn't find any info about. Whatever it is it's 1000% better than my old card. - Tom On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 16:54, Chuck Cole wrote: > Unlikely it's an Orinoco by Proxim. Most likely it's made by Lucent who > originated Orinoco then sold it off. My Dell 1150 from the current product > series has Lucent markings on the product ID tag: does yours? I think > Lucent (ie, Agere now) still makes the chips for Orinoco, but Proxim's > firmware is no longer compatible. I'd say Orinoco is now something to avoid > because of firmware compatibility risks. > > Chuck > > > > > > > > Thanks, I just ordered a Dell Truemobile 1150. :-D > > > > I just received this new card and the difference is amazing! Useing my > > old SMC 2435w Card I cannot use my wireless network in the next room. > > Using the New card, Dell Truemobile 1150 (repackaged Orinoks Gold Card) > > I can use the wireless network anywhere in my house and even down the > > street!. And that is without using an external antenna > > > > Lesson Learned: The 802.11x card makes a HUGE difference in the > > usability of your network. > > > > -- > > Tom Penney > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Sep 10 19:36:08 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: <1063236868.28636.22.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: Your card is one of the best and newest... newer than mine. Lucent (originally AT&T & Bell Labs) spun off its microelectronics divisions as Agere Systems a few years ago. Same people, same circuits as the original Orinoco, but no longer the same since Lucent spun off that product line to Proxim. Proxim does not fab their circuits, so the chips are probably still made by Agere, but Proxim has changed the firmware so it detects brand and is not compatible with "not Proxim". Dell & older Lucent code seems to work fine on my card. My card installs as if it is an Orinoco Gold, probably because that level of interface for the outside world has probably remained the same since Lucent began the Orinoco stuff. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tom Penney > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:34 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. > > > You are correct. The ebay add said Orinoco but the product label says > "Agere systems" next to the Dell logo. There is not mention of Lucent. > > It's made in Taiwan > > Also on the label are logos for this company: > http://www.anatel.gov.br/home/default.asp > which looks like the Brazilian "National Agency of Telecommunications" > > and a logo for "MIC" which I couldn't find any info about. > > Whatever it is it's 1000% better than my old card. > > - Tom > > On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 16:54, Chuck Cole wrote: > > Unlikely it's an Orinoco by Proxim. Most likely it's made by Lucent who > > originated Orinoco then sold it off. My Dell 1150 from the > current product > > series has Lucent markings on the product ID tag: does yours? I think > > Lucent (ie, Agere now) still makes the chips for Orinoco, but Proxim's > > firmware is no longer compatible. I'd say Orinoco is now > something to avoid > > because of firmware compatibility risks. > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, I just ordered a Dell Truemobile 1150. :-D > > > > > > I just received this new card and the difference is amazing! Useing my > > > old SMC 2435w Card I cannot use my wireless network in the next room. > > > Using the New card, Dell Truemobile 1150 (repackaged Orinoks > Gold Card) > > > I can use the wireless network anywhere in my house and even down the > > > street!. And that is without using an external antenna > > > > > > Lesson Learned: The 802.11x card makes a HUGE difference in the > > > usability of your network. > > > > > > -- > > > Tom Penney > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 10 20:34:52 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RADIUS servers In-Reply-To: <20030910213946.GC3264@real-time.com> Message-ID: The first version we tried would die every few days - but now we're running 0.9-pre and it's been solid. We're *only* doing LEAP for a couple of clients with this, so I can't say much. It does seem to have a lot more features than GNU - but GNU is rock-solid. We're authenticating 1000's of users, news, and a handful of other stuff against it and it's completely stable. If you don't need any of the blinkity FreeRadius features then GNU is probably the best way to go. I think the only reason we switched from Livingston was for VSA support with our USR gear - otherwise that was solid, albeit crusty. We ended up running a copy that had more than a few /* Adam's changes here */ comments :) On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 amy@real-time.com wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 04:27:50PM -0500, Adam Maloney (adamm@sihope.com) wrote: > > We use GNU primarily, and FreeRadius elsewhere. Both work great, and > > quite a nice breath of fresh air from Livingston :) > > Is FreeRadius ready for production? According to the website it's beta. > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Sep 10 21:34:55 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner Smarthost? References: <20030910115655.00004434.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <003c01c3780d$493f2990$0201a8c0@brinstar> Josh Trutwin writes: > As usual, the qmail documentaion is somewhat > cryptic (to me anyway). Does this imply finding out from Road Runner > what their smarthost SMTP server is and putting that in smtproutes? > Or can I somehow tell qmail that my box is the smarthost? The qmail man pages document all the programs. Start with qmail(7) and work your way down from there. qmail-control(5) documents all the control files and tells you which program uses which ones. For example, smtproutes is used by qmail-remote, obviously, as qmail-remote is what sends messages to remote systems. So read qmail-remote(8) to learn more about smtproutes. Add this to /var/qmail/control/smtproutes: aol.com:smtp-server.mn.rr.com netscape.net:smtp-server.mn.rr.com rr.com:smtp-server.mn.rr.com I used to use RR (before I moved to St. Paul and got stuck with Comcast) and those worked for me. There is lots of documentation included in /var/qmail/doc. The PIC.* files give a nice overview of how the different programs work together. You might also fine "Life with qmail" useful. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Sep 10 21:46:55 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding References: <20030910181621.GA2827@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030910192713.15353.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> <20030910143647.C31982@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <00b501c3780e$f64750d0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Scot Jenkins writes: > seriously, most Linux installs are around 2-4 GB range _if_ you > install everything that comes with that distro. That's a joke, right? /usr on my Debian box is taking up 2.5 GB, and I have about 1400 packages installed. There are over 13100 available packages. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Wed Sep 10 22:26:34 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1063250794.28636.24.camel@lotsa> Thanks for the information! Very interesting. On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 19:36, Chuck Cole wrote: > Your card is one of the best and newest... newer than mine. Lucent > (originally AT&T & Bell Labs) spun off its microelectronics divisions as > Agere Systems a few years ago. Same people, same circuits as the original > Orinoco, but no longer the same since Lucent spun off that product line to > Proxim. Proxim does not fab their circuits, so the chips are probably still > made by Agere, but Proxim has changed the firmware so it detects brand and > is not compatible with "not Proxim". Dell & older Lucent code seems to work > fine on my card. My card installs as if it is an Orinoco Gold, probably > because that level of interface for the outside world has probably remained > the same since Lucent began the Orinoco stuff. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tom Penney > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:34 PM > > To: TCLUG > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. > > > > > > You are correct. The ebay add said Orinoco but the product label says > > "Agere systems" next to the Dell logo. There is not mention of Lucent. > > > > It's made in Taiwan > > > > Also on the label are logos for this company: > > http://www.anatel.gov.br/home/default.asp > > which looks like the Brazilian "National Agency of Telecommunications" > > > > and a logo for "MIC" which I couldn't find any info about. > > > > Whatever it is it's 1000% better than my old card. > > > > - Tom > > > > On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 16:54, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > Unlikely it's an Orinoco by Proxim. Most likely it's made by Lucent who > > > originated Orinoco then sold it off. My Dell 1150 from the > > current product > > > series has Lucent markings on the product ID tag: does yours? I think > > > Lucent (ie, Agere now) still makes the chips for Orinoco, but Proxim's > > > firmware is no longer compatible. I'd say Orinoco is now > > something to avoid > > > because of firmware compatibility risks. > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, I just ordered a Dell Truemobile 1150. :-D > > > > > > > > I just received this new card and the difference is amazing! Useing my > > > > old SMC 2435w Card I cannot use my wireless network in the next room. > > > > Using the New card, Dell Truemobile 1150 (repackaged Orinoks > > Gold Card) > > > > I can use the wireless network anywhere in my house and even down the > > > > street!. And that is without using an external antenna > > > > > > > > Lesson Learned: The 802.11x card makes a HUGE difference in the > > > > usability of your network. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Tom Penney > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Wed Sep 10 22:59:08 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <00b501c3780e$f64750d0$0201a8c0@brinstar>; from david@acz.org on Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 09:46:55PM -0500 References: <20030910181621.GA2827@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030910192713.15353.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> <20030910143647.C31982@thinkunix.net> <00b501c3780e$f64750d0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030910225908.A30265@thinkunix.net> David Phillips wrote: > Scot Jenkins writes: > > seriously, most Linux installs are around 2-4 GB range _if_ you > > install everything that comes with that distro. > > That's a joke, right? /usr on my Debian box is taking up 2.5 GB, and I have > about 1400 packages installed. There are over 13100 available packages. uh, no. It all depends on what distro and how much crap you want installed. I know slackware 9.0 said if you installed everything it was close to 2GB. RH generally requires more disk space if you do a full install because there are more packages in RH then Slack. Debian seems to have still more packages, and their documentation even says it doesn't make sense to install everything because some packages conflict with others. I'm guessing Mandrake and SUSE are probably similar to RH. My guestimate of required disk assumed folks were doing a near "full workstation" class install. FWIW, on my Debian laptop (used as a workstation): # du -sh /usr 818M /usr # less the 5 header lines at the top dpkg -l |wc -l 529 I have mozilla and openoffice and use xfce for a lean window manager. My policy is "just say no" to KDE, Gnome and other bloated windowing environments, but that's just what I like. If one choses to install KDE and/or Gnome, one will need lots more disk. I also have a stripped down Slackware 9.0 install that fits on a 540MB hard disk with plenty of room to spare. So it really depends on what one chooses to install and what purpose one has in mind for the machine. Every install is different. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Sep 10 23:13:52 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner Smarthost? In-Reply-To: <003c01c3780d$493f2990$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20030910115655.00004434.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> <003c01c3780d$493f2990$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030910231352.00007606.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> > The qmail man pages document all the programs. Start with qmail(7) and work > your way down from there. qmail-control(5) documents all the control files > and tells you which program uses which ones. For example, smtproutes is > used by qmail-remote, obviously, as qmail-remote is what sends messages to > remote systems. So read qmail-remote(8) to learn more about smtproutes. Yeah I had man qmail-remote going, I guess the concept was giving me more trouble than the actuall documentation. > Add this to /var/qmail/control/smtproutes: > > aol.com:smtp-server.mn.rr.com > netscape.net:smtp-server.mn.rr.com > rr.com:smtp-server.mn.rr.com Thanks for the tip. So far it seems to have done the trick. > I used to use RR (before I moved to St. Paul and got stuck with Comcast) and > those worked for me. > > There is lots of documentation included in /var/qmail/doc. The PIC.* files > give a nice overview of how the different programs work together. You might > also fine "Life with qmail" useful. Actually, I have LWQ author David Sill's book: The qmail handbook. It covered smtproutes as well, but the situation was somewhat different. Anyway, thanks for the help, Josh P.S. Is my MUA's (Sylpheed-Claws) quoting screwed up? It looks funny to me... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Wed Sep 10 23:54:13 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] procmail to text message cell phone? References: <20030910225901.15667.28569.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <20030910222821.GY1431@ry4an.org> Message-ID: <3F5FFFF5.24F7259F@ppdonline.com> Ry4an Brase wrote: > If the message is short enough that it doesn't need squeezing it would > be unmodified by that script, could that be it? Perhaps there are some > setting that need twiddling in the ~/.email2smsrc file? I've attached > mine. If that doesn't do it then enable the log file in the > ~/.email2smsrc and check ~/.email2sms.log after the run to see if there > are any messages. I have definitely sent messages that are too long so that's not the issue. I went to check the log file and it's not being generated so I'm starting to wonder if email2sms is ever being invoked (I have the logfile turned on in my .email2smsrc). I've simplified my procmail script about as much as possible (to eliminate other potential hickups), it now looks like the following... # check to see if file is over 250k :0fw: spamassassin.lock * < 256000 | spamassassin # Mails with a spam score of 4 or more are dumped :0: * ^X-Spam-Level: \*\*\*\* /dev/null # Other email is accepted and sent to me :0 E { :0c ! myuserid@myserver.com :0fw: | /path/to/email2sms :0 ! myphonenumber@mobile.att.net } ...Does anyone see a reason why this might fail? I'm really starting to think that email2sms is never run (judging by the lack of a logfile), is there some reason that procmail would skip that action? Both the action immediately before and after it work fine (I receive mail at both my POP box and cell phone) so I'm at a loss as to why it would skip the recipe in the middle. Thanks again, Ben. PS I just had another idea. Maybe email2sms is not looking in the correct location for the rc file, when I run the program from command line it works great but at that point the program would run "as me" so it would grab the rc file from my home directory. Sendmail may be running as root (or some other userid) and thus it (and procmail, spamassassin, and email2sms) may not be looking in my home dir for .email2smsrc. Is there a switch I can use with email2sms to pass it an rc file? Is there some other way to insure that it gets the rc file correctly? Thanks again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Sep 11 01:23:48 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <20030909195603.13474.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABE@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <20030909195603.13474.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030911012348.06b9d1d1.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Joel Dick wrote: > I've heard about slackware, hadn't really thought of installing that > one, figured it would be good to have someone walk me through it, but > considering that's why there's installfests, why not? Now to find > someone there that'll be willing to help me out. > Sadly, this is one installfest I'm going to have to miss. Otherwise, I'd be happy to help you out with Slack. It's my preferred distro. I'll still help out if you go that route, as I gave Jima my cd's to put on the installfest machine. =) I really was hoping to go to this installfest, as I can't get any distro of Linux to work on my desktop. So I'm stuck in a winders environment until I can get it resolved. Unfortunately, between teaching on Saturday morning and then having to go up to Siren, WI for a wedding early afternoon it doesn't leave time for me to make it. =( -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From np at f-matic.net Thu Sep 11 03:14:00 2003 From: np at f-matic.net (nick phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest Distro, need help deciding Message-ID: <1063268040.11202.13.camel@debian> Seeing as no one else has mentioned it, can I put in a vote for Debian? Sure, it's a bitch to get everything up and running, and you'll be pulling your hair out before you've got your soundcard to actually play an mp3, but by the end of it you'll have had a pretty decent introduction to the thing that makes linux so much fun... ..that is, editing config files, of course! OK, I'm (kinda) joking, but I do think it's worth putting a debian install on there if you have space. I've learned a whole hell of lot from using it, and I've know got it running on a Athlon box and a couple of old-ish powerbooks, and it works great. Apt-get and dselect are works of genius (though now available for other distros too, of course) -- and if you want shiny new KDE 3 / Gnome 2 desktops etc., then debian-unstable is a fun place to fool around, and surprisingly un-unstable too. Unfortunately I won't be able to make the installfest, but I'm sure Debian CDs wouldn't be too hard to find on this listserve if you were interested. best, Nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 03:20:44 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <1063268040.11202.13.camel@debian> Message-ID: <20030911082044.94319.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Suddenly, 5 or six hours for an installfest doesn't seem like much time. I'm not sure if I'd get around to a debian install or not, probably just stick to one or two and then get a couple questions answered if I could. One other thought comes to mind, how well is a linksys LNETX ver 4 ethernet card supported in slackware and SuSE, I tried their hardware databases, but didn't seem to find it. I know that doesn't amount to too much, just wondering. I also have an old AIMs lab TV tuner/video card on this box, I had noticed in some old distros that it was at least partially supported. Good thing as it hasn't worked in windoze since directX version 5, and I hated the idea of just throwing a perfectly good video/TV card out. --- nick phillips wrote: > Seeing as no one else has mentioned it, can I put in a vote for Debian? > Sure, it's a bitch to get everything up and running, and you'll be > pulling your hair out before you've got your soundcard to actually play > an mp3, but by the end of it you'll have had a pretty decent > introduction to the thing that makes linux so much fun... > > ..that is, editing config files, of course! > > OK, I'm (kinda) joking, but I do think it's worth putting a debian > install on there if you have space. I've learned a whole hell of lot > from using it, and I've know got it running on a Athlon box and a couple > of old-ish powerbooks, and it works great. Apt-get and dselect are works > of genius (though now available for other distros too, of course) -- and > if you want shiny new KDE 3 / Gnome 2 desktops etc., then > debian-unstable is a fun place to fool around, and surprisingly > un-unstable too. > > Unfortunately I won't be able to make the installfest, but I'm sure > Debian CDs wouldn't be too hard to find on this listserve if you were > interested. > > best, > Nick > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Sep 11 08:08:11 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <20030911012348.06b9d1d1.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Shawn wrote: > Sadly, this is one installfest I'm going to have to miss. Ditto, actually. > Otherwise, I'd be happy to help you out with Slack. It's my preferred > distro. I'll still help out if you go that route, as I gave Jima my > cd's to put on the installfest machine. =) Unfortunately, I'm not managing the fileserver for this installfest, so I'm not sure what things will look like. (I wouldn't doubt another Slackware enthusiast will bring media.) > I really was hoping to go to this installfest, as I can't get any distro > of Linux to work on my desktop. So I'm stuck in a winders environment > until I can get it resolved. Egads. My condolances. > Unfortunately, between teaching on Saturday morning and then having to > go up to Siren, WI for a wedding early afternoon it doesn't leave time > for me to make it. =( I know the feeling. :( Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Sep 11 08:33:03 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] procmail to text message cell phone? In-Reply-To: <3F5FFFF5.24F7259F@ppdonline.com> References: <20030910225901.15667.28569.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <20030910222821.GY1431@ry4an.org> <3F5FFFF5.24F7259F@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20030911083303.A8138@baker.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 11:54:13PM -0500, Ben Bargabus wrote: > ...Does anyone see a reason why this might fail? I'm really starting to > think that email2sms is never run (judging by the lack of a logfile), is > there some reason that procmail would skip that action? Both the action > immediately before and after it work fine (I receive mail at both my POP > box and cell phone) so I'm at a loss as to why it would skip the recipe > in the middle. I didn't really look too closely at you recipe, but I am wondering if you have been looking at your procmail log file? That is usually the key for me when I have to debug recipes. Set something like: VERBOSE=on LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log at the top of your .procmailrc. That log will tell what conditions are being matched and what programs are being run. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Sep 11 08:52:50 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <20030911082044.94319.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1063268040.11202.13.camel@debian> <20030911082044.94319.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030911085250.3ba0bd08.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Joel Dick wrote: > Suddenly, 5 or six hours for an installfest doesn't seem like much > time. > > I'm not sure if I'd get around to a debian install or not, probably > just stick to one or two and then get a couple questions answered if I > could. > > One other thought comes to mind, how well is a linksys LNETX ver 4 > ethernet card supported in slackware and SuSE, I tried their hardware > databases, but didn't seem to find it. I know that doesn't amount to > too much, just wondering. I also have an old AIMs lab TV tuner/video > card on this box, I had noticed in some old distros that it was at > least partially supported. Good thing as it hasn't worked in windoze > since directX version 5, and I hated the idea of just throwing a > perfectly good video/TV card out. > Not sure about the tuner card, but my guess is that it is supported. Can't hurt to try it. I run Linksys NIC's in all my Slackware boxes. Sorry, don't know the models right off the bat. 10/100 card. Generally, I haven't had a NIC go undetected for quite some time. I think the last one was a fried ISA no name card... Swapped the card, and wallah! -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Sep 11 09:44:41 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] procmail to text message cell phone? In-Reply-To: <20030910183858.GC17797@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <3F5E5425.C042AC60@ppdonline.com> <20030910150023.GB16470@skuld.wookimus.net> <3F5F543C.62C9D105@ppdonline.com> <20030910183858.GC17797@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030911144441.GA25639@skuld.wookimus.net> Slight follow-up on my last email on the subject. My sed script was a bit buggy, and I've been tweaking it since. I've got something I think is useable, though maybe not as cool as the little perl script mentioned in this thread. In experimenting with messages to T-Mobile, I've found that they now have an email scanner in place. It looks like a spam/virus filter, so having email headers is more important; the "From: " and "To: " headers are now required. No big deal, since Sendmail would add them if we didn't. If anyone is interested in the tweaked sed script, let me know. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 08:52, Shawn wrote: > On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:20:44 -0700 (PDT) > Joel Dick wrote: > > > Suddenly, 5 or six hours for an installfest doesn't seem like much > > time. > > > > I'm not sure if I'd get around to a debian install or not, probably > > just stick to one or two and then get a couple questions answered if I > > could. > > > > One other thought comes to mind, how well is a linksys LNETX ver 4 > > ethernet card supported in slackware and SuSE, I tried their hardware > > databases, but didn't seem to find it. I know that doesn't amount to > > too much, just wondering. I also have an old AIMs lab TV tuner/video > > card on this box, I had noticed in some old distros that it was at > > least partially supported. Good thing as it hasn't worked in windoze > > since directX version 5, and I hated the idea of just throwing a > > perfectly good video/TV card out. > > > > Not sure about the tuner card, but my guess is that it is supported. Can't hurt to try it. > > I run Linksys NIC's in all my Slackware boxes. Sorry, don't know the models right off the bat. 10/100 card. Generally, I haven't had a NIC go undetected for quite some time. I think the last one was a fried ISA no name card... Swapped the card, and wallah! -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tim at lparetail.com Wed Sep 10 11:51:57 2003 From: tim at lparetail.com (Tim Lano) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for some Red Hat Linux help Message-ID: <000201c37879$dc4b3c80$0300000a@lpadomain> My company (LPA Retail Systems) provides point of sale and back office accounting solutions to small to mid-sized retailers. While most of our installations are Windows, we also provide our system in LINUX. I am interested in obtaining local Red Hat LINUX assistance. I am looking for someone(s) that I can use on a subcontract basis to help my company with some LINUX installations and to also provide some LINUX skills transfer some of my technical staff. If you have an interest, please contact Tim at cell 952-221-7860 or 952-814-4800 ext. 102. You can E-Mail me also at tim@lparetail.com. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Debian zealots are not encouraged to comment. :p On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:23:48 -0500 Shawn wrote: > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:56:03 -0700 (PDT) > Joel Dick wrote: > > > I've heard about slackware, Now to find > > someone there that'll be willing to help me out. > > > Sadly, this is one installfest I'm going to have to miss. Otherwise, I'd be happy to help you out with Slack. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 11 11:40:30 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Funny Savannah story (again) Message-ID: <200309111140.30205@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> I woke up this morning feeling very rested. I looked at the "real" alarm clock and sat up with a start. It was 8am! I wondered why my "other" alarm clock hadn't went "off". So, I got out of bed and peeked under Savannah's door to see if I could little feet moving around in her bedroom. No feet! I almost sprinted to the shower. I figure I'd get to take a shower alone today, which means it would only take 10min, instead of the 30+ mins it takes when Savannah and I take a bath together. I got done with the shower, and still no "other" alarm clock. So, I dried off a little bit and went to peek under the door again. I got pretty good scare! When I was peeking under the door _another_ set of eyes where peeking back! I kind of yelped. Savannah giggled. I peeked again, she peeked again and said, "Hi! Dadda!" Savannah must peek under the door into the hallway to look for Daddy's feet! Funny little girl. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Sep 11 12:10:35 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Funny Savannah story (again) In-Reply-To: <200309111140.30205@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > Funny little girl. Oh. Too. Cute. I dunno if this was misposted, but it's a really great anecdote. :) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 11 12:58:17 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <20030911014449.54a29bab.william.layer@comcast.net> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABE@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <20030909195603.13474.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> <20030911012348.06b9d1d1.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030911014449.54a29bab.william.layer@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Bill Layer wrote: > Assuming I'm at the fest (I should be), I would be more than willing to > help you with setting up Slackware9. It's the only major distro that's > not p*ss*ng me off these days. > > Debian zealots are not encouraged to comment. :p /me comments. *grin* -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Sep 11 16:29:49 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Syquest SparQ 1 Gig Drive Message-ID: <3F60E94D.5060809@visi.com> Sniff, sniff :'( My SparQ drive is dead. I can't power on my system with the power plugged in to the Sparq drive, it turns the power off. I have to unplug the power from the drive and remove the power cord from the power supply, wait about 10 seconds and plug the power cord in to get the system to start, not good. :-( I have several disks (5) I need to get the data off of. Some of the data is important for my home network. OS's, drivers, and other stuff. Does anyone have a SparQ that will read these 1 gig disks. The ideal thing would be to burn the data to CD. If someone can get the data to CD from the Sparq disks, the Sparq disks are yours. I don't have a CD burner so I don't have CD's to burn, I don't even know how much blank CD's cost. I'll be at the install fest with my old 486 laptop to install linux on it. I'll bring my SparQ disks with me, anyone feel like rescuing some data? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben.neigebauer at compellent.com Thu Sep 11 16:28:48 2003 From: ben.neigebauer at compellent.com (Neigebauer, Ben) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Syquest SparQ 1 Gig Drive Message-ID: <146431CFD07FE94984B432636FCDF8062302F5@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> http://store.yahoo.com/justdeals/syqspar10gbi.html -----Original Message----- From: Sam MacDonald [mailto:smac@visi.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:30 PM To: TC LUG Subject: [TCLUG] Syquest SparQ 1 Gig Drive Sniff, sniff :'( My SparQ drive is dead. I can't power on my system with the power plugged in to the Sparq drive, it turns the power off. I have to unplug the power from the drive and remove the power cord from the power supply, wait about 10 seconds and plug the power cord in to get the system to start, not good. :-( I have several disks (5) I need to get the data off of. Some of the data is important for my home network. OS's, drivers, and other stuff. Does anyone have a SparQ that will read these 1 gig disks. The ideal thing would be to burn the data to CD. If someone can get the data to CD from the Sparq disks, the Sparq disks are yours. I don't have a CD burner so I don't have CD's to burn, I don't even know how much blank CD's cost. I'll be at the install fest with my old 486 laptop to install linux on it. I'll bring my SparQ disks with me, anyone feel like rescuing some data? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Thu Sep 11 16:41:45 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Syquest SparQ 1 Gig Drive Message-ID: I've got an IDE internal SparQ drive that I no longer use. Was working when I took it out of service. I've also got 10 more disks that I don't need, they go with it. I can bring it to the installfest. Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> smac@visi.com 09/11/03 04:29PM >>> Sniff, sniff :'( My SparQ drive is dead. I can't power on my system with the power plugged in to the Sparq drive, it turns the power off. I have to unplug the power from the drive and remove the power cord from the power supply, wait about 10 seconds and plug the power cord in to get the system to start, not good. :-( I have several disks (5) I need to get the data off of. Some of the data is important for my home network. OS's, drivers, and other stuff. Does anyone have a SparQ that will read these 1 gig disks. The ideal thing would be to burn the data to CD. If someone can get the data to CD from the Sparq disks, the Sparq disks are yours. I don't have a CD burner so I don't have CD's to burn, I don't even know how much blank CD's cost. I'll be at the install fest with my old 486 laptop to install linux on it. I'll bring my SparQ disks with me, anyone feel like rescuing some data? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Sep 11 17:44:58 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Syquest SparQ 1 Gig Drive In-Reply-To: <146431CFD07FE94984B432636FCDF8062302F5@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> References: <146431CFD07FE94984B432636FCDF8062302F5@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> Message-ID: <3F60FAEA.10803@visi.com> Yup, the sparq 1 gig disks are expensive. I miss counted I have 4. Neigebauer, Ben wrote: >http://store.yahoo.com/justdeals/syqspar10gbi.html > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sam MacDonald [mailto:smac@visi.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:30 PM >To: TC LUG >Subject: [TCLUG] Syquest SparQ 1 Gig Drive > >Sniff, sniff :'( My SparQ drive is dead. > >I can't power on my system with the power plugged in to the Sparq drive, > >it turns the power off. I have to unplug the power from the drive and >remove the power cord from the power supply, wait about 10 seconds and >plug the power cord in to get the system to start, not good. :-( > >I have several disks (5) I need to get the data off of. Some of the data > >is important for my home network. >OS's, drivers, and other stuff. >Does anyone have a SparQ that will read these 1 gig disks. The ideal >thing would be to burn the data to CD. If someone can get the data to >CD from the Sparq disks, the Sparq disks are yours. I don't have a CD >burner so I don't have CD's to burn, I don't even know how much blank >CD's cost. > >I'll be at the install fest with my old 486 laptop to install linux on >it. I'll bring my SparQ disks with me, anyone feel like rescuing some >data? > >Sam. > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Sep 11 19:55:28 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest Distro, need help deciding References: <1063268040.11202.13.camel@debian><20030911082044.94319.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <20030911085250.3ba0bd08.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <005801c378c8$8f3b3400$0201a8c0@brinstar> Shawn writes: > I run Linksys NIC's in all my Slackware boxes. Sorry, don't know the > models right off the bat. 10/100 card. Cheap LinkSys consumer cards used to be an issue back in the 2.2 days (2000). You could have two cards of the same model, yet they would have a completely different chipset. One would work, one wouldn't. Though I haven't had any problem with tulip chipsets lately. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Sep 11 19:57:13 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest Distro, need help deciding References: <1063268040.11202.13.camel@debian> Message-ID: <006301c378c8$cdf36aa0$0201a8c0@brinstar> nick phillips writes: > Seeing as no one else has mentioned it, can I put in a vote for > Debian? Sure, it's a bitch to get everything up and running, and > you'll be pulling your hair out before you've got your soundcard to > actually play an mp3, but by the end of it you'll have had a pretty > decent introduction to the thing that makes linux so much fun... Debian does take a while to setup. But you only need to do it once. You can keep the same install for years and always have an up to date system. Debian is by far the easiest Linux distro to maintain. I don't know of any other OS that is easier. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Thu Sep 11 23:22:38 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Diagnosing a sound problem Message-ID: <200309112322.38301.wilson@visi.com> Hey everyone, For some reason the sound on my SuSE 8.2 box has stopped working. Everything is plugged in properly. I checked the connections on the speakers and the fuse in the subwoofer. Neither the KDE control panel or Yast2 report any problems. The system beep still works. The sound card is a fairly old Creative Live! card the uses the emu10k1 kernel module which is loaded according to the lsmod output. When I play an MP3 using XMMS I see the bars of the spectrum analyzer rising and falling. The light on the satellite speakers goes on which usually indicates that they've turned on. I'm stumped. Any ideas? -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Thu Sep 11 23:46:04 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Diagnosing a sound problem In-Reply-To: <200309112322.38301.wilson@visi.com> References: <200309112322.38301.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <200309112346.04853.jack@jacku.com> On Thursday 11 September 2003 11:22 pm, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > For some reason the sound on my SuSE 8.2 box has stopped working. > Everything is plugged in properly. I checked the connections on the > speakers and the fuse in the subwoofer. Neither the KDE control panel or > Yast2 report any problems. The system beep still works. The sound card is a > fairly old Creative Live! card the uses the emu10k1 kernel module which is > loaded according to the lsmod output. > > When I play an MP3 using XMMS I see the bars of the spectrum analyzer > rising and falling. The light on the satellite speakers goes on which > usually indicates that they've turned on. > > I'm stumped. Any ideas? > > -Tim Check volume levels with Kmix. I have noticed that if you happen to have the audio muted when you shutdown the system it comes back with the volume all the way down. Also setup the Kmix panel control to make it easier to adjust this if it happens again. Not certain this is the situation but it has happened to me. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Sep 11 23:55:10 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Diagnosing a sound problem In-Reply-To: <200309112322.38301.wilson@visi.com> References: <200309112322.38301.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F6151AE.7060701@visi.com> Have you added anything to the machine of late? Changed a bios setting, installed software, etc...? Have you shutdown the machine lately? Sam. Tim Wilson wrote: >Hey everyone, > >For some reason the sound on my SuSE 8.2 box has stopped working. Everything >is plugged in properly. I checked the connections on the speakers and the >fuse in the subwoofer. Neither the KDE control panel or Yast2 report any >problems. The system beep still works. The sound card is a fairly old >Creative Live! card the uses the emu10k1 kernel module which is loaded >according to the lsmod output. > >When I play an MP3 using XMMS I see the bars of the spectrum analyzer rising >and falling. The light on the satellite speakers goes on which usually >indicates that they've turned on. > >I'm stumped. Any ideas? > >-Tim > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Sep 12 00:51:45 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory In-Reply-To: <20030910173927.GA1492@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <200309101153.24601.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <20030910173927.GA1492@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20030912005145.66a1f55d.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:39:27 -0500 "John J. Trammell" wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 11:53:24AM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > > Is there a way to specify that all files created in a certain > > directory should belong to a certain group and be writable by that > > group? > > You could: > - turn on the setgid bit for that directory (chmod g+s mydir) > - play around with umask (I think a value of 022 is right) > > 'info chmod' and 'info setgid' for details. Maybe google > for "chmod setgid directory linux". > Maybe I'm missing something here, but if the directory is owned by one of you, and has the group ownership of "users", then it shouldn't matter if it's only the two of you I would think. Both of you are in the users group, and thus should be able to write within that directory. Unless you have a cron job, other processes, or other users on the system with different groups. But, from my initial read on this you can get by just setting it to 775 on the directory after you've given it the correct ownerships for user and group: #chown username:groupname /directory #chmod 775 /directory Correct me if I'm off on it... Been a long day, and trying to catch up on e-mail doesn't help.... -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Sep 12 02:22:54 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <006301c378c8$cdf36aa0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <1063268040.11202.13.camel@debian> <006301c378c8$cdf36aa0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030912072254.GA6240@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 07:57:13PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Debian does take a while to setup. But you only need to do it once. You > can keep the same install for years and always have an up to date system. > Debian is by far the easiest Linux distro to maintain. I don't know of any > other OS that is easier. Based on what? apt has been ported to RPM based systems, which makes redhat just as easy to keep up-to-date, and upgrading between releases is the same (apt-get dist-upgrade) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Fri Sep 12 05:14:25 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Diagnosing a sound problem In-Reply-To: <200309112322.38301.wilson@visi.com> References: <200309112322.38301.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F619C81.4040407@lorenburlingame.com> Tim Wilson wrote: >Hey everyone, > >For some reason the sound on my SuSE 8.2 box has stopped working. Everything >is plugged in properly. I checked the connections on the speakers and the >fuse in the subwoofer. Neither the KDE control panel or Yast2 report any >problems. The system beep still works. The sound card is a fairly old >Creative Live! card the uses the emu10k1 kernel module which is loaded >according to the lsmod output. > >When I play an MP3 using XMMS I see the bars of the spectrum analyzer rising >and falling. The light on the satellite speakers goes on which usually >indicates that they've turned on. > >I'm stumped. Any ideas? > >-Tim > > > do you have the Live! Drive? if so, do you have a headphone jack plugged in? figured I would ask the dumb question cause it happened to me once, and drove me crazy for like a week before I slapped my head in pure astonishment that I could be so dense. looking for an elephant with a magnifying glass... LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Sep 12 07:53:44 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory In-Reply-To: <20030912005145.66a1f55d.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <200309101153.24601.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <20030910173927.GA1492@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030912005145.66a1f55d.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F61C1D8.8000203@druswanderings.net> Shawn wrote: > > Maybe I'm missing something here, but if the directory is owned by one of you, and has the group ownership of "users", then it shouldn't matter if it's only the two of you I would think. Both of you are in the users group, and thus should be able to write within that directory. > > Unless you have a cron job, other processes, or other users on the system with different groups. But, from my initial read on this you can get by just setting it to 775 on the directory after you've given it the correct ownerships for user and group: > > #chown username:groupname /directory > #chmod 775 /directory > > Correct me if I'm off on it... Been a long day, and trying to catch up on e-mail doesn't help.... > > This only works if your *primary* group is "users". Many distros set up your primary group as your username to keep your home folder readable only by you. In this case the group bit would have to be set on the shared folder. Otherwise anything you write to that folder will have ownership of :. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Sep 12 08:54:50 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Diagnosing a sound problem In-Reply-To: <200309112322.38301.wilson@visi.com> References: <200309112322.38301.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030912135450.GA3574@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 11:22:38PM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > When I play an MP3 using XMMS I see the bars of the spectrum analyzer rising > and falling. The light on the satellite speakers goes on which usually > indicates that they've turned on. > > I'm stumped. Any ideas? > You've gone deaf? Thanks, you're a great crowd. I'm here all week. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Sep 12 09:46:27 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory In-Reply-To: <3F61C1D8.8000203@druswanderings.net> References: <200309101153.24601.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <20030910173927.GA1492@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030912005145.66a1f55d.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F61C1D8.8000203@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20030912094627.5ca25b06.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 07:53:44 -0500 The Wandering Dru wrote: > This only works if your *primary* group is "users". Many distros set > up your primary group as your username to keep your home folder > readable only by you. In this case the group bit would have to be set > on the shared folder. Otherwise anything you write to that folder > will have ownership of :. > Ahh, I forgot about that... Stupid idiocies of those "distros".... Let's see.... -Setup of funky groups on users (username:username) -Doesn't take full path of user switching to, even though using the "su -" command -I seem to be forgetting something else.... Bloat maybe? Wow, those two alone are more than enough reasons for me to keep using Slackware. =) Oh yeah, I used the Debian load that I did at the installfest earlier this summer for some time. Was good experience, but reloaded it and went back to Slack! =) -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From np at f-matic.net Fri Sep 12 09:47:02 2003 From: np at f-matic.net (np) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Diagnosing A Sound Problem Message-ID: <20030912144702.8800.qmail@mail1.qwknetllc.com> this happened to me this week, funnily enough... i was just about to recompile a kernel, thinking somehow the soundcore module had been fscked up or something, then i remembered to check aumix and found that somehow the sound levels had all been set to zero upon rebooting. i'd try checking that before fooling around with anything else, just in case. which reminds me of an embarassing anecdote - i was getting ready to play a show using a toshiba laptop running debian, but when i got there my laptop was completely silent -- no error messages or anything, but no sound whatsoever. after a frantic thirty minutes of checking aumix, insmodding, checking dmesg, etc., i realized that the volume control on the front of the laptop was turned all the way down. made me look really tech savvy, that's for sure.. :) best, nick Tim Wilson wrote: >Hey everyone, > >For some reason the sound on my SuSE 8.2 box has stopped working. Everything >is plugged in properly. I checked the connections on the speakers and the >fuse in the subwoofer. Neither the KDE control panel or Yast2 report any >problems. The system beep still works. The sound card is a fairly old >Creative Live! card the uses the emu10k1 kernel module which is loaded >according to the lsmod output. > >When I play an MP3 using XMMS I see the bars of the spectrum analyzer rising >and falling. The light on the satellite speakers goes on which usually >indicates that they've turned on. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Sep 12 09:55:09 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <20030912072254.GA6240@techmonkeys.org> References: <1063268040.11202.13.camel@debian> <006301c378c8$cdf36aa0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030912072254.GA6240@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030912145509.GB29901@fandre.com> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 07:57:13PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > > Debian does take a while to setup. But you only need to do it once. You > > can keep the same install for years and always have an up to date system. > > Debian is by far the easiest Linux distro to maintain. I don't know of any > > other OS that is easier. > > Based on what? apt has been ported to RPM based systems, which makes redhat > just as easy to keep up-to-date, and upgrading between releases is the same > (apt-get dist-upgrade) > I beg to differ. Yes, apt-get has been ported to RH, but it is more of a hack on top of RPM than a true apt-based system. I have had major problems trying to upgrade full systems on RH using apt-get, but have yet to experience problems with Debian. It seems that Debian just does a better job with dependencies time and time again. I'd like to hear of other's experiences with apt-get on RH vs Debian. Is it just me? Maybe I'm just biased towards Debian. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From np at f-matic.net Fri Sep 12 10:08:13 2003 From: np at f-matic.net (np) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest Distro, need help deciding Message-ID: <20030912150813.16942.qmail@mail1.qwknetllc.com> Yeah, but Debian had them first!!! (said in voice of Debian zealot, of course).. Actually, the best argument against Debian I ever heard was that it's not very advanced because it's only on version 3.0 -- everything else is on, like, version 9 or something. Which, by that logic, makes Windows 2000 look like a pretty good choice... :) >Based on what? apt has been ported to RPM based systems, which makes redhat >just as easy to keep up-to-date, and upgrading between releases is the same >(apt-get dist-upgrade) > >-- >Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified >http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Sep 10 23:26:39 2003 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <20030910225908.A30265@thinkunix.net> References: <20030910181621.GA2827@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030910192713.15353.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> <20030910143647.C31982@thinkunix.net> <00b501c3780e$f64750d0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030910225908.A30265@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <1063254398.20527.236.camel@bigtime> > > That's a joke, right? /usr on my Debian box is taking up 2.5 GB, and I have > > about 1400 packages installed. There are over 13100 available packages. > > uh, no. It all depends on what distro and how much crap you want > installed. I know slackware 9.0 said if you installed everything it was > close to 2GB. RH generally requires more disk space if you do a full > install because there are more packages in RH then Slack. Debian seems My 2 year old heavily laden RedHat 9 system used for software development (lots of source code about) GNOME 2.2 and craploads of custom packages barely breaks 2gb depending on what I'm trying to compile. ;P Although its a pretty stripped down gnome/redhat. Nautilus? Don't need it! GUI admin tools? Gone! Hacking /etc/sysconfig/ yourself ain't that hard... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thats how I got started 6 years ago. If you're up for a little trial by fire and aren't scared of a command line, go for it. :) My personal preference for the last 4 years has been Red Hat. If you just want it to work out of the box and not touch a command line if you don't want to, go Red Hat. It'll give you a nice slick painless working desktop setup, that you can later pick apart to the bone at your leisure. Since 8.0, Red Hat has really made it quite friendly and easy to use. The new GUI tools for the most part don't suck, and its easy to bypass them and not even install them at all if you don't want to use them. Unlike linuxconfig, thank god that mess is long dead... Also, to augment your RH system with the goodness of apt, see www.fedora.us For dedicated servers, and machines too weak to run the latest glitzy GNOME desktop, its Debian hands down for me. Helped someone out with Suse a bit at an install fest. Seems okay, kind of a European Red Hat... Latest fad seems to be Gentoo. The prospect of HAVING to compile everything from scratch doesn't interest me that much personally. I have yet to mess with it... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030910/300b7388/attachment.pgp From skodak at mail.cs.umn.edu Fri Sep 12 10:54:01 2003 From: skodak at mail.cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problem with RedHat 9.0 : Opening file system in Read Only mode Message-ID: Hi I have installed RH 9.0 in my system as it was working fime for some time. Now for some odd reason, during boot up it is opening the file system as read-only and hence when its starts initrd it fails and falls to maintenance mode. I dont know where to look for the problem. Any suggestions would be deeply appreciated. I can also bring my system to installfest if I can get some help to fix this problem. Thanks Sreekumar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Sep 12 10:58:24 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake ad selling Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36E5@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/12/1315224&mode=thread&tid=126&tid=147&tid=163&tid=187&tid=98&tid=99 Am I the first to see this? I don't think it is as bad of a thing as the slashdotters...would be interested to know opinions of the LUG Dan Lansing _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 11:16:18 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake ad selling In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36E5@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030912161618.18252.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Suddenly, installing the new version of Mandrake is less and less appealling. Gotta give em credit though, they seem to have found a way to make some money. Hopefully it'll be at least tasteful ads... Wait.. isn't that an oxymoron? --- "Lansing, Dan" wrote: > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/12/1315224&mode=thread&tid=126&tid=147&tid=163&tid=187&tid=98&tid=99 > > Am I the first to see this? I don't think it is as bad of a thing as the > slashdotters...would be interested to know opinions of the LUG > > Dan Lansing > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Sep 12 11:18:16 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problem with RedHat 9.0 : Opening file system in Read Only mode References: Message-ID: <001601c37949$78b335d0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Sreekumar Kodakara writes: > I have installed RH 9.0 in my system as it was working fime for some > time. Now for some odd reason, during boot up it is opening the file > system as read-only and hence when its starts initrd it fails and > falls to maintenance mode. There should have been error messages that told you exactly what was going on. If they scrolled by too fast, press shift-pgup. More than likely, your drive had errors that fsck could not fix automatically. Run fsck manually then reboot. To run fsck manually, you will need to know what device your filesystem is on. Run df. Note the device, then run fsck on that device. It will be something like /dev/hda1. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Sep 12 11:23:55 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake ad selling Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36E6@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Well the way I look at it, every business needs to make money somehow or go out of business. If not enough people purchase their product, what other choice do they have? I personally zone out half of the installs I do anyway so I don't see this as a problem. Anyway it is only in the install so you would only have to see the ads once.....unless like me you need to do reinstalls 2-3 times a month... Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Joel Dick [mailto:joel_cd@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 11:16 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mandrake ad selling Suddenly, installing the new version of Mandrake is less and less appealling. Gotta give em credit though, they seem to have found a way to make some money. Hopefully it'll be at least tasteful ads... Wait.. isn't that an oxymoron? --- "Lansing, Dan" wrote: > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/12/1315224&mode=thread&tid=126&tid=147&tid=163&tid=187&tid=98&tid=99 > > Am I the first to see this? I don't think it is as bad of a thing as > the slashdotters...would be interested to know opinions of the LUG > > Dan Lansing > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 11:36:51 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake ad selling In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36E6@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030912163651.23691.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Agreed, to stay in business, you do need to make money somehow. And yes, installs don't happen all that often. I guess ads are fine if they're balanced and not too annoying (unlike the all too familiar x-10 popups that flash and take up most of your screen, those poor people still using 800x600 res must really dislike ads). And there are ways of blending them into a system without having them take over. I think that when people complain about ads, most times they're complaining about the ones that are a pain to get out of, or take up way too much of their desktop space. It will be interesting to see how this progresses. If mandrake can use the money to support itself better, then I say go for it. I'm sure they're aware they don't want to turn people away, so most likely they'll go about it in more of a user friendly sort of way. --- "Lansing, Dan" wrote: > Well the way I look at it, every business needs to make money somehow or > go out of business. If not enough people purchase their product, what > other choice do they have? I personally zone out half of the installs I > do anyway so I don't see this as a problem. Anyway it is only in the > install so you would only have to see the ads once.....unless like me > you need to do reinstalls 2-3 times a month... > > Dan Lansing > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Dick [mailto:joel_cd@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 11:16 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mandrake ad selling > > > Suddenly, installing the new version of Mandrake is less and less > appealling. Gotta give em credit though, they seem to have found a way > to make some money. Hopefully it'll be at least tasteful ads... Wait.. > isn't that an oxymoron? > > --- "Lansing, Dan" wrote: > > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/12/1315224&mode=thread&tid=126&tid=147&tid=163&tid=187&tid=98&tid=99 > > > > Am I the first to see this? I don't think it is as bad of a thing as > > the slashdotters...would be interested to know opinions of the LUG > > > > Dan Lansing > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Fri Sep 12 11:48:06 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake ad selling In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36E6@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: Not true...if you read further, they allow people to purchase default links in the web browser, and screen savers! Mandrake's page (linked to in the slashdot article) mentions that in the downloaded versions of Mandrake the standard screen savers will be replaced with advertisements. Personally, I think that's just wrong. I believe someone just mentioned that they were going to make a web page about why they think Mandrake sucks. Well, add this to it. On Friday, September 12, 2003, at 11:23 AM, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Anyway it is only in the install so you would only have to see the ads > once.....unless like me you need to do reinstalls 2-3 times a month... -- Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Sep 12 12:00:02 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory In-Reply-To: <20030912094627.5ca25b06.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <200309101153.24601.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <20030910173927.GA1492@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030912005145.66a1f55d.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F61C1D8.8000203@druswanderings.net> <20030912094627.5ca25b06.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030912170002.GC6240@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 09:46:27AM -0500, Shawn wrote: > Ahh, I forgot about that... Stupid idiocies of those "distros".... > > Let's see.... > > -Setup of funky groups on users (username:username) It's completely configurable, and has nothing to do with a particular distro. > -Doesn't take full path of user switching to, even though using the "su -" command What? > -I seem to be forgetting something else.... Bloat maybe? It's only as bloated as you make it. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Sep 12 12:11:03 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake ad selling In-Reply-To: References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36E6@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030912171103.GA29573@skuld.wookimus.net> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 11:48:06AM -0500, Justin Kremer wrote: > Mandrake's page [snip] mentions that in the downloaded versions of > Mandrake the standard screen savers will be replaced with > advertisements. Personally, I think that's just wrong. Since you qualified that with "personally", I won't fault you. Personally, I think it's smart business, if not a little annoying. Don't be surprised if Red Hat does something similar. I'm guessing that in true packaging fashion, the ads will most likely be a separate package that can be removed with a quick command to rpm. If not, and if I were a Mandrake customer, I'd demand it of them. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think I've got enough under my belt to try out Slack and change my systems over... I personally HATE the amount of ads/commercials/"consumerism"/profiling etcetcetc that are becoming more and more commonplace these days. > > Dan Lansing > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Sep 12 13:05:23 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory In-Reply-To: <20030912170002.GC6240@techmonkeys.org> References: <200309101153.24601.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <20030910173927.GA1492@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030912005145.66a1f55d.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F61C1D8.8000203@druswanderings.net> <20030912094627.5ca25b06.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030912170002.GC6240@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030912130523.37529ae3.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:00:02 -0500 "Matthew S. Hallacy" wrote: > On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 09:46:27AM -0500, Shawn wrote: > > Ahh, I forgot about that... Stupid idiocies of those "distros".... > > > > Let's see.... > > > > -Setup of funky groups on users (username:username) > > It's completely configurable, and has nothing to do with a particular > distro. > True, but I was referring to "defaults" > > -Doesn't take full path of user switching to, even though using the > > "su -" command > > What? > On a Debian system, and others most likely although it's been a long time since I've touched other distros, if you want to su to the root account it doesn't by default load the pathing/profile. Again, this is configurable, but it's annoying as all get out to me that you have to configure it. Slackware, and the major Unix systems do this automatically. Less typing, less front end configuration for something that should already be there. > > -I seem to be forgetting something else.... Bloat maybe? > > It's only as bloated as you make it. > True. But so many distros are coming with far more bloat. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From skodak at mail.cs.umn.edu Fri Sep 12 13:05:48 2003 From: skodak at mail.cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More information on RH 9 : Read Only file System Message-ID: Hi, Since the file system was mounted in read only mode, I couldnt find the boot up messages in the log files. Hence I have taken a picture of the boot up messages and have attached along with this mail :). Thanks for the help. Sreekumar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It had it's day with me, was the first linux distro I used (frankly because at the time a co-worker reccommended it) about 2 years back, kinda just stuck with it because of familiarity. > I think I've got enough under my belt to try out Slack and change my > systems over... My sentiments as well, actually I'll probably try a couple distros out though, Slack included. Thankfully the time of my choosing coincided with the installfest, what luck. > I personally HATE the amount of ads/commercials/"consumerism"/profiling > etcetcetc that are becoming more and more commonplace these days. Can't say I'm too thrilled about it either. I remember an episode of Futurama where they go online with the VR suits, and the first thing Fry says at "Seeing" the internet was "My God, it's full of Ads!". Then the droves of Ads start attacking them. Yes, wonderful outlook on the future I say. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Sep 12 13:44:31 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake ad selling In-Reply-To: <20030912183603.67574.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030912183603.67574.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ha ! I forgot abuot that Futurama episode - what a hoot! On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:36:02 -0700 (PDT), Joel Dick wrote: >> Well that's the straw that brakes my Mandrake liking. Mandrake was my >> first (real) install and I guess I just got used to it and kept with >> it... > > I think the straw that broke my Mandrake days was the fact that the 9.1 > install messed up my drive. It had it's day with me, was the first linux > distro I used (frankly because at the time a co-worker reccommended it) > about 2 years back, kinda just stuck with it because of familiarity. > >> I think I've got enough under my belt to try out Slack and change my >> systems over... > > My sentiments as well, actually I'll probably try a couple distros out > though, Slack included. Thankfully the time of my choosing coincided with > the installfest, what luck. > >> I personally HATE the amount of ads/commercials/"consumerism"/profiling >> etcetcetc that are becoming more and more commonplace these days. > > Can't say I'm too thrilled about it either. I remember an episode of > Futurama where they go online with the VR suits, and the first thing Fry > says at "Seeing" the internet was "My God, it's full of Ads!". Then the > droves of Ads start attacking them. Yes, wonderful outlook on the future > I say. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Sep 12 14:11:39 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake ad selling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1063393899.31779.58.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 11:48, Justin Kremer wrote: > Personally, I think that's just wrong. > I believe someone just mentioned that they were going to make a web > page about why they think Mandrake sucks. Well, add this to it. I don't think anyone likes it, probably not even Mandrake. Survival depends on money coming in. The'll do what they can to survive. Personally I think it sucks that they have to sell ads like this to survive but I don't think bashing Mandrake will do anything to help anybody. Lets go back to bashing those who deserve it, like SCO and Microsoft. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Sep 12 14:27:55 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More information on RH 9 : Read Only file System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1063394874.31779.100.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 13:05, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Since the file system was mounted in read only mode, I couldnt find the > boot up messages in the log files. Hence I have taken a picture of the > boot up messages and have attached along with this mail :). You need to do what Dave suggested and run fsck manually. Your disk is fscked up. On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 11:18, David Phillips wrote: > To run fsck manually, you will need to know what device your filesystem is > on. Run df. Note the device, then run fsck on that device. It will be > something like /dev/hda1. Do you have your root password? When you get the prompt "Type root password or ctl-D" enter the password. at the prompt type df. That will list your files systems. write down each one and run "fsck /dev/hdXX" for each of your file systems. Hopefully that will fix your problem and you'll be done. If it does not fix it let us know. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Fri Sep 12 14:57:29 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] uuencoded files In-Reply-To: <200309101641.18022@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <570E4530-E55B-11D7-B116-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> On Wednesday, Sep 10, 2003, at 16:41 US/Central, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone have a nice procmail receipe for converting uuencoded files > into "real" > attachements? first hit on google when searching for "procmail uuencode" http://www.csoft.net/~dummy/robert/software/procmail/mime.shtml Hope this helps. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens http://us-admins.com/~blutgens/ US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Sep 12 15:33:43 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory In-Reply-To: <20030912130523.37529ae3.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <200309101153.24601.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <20030910173927.GA1492@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030912005145.66a1f55d.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F61C1D8.8000203@druswanderings.net> <20030912094627.5ca25b06.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030912170002.GC6240@techmonkeys.org> <20030912130523.37529ae3.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030912203343.GE6240@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 01:05:23PM -0500, Shawn wrote: > True, but I was referring to "defaults" Lazy? It has to default to one way or another, the default of username:username is more secure. > On a Debian system, and others most likely although it's been a long time since I've touched other distros, if you want to su to the root account it doesn't by default load the pathing/profile. Again, this is configurable, but it's annoying as all get out to me that you have to configure it. Slackware, and the major Unix systems do this automatically. Less typing, less front end configuration for something that should already be there. The concept of what should or should not be there is completely up to the person using the system, sane defaults are great. > True. But so many distros are coming with far more bloat. Then debian must have the most bloat, considering how large the apt repositories are. Or, bloat simply depends upon what you choose to install. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From devel_support at crlc.net Fri Sep 12 15:45:57 2003 From: devel_support at crlc.net (Carl Lindgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake ad selling References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36E5@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <011501c3796e$de892840$0325a8c0@crlc.net> I don't understand the logic in this thread... We all want "Rock Solid" Operating Systems with "clean" "non-broken" installs but no one wants to pay for it. I think if this is a way for companies, such as Mandrake, to generate revenue to compensate for those who download the OS at no cost (not to mention the cost of bandwidth to provide this) then more power to them. I have purchased boxen versions of Mandrake since MDK 7.0 and have also used the downloaded versions. I see no problem with Mandrake seeking alternative methods of compensation for those who download without paying for the development nor the cost of bandwidth at any time. I think it?s a very small price to have to pay. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Fulcrum" To: Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mandrake ad selling > > > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:58:24 -0500, Lansing, Dan > wrote: > > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/12/1315224&mode=thread&tid=126&tid= 147&tid=163&tid=187&tid=98&tid=99 > > > > Am I the first to see this? I don't think it is as bad of a thing as the > > slashdotters...would be interested to know opinions of the LUG > > Well that's the straw that brakes my Mandrake liking. Mandrake was my > first (real) install and I guess I just got used to it and kept with it... > > I think I've got enough under my belt to try out Slack and change my > systems over... > > I personally HATE the amount of ads/commercials/"consumerism"/profiling > etcetcetc that are becoming more and more commonplace these days. > > > > > > > > > Dan Lansing > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Sep 12 15:47:06 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] uuencoded files In-Reply-To: <570E4530-E55B-11D7-B116-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> References: <200309101641.18022@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <570E4530-E55B-11D7-B116-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> Message-ID: <20030912154706.A10525@baker.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 02:57:29PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Wednesday, Sep 10, 2003, at 16:41 US/Central, Bob Tanner wrote: > > >Anyone have a nice procmail receipe for converting uuencoded files > >into "real" > >attachements? > > first hit on google when searching for "procmail uuencode" > > http://www.csoft.net/~dummy/robert/software/procmail/mime.shtml Which seems to do the opposite of what Bob wants ;). It uses uuencode to convert images, etc into text. This recipe from the third hit (http://www.procmail.org/SmartList-3.15/SmartList/examples/putfile) on Google from "procmail uudecode attachment" does part of what Bob wants: :0 bw * ^Content-Transfer-Encoding:[ ]*(x-)?uuencode | sed -e "s:^begin [0-7]*[0-7]\([0-7]\)[0-7].*$:begin 6\14 $file:" | \ uudecode >$file which decodes the attachment to a file. You could then pipe it through to mpack. The details of getting it to work shouldn't be too difficult. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Fri Sep 12 15:51:45 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake ad selling In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36E5@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36E5@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <3F6231E1.40707@cdf123.com> Lansing, Dan wrote: >http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/12/1315224&mode=thread&tid=126&tid=147&tid=163&tid=187&tid=98&tid=99 > >Am I the first to see this? I don't think it is as bad of a thing as the slashdotters...would be interested to know opinions of the LUG > >Dan Lansing > As long as it's not some 3rd party ad rotation that ends up spewing Microsoft (.Net/200? Server/MSN) ads then I'll be fine with it. I mean how many companies actually would want to buy an ad there? ThinkGeek? IBM? Oracle? I'm fine with those. They tend to be at least tastefull. I don't see much difference between this and Red Hat's "How did Red Hat get its name..." slides on their install. Their both going to be anoying, Mandrake is trying to make a buck, and Red Hat doesn't seem to know how they got their name (I can't understand why they put 6 slides explaining this 6 completely different ways, how many times did they have to name the company the same thing?). The screensavers will be the biggest problem, but only for as long as it takes the user to turn them off or replace them. Personaly, I thought their default screensaver looked like garbage anyway. This won't stop me from using their distro. I like that they keep at the bleeding edge of releases, and I like the list of packages installed. But my first act after an install is to load fluxbox, and set up xlock, so other than the ads on the install, I don't think I'll be seeing too may of them. In time I may switch to Slackware or Debian, but not because of this. Just my $0.02... (and spelling mistakes) Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at JentgeS.NeT Fri Sep 12 16:07:17 2003 From: mj at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Syquest SparQ 1 Gig Drive In-Reply-To: <3F60E94D.5060809@visi.com> References: <3F60E94D.5060809@visi.com> Message-ID: <1228.199.199.150.144.1063400837.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> And hence AUTHOR wrote: Sam MacDonald > Sniff, sniff :'( My SparQ drive is dead. > Forgive my ignorance, but what is a sparQ drive? I've got/got access to all sorts of old weird stuff, you never know... -mj _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Sep 12 16:19:15 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake ad selling In-Reply-To: <3F6231E1.40707@cdf123.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36E5@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <3F6231E1.40707@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20030912161915.A10550@baker.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 03:51:45PM -0500, Chris Frederick wrote: > The screensavers will be the > biggest problem, but only for as long as it takes the user to turn them > off or replace them. Personaly, I thought their default screensaver > looked like garbage anyway. From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Sep 12 16:21:54 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Syquest SparQ 1 Gig Drive In-Reply-To: <3F60E94D.5060809@visi.com> References: <3F60E94D.5060809@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030912212154.GF6240@techmonkeys.org> I'm fairly sure I saw a stack of 1GB devices at that-place-in-eagan-with all-the-old-stuff-i-can't-remember, I'm sure someone will pipe up and remind me. On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 04:29:49PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Sniff, sniff :'( My SparQ drive is dead. > -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Sep 12 16:34:26 2003 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <20030912145509.GB29901@fandre.com> References: <1063268040.11202.13.camel@debian> <20030912072254.GA6240@techmonkeys.org> <20030912145509.GB29901@fandre.com> Message-ID: <200309121634.26657.barnabas@knicknack.net> I have been a RedHat afficionado for about the last two years, having cut my teeth on Slackware (a familiar story around here). I have tried using apt-get to upgrade systems and have been frustrated with it. I think the main problems arise when you have installed rpms that are not standard with the distro and then you try to upgrade. For this reason, I have considered trying Debian, but I am scared off (maybe that's too strong) by the learning curve. Perhaps I shouldn't be since I started w/ Slack. Eric On Friday 12 September 2003 09:55, Clay Fandre wrote: > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 07:57:13PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > > > Debian does take a while to setup. But you only need to do it once. > > > You can keep the same install for years and always have an up to date > > > system. Debian is by far the easiest Linux distro to maintain. I don't > > > know of any other OS that is easier. > > > > Based on what? apt has been ported to RPM based systems, which makes > > redhat just as easy to keep up-to-date, and upgrading between releases is > > the same (apt-get dist-upgrade) > > I beg to differ. Yes, apt-get has been ported to RH, but it is more of > a hack on top of RPM than a true apt-based system. I have had major > problems trying to upgrade full systems on RH using apt-get, but have > yet to experience problems with Debian. It seems that Debian just does > a better job with dependencies time and time again. > > I'd like to hear of other's experiences with apt-get on RH vs Debian. > Is it just me? Maybe I'm just biased towards Debian. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Sep 12 16:38:29 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (bradyh@bitstream.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake ad selling In-Reply-To: <3F6231E1.40707@cdf123.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36E5@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <3F6231E1.40707@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <1063402709.3f623cd5502a7@mail.bitstream.net> Sheesh, just pay for the darn thing if you don't want ads. One of the 10 laws of Linux should be "You only get to complain about what you pay for." Brady > Lansing, Dan wrote: > > >http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/12/1315224&mode=thread&tid=126&tid=147&tid=163&tid=187&tid=98&tid=99 > > > >Am I the first to see this? I don't think it is as bad of a thing as the > slashdotters...would be interested to know opinions of the LUG > > > >Dan Lansing > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 12 17:02:46 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Syquest SparQ 1 Gig Drive In-Reply-To: <1228.199.199.150.144.1063400837.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> References: <3F60E94D.5060809@visi.com> <1228.199.199.150.144.1063400837.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: <3F624286.4000800@visi.com> A SparQ is a 1 gig removeable hard disk drive. They are great if you need to store large amounts of data that aren't used very much. But the drives tend to be a little unstable. Michael Jentges wrote: >And hence AUTHOR wrote: Sam MacDonald > > >>Sniff, sniff :'( My SparQ drive is dead. >> >> >> > >Forgive my ignorance, but what is a sparQ drive? > >I've got/got access to all sorts of old weird stuff, you never know... > >-mj > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Tue Sep 9 21:21:56 2003 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Distro, need help deciding In-Reply-To: <20030909183729.6032.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030909183729.6032.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1063160515.19419.32.camel@bigtime> > Seeing as the installfest is fast approaching, I'm trying to decide what > distro I want to install, I'm sure this is always a popular question, but > I'm hoping for some insight. I tried installing mandrake 9.1 and found Forget Mandrake. It really, really sucks. I need to write up exactly why on a web page I can just point to... I'm going to assume you want a desktop system. People have recommended Slackware. Thats how I got started 6 years ago. If you're up for a little trial by fire and aren't scared of a command line, go for it. :) My personal preference for the last 4 years has been Red Hat. If you just want it to work out of the box and not touch a command line if you don't want to, go Red Hat. It'll give you a nice slick painless working desktop setup, that you can later pick apart to the bone at your leisure. Since 8.0, Red Hat has really made it quite friendly and easy to use. The new GUI tools for the most part don't suck, and its easy to bypass them and not even install them at all if you don't want to use them. Unlike linuxconfig, thank god that mess is long dead... Also, to augment your RH system with the goodness of apt, see www.fedora.us For dedicated servers, and machines too weak to run the latest glitzy GNOME desktop, its Debian hands down for me. Helped someone out with Suse a bit at an install fest. Seems okay, kind of a European Red Hat... Latest fad seems to be Gentoo. The prospect of HAVING to compile everything from scratch doesn't interest me that much personally. I have yet to mess with it... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030909/36ea94a7/attachment.pgp From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Sep 12 17:04:16 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More information on RH 9 : Read Only file System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030912220416.GA15888@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 01:05:48PM -0500, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi, > > Since the file system was mounted in read only mode, I couldnt find > the boot up messages in the log files. Hence I have taken a picture of > the boot up messages and have attached along with this mail :). > I hate to be the bad guy here, but have you tried Google? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 12 17:12:47 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More information on RH 9 : Read Only file System In-Reply-To: <1063394874.31779.100.camel@lotsa> References: <1063394874.31779.100.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <3F6244DF.2020004@visi.com> Ya know how when you want to know something and if just comes up some how df Wow! I don't have much space left on usr! Sam. Tom Penney wrote: >On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 13:05, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > > >>Since the file system was mounted in read only mode, I couldnt find the >>boot up messages in the log files. Hence I have taken a picture of the >>boot up messages and have attached along with this mail :). >> >> > >You need to do what Dave suggested and run fsck manually. Your disk is >fscked up. > >On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 11:18, David Phillips wrote: > > >>To run fsck manually, you will need to know what device your filesystem is >>on. Run df. Note the device, then run fsck on that device. It will be >>something like /dev/hda1. >> >> > >Do you have your root password? When you get the prompt "Type root >password or ctl-D" enter the password. at the prompt type df. That will >list your files systems. write down each one and run "fsck /dev/hdXX" >for each of your file systems. Hopefully that will fix your problem and >you'll be done. If it does not fix it let us know. > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Sep 12 17:32:52 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Syquest SparQ 1 Gig Drive In-Reply-To: <20030912212154.GF6240@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > I'm fairly sure I saw a stack of 1GB devices at that-place-in-eagan-with > all-the-old-stuff-i-can't-remember, I'm sure someone will pipe up > and remind me. MPC? Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 12 17:45:23 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Meeting Place Message-ID: <3F624C83.5050800@visi.com> Frankies Pizza in Chanhassen! They have some dang good pizza and pasta! Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Fri Sep 12 18:34:18 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Meeting Place In-Reply-To: <3F624C83.5050800@visi.com> Message-ID: On Friday, Sep 12, 2003, at 17:45 US/Central, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Frankies Pizza in Chanhassen! > > They have some dang good pizza and pasta! But its in chanhassen. > > Sam. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens http://us-admins.com/~blutgens/ US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 12 18:39:28 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Syquest SparQ 1 Gig Drive In-Reply-To: <3F624286.4000800@visi.com> References: <3F60E94D.5060809@visi.com> <1228.199.199.150.144.1063400837.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F624286.4000800@visi.com> Message-ID: <1063409968.9121.1104.camel@3po> On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 17:02, Sam MacDonald wrote: > A SparQ is a 1 gig removeable hard disk drive. They are great if you > need to store large amounts of data that aren't used very much. But the > drives tend to be a little unstable. This shouldn't be confused with Iomega's Jaz drives, which were roughly the same idea if I remember right. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Ethernet: something used to / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ catch the Etherbunny \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I still don't know it that well, and won't for some time. Having wiped my only Debian box to go back to Slack only in this household. =) Go for it, worth a shot. If you don't like it, you can always try something else. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Sep 12 21:49:50 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Meeting Place In-Reply-To: References: <3F624C83.5050800@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030912214950.000073d1.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> > On Friday, Sep 12, 2003, at 17:45 US/Central, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > Frankies Pizza in Chanhassen! > > > > They have some dang good pizza and pasta! > > But its in chanhassen. For future reference, I am a teacher at Metrostate University. If the group is looking for a meeting place I can probably arrange something on either the St. Paul or Minneapolis campus. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 12 22:18:03 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Meeting Place In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F628C6B.5090706@visi.com> Ben you have to have the pizza at Frankie's, it is the best! Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Friday, Sep 12, 2003, at 17:45 US/Central, Sam MacDonald wrote: > >> Frankies Pizza in Chanhassen! >> >> They have some dang good pizza and pasta! > > > But its in chanhassen. > >> >> Sam. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > -- > Ben Lutgens http://us-admins.com/~blutgens/ > US Admins, Inc > System Administrator / Server Gumby > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 12 22:19:23 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Syquest SparQ 1 Gig Drive In-Reply-To: <1063409968.9121.1104.camel@3po> References: <3F60E94D.5060809@visi.com> <1228.199.199.150.144.1063400837.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F624286.4000800@visi.com> <1063409968.9121.1104.camel@3po> Message-ID: <3F628CBB.1010308@visi.com> No, but same idea except my Zip has lasted about 3 times longer then my SparQ Mike Hicks wrote: >On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 17:02, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>A SparQ is a 1 gig removeable hard disk drive. They are great if you >>need to store large amounts of data that aren't used very much. But the >>drives tend to be a little unstable. >> >> > >This shouldn't be confused with Iomega's Jaz drives, which were roughly >the same idea if I remember right. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 12 22:21:19 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Meeting Place In-Reply-To: <20030912214950.000073d1.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <3F624C83.5050800@visi.com> <20030912214950.000073d1.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <3F628D2F.8020701@visi.com> I should have been more clear, I'm sorry. I meant Beer meeting.... Unless metro state doesn't mind the beer part? :-P Josh Trutwin wrote: >>On Friday, Sep 12, 2003, at 17:45 US/Central, Sam MacDonald wrote: >> >> >> >>>Frankies Pizza in Chanhassen! >>> >>>They have some dang good pizza and pasta! >>> >>> >>But its in chanhassen. >> >> > >For future reference, I am a teacher at Metrostate University. If the group is looking for a meeting place I can probably arrange something on either the St. Paul or Minneapolis campus. > >Josh > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Sep 12 23:11:43 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Syquest SparQ 1 Gig Drive In-Reply-To: References: <20030912212154.GF6240@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030913041143.GG6240@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 05:32:52PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > MPC? Yup. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sat Sep 13 02:43:10 2003 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner Smarthost? In-Reply-To: <61066.65.116.187.219.1063216565.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> References: <20030910115655.00004434.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> <61066.65.116.187.219.1063216565.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: <1063438989.21735.4.camel@bigtime> > I had to create a couple of entries in my /etc/mail/mailertable like the > following: > aol.com smtp:smtp-server.mn.rr.com > netscape.net smtp:smtp-server.mn.rr.com > mn.rr.com smtp:smtp-server.mn.rr.com > > Basically what this is telling sendmail is that for aol.com addresses > forward those messages to smtp-server.mn.rr.com using smtp. The Road > Runner server then forwards the mail onto the approriate location. Exim wizards, how might one do this in exim 3.x? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Metrostate would be pretty boring place for a beer meeting. :) Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sat Sep 13 20:01:59 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner Smarthost? In-Reply-To: <1063438989.21735.4.camel@bigtime> References: <20030910115655.00004434.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> <61066.65.116.187.219.1063216565.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> <1063438989.21735.4.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <20030914010158.GA22097@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 02:43:10AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > I had to create a couple of entries in my /etc/mail/mailertable like the > > following: > > aol.com smtp:smtp-server.mn.rr.com > > netscape.net smtp:smtp-server.mn.rr.com > > mn.rr.com smtp:smtp-server.mn.rr.com > > > > Basically what this is telling sendmail is that for aol.com addresses > > forward those messages to smtp-server.mn.rr.com using smtp. The Road > > Runner server then forwards the mail onto the approriate location. > > Exim wizards, how might one do this in exim 3.x? Not a wizard, but this looks like a job for a domainlist router: http://www.us.exim.org/exim-html-3.30/doc/html/spec_28.html HTH, HAND. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Sep 13 20:28:15 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thank You! Message-ID: <3F63C42F.9030204@visi.com> I just wanted to Thank You personally for arranging the Install Fest and for the use of the SparQ drive. I had a good time talking to everyone and I learned more then I needed to, small brain... I'm still installing on my Laptop but I've found that I'm going to need to do this differently. I have a version of Redhat with the NIC drivers I need to complete the install, RH 5. Thanks to you and to Toro for everything. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Sat Sep 13 20:45:01 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache with mod_perl and php Message-ID: <057901c37a61$d5641bf0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Earlier this month I posted a question on php not working after installing an older version (1.3) of Apache This is what I need to do: I have a redhat 9.0 box with apache 2.x. and php. I am setting up Request Tracker ticketing program, which I have not been able to install properly with this set up, so I want to disable apache 2.x and install 1.3. Request tracker requires apache to be built with mod_perl. I also need php to work. Below I have examples of how each should be done. How can I combine both, so I have a build with mod_perl and a working php install? Building Apache with mod_perl: % tar xzvf apache_x.x.x.tar.gz % tar xzvf mod_perl-x.xx.tar.gz % cd mod_perl-x.xx % perl Makefile.PL APACHE_SRC=../apache_x.x.x/src USE_APACI=1 DO_HTTPD=1 EVERYTHING=1 % make && make test && make install % cd ../apache_x.x.x % make install Building PHP with Apache: 1. gunzip apache_xxx.tar.gz 2. tar -xvf apache_xxx.tar 3. gunzip php-xxx.tar.gz 4. tar -xvf php-xxx.tar 5. cd apache_xxx 6. ./configure --prefix=/www --enable-module=so 7. make 8. make install 9. cd ../php-xxx 10. ./configure --with-mysql --with-apxs=/www/bin/apxs 11. make 12. make install _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Sat Sep 13 23:19:35 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner Smarthost? In-Reply-To: <20030914010158.GA22097@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: On Saturday, Sep 13, 2003, at 20:01 US/Central, John J. Trammell wrote: >> Exim wizards, how might one do this in exim 3.x? > > Not a wizard, but this looks like a job for a domainlist router: Yeah, there was a thread about this on the exim-users list a lil while back. Works the same for exim-4 (which you should all be updating to anyway ;-) > http://www.us.exim.org/exim-html-3.30/doc/html/spec_28.html > > HTH, HAND. > > -- > trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA > 36F5 > Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens http://us-admins.com/~blutgens/ US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at JentgeS.NeT Sat Sep 13 23:36:23 2003 From: mj at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache with mod_perl and php In-Reply-To: <057901c37a61$d5641bf0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> References: <057901c37a61$d5641bf0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <1296.199.199.150.147.1063514183.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> I've never done mod_perl but I've done mod_xxx, several different ones, usually seem to muddle my way through it eventually. You basically build/install apache twice. If you follow your steps below, it'll probably work! Tried ./configure --help in the apache src directory? Loads of info there. -mj And hence AUTHOR wrote: Raymond Norton > Earlier this month I posted a question on php not working after > installing an older version (1.3) of Apache > > This is what I need to do: > > I have a redhat 9.0 box with apache 2.x. and php. I am setting up > Request Tracker ticketing program, which I have not been able to install > properly with this set up, so I want to disable apache 2.x and install > 1.3. Request tracker requires apache to be built with mod_perl. I also > need php to work. Below I have examples of how each should be done. How > can I combine both, so I have a build with mod_perl and a working php > install? > > > > Building Apache with mod_perl: > > % tar xzvf apache_x.x.x.tar.gz > % tar xzvf mod_perl-x.xx.tar.gz > % cd mod_perl-x.xx > % perl Makefile.PL APACHE_SRC=../apache_x.x.x/src USE_APACI=1 > DO_HTTPD=1 EVERYTHING=1 > % make && make test && make install > % cd ../apache_x.x.x > % make install > > Building PHP with Apache: > > > 1. gunzip apache_xxx.tar.gz > 2. tar -xvf apache_xxx.tar > 3. gunzip php-xxx.tar.gz > 4. tar -xvf php-xxx.tar > 5. cd apache_xxx > 6. ./configure --prefix=/www --enable-module=so > 7. make > 8. make install > 9. cd ../php-xxx > 10. ./configure --with-mysql --with-apxs=/www/bin/apxs > 11. make > 12. make install > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Sep 13 23:41:15 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache with mod_perl and php References: <057901c37a61$d5641bf0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <000c01c37a7a$6e9dcce0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Raymond Norton writes: > How can I combine both, so I have a build with > mod_perl and a working php install? Build Apache and install it. Then build your modules and install them. You only need to install Apache once. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Sep 14 02:14:40 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thank You! In-Reply-To: <3F63C42F.9030204@visi.com> References: <3F63C42F.9030204@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F641560.3080308@visi.com> Debain is actually installing it's putting in the base packages. What I / We didn't do is to install PCMCIA before the network driver when I installed PCMCIA the Xircom CE3 10/100 was found and installed :o) 20 base disks later and it should be done when I wake up in the morning :O) I'll have a 486sx with 24 mb ram running Debain. :-D That will make 1 Redhat and 1 Debain machine, thanks for the help with getting the FDD install running. It will force me to work at the command line. I think everyone who wants to be on the more technical side needs to learn in from the command line. X windows it tempting when it's available, knowing the guts of the system is important. Making a boot floppy now, maybe I'll wait to go to bed, and sending this. Restart Congratulations, you have successfully installed Debain! Time zone password and new user bla, bla, bla mail, more bla... it's 2 in the morning please get finished. login shutdown -r now login logout go to bed.... Sam. P.S. ZZZzzzzzzzzzzz Sam MacDonald wrote: > I just wanted to Thank You personally for arranging the Install Fest > and for the use of the SparQ drive. > > I had a good time talking to everyone and I learned more then I needed > to, small brain... > > I'm still installing on my Laptop but I've found that I'm going to > need to do this differently. I have a version of Redhat with the NIC > drivers I need to complete the install, RH 5. > > Thanks to you and to Toro for everything. > > Sam. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Sep 14 09:32:16 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 486sx Laptop w/24mb RAM & 200mb Disk Message-ID: <3F647BF0.4040307@visi.com> It works and I have network! I think I'll like GNU nano it's more visual then vi Thanks again! Sam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Sep 14 11:09:47 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 486sx Laptop w/24mb RAM & 200mb Disk References: <3F647BF0.4040307@visi.com> Message-ID: <001b01c37ada$9e5d4e00$0201a8c0@brinstar> Sam MacDonald writes: > I think I'll like GNU nano it's more visual then vi The Pico interface sucks. It doesn't even have search and replace. If you want an editor that is easy to use, yet has many powerful features, try JOE. If you use JOE, you will probably want to enable the "nobackups" option. It creates backups by default. You also might check out my init file for an example on how to customize it: http://david.maridia.com/joerc -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Sep 14 12:07:26 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? Message-ID: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> Um I can't seam to get ftp to run. I know this is Debian (woody) but ftp should be on the system some where? With Redhat I just type "ftp host" and I'm good to go. Thats what I get for having a new distro... Anyone with a hint? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Sun Sep 14 12:08:04 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? In-Reply-To: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> References: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F64A074.4030401@real-time.com> Sam MacDonald wrote: > Um I can't seam to get ftp to run. > I know this is Debian (woody) but ftp should be on the system some where? > > With Redhat I just type "ftp host" and I'm good to go. > > Thats what I get for having a new distro... > > Anyone with a hint? Have you tried an alternative ftp client, like ncftp? It's much more powerful anyway, and is still CLI. -- Dave Sherman - MCSE, MCSA, CCNA Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Sep 14 12:08:31 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? References: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> Message-ID: <000401c37ae2$d2c72550$0201a8c0@brinstar> Sam MacDonald writes: > Um I can't seam to get ftp to run. > I know this is Debian (woody) but ftp should be on the system some > where? apt-get install lukemftp -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Sep 14 12:34:29 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? In-Reply-To: <000401c37ae2$d2c72550$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> <000401c37ae2$d2c72550$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <3F64A6A5.7080200@visi.com> I get the following output when I run apt-get install lukemftp Reading Pachage Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: Couldn't find package Lukemftp How do I configure apt-get? Sam. David Phillips wrote: >Sam MacDonald writes: > > >>Um I can't seam to get ftp to run. >>I know this is Debian (woody) but ftp should be on the system some >>where? >> >> > >apt-get install lukemftp > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Sun Sep 14 12:33:05 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? In-Reply-To: <3F64A6A5.7080200@visi.com> References: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> <000401c37ae2$d2c72550$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F64A6A5.7080200@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030914173305.GA31074@fandre.com> Try apt-get install ftp for the old-school ftp client. If that still doesn't work, run apt-get update first? Did you ever configure your /etc/apt/sources.list? On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I get the following output when I run apt-get install lukemftp > > Reading Pachage Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > E: Couldn't find package Lukemftp > > How do I configure apt-get? > > Sam. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Sun Sep 14 12:40:10 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? In-Reply-To: <3F64A6A5.7080200@visi.com> References: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> <000401c37ae2$d2c72550$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F64A6A5.7080200@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030914174010.GF681@iucha.net> On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 12:34:29PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I get the following output when I run apt-get install lukemftp > > Reading Pachage Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > E: Couldn't find package Lukemftp ^^^ Are you sure you used the proper case? > >apt-get install lukemftp Cheers, florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030914/3d436a1a/attachment.pgp From smac at visi.com Sun Sep 14 12:47:39 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? In-Reply-To: <20030914173305.GA31074@fandre.com> References: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> <000401c37ae2$d2c72550$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F64A6A5.7080200@visi.com> <20030914173305.GA31074@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3F64A9BB.5070907@visi.com> This is what is in the /etc/apt/sources.list # deb http://security.debain.org./ stable.updates main Sam. Clay Fandre wrote: >Try apt-get install ftp for the old-school ftp client. > >If that still doesn't work, run apt-get update first? Did you ever >configure your /etc/apt/sources.list? > >On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > >>I get the following output when I run apt-get install lukemftp >> >>Reading Pachage Lists... Done >>Building Dependency Tree... Done >>E: Couldn't find package Lukemftp >> >>How do I configure apt-get? >> >>Sam. >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Sep 14 12:50:44 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? In-Reply-To: <20030914174010.GF681@iucha.net> References: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> <000401c37ae2$d2c72550$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F64A6A5.7080200@visi.com> <20030914174010.GF681@iucha.net> Message-ID: <3F64AA74.8070804@visi.com> All lower case, yes. I'm a newbe yes but I type everything verbatim. Florin Iucha wrote: >On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 12:34:29PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>I get the following output when I run apt-get install lukemftp >> >>Reading Pachage Lists... Done >>Building Dependency Tree... Done >>E: Couldn't find package Lukemftp >> >> > ^^^ > >Are you sure you used the proper case? > > > >>>apt-get install lukemftp >>> >>> > >Cheers, >florin > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sun Sep 14 13:35:10 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? In-Reply-To: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> References: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030914183510.GA14881@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 12:07:26PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Um I can't seam to get ftp to run. > I know this is Debian (woody) but ftp should be on the system some where? > > With Redhat I just type "ftp host" and I'm good to go. > > Thats what I get for having a new distro... > > Anyone with a hint? > Well, your problem is kind of vague. It would be better if you cut and pasted the exact command you ran, and the exact error message. FWIW, the ftp on my Debian is installed as part of the "ftp" package, so "apt-get -f install ftp". -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sun Sep 14 13:38:07 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? In-Reply-To: <3F64A9BB.5070907@visi.com> References: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> <000401c37ae2$d2c72550$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F64A6A5.7080200@visi.com> <20030914173305.GA31074@fandre.com> <3F64A9BB.5070907@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030914183807.GB14881@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 12:47:39PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > This is what is in the /etc/apt/sources.list > > # deb http://security.debain.org./ stable.updates main > > Sam. > You probably want a line like: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free in your sources.list. I'd suggest Gladiator, but then you'd have to find a replacement source the next time it went belly-up. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Sep 14 13:42:09 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? References: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> <000401c37ae2$d2c72550$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F64A6A5.7080200@visi.com> <20030914173305.GA31074@fandre.com> <3F64A9BB.5070907@visi.com> Message-ID: <003701c37aef$e7b24be0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Sam MacDonald writes: > This is what is in the /etc/apt/sources.list Copy the second example (under "We usually find the following...") into sources.list: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-sources.list Then run "apt-get update". -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Sun Sep 14 11:03:49 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 486sx Laptop w/24mb RAM & 200mb Disk In-Reply-To: <3F647BF0.4040307@visi.com> References: <3F647BF0.4040307@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030914110349.22372a92.william.layer@comcast.net> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:32:16 -0500 Sam MacDonald wrote: > I think I'll like GNU nano it's more visual then vi Not sure what you mean by 'more visual', but here's a little tip: Nano and it's cousin Pico have a nasty way of breaking system configuration files unless they are run with the -w switch. Read the nano manpage for details on what this does. If you need to just view a file, not edit it.. use 'less' or 'more' - they can't change the file, they are only viewers. Bill _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Sep 14 10:28:26 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200309141528.h8EFSQU04598@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Sun Sep 14 10:28:24 2003. Name: Chris Carter Category: services Subject: Install Ad: I missed installfest and I have an old 586 laptop that I really want Linux on. It has a floppy drive and 2 PCMCIA ports. Also has a serial and a parellel and other connection ports. Please e-mail me with help or suggestions. To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sun Sep 14 19:02:36 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F65019C.1050503@eworld3.net> >>> hack warning <<< Ok, here's an idea. How about a cron job that runs every minute and sets the permissions of all the files in the directory. Do I get credit for "thinking outside the box"? Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Make sure both users have a umask of "002" > (and not "022"). Usually set in "/etc/bashrc" or > "~/.bashrc" on RHL. > > As 'root': > # mkdir /home/share > # chgrp users /home/share > # chmod g+rwxs /home/share > > Now files and directories created in the > shell environment will 'do the right thing', > but GUI shells might need tweaking, and > access via Samba or Netatalk will need > more configuration ("force create mode" > and "force directory mode"). This sounds like the "real" solution. > > >>>>peter-clark@bethel.edu 09/10/03 11:53AM >>> > > Is there a way to specify that all files created in a certain > directory > should belong to a certain group and be writable by that group? I'd like > to > share (locally) a directory with my wife and have everything in that > directory modifiable by either of us automatically, without having to > chown > and chmod new files every time. Both of us belong to group 'users', so all > I > really need to know is how to specify that all new files in the directory > > must belong to group 'users' and have g+rw access. > Thanks, > :Peter > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Sep 14 20:35:53 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: <200309141528.h8EFSQU04598@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200309141528.h8EFSQU04598@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F651779.6030300@visi.com> First get a PCMCIA NIC that's compatible with the the distro you want to use. and/or Get a PCMCIA SCSI card and external SCSI CDROM. The later may be a bit more expensive but it will be easier to do the install. You will want a NIC any way. I just installed (using floppy disks) Debian on a 486/25sx, 200 mb disk, 24 mb RAM. 26 disks to install and 1 for the boot floppy. And to think I had a good laugh yesterday about the 100 or so blank 1.44 floppy disks I have. 26 disks put the base install on the machine. It is possible to do the floppy disk thing but get the PCMCIA NIC because you will need it after the install. I didn't even have FTP on the machine after the base installation. Debian has "apt" that lets you install applications over the internet. I'm working on getting "apt" pointed to the right place. I'm having a blast in the process! :-) dang I like to learn! Sam. webmaster@mn-linux.org wrote: >A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Sun Sep 14 10:28:24 2003. > >Name: Chris Carter >Category: services >Subject: Install >Ad: I missed installfest and I have an old 586 laptop that I really want Linux on. It has a floppy drive and 2 PCMCIA ports. Also has a serial and a parellel and other connection ports. Please e-mail me with help or suggestions. > >To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: >http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sun Sep 14 20:47:16 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: <3F651779.6030300@visi.com> References: <200309141528.h8EFSQU04598@crusader.real-time.com> <3F651779.6030300@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030915014716.GA25198@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 08:35:53PM -0500, Sam MacDonald topquoted: > First get a PCMCIA NIC that's compatible with the the distro you want > to use. > and/or Get a PCMCIA SCSI card and external SCSI CDROM. > > The later may be a bit more expensive but it will be easier to do the > install. You will want a NIC any way. > The PCMCIA SCSI card and drive aren't necessary. You can do the install the same way I installed Debian on my 386 laptop (which still plays a mean game of tetris)--boot with one of the single- floppy distros (I used tomsrtbt), transfer the install files to your HDD, and then when you're starting your install, just point the installer at the image on the HDD instead of the CDROM. Continue your install from there as usual. I think fully supported PCMCIA NICs are going for under $20 these days, so no big deal there. For my install, I had to transfer the install images over a SLIP line. In driving snow, uphill both ways! PCMCIA? **LUXURY**! -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Sep 14 22:45:37 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory In-Reply-To: <3F65019C.1050503@eworld3.net> References: <3F65019C.1050503@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3600.192.1.1.23.1063597537.squirrel@dccmn.com> Problem with thinking out of the box, is sometimes you find yourself over the edge of the table too. :{)> Rick Meyerhoff said: > > >>> hack warning <<< > > Ok, here's an idea. How about a cron job that runs every minute and sets > the permissions of all the files in the directory. > > Do I get credit for "thinking outside the box"? > > Troy.A Johnson wrote: >> Make sure both users have a umask of "002" >> (and not "022"). Usually set in "/etc/bashrc" or >> "~/.bashrc" on RHL. >> >> As 'root': >> # mkdir /home/share >> # chgrp users /home/share >> # chmod g+rwxs /home/share >> >> Now files and directories created in the >> shell environment will 'do the right thing', >> but GUI shells might need tweaking, and >> access via Samba or Netatalk will need >> more configuration ("force create mode" >> and "force directory mode"). > > This sounds like the "real" solution. > >> >> >>>>>peter-clark@bethel.edu 09/10/03 11:53AM >>> >> >> Is there a way to specify that all files created in a certain >> directory >> should belong to a certain group and be writable by that group? I'd >> like to >> share (locally) a directory with my wife and have everything in that >> directory modifiable by either of us automatically, without having to >> chown >> and chmod new files every time. Both of us belong to group 'users', so >> all I >> really need to know is how to specify that all new files in the >> directory >> >> must belong to group 'users' and have g+rw access. >> Thanks, >> :Peter >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Sep 14 22:46:10 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory In-Reply-To: <3F65019C.1050503@eworld3.net> References: <3F65019C.1050503@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3601.192.1.1.23.1063597570.squirrel@dccmn.com> Problem with thinking out of the box, is sometimes you find yourself over the edge of the table too. :{)> Rick Meyerhoff said: > > >>> hack warning <<< > > Ok, here's an idea. How about a cron job that runs every minute and sets > the permissions of all the files in the directory. > > Do I get credit for "thinking outside the box"? > > Troy.A Johnson wrote: >> Make sure both users have a umask of "002" >> (and not "022"). Usually set in "/etc/bashrc" or >> "~/.bashrc" on RHL. >> >> As 'root': >> # mkdir /home/share >> # chgrp users /home/share >> # chmod g+rwxs /home/share >> >> Now files and directories created in the >> shell environment will 'do the right thing', >> but GUI shells might need tweaking, and >> access via Samba or Netatalk will need >> more configuration ("force create mode" >> and "force directory mode"). > > This sounds like the "real" solution. > >> >> >>>>>peter-clark@bethel.edu 09/10/03 11:53AM >>> >> >> Is there a way to specify that all files created in a certain >> directory >> should belong to a certain group and be writable by that group? I'd >> like to >> share (locally) a directory with my wife and have everything in that >> directory modifiable by either of us automatically, without having to >> chown >> and chmod new files every time. Both of us belong to group 'users', so >> all I >> really need to know is how to specify that all new files in the >> directory >> >> must belong to group 'users' and have g+rw access. >> Thanks, >> :Peter >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Sep 14 22:58:42 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? In-Reply-To: <003701c37aef$e7b24be0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> <000401c37ae2$d2c72550$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F64A6A5.7080200@visi.com> <20030914173305.GA31074@fandre.com> <3F64A9BB.5070907@visi.com> <003701c37aef$e7b24be0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <3F6538F2.2090809@visi.com> I put the following in /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free and deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free ********************************************************** I find it interesting that I got the following when running "apt-get update" Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/contrib/binary-i386/Release something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.org:http' (-3) *********************************************************** I got this for contrib, main, and non-free every time. Sam. David Phillips wrote: >Sam MacDonald writes: > > >>This is what is in the /etc/apt/sources.list >> >> > >Copy the second example (under "We usually find the following...") into >sources.list: > >http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-sources.list > >Then run "apt-get update". > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sun Sep 14 22:59:55 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? In-Reply-To: <3F6538F2.2090809@visi.com> References: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> <000401c37ae2$d2c72550$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F64A6A5.7080200@visi.com> <20030914173305.GA31074@fandre.com> <3F64A9BB.5070907@visi.com> <003701c37aef$e7b24be0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F6538F2.2090809@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030915035955.GA28651@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 10:58:42PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I put the following in /etc/apt/sources.list > > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free > and > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free > > ********************************************************** > I find it interesting that I got the following when running "apt-get update" > > Failed to fetch > http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/contrib/binary-i386/Release > something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.org:http' (-3) > > *********************************************************** > I got this for contrib, main, and non-free every time. > Sounds like your domain name resolution is broken. What do you have in /etc/resolv.conf? What happens when you 'ping http.us.debian.org'? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Sep 14 23:09:16 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? References: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> <000401c37ae2$d2c72550$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F64A6A5.7080200@visi.com> <20030914173305.GA31074@fandre.com> <3F64A9BB.5070907@visi.com> <003701c37aef$e7b24be0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F6538F2.2090809@visi.com> Message-ID: <002401c37b3f$215ee890$0201a8c0@brinstar> Sam MacDonald writes: > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free > and > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free That is not what I told you to do. You do not want to do that. I will be more clear. Delete /etc/apt/sources.list. Then follow my original instructions. > something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.org:http' (-3) After completing the above instructions, make sure your /etc/resolv.conf is correct. More than likely, you screwed up the format of sources.list. If not, then your DNS resolution is broken. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Sun Sep 14 22:59:55 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? In-Reply-To: <3F6538F2.2090809@visi.com> References: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> <003701c37aef$e7b24be0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F6538F2.2090809@visi.com> Message-ID: <200309142259.56145.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Sunday 14 September 2003 10:58 pm, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I put the following in /etc/apt/sources.list > > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free > and > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free Try: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free I just tried it (well, unstable), and it works. :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 15 07:48:03 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? In-Reply-To: <20030915035955.GA28651@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> <000401c37ae2$d2c72550$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F64A6A5.7080200@visi.com> <20030914173305.GA31074@fandre.com> <3F64A9BB.5070907@visi.com> <003701c37aef$e7b24be0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F6538F2.2090809@visi.com> <20030915035955.GA28651@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <3F65B503.2020702@visi.com> Now I feel Really stupid... resolv.conf was the problem. "apt-get update" is working. Thanks John :-) John J. Trammell wrote: >On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 10:58:42PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>I put the following in /etc/apt/sources.list >> >>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free >>and >>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free >> >>********************************************************** >>I find it interesting that I got the following when running "apt-get update" >> >>Failed to fetch >>http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/contrib/binary-i386/Release >>something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.org:http' (-3) >> >>*********************************************************** >>I got this for contrib, main, and non-free every time. >> >> >> > >Sounds like your domain name resolution is broken. What >do you have in /etc/resolv.conf? What happens when you >'ping http.us.debian.org'? > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Mon Sep 15 08:08:59 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thank You! Message-ID: >>> smac@visi.com 09/13/03 08:28PM >>> >I just wanted to Thank You personally for arranging the Install Fest and >for the use of the SparQ drive. I was happy to do it, and I also had a great time. My wife didn't kill me, even though I didn't get home until after 8:00. She was upset, not because of the time, but because I didn't call. You'd think I would learn. >I had a good time talking to everyone and I learned more then I needed >to, small brain... I know the feeling! >I'm still installing on my Laptop but I've found that I'm going to need >to do this differently. I have a version of Redhat with the NIC drivers >I need to complete the install, RH 5. >Thanks to you and to Toro for everything. Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Sep 14 12:46:22 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editors, an (un)biased overview... Message-ID: <20030914174622.GA12431@skuld.wookimus.net> I have to agree with David that the pico/nano interface is too simplistic, but for the uninitiated newbie, it's a functioning editor with the HOWTO staring at you from the bottom of the screen. It would be interesting to see a high-level pro/con comparison of the different editors. Anyway, here are my impressions, as biased as they are: == vi and vim == As a child of the single line editor 'ed', vi gained popularity quickly with its full-screen multi-line editing. vi retained ed's mode switching paradigm, which reduced the importance of using a META-key to execute commands. To move your cursor in vi, you enter the COMMAND mode and use the keys on home row. To insert and modify text, you enter the EDIT mode with the a, o, and i keys. The result is an economy of keystroke design, which saves coder's pinky fingers from constantly reaching for the META-key (CONTROL in most cases). Vi also sports mutiple buffers, regular expression search and replace, close tie-ins with compilers and code-editing tools. Vi IMproved, or vim, adds to the already powerful editor the ability to do syntax hilighting, split screen display, file comparison, "folding", scripting, and many, many more enhancements. Vi is also the standard editor that you will find on every UNIX, BSD, and Linux installation, given its long history and popularity amongst systems administrators. PRO(vi): Multi-mode editor, "economy of keystroke", close tie-in's to common programming tools, macros, multi-buffers widely available. PRO(vim): syntax highlighting, folding, split screen editing, scriptable, etc... CON: Higher learning curve. Multi-mode editing may be seen as too "difficult" to some users. == emacs and xemacs == One of Richard Stallman's major contributions to the Free Software community. emacs is sometimes referred to as the "Other Operating System". emacs has been a scriptable editor from the start, sporting one of the few examples of practical LISP programming. This version is coined "elisp" for its close marriage to the editor itself. It is an editor and virtual machine built into one application. Because of this scriptability and customizability, emacs quickly gained popularity amongs UNIX coders and administrators. vi still held a dedicated following, but emacs became "the" editor to use. ViM drew heavily from the features present in emacs to enhance the vi editor, but emacs was first and in some minds, best. Emacs is a META-key editor, or rather it is "the" META-key editor that "all" other META-key editors draw influence from and compare themselves to. This includes pico/nano, joe, and nedit. It uses the CONTROL key and ESCAPE key with other keys to execute commands. This simplifies editing so that multi-modes are not necessary, but it also steps away from the "economy of keystroke" design that vi demonstrates. Emacs has gained a reputation of being "bloated" because of its heavy use of elisp files. This can sometimes be traced to badly written default ".emacsrc" files that include far too many elisp files. This can slow down the startup time of the editor. Emacs literally can do anything. There some very respectible email clients and newsgroup clients written in elisp. It rightfully earned the nickname the "Other Operating System". PRO: Highly scriptable and programmable. Simple META-key bindings for most commonly used commands. Does EVERYTHING! CON: Slow startup times from poorly written .emacsrc files. META-key seen as clumsy and tiresome. High learning curve for scripting. == pico/nano == The pico editor, which is functionally copied in the GNU version called nano, is designed with simplicity in mind for the pine email client. With little training, the average user can be happily editing within minutes. PRO: Simple, functional editor. Commands listed at bottom. Good keybindings. CON: Too simple for coding and "heavy-lifting". == joe/nedit/etc ... Conclusions == There are many other editors out there that I cannot give due credit because I do not use them. Most of the editors out there are children of the ideas laid down by emacs. Sometimes these editors evolve out of college projects or pet projects to reduce the size and profile of emacs, to give a modern facelift to the "antiquated" look of XEmacs or console emacs. Some of these editors deserve to be recognized as powerful and useful, especially those that tie in run-time interpretation and syntax checking of coding languages. Some editors pop up for specific purposes, such as HTML creation, but in my book, a more general editor that is powerful enough to script or create macros is enough for most situations. The best advice I can give depends upon what you want out of an editor. If you plan on coding or editing SGML/XML/HTML documents, you may want some of the advanced features of vi and vim, or emacs and the emacs children. Try the editor out by walking through its respective tutorial. Give a respectable attempt to learn some of the more advanced features of the editor. Then formulate your own opinions. My personal opinion, if you haven't guessed, is that vim is the pentultimate editor. ;-) Long live VI! -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030914/b654f53d/attachment.pgp From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Sep 15 09:17:08 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? In-Reply-To: <3F65B503.2020702@visi.com> References: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> <000401c37ae2$d2c72550$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F64A6A5.7080200@visi.com> <20030914173305.GA31074@fandre.com> <3F64A9BB.5070907@visi.com> <003701c37aef$e7b24be0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F6538F2.2090809@visi.com> <20030915035955.GA28651@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F65B503.2020702@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030915141708.GA11772@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 07:48:03AM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Now I feel Really stupid... resolv.conf was the problem. > "apt-get update" is working. > Yeah, I know the feeling. If it makes you feel any better, you're not stupid, just ignorant. :-) In all seriousness though, you should uncomment this line in your apt config: deb http://security.debian.org/ woody/updates main and re-run your update, since that will get you all the Woody security updates. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 15 09:33:41 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP? In-Reply-To: <20030915141708.GA11772@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <3F64A04E.5090001@visi.com> <000401c37ae2$d2c72550$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F64A6A5.7080200@visi.com> <20030914173305.GA31074@fandre.com> <3F64A9BB.5070907@visi.com> <003701c37aef$e7b24be0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F6538F2.2090809@visi.com> <20030915035955.GA28651@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F65B503.2020702@visi.com> <20030915141708.GA11772@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <3F65CDC5.9000302@visi.com> Ahhhhhhhh I'm 1 step a head of you this time :-) Sam. John J. Trammell wrote: >On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 07:48:03AM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>Now I feel Really stupid... resolv.conf was the problem. >>"apt-get update" is working. >> >> >> > >Yeah, I know the feeling. If it makes you feel any better, >you're not stupid, just ignorant. :-) > >In all seriousness though, you should uncomment this line >in your apt config: > > deb http://security.debian.org/ woody/updates main > >and re-run your update, since that will get you all the Woody >security updates. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Sep 15 09:30:26 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 486sx Laptop w/24mb RAM & 200mb Disk In-Reply-To: <001b01c37ada$9e5d4e00$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, David Phillips wrote: > The Pico interface sucks. It doesn't even have search and replace. If you > want an editor that is easy to use, yet has many powerful features, try JOE. David, do you EVER stop trolling? My recommendation (to everyone, really) is to use what works for you, and not force your opinions and beliefs on everyone else. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sun Sep 14 23:09:25 2003 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory In-Reply-To: <20030912094627.5ca25b06.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <200309101153.24601.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <20030910173927.GA1492@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030912005145.66a1f55d.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F61C1D8.8000203@druswanderings.net> <20030912094627.5ca25b06.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1063598964.31176.4.camel@bigtime> > Ahh, I forgot about that... Stupid idiocies of those "distros".... > > Let's see.... > > -Setup of funky groups on users (username:username) Its called User Private Groups and its Good For You(TM). Dunno why slack doesn't seem to be bothering moving to it, everyone else did, like, 5 years ago. ;P http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/ref-guide/s1-users-groups-private-groups.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Can you give me an example? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Sun Sep 14 10:58:45 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thank You! In-Reply-To: <3F641560.3080308@visi.com> References: <3F63C42F.9030204@visi.com> <3F641560.3080308@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030914105845.64058f10.william.layer@comcast.net> Just a couple notes.. On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 02:14:40 -0500 Sam MacDonald wrote: > I think > everyone who wants to be on the more technical side needs to learn in > from the command line. Anyone who wants to really use the power of, and more importantly, be in *control* of their system, needs to understand the command line. Unlike with MS Windows, the UNIX command line is not a vestige. >X windows it tempting when it's available, > knowing the guts of the system is important. Call the Linux/UNIX GUI "X" or "The X windowing system", but never "X windows". See the XFree86 homepage for the reasons behind this. Enjoy, Bill _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Sep 15 10:23:54 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 486sx Laptop w/24mb RAM & 200mb Disk In-Reply-To: References: <001b01c37ada$9e5d4e00$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030915152354.GC17034@skuld.wookimus.net> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 09:30:26AM -0500, Jima wrote: > On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, David Phillips wrote: > > The Pico interface sucks. It doesn't even have search and replace. If you > > want an editor that is easy to use, yet has many powerful features, try JOE. > > David, do you EVER stop trolling? Whoah. Slow down that knee-jerk reaction. David's comment was rather innocuous, and I happen to agree with him. pico/nano does suck. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030915/c1f32f8a/attachment.pgp From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Sep 15 10:23:26 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editors, an (un)biased overview... In-Reply-To: <20030914174622.GA12431@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20030914174622.GA12431@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030915102326.A11985@baker.space.umn.edu> On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 12:46:22PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Emacs literally can do anything. Can it make me some toast, I could use a snack ;). > My personal opinion, if you haven't guessed, is that vim is the > pentultimate editor. ;-) Long live VI! I think that you mean ultimate. Penultimate means next to last. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Sep 15 10:38:52 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editors, an (un)biased overview... In-Reply-To: <20030915102326.A11985@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <20030914174622.GA12431@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030915102326.A11985@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20030915153852.GH681@iucha.net> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 10:23:26AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 12:46:22PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > Emacs literally can do anything. > > > Can it make me some toast, I could use a snack ;). Yes it can. > > My personal opinion, if you haven't guessed, is that vim is the > > pentultimate editor. ;-) Long live VI! > > I think that you mean ultimate. Penultimate means next to last. > > florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Sep 15 11:08:22 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editors, an (un)biased overview... In-Reply-To: <20030915102326.A11985@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <20030914174622.GA12431@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030915102326.A11985@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20030915160822.GE17034@skuld.wookimus.net> Chad> Emacs literally can do anything. Jim> Jim> Can it make me some toast, I could use a snack ;). Perhaps you mean "pedantic"? A semicolon or period would work best to break up that run-on sentance... If one wishes to be pedantic, then one must lead by example. ;-) Jim> I think that you mean ultimate. Penultimate means next to last. Yes, I do mean ultimate. My bad. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030915/c7120288/attachment.pgp From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Sep 15 11:15:48 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:47 2005 Subject: Pedantic corrections (was: Re: [TCLUG] Editors, an (un)biased overview...) In-Reply-To: <20030915160822.GE17034@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Chad> Emacs literally can do anything. > Jim> > Jim> Can it make me some toast, I could use a snack ;). > > Perhaps you mean "pedantic"? A semicolon or period would work best to > break up that run-on sentance... If one wishes to be pedantic, then one > must lead by example. ;-) Actually, I'd recommend a question mark. The first sentence did look like a query. Speaking of pedantic... ;) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Sep 15 11:18:49 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editors, an (un)biased overview... In-Reply-To: <20030915102326.A11985@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <20030914174622.GA12431@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030915102326.A11985@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20030915161849.GB15129@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 10:23:26AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 12:46:22PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > Emacs literally can do anything. > > > Can it make me some toast, I could use a snack ;). > > > My personal opinion, if you haven't guessed, is that vim is the > > pentultimate editor. ;-) Long live VI! > > I think that you mean ultimate. Penultimate means next to last. > > > Of course I mean the editor that is to come after me! /me reminds self to write editor named flintlewoodlewix -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Sep 15 11:31:24 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Offtopic] Killfiles Message-ID: <20030915163124.GF17034@skuld.wookimus.net> OK. For the terribly intolerant folk amongs us, myself included at times, I propose a couple steps before replying. I know I've been hot-headed in the past, and when I feel that my reply can be constructive rather than simply abrasive, I'll write something. I'll postpone a reply message for a period so I can go over it again, and I usually end up editing quite a bit out. * Take a deep breath and count to 100. * Do not attribute to malice what could easily be interpreted as ignorance or humor. * If it ticks you off, delete it. * If it ticks you off a lot, killfile it. * If it is a legitimate abuse, report it to the list maintainer. * Unsubscribe # Example score-based killfile in procmail. A XX^1 adds XX to the score # when a match is made. See procmailsc(5) for details. :0 * -99^0 * 50^1 ^From.*kindajerk@domain\.tld * 100^1 ^From.*realjerk@domain\.tld * 5^0.9 sucks|keyword * 50^1 ^References:.*03040503022.emailserver.tld * 50^1 ^Subject:.*Bad thread { :0 * ^Message-Id: \/.* { LOG="Killed Message-Id: $MATCH " } :0 /dev/null } -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030915/e4292077/attachment.pgp From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Sep 15 11:32:03 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:48 2005 Subject: Pedantic corrections (was: Re: [TCLUG] Editors, an (un)biased overview...) In-Reply-To: References: <20030915160822.GE17034@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030915113203.A12003@baker.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 11:15:48AM -0500, Jima wrote: > On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > Chad> Emacs literally can do anything. > > Jim> > > Jim> Can it make me some toast, I could use a snack ;). > > > > Perhaps you mean "pedantic"? A semicolon or period would work best to > > break up that run-on sentance... If one wishes to be pedantic, then one > > must lead by example. ;-) > > Actually, I'd recommend a question mark. The first sentence did look > like a query. > Speaking of pedantic... ;) Yeah, that's what I get for writing a picky email. It ends up being the buggiest one that I have written in a while. I must remember to proofread :). -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Sep 15 11:43:07 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling Message-ID: I just thought I'd qualify my earlier claims regarding David Phillips with some references. It looks to me like he's been trolling at least once a month since May. http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-May/056328.html http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-June/056807.html http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/057629.html http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/058134.html http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058615.html Chewie himself called him down for the last one: http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058624.html David's response gave some references, though: http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058695.html And the most recent: http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-September/059530.html *shrug* Just wanted to back up my accusations. If anyone thinks I'm overreacting, feel free to flame me off-list. Thanks. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Mon Sep 15 11:44:09 2003 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editors, an (un)biased overview... In-Reply-To: <20030914174622.GA12431@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20030914174622.GA12431@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <200309151142.02219.barnabas@knicknack.net> For those who unaware of this fact, the thing the helped me best understand emacs is when it was explained that the name emacs is actually an acronym. It stands for Escape, Meta, Alt, Control, Shift. Eric P.S. I'm ambidextrous; I use both vi and emacs. Or is that schizophrenia? On Sunday 14 September 2003 12:46, Chad Walstrom wrote: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben.neigebauer at compellent.com Mon Sep 15 11:53:39 2003 From: ben.neigebauer at compellent.com (Neigebauer, Ben) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling Message-ID: <146431CFD07FE94984B432636FCDF8060FB826@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> I consider these anti-trolling messages to be as annoying as the troll messages themselves. Maybe, instead of raising a big stink, you can just ignore it and go on your own way. -----Original Message----- From: Jima [mailto:jima@beer.tclug.org] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:43 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling I just thought I'd qualify my earlier claims regarding David Phillips with some references. It looks to me like he's been trolling at least once a month since May. http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-May/056328.html http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-June/056807.html http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/057629.html http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/058134.html http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058615.ht ml Chewie himself called him down for the last one: http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058624.ht ml David's response gave some references, though: http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058695.ht ml And the most recent: http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-September/059530 .html *shrug* Just wanted to back up my accusations. If anyone thinks I'm overreacting, feel free to flame me off-list. Thanks. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Mon Sep 15 12:09:54 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editors, an (un)biased overview... In-Reply-To: <200309151142.02219.barnabas@knicknack.net> References: <20030914174622.GA12431@skuld.wookimus.net> <200309151142.02219.barnabas@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20030915170954.GA64894@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Monday, Sep 15, 2003), Eric Stanley was madly tapping out: > For those who unaware of this fact, the thing the helped me best understand > emacs is when it was explained that the name emacs is actually an acronym. > It stands for Escape, Meta, Alt, Control, Shift. > > Eric > > P.S. I'm ambidextrous; I use both vi and emacs. Or is that schizophrenia? > > On Sunday 14 September 2003 12:46, Chad Walstrom wrote: > be proficient in both, a god in one. once you've achieved this you can largely ignore these threads (excepting their comedic value) and just chuckle when kids get all religious about some offbrand editor. { snipped - misc .signatures } -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 15 12:27:23 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 486sx Laptop w/24mb RAM & 200mb Disk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F65F67B.4050508@visi.com> I like the idea that if I don't want to hear what someone says in and eMail .. I delete it. ;-) Jima wrote: >On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > >>Whoah. Slow down that knee-jerk reaction. David's comment was rather >>innocuous, and I happen to agree with him. pico/nano does suck. >> >> > > Were it just that email, I'd have ignored it. This is at least the third >subject for which David has gone off on the "that sucks, use this" >tangent. I know I'm not the only one to notice it, either. > You're welcome to your beliefs; I'd just as soon not have them forced >down my throat, though. > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Sep 15 12:22:04 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:48 2005 Subject: Subject: Re: [TCLUG] apache with mod_perl and php In-Reply-To: <002101c37b99$96e68b90$47ae6742@DELL2> References: <002101c37b99$96e68b90$47ae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <20030915172204.GA17036@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 09:56:48AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > Prior to sending this post I have built and installed apache with mod_perl. > I am not sure how to build the php module to work with this install. Can you > give me an example? > Depending on your original Apache build, it may not be as easy as building PHP and having it work. Did you build your Apache with DSO support ("mod_so")? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 15 12:30:43 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editors, an (un)biased overview... In-Reply-To: <200309151142.02219.barnabas@knicknack.net> References: <20030914174622.GA12431@skuld.wookimus.net> <200309151142.02219.barnabas@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <3F65F743.8080905@visi.com> LOLROF Eric Stanley wrote: >For those who unaware of this fact, the thing the helped me best understand >emacs is when it was explained that the name emacs is actually an acronym. >It stands for Escape, Meta, Alt, Control, Shift. > >Eric > >P.S. I'm ambidextrous; I use both vi and emacs. Or is that schizophrenia? > >On Sunday 14 September 2003 12:46, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon Sep 15 12:16:17 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 486sx Laptop w/24mb RAM & 200mb Disk In-Reply-To: <3F65F67B.4050508@visi.com> References: <3F65F67B.4050508@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030915171617.GM10449@autonomous.tv> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 12:27:23PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: >I like the idea that if I don't want to hear what someone says in and >eMail .. > >I delete it. > >;-) > >Jima wrote: > >>On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Chad Walstrom wrote: >> >> >>>Whoah. Slow down that knee-jerk reaction. David's comment was rather >>>innocuous, and I happen to agree with him. pico/nano does suck. >>> >>> >> >>Were it just that email, I'd have ignored it. This is at least the third >>subject for which David has gone off on the "that sucks, use this" >>tangent. I know I'm not the only one to notice it, either. >>You're welcome to your beliefs; I'd just as soon not have them forced >>down my throat, though. >> >> Jima >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030915/7253ecab/attachment.pgp From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 15 12:39:55 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editors Message-ID: <3F65F96B.3060803@visi.com> Well I may have been better off saying "I'll use Frontplague for web development". But I won't because I don't. I will say that as long as an editor can remind me what the heck I'm doing when I'm doing it (like editor) I'll like it. Is it Friday or Monday? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Mon Sep 15 12:52:52 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1063648372.1058.28.camel@lotsa> I've come to the conclusion that it is just his personality. The tone of his posts are annoying as hell to me. I have gone off on him as well. I know what you mean. He has also posted some useful information as well and some genuine attempts to be helpful. I find it fascinating why some of his posts piss me off so much but I see that as my problem. He obviously is very bright and knows his stuff but there is something about his attitude that gets me riled. His "that sucks, this is better, your stupid if you don't see that" attitude is really childish but I think he really believes what he says to be true. my 2 cents. On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 11:43, Jima wrote: > I just thought I'd qualify my earlier claims regarding David Phillips > with some references. > > It looks to me like he's been trolling at least once a month since May. > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-May/056328.html > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-June/056807.html > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/057629.html > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/058134.html > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058615.html > > Chewie himself called him down for the last one: > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058624.html > > David's response gave some references, though: > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058695.html > > And the most recent: > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-September/059530.html > > *shrug* Just wanted to back up my accusations. If anyone thinks I'm > overreacting, feel free to flame me off-list. > Thanks. > > Jima > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Sep 15 13:00:20 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ford & Linux? Message-ID: http://www.business.scotsman.com/technology.cfm?id=1014442003 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/32837.html Anyone seen this? Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Mon Sep 15 13:02:58 2003 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 486sx Laptop w/24mb RAM & 200mb Disk In-Reply-To: <20030915152354.GC17034@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030915125952.W63087-100000@tcfreenet.org> pico has search and replace. If you run it with pico -b I use joe every day, but pico beats it for someone who is never going to get really good at using any editor. It's just very easy to use. -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 09:30:26AM -0500, Jima wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, David Phillips wrote: > > > The Pico interface sucks. It doesn't even have search and replace. If you > > > want an editor that is easy to use, yet has many powerful features, try JOE. > > > > David, do you EVER stop trolling? > > Whoah. Slow down that knee-jerk reaction. David's comment was rather > innocuous, and I happen to agree with him. pico/nano does suck. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Mon Sep 15 13:04:15 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B037@ipserver2.interplastic.com> I think a lot of David's do it this way posts are because he has been through it before and is trying to save you time and wasted effort. I think he is further along in Linux than 80% of the people on this list. You might not like his bedside manner, but that doesn't make him wrong. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Penney [SMTP:blots@visi.com] > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 12:53 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling > > I've come to the conclusion that it is just his personality. The tone of > his posts are annoying as hell to me. I have gone off on him as well. I > know what you mean. > > He has also posted some useful information as well and some genuine > attempts to be helpful. I find it fascinating why some of his posts piss > me off so much but I see that as my problem. He obviously is very bright > and knows his stuff but there is something about his attitude that gets > me riled. His "that sucks, this is better, your stupid if you don't see > that" attitude is really childish but I think he really believes what he > says to be true. > > my 2 cents. > > > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 11:43, Jima wrote: > > I just thought I'd qualify my earlier claims regarding David Phillips > > with some references. > > > > It looks to me like he's been trolling at least once a month since May. > > > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-May/056328.html > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-June/056807.html > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/057629.html > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/058134.html > > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058615.html > > > > Chewie himself called him down for the last one: > > > > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058624.html > > > > David's response gave some references, though: > > > > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058695.html > > > > And the most recent: > > > > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-September/059530.h > tml > > > > *shrug* Just wanted to back up my accusations. If anyone thinks I'm > > overreacting, feel free to flame me off-list. > > Thanks. > > > > Jima > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- > Tom Penney > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Mon Sep 15 13:05:16 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ford & Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1063649116.1058.44.camel@lotsa> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 13:00, Jima wrote: > http://www.business.scotsman.com/technology.cfm?id=1014442003 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/32837.html > > Anyone seen this? > > Jima Saweeeet. That Rocks. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Mon Sep 15 13:13:24 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B037@ipserver2.interplastic.com> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B037@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <1063649604.1058.61.camel@lotsa> I totally agree with that. My problem is how I let his bedside manner affect me. If he would admit that there is more than one way to skin a cat, and that his way may not be the only right way, it wouldn't bother me so much. But as I said, thats _my_ problem. On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 13:04, Ryan Ware wrote: > I think a lot of David's do it this way posts are because he has been > through it before and is trying to save you time and wasted effort. I think > he is further along in Linux than 80% of the people on this list. You might > not like his bedside manner, but that doesn't make him wrong. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Penney [SMTP:blots@visi.com] > > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 12:53 PM > > To: TCLUG > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling > > > > I've come to the conclusion that it is just his personality. The tone of > > his posts are annoying as hell to me. I have gone off on him as well. I > > know what you mean. > > > > He has also posted some useful information as well and some genuine > > attempts to be helpful. I find it fascinating why some of his posts piss > > me off so much but I see that as my problem. He obviously is very bright > > and knows his stuff but there is something about his attitude that gets > > me riled. His "that sucks, this is better, your stupid if you don't see > > that" attitude is really childish but I think he really believes what he > > says to be true. > > > > my 2 cents. > > > > > > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 11:43, Jima wrote: > > > I just thought I'd qualify my earlier claims regarding David Phillips > > > with some references. > > > > > > It looks to me like he's been trolling at least once a month since May. > > > > > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-May/056328.html > > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-June/056807.html > > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/057629.html > > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/058134.html > > > > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058615.html > > > > > > Chewie himself called him down for the last one: > > > > > > > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058624.html > > > > > > David's response gave some references, though: > > > > > > > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058695.html > > > > > > And the most recent: > > > > > > > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-September/059530.h > > tml > > > > > > *shrug* Just wanted to back up my accusations. If anyone thinks I'm > > > overreacting, feel free to flame me off-list. > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Jima > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > > Tom Penney > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Mon Sep 15 13:22:47 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:49 2005 Subject: Subject: Re: [TCLUG] apache with mod_perl and php Message-ID: <060601c37bb6$5d3c8ee0$47ae6742@DELL2> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 09:56:48AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > Prior to sending this post I have built and installed apache with mod_perl. > I am not sure how to build the php module to work with this install. Can you > give me an example? > >Depending on your original Apache build, it may not be >as easy as building PHP and having it work. Did you >build your Apache with DSO support ("mod_so")? I think the ticket program says not to do a DSO . If I remember right from the last time I did this in redhat 7.1, you had to build mod_perl right with apache. It would not work right if you added it to an existing install. (it's been a while) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Sep 15 13:49:35 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030915184935.GH17034@skuld.wookimus.net> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 11:43:07AM -0500, Jima wrote: > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-May/056328.html > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-June/056807.html > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/057629.html > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/058134.html In retrospect, I don't see anything overtly trollish about these other than the repeating theme: software != djb :. software == sucks. We've come to expect it from David, because he has purchased djb stock wholesale. As such, I believe most of us have a very short fuse when it comes to his posts. Again, look at these posts as unbiased as possible. They lack some substance and references, they add a few potshots now and then, and they represent skepticism of Bazaar style software engineering. I can see why his posts rub people the wrong way. One "bad" comment labels him a troll. You can expect to find at least one David-style poster in any email list. Someone you don't agree with, and someone who has a tendency to stir up trouble from time to time. However, if you look at the resulting conversations, subsequent posts usually have some substance to them from all participating. > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058615.html > Chewie himself called him down for the last one: In retrospect, I had a knee-jerk reaction to David posting anything as a djb acolyte. People have opinions, and I won't fault him for following the lead of a somewhat elitist professor. He's not likely to have a vulnerable system because of it. Some people demand the "best" and others demand "good enough." Many of the software projects out there are "good enough" for most of us, and we're willing to make them better in our free time. David, I hope you're getting a kick out of this thread. > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-September/059530.html Like we haven't seen "@SOFTWARE@ sucks" from you before Jima. I know I've said it. Granted, I usually place a smiley face after or before it, or some bastardization of an XML markup, but is that a requirement? Again, don't attribute to malice what one can attribute to ignorance or some vague form of humor. > *shrug* Just wanted to back up my accusations. If anyone thinks I'm > overreacting, feel free to flame me off-list. I think a lot of us are over-reacting. We've all heard the phrase, "Don't feed the troll." It means, don't complain about a troll by posting another. An accusation of a troll is just as trollish as the original. This thread is an example of an OFFTOPIC discussion that doesn't really need to happen, all because someone reacted badly to a post. Edit your kill files and troll files people. I had someone recently reply to a post saying that all emails should be marked troll. In true procmail fashion, here you go: # positive score for known trolls. no score for MATCH recipe. # Mark threads with "^References:.*ORIGINMESSAGEID.HOST.TLD" :0 fhHw * -99^0 * 100^1 troll@unterbridge.net * 0^0 ^Subject: \/.* | formail -I 'Subject: [TROLL] $MATCH" -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Did you > >build your Apache with DSO support ("mod_so")? > > I think the ticket program says not to do a DSO . If I remember right from > the last time I did this in redhat 7.1, you had to build mod_perl right with > apache. It would not work right if you added it to an existing install. > > (it's been a while) > A little googling ("apache static build mod_perl mod_php") turns up: http://www.hamptonandassociates.net/apache_tips.htm Which has a recipe for making a static Apache with mod_php, mod_perl, and a few other things. I'm sure there are other pages that have similar or better examples. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Sep 15 14:11:20 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling In-Reply-To: <20030915184935.GH17034@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20030915184935.GH17034@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030915191120.GI17034@skuld.wookimus.net> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 01:49:35PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > As such, I believe most of us have a very short fuse when > it comes to his posts. If you get anything out of my last post, the above sentance is it. > They lack some substance and references... And this sounds terribly condescending, which was not my goal. I was commenting on a few select sentances or exerpts from his, hence the word "some", not the overall content of his messages. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've long given-up trying to know anything that could be construed as smart because I always find someone else that knows more then I do, I admit that doesn't take much. Sometimes they are so smart I let them do the job. ;-) I've also found that working from the command line nets specific results. The same can't be applied when working with people, people are fragile. This is Join Scouting Week and I have my Join Scouting Event tonight (Cub Scouts). If you have a Son between the ages of 6 and 11 this is the week to find a Pack and get your Son in to Scouting. I've camped with my Son 3 times this year and I expect to camp at least 2 more times before the end of 2003. I helped him learn about shooting BB guns, sling shots, and nature, I'm having more fun now then when I was a Cub Scout! http://www.joincubs.org and have your zip code handy # I know, they look like they belong on South Park... Now if your Son is over 11 it's Boy Scouts that you will need to find. I can help with that if you tell me the area where you live. I know a lot of Scout Masters from all over the Twin Cities. YiS Sam. Tom Penney wrote: >I totally agree with that. My problem is how I let his bedside manner >affect me. If he would admit that there is more than one way to skin a >cat, and that his way may not be the only right way, it wouldn't bother >me so much. But as I said, thats _my_ problem. > > >On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 13:04, Ryan Ware wrote: > > >>I think a lot of David's do it this way posts are because he has been >>through it before and is trying to save you time and wasted effort. I think >>he is further along in Linux than 80% of the people on this list. You might >>not like his bedside manner, but that doesn't make him wrong. >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Tom Penney [SMTP:blots@visi.com] >>>Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 12:53 PM >>>To: TCLUG >>>Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling >>> >>>I've come to the conclusion that it is just his personality. The tone of >>>his posts are annoying as hell to me. I have gone off on him as well. I >>>know what you mean. >>> >>>He has also posted some useful information as well and some genuine >>>attempts to be helpful. I find it fascinating why some of his posts piss >>>me off so much but I see that as my problem. He obviously is very bright >>>and knows his stuff but there is something about his attitude that gets >>>me riled. His "that sucks, this is better, your stupid if you don't see >>>that" attitude is really childish but I think he really believes what he >>>says to be true. >>> >>>my 2 cents. >>> >>> >>>On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 11:43, Jima wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I just thought I'd qualify my earlier claims regarding David Phillips >>>>with some references. >>>> >>>> It looks to me like he's been trolling at least once a month since May. >>>> >>>>http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-May/056328.html >>>>http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-June/056807.html >>>>http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/057629.html >>>>http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/058134.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058615.html >>> >>> >>>> Chewie himself called him down for the last one: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058624.html >>> >>> >>>> David's response gave some references, though: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058695.html >>> >>> >>>> And the most recent: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-September/059530.h >>>tml >>> >>> >>>> *shrug* Just wanted to back up my accusations. If anyone thinks I'm >>>>overreacting, feel free to flame me off-list. >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Jima >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>Tom Penney >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Sep 15 15:06:40 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling In-Reply-To: <3F6618C3.9070308@visi.com> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B037@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <1063649604.1058.61.camel@lotsa> <3F6618C3.9070308@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030915200640.GJ17034@skuld.wookimus.net> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 02:53:39PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > This is Join Scouting Week and > I have my Join Scouting Event tonight (Cub Scouts). Not really a plug or even trolling, just shamelessly off-topic. I did have fun in Cub and Boy Scouts as a young boy, but as an adult, I have some serious issues with the organization using it's private status to exclude social groups from membership and leadership[1,2]. My children, if I am fortunate to have any, will not be participating in any BSA sponsored programs. However, this is gravely off-topic now, and we should refrain from discussing this further on-list. ;-) I would be welcome to taking it off-list, however. I would set the "Reply-To:" field, but that'd be useless on this list. ;-) References ========== 1. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/features/jan-june00/scboyscouts.ht 2. http://www.cnn.com/2000/LAW/06/28/scotus.gay.boyscouts/ -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I did > have fun in Cub and Boy Scouts as a young boy, but as an adult, I have > some serious issues with the organization using it's private status to > exclude social groups from membership and leadership[1,2]. I enjoyed cub/boy scouts as well, until the troop leader went to jail for drug trafficking (my first experience with anything drug related -- small town), and the next one was kicked out for accusations of indecent behavior with a minor. I did learn how to tie some good knots though. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Sep 15 15:22:07 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [So OT it's crashing into the sea] Trolling Message-ID: Solution: Create a new group that only excludes only drug offenders and pedophiles. Problem solved. Next topic. >>> poptix@techmonkeys.org 09/15/03 03:14PM >>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 03:06:40PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 02:53:39PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > This is Join Scouting Week and > > I have my Join Scouting Event tonight (Cub Scouts). > Not really a plug or even trolling, just shamelessly off-topic. I did > have fun in Cub and Boy Scouts as a young boy, but as an adult, I have > some serious issues with the organization using it's private status to > exclude social groups from membership and leadership[1,2]. I enjoyed cub/boy scouts as well, until the troop leader went to jail for drug trafficking (my first experience with anything drug related -- small town), and the next one was kicked out for accusations of indecent behavior with a minor. I did learn how to tie some good knots though. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Sep 15 15:27:15 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Wildly OT] Trolling In-Reply-To: <20030915201448.GI6240@techmonkeys.org> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B037@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <1063649604.1058.61.camel@lotsa> <3F6618C3.9070308@visi.com> <20030915200640.GJ17034@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030915201448.GI6240@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030915202715.GK17034@skuld.wookimus.net> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 03:14:48PM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > I did learn how to tie some good knots though. LOL! -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Sep 15 15:46:43 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [So OT it's crashing into the sea] Trolling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030915204643.GJ6240@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 03:22:07PM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Solution: Create a new group that only excludes > only drug offenders and pedophiles. > Problem solved. > Next topic. Now now, they're referred to as people with alternative lifestyles and a genetic disease (addiction). We can't go around excluding people for their lifestyles or disabilities. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trieff at greencaremankato.com Mon Sep 15 17:06:32 2003 From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Thank You! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bruce, I would like to say Thank you to you and Toro for hosting the Installfest on Saturday. It was a good learning experience for myself. Next time, I will bring my own computer and jump right in. I still learned a lot from the many people there. The diversity of knowledge among everyone was incredible. Thanks again, Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 507-344-8314 Office 507-344-8316 Fax trieff@greencaremankato.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Broecker Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:09 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org; smac@visi.com Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Thank You! >>> smac@visi.com 09/13/03 08:28PM >>> >I just wanted to Thank You personally for arranging the Install Fest >and >for the use of the SparQ drive. I was happy to do it, and I also had a great time. My wife didn't kill me, even though I didn't get home until after 8:00. She was upset, not because of the time, but because I didn't call. You'd think I would learn. >I had a good time talking to everyone and I learned more then I needed >to, small brain... I know the feeling! >I'm still installing on my Laptop but I've found that I'm going to need >to do this differently. I have a version of Redhat with the NIC drivers >I need to complete the install, RH 5. >Thanks to you and to Toro for everything. Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Sep 15 20:37:33 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling References: Message-ID: <012201c37bf3$19febc60$0201a8c0@brinstar> Jima writes: > It looks to me like he's been trolling at least once a month The problem with that statement is that generally ``a troll is categorized by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial''. http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html You may disagree with what I say or how I say it, but that doesn't make it a troll. If you would like some examples of real trolls, browse a Slashdot article mentioning BSD, and set the comment threshold to -1. To the best of my knowledge, all facts I state are true. All opinions stated are my own. Chad Wolstrom writes: > David, I hope you're getting a kick out of this thread. Oh, definitely. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Sep 15 21:54:26 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory In-Reply-To: <1063598964.31176.4.camel@bigtime> References: <200309101153.24601.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <20030910173927.GA1492@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030912005145.66a1f55d.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F61C1D8.8000203@druswanderings.net> <20030912094627.5ca25b06.sfertch@real-time.com> <1063598964.31176.4.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <20030915215426.6967cbbb.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:09:25 -0500 Callum Lerwick wrote: > Its called User Private Groups and its Good For You(TM). Dunno why > slack doesn't seem to be bothering moving to it, everyone else did, > like, 5 years ago. ;P > =P Back at ya! lol Personally, I like how Slack sets up the home dirs. It matches the Unix distros for the most part, which is what I'm most familiar with. Even with how Slack sets up home dirs, a member of the users group (again just using default as examples) can get into the person's home dir, but cannot read/write to it. It is however executable. On an internal, non-critical system, does it really matter? -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Sep 15 22:56:34 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory References: <200309101153.24601.peter-clark@bethel.edu><20030910173927.GA1492@mail.el-swifto.com><20030912005145.66a1f55d.sfertch@real-time.com><3F61C1D8.8000203@druswanderings.net><20030912094627.5ca25b06.sfertch@real-time.com><1063598964.31176.4.camel@bigtime> <20030915215426.6967cbbb.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <000601c37c06$8519e2a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Shawn writes: > It is however executable. On an > internal, non-critical system, does it really matter? If a user does not want a world readable home directory, he can change it: chmod o-rx ~ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 15 23:01:44 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thank You! In-Reply-To: <20030914105845.64058f10.william.layer@comcast.net> References: <3F63C42F.9030204@visi.com> <3F641560.3080308@visi.com> <20030914105845.64058f10.william.layer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1063684903.9121.1112.camel@3po> On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 10:58, Bill Layer wrote: > Call the Linux/UNIX GUI "X" or "The X windowing system", but never "X > windows". See the XFree86 homepage for the reasons behind this. I usually say "X Windows" out of habit, though that's just because "X Window System" is too long a phrase. I frequently say "X11" because just saying "X" is confusing (and you don't get anything when searching on Google). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Never let school get in the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ way of your education. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030915/e84f715c/attachment.pgp From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 15 23:35:19 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editors, an (un)biased overview... In-Reply-To: <20030914174622.GA12431@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20030914174622.GA12431@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3F669307.2090706@visi.com> At one time um.... 1988 - 1990 I was a programmer. Now the systems were small but powerful. NCR made servers they called "The NCR Tower". These were systems based on the 68XXX processor and ATT UNIX. We used "vi" to code. Now the version of Cobol we used required line numbers to compile, thousands of lines. I would make my code change save it, run a script to renumber the source, and compile. Sad but true the but world was a different place. If I were a programmer I would have to agree with you that "vi" is an excellent editor. I'm not a programmer any more, I guess I just don't want to have to use a reference to use an editor. I want something simple that I don't have to task myself to use. I'm a visual learner, I learn best by observation. I can read a book all day long, if I can't physically apply what's in the book, I can't retain the information. I need visual clues to make things function. I'm now going to take issue with the original statement. "The Pico interface sucks" I need visual clues to make things function, therefore this statement is invalid for me. I don't need the power of "vi" or "vim", I just want to edit a configuration file. Simple does not suck because complex is in some way better. BTW I installed "apt-get -f install joe" and I like "joe" even better [ctrl-kh] then "editor'. It's what I want in an editor, and I get to type "joe" to start the editor. Think of what Cindy will say when she sees my new resume, "did you use Word to write this?" "no I used joe." Sam Chad Walstrom wrote: >I have to agree with David that the pico/nano interface is too >simplistic, but for the uninitiated newbie, it's a functioning editor >with the HOWTO staring at you from the bottom of the screen. It would >be interesting to see a high-level pro/con comparison of the different >editors. Anyway, here are my impressions, as biased as they are: > >== vi and vim == >As a child of the single line editor 'ed', vi gained popularity quickly >with its full-screen multi-line editing. vi retained ed's mode >switching paradigm, which reduced the importance of using a META-key to >execute commands. To move your cursor in vi, you enter the COMMAND >mode and use the keys on home row. To insert and modify text, you enter >the EDIT mode with the a, o, and i keys. The result is an economy of >keystroke design, which saves coder's pinky fingers from constantly >reaching for the META-key (CONTROL in most cases). > >Vi also sports mutiple buffers, regular expression search and replace, >close tie-ins with compilers and code-editing tools. Vi IMproved, or >vim, adds to the already powerful editor the ability to do syntax >hilighting, split screen display, file comparison, "folding", scripting, >and many, many more enhancements. > >Vi is also the standard editor that you will find on every UNIX, BSD, >and Linux installation, given its long history and popularity amongst >systems administrators. > > PRO(vi): Multi-mode editor, "economy of keystroke", close tie-in's > to common programming tools, macros, multi-buffers widely > available. > PRO(vim): syntax highlighting, folding, split screen editing, > scriptable, etc... > CON: Higher learning curve. Multi-mode editing may be seen as too > "difficult" to some users. > >== emacs and xemacs == >One of Richard Stallman's major contributions to the Free Software >community. emacs is sometimes referred to as the "Other Operating >System". emacs has been a scriptable editor from the start, sporting >one of the few examples of practical LISP programming. This version is >coined "elisp" for its close marriage to the editor itself. It is an >editor and virtual machine built into one application. Because of this >scriptability and customizability, emacs quickly gained popularity >amongs UNIX coders and administrators. > >vi still held a dedicated following, but emacs became "the" editor to >use. ViM drew heavily from the features present in emacs to enhance the >vi editor, but emacs was first and in some minds, best. > >Emacs is a META-key editor, or rather it is "the" META-key editor that >"all" other META-key editors draw influence from and compare themselves >to. This includes pico/nano, joe, and nedit. It uses the CONTROL key >and ESCAPE key with other keys to execute commands. This simplifies >editing so that multi-modes are not necessary, but it also steps away >from the "economy of keystroke" design that vi demonstrates. > >Emacs has gained a reputation of being "bloated" because of its heavy >use of elisp files. This can sometimes be traced to badly written >default ".emacsrc" files that include far too many elisp files. This >can slow down the startup time of the editor. > >Emacs literally can do anything. There some very respectible email >clients and newsgroup clients written in elisp. It rightfully earned >the nickname the "Other Operating System". > > PRO: Highly scriptable and programmable. Simple META-key bindings > for most commonly used commands. Does EVERYTHING! > CON: Slow startup times from poorly written .emacsrc files. > META-key seen as clumsy and tiresome. High learning curve for > scripting. > >== pico/nano == >The pico editor, which is functionally copied in the GNU version called >nano, is designed with simplicity in mind for the pine email client. >With little training, the average user can be happily editing within >minutes. > > PRO: Simple, functional editor. Commands listed at bottom. > Good keybindings. > CON: Too simple for coding and "heavy-lifting". > >== joe/nedit/etc ... Conclusions == >There are many other editors out there that I cannot give due credit >because I do not use them. Most of the editors out there are children >of the ideas laid down by emacs. Sometimes these editors evolve out of >college projects or pet projects to reduce the size and profile of >emacs, to give a modern facelift to the "antiquated" look of XEmacs or >console emacs. Some of these editors deserve to be recognized as >powerful and useful, especially those that tie in run-time >interpretation and syntax checking of coding languages. > >Some editors pop up for specific purposes, such as HTML creation, but in >my book, a more general editor that is powerful enough to script or >create macros is enough for most situations. > >The best advice I can give depends upon what you want out of an editor. >If you plan on coding or editing SGML/XML/HTML documents, you may want >some of the advanced features of vi and vim, or emacs and the emacs >children. Try the editor out by walking through its respective >tutorial. Give a respectable attempt to learn some of the more advanced >features of the editor. Then formulate your own opinions. > >My personal opinion, if you haven't guessed, is that vim is the >pentultimate editor. ;-) Long live VI! > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 15 23:50:38 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thank You! In-Reply-To: <20030914105845.64058f10.william.layer@comcast.net> References: <3F63C42F.9030204@visi.com> <3F641560.3080308@visi.com> <20030914105845.64058f10.william.layer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F66969E.2060404@visi.com> "holy crap" every time I open my eMail I'm putting my foot in it. What on the xfree86 home page makes this definition? As far as I'm concerned Anderson makes the best window system in the world! Dem winders are made in Minnesota ya know! Sam. Bill Layer wrote: >Just a couple notes.. > >On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 02:14:40 -0500 >Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > >>I think >>everyone who wants to be on the more technical side needs to learn in >>from the command line. >> >> > >Anyone who wants to really use the power of, and more importantly, be in *control* of their system, needs to understand the command line. Unlike with MS Windows, the UNIX command line is not a vestige. > > > >>X windows it tempting when it's available, >>knowing the guts of the system is important. >> >> > >Call the Linux/UNIX GUI "X" or "The X windowing system", but never "X windows". See the XFree86 homepage for the reasons behind this. > >Enjoy, Bill > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 16 00:03:36 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Login Message on Debian Message-ID: <3F6699A8.9040505@visi.com> How do I change the following so I does not display again? *************************** Most of the programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are freely redistributable; the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the individual files in the /usr/share/doc/*/copyright Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law. *************************** Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Tue Sep 16 00:19:55 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Login Message on Debian In-Reply-To: <3F6699A8.9040505@visi.com> References: <3F6699A8.9040505@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030916001955.05f3a192.william.layer@comcast.net> On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:03:36 -0500 Sam MacDonald wrote: > How do I change the following so I does not display again? Take a look at /etc/motd, /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net Bill _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Sep 16 00:24:43 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Login Message on Debian References: <3F6699A8.9040505@visi.com> Message-ID: <000e01c37c12$d5b32990$0201a8c0@brinstar> Sam MacDonald writes: > How do I change the following so I does not display again? See motd(5). i.e. run "man 5 motd" -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Sep 16 02:19:16 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory In-Reply-To: <000601c37c06$8519e2a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20030915215426.6967cbbb.sfertch@real-time.com> <000601c37c06$8519e2a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030916071916.GO6240@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 10:56:34PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > If a user does not want a world readable home directory, he can change it: > > chmod o-rx ~ Do you trust every single program you run to not set a file g+rw? The issue isn't readable home directories, it's readable files, bad umask, and naughty programs that write group read/write-able files. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Sep 16 02:20:54 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thank You! In-Reply-To: <3F66969E.2060404@visi.com> References: <3F63C42F.9030204@visi.com> <3F641560.3080308@visi.com> <20030914105845.64058f10.william.layer@comcast.net> <3F66969E.2060404@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030916072054.GP6240@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 11:50:38PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > "holy crap" every time I open my eMail I'm putting my foot in it. > > What on the xfree86 home page makes this definition? > > As far as I'm concerned Anderson makes the best window system in the world! > Dem winders are made in Minnesota ya know! Bah! I stayed in a drafty apartment for 2 years before moving out, taking down the blinds for cleaning, and seeing that the windows opened from the bottom AND the top, thus the reason for the draft. Texans don't have any such sillyness. > > Sam. > -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Sep 16 04:42:04 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling In-Reply-To: <012201c37bf3$19febc60$0201a8c0@brinstar>; from david@acz.org on Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 08:37:33PM -0500 References: <012201c37bf3$19febc60$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030916044204.C8108@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 08:37:33PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Jima writes: > > It looks to me like he's been trolling at least once a month > > The problem with that statement is that generally ``a troll is categorized > by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial''. > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html 01234567 Troll-o-Meter ^ > You may disagree with what I say or how I say it, but that doesn't make it a > troll. If you would like some examples of real trolls, browse a Slashdot > article mentioning BSD, and set the comment threshold to -1. 01234567 Troll-o-Meter ^ > To the best of my knowledge, all facts I state are true. All opinions > stated are my own. > > > Chad Wolstrom writes: > > David, I hope you're getting a kick out of this thread. > > Oh, definitely. > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Sep 16 05:34:43 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory In-Reply-To: <20030916071916.GO6240@techmonkeys.org> References: <20030915215426.6967cbbb.sfertch@real-time.com> <000601c37c06$8519e2a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030916071916.GO6240@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030916053443.2f04af5a.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 02:19:16 -0500 "Matthew S. Hallacy" wrote: > Do you trust every single program you run to not set a file g+rw? The > issue isn't readable home directories, it's readable files, bad umask, > and naughty programs that write group read/write-able files. > Here's what happens when as a standard user on my Slack box tries to do an ls within another's home directory with files/subdirs that are set as 777: sfertch@ttkd:~$ cd ../shawnf sfertch@ttkd:/home/shawnf$ ls /bin/ls: .: Permission denied Here's the home directory permissions: sfertch@ttkd:/home$ ls -al total 29 drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Aug 18 10:59 ./ drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 1024 Jul 22 07:37 ../ drwx------ 2 root root 16384 Feb 22 2003 lost+found/ drwx--x--x 8 sfertch users 4096 Mar 25 08:33 sfertch/ drwx--x--x 21 shawnf users 4096 Sep 16 05:16 shawnf/ I'm not saying which is right, or which is wrong. I'm saying that this works for me, and I don't mind. Again, I don't keep critical personal information on my systems. If I need to set tighter security I will on the homedirs. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 16 07:49:05 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Login Message on Debian In-Reply-To: <20030916001955.05f3a192.william.layer@comcast.net> References: <3F6699A8.9040505@visi.com> <20030916001955.05f3a192.william.layer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F6706C1.4040602@visi.com> Thank you, I wasn't sure if it was motd or something deeper in the OS. Sam. Bill Layer wrote: >On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:03:36 -0500 >Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > >>How do I change the following so I does not display again? >> >> > >Take a look at /etc/motd, /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net > >Bill > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Sep 16 07:42:52 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thank You! In-Reply-To: <3F66969E.2060404@visi.com> References: <3F63C42F.9030204@visi.com> <3F641560.3080308@visi.com> <20030914105845.64058f10.william.layer@comcast.net> <3F66969E.2060404@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030916124251.GA14269@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 11:50:38PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > "holy crap" every time I open my eMail I'm putting my foot in it. > > What on the xfree86 home page makes this definition? > > As far as I'm concerned Anderson makes the best window system in the world! > Dem winders are made in Minnesota ya know! > Dude, it's "Andersen". -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 16 07:58:58 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thank You! In-Reply-To: <20030916124251.GA14269@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <3F63C42F.9030204@visi.com> <3F641560.3080308@visi.com> <20030914105845.64058f10.william.layer@comcast.net> <3F66969E.2060404@visi.com> <20030916124251.GA14269@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <3F670912.1040809@visi.com> ya sure but ya know I be from Detroit ya know. John J. Trammell wrote: >On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 11:50:38PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>"holy crap" every time I open my eMail I'm putting my foot in it. >> >>What on the xfree86 home page makes this definition? >> >>As far as I'm concerned Anderson makes the best window system in the world! >>Dem winders are made in Minnesota ya know! >> >> >> > >Dude, it's "Andersen". > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Sep 16 08:12:45 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory References: <20030915215426.6967cbbb.sfertch@real-time.com> <000601c37c06$8519e2a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030916071916.GO6240@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <003101c37c54$380d5200$0201a8c0@brinstar> Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > Do you trust every single program you run to not set a file g+rw? The > issue isn't readable home directories, it's readable files, bad > umask, and naughty programs that write group read/write-able files. UNIX permissions don't work that way. If a user does not have search permission for a component of a path (i.e. the home directory), then he will not be able to access anything below it. The POSIX description for open(2) specifies that EACCES can occur when ``Search permission is denied on a component of the path prefix''. http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/functions/open.html http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/basedefs/sys/stat.h.html -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Tue Sep 16 08:29:44 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Login Message on Debian In-Reply-To: <3F6699A8.9040505@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 12:03:36AM -0500 References: <3F6699A8.9040505@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030916082944.A31488@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 12:03:36AM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > How do I change the following so I does not display again? > > *************************** > Most of the programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are > freely redistributable; the exact distribution terms for each program > are described in the individual files in the /usr/share/doc/*/copyright > > Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent > permitted by applicable law. > *************************** fgrep is useful to search for key words in config files or source code: fgrep -ri "Most of" /etc/ | more Sam, you said you liked visual tools, one of my favorites is Midnight Commander(mc), its modeled after Norton Commander for MSDOS. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Sep 16 08:55:32 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory In-Reply-To: <003101c37c54$380d5200$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20030915215426.6967cbbb.sfertch@real-time.com> <000601c37c06$8519e2a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030916071916.GO6240@techmonkeys.org> <003101c37c54$380d5200$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030916135532.GQ6240@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 08:12:45AM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > UNIX permissions don't work that way. If a user does not have search > permission for a component of a path (i.e. the home directory), then he will > not be able to access anything below it. [snip] Where did I mention $HOME? Most bad programs happily write all kinds of things to /tmp (ignoring personal $TMP directories) with bad permissions, usually leading to a file hanging out in /tmp that's group readable and or writable. It's only worse whem $HOME has poor permissions due to say, $HOME/public_html, where $HOME is a+x so the apache user can traverse into it. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 16 09:01:39 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Login Message on Debian In-Reply-To: <20030916082944.A31488@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F6699A8.9040505@visi.com> <20030916082944.A31488@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F6717C3.2030901@visi.com> Wow! I haven't heard the words "Norton Commander" for years. My only issue is disk space, the machine I'm using only has a 200mb disk and 40 of that is swap. I have about 56mb free and I'm being very stingy about using disk space. I'll look in to "mc" because I would to see a visual tree of the Debian Linux file system. Karl Bongers wrote: >On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 12:03:36AM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>How do I change the following so I does not display again? >> >>*************************** >>Most of the programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are >>freely redistributable; the exact distribution terms for each program >>are described in the individual files in the /usr/share/doc/*/copyright >> >>Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent >>permitted by applicable law. >>*************************** >> >> > >fgrep is useful to search for key words in config files or source code: >fgrep -ri "Most of" /etc/ | more >Sam, you said you liked visual tools, one of my favorites is >Midnight Commander(mc), its modeled after Norton Commander for MSDOS. > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Tue Sep 16 09:06:20 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 486sx Laptop w/24mb RAM & 200mb Disk In-Reply-To: <20030915171617.GM10449@autonomous.tv> References: <3F65F67B.4050508@visi.com> <20030915171617.GM10449@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <3F6718DC.20204@eworld3.net> LOL Spencer Butler wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 12:27:23PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > >>I like the idea that if I don't want to hear what someone says in and >>eMail .. >> >>I delete it. >> >>;-) >> >>Jima wrote: >> >> >>>On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Chad Walstrom wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Whoah. Slow down that knee-jerk reaction. David's comment was rather >>>>innocuous, and I happen to agree with him. pico/nano does suck. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>Were it just that email, I'd have ignored it. This is at least the third >>>subject for which David has gone off on the "that sucks, use this" >>>tangent. I know I'm not the only one to notice it, either. >>>You're welcome to your beliefs; I'd just as soon not have them forced >>>down my throat, though. >>> >>> Jima >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Tue Sep 16 09:38:08 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Source code scanning tool ... Message-ID: <014f01c37c60$26418a80$d037630a@dh.com> Hey all! I am looking for a source code scanning tool that can find tokens withing the code and then output what functions (in C or C++) the tokens were found in. Is there such a tool? I would think that since a compiler does this anyway, a simple tool ought to be available. Thanks in advance, Tom Veldhouse _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Sep 16 09:47:33 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Source code scanning tool ... In-Reply-To: <014f01c37c60$26418a80$d037630a@dh.com> References: <014f01c37c60$26418a80$d037630a@dh.com> Message-ID: <20030916144732.GA27765@iucha.net> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:38:08AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I am looking for a source code scanning tool that can find tokens withing > the code and then output what functions (in C or C++) the tokens were found > in. Is there such a tool? I would think that since a compiler does this > anyway, a simple tool ought to be available. ctags, cscope, cheers, florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The mail message will be one of "You have new mail.", "You have mail.", or "No Mail." according to the condition of your mailbox. So, to "shut off" motd display: shell$ touch ~/.hushlogin -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030916/5ce35a06/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Sep 16 09:49:02 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Source code scanning tool ... In-Reply-To: <014f01c37c60$26418a80$d037630a@dh.com> References: <014f01c37c60$26418a80$d037630a@dh.com> Message-ID: <20030916144902.GN17034@skuld.wookimus.net> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:38:08AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I am looking for a source code scanning tool that can find tokens > withing the code and then output what functions (in C or C++) the > tokens were found in. Is there such a tool? I would think that since > a compiler does this anyway, a simple tool ought to be available. Yeah, it's called ctags or exuberant ctags. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030916/7d176aec/attachment.pgp From rick at eworld3.net Tue Sep 16 09:52:16 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Source code scanning tool ... In-Reply-To: <014f01c37c60$26418a80$d037630a@dh.com> References: <014f01c37c60$26418a80$d037630a@dh.com> Message-ID: <3F6723A0.6060901@eworld3.net> Do you mean something that looks for a string in the source and tells you the function in which that string appears? I don't know of anything like that. Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Hey all! > > I am looking for a source code scanning tool that can find tokens withing > the code and then output what functions (in C or C++) the tokens were found > in. Is there such a tool? I would think that since a compiler does this > anyway, a simple tool ought to be available. > > Thanks in advance, > > Tom Veldhouse > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Sep 16 09:58:40 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Source code scanning tool ... References: <014f01c37c60$26418a80$d037630a@dh.com> <20030916144732.GA27765@iucha.net> Message-ID: <3F672520.4000700@structural-wood.com> Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:38:08AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > >>I am looking for a source code scanning tool that can find tokens withing >>the code and then output what functions (in C or C++) the tokens were found >>in. Is there such a tool? I would think that since a compiler does this >>anyway, a simple tool ought to be available. > > > ctags, > cscope, > cheers, > > florin > I recommend all the above tools as well. For completeness sake, there is also the "Source Navigator". Here is the freshmeat blurb. Source-Navigator 5.1.3 by Mo (http://freshmeat.net/~momomoofthejungle/) Thursday, April 10th 2003 13:59 About: Source-Navigator is a source code analysis tool. With it, you can edit your source code, display relationships between classes and functions and members, and display call trees. You can also build your projects, either with your own makefile, or by using Source-Navigator's build system to automatically generate a makefile. It works with the Insight GUI interface for GDB, and supports C, C++, Java, Tcl, [incr Tcl], FORTRAN, and COBOL, and provides an SDK so that you can write your own parsers. Changes: Batch mode has been fixed so that the project file is not deleted. Keyboard menu shortcuts via the Alt key, symbol browser sorting after a save, tab processing issues in the editor, the build window when used with Cygwin, a problem with dialog flashing on screen twice, the icon for private members in the class browser, and processing of VC++ compiler errors in the build tool have all been fixed. File mod status is removed after all changes are undone. Build notes have been updated to address a bug in Cygwin grep. It will use insight as a debugger name instead of gdb, and center dialogs properly. Release focus: Minor bugfixes License: GNU General Public License (GPL) Project URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/source-navigator/ Homepage: http://freshmeat.net/redir/source-navigator/9831/url_homepage/sourcenav.sourceforge.net Tar/GZ: http://freshmeat.net/redir/source-navigator/9831/url_tgz/sourcenav-5.1.3.tar.gz Changelog: http://freshmeat.net/redir/source-navigator/9831/url_changelog/vnd.viewcvs-markup CVS tree (cvsweb): http://freshmeat.net/redir/source-navigator/9831/url_cvs/sourcenav _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Tue Sep 16 10:04:29 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling In-Reply-To: <012201c37bf3$19febc60$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <11F6171D-E857-11D7-A59F-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> On Monday, Sep 15, 2003, at 20:37 US/Central, David Phillips wrote: > Jima writes: >> It looks to me like he's been trolling at least once a month > > The problem with that statement is that generally ``a troll is > categorized > by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly > controversial''. A jackass by any other name is still a jackass. > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html > > You may disagree with what I say or how I say it, but that doesn't > make it a > troll. If you would like some examples of real trolls, browse a > Slashdot > article mentioning BSD, and set the comment threshold to -1. While you make a valid point, your posts are hardly any better. > To the best of my knowledge, all facts I state are true. All opinions > stated are my own. I, nor many other people would disagree with this statement. It is however how you come off that seems to set people on edge. Try re-thinking your posts from how a reader (who doesn't know you for example) might construe your statements. How might the casual observer _perceive_ your intent. It might help lighten the atmosphere a bit and make the list more enjoyable _and_ productive. > > Chad Wolstrom writes: >> David, I hope you're getting a kick out of this thread. > > Oh, definitely. You might want to get a hobby if you think this is fun. -- Ben Lutgens http://us-admins.com/~blutgens/ US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tim at lparetail.com Tue Sep 16 10:16:30 2003 From: tim at lparetail.com (Tim Lano) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thank you References: <1063648372.1058.28.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <00bb01c37c65$82ab9590$5d00000a@lpadomain> Last week I was in a real technology bind. I needed good LINUX help quickly. I posted a request for help on this discussion board and within an hour I had some replies and within 3 hours I had some outstanding help on sight. Rick Meyerhoff came to the rescue and handled the situation with competence and professionalism. In addition, I received other calls with the offer to assist. I have been in this business for 27 years and cannot remember the last time I received such prompt, courteous and professional help. Thank you Rick, and thank you to the others who followed up with the offer of assistance. Tim Lano President LPA Retail Systems, Inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Penney" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling > I've come to the conclusion that it is just his personality. The tone of > his posts are annoying as hell to me. I have gone off on him as well. I > know what you mean. > > He has also posted some useful information as well and some genuine > attempts to be helpful. I find it fascinating why some of his posts piss > me off so much but I see that as my problem. He obviously is very bright > and knows his stuff but there is something about his attitude that gets > me riled. His "that sucks, this is better, your stupid if you don't see > that" attitude is really childish but I think he really believes what he > says to be true. > > my 2 cents. > > > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 11:43, Jima wrote: > > I just thought I'd qualify my earlier claims regarding David Phillips > > with some references. > > > > It looks to me like he's been trolling at least once a month since May. > > > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-May/056328.html > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-June/056807.html > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/057629.html > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/058134.html > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058615.html > > > > Chewie himself called him down for the last one: > > > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058624.html > > > > David's response gave some references, though: > > > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058695.html > > > > And the most recent: > > > > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-September/059530.html > > > > *shrug* Just wanted to back up my accusations. If anyone thinks I'm > > overreacting, feel free to flame me off-list. > > Thanks. > > > > Jima > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- > Tom Penney > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Sep 16 10:42:36 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH explot Message-ID: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> Doh! http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/16/1327248.shtml?tid=126&tid=172 They suggest switching to lsh. Anyone using lsh? Does it support everything OpenSSH does? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Tue Sep 16 10:57:06 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH explot In-Reply-To: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> References: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3F6732D2.5090006@druswanderings.net> Clay Fandre wrote: > Doh! > http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/16/1327248.shtml?tid=126&tid=172 > > They suggest switching to lsh. Anyone using lsh? Does it support > everything OpenSSH does? > Debian stable already has an update available. apt-get away! -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Tue Sep 16 10:58:36 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH explot In-Reply-To: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> References: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> Message-ID: <200309161058.36876.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Tuesday 16 September 2003 10:42 am, Clay Fandre wrote: > Doh! > http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/16/1327248.shtml?tid=126&tid=172 > > They suggest switching to lsh. Anyone using lsh? Does it support > everything OpenSSH does? Re:interesting comment on how to stop it... (Score:5, Informative) by jsprat (442568) on Tuesday September 16, @11:16AM (#6975567) Before anyone "upgrades" to lsh, here's the README: This directory contains snapshots of lsh development. lsh is a free implementation of the ssh protocol. lsh is far from finished; don't expect these snapshots to compile or work, and even if they appear to work, beware that lsh currently does *NOT* provide any security at all. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Sep 16 10:59:54 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH explot In-Reply-To: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> References: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030916155954.GA19380@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 10:42:36AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > Doh! > http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/16/1327248.shtml?tid=126&tid=172 > Thanks for the heads-up! % apt-get update % apt-get upgrade > They suggest switching to lsh. Anyone using lsh? Does it support > everything OpenSSH does? > ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/security/lsh/README Yikes! -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Sep 16 11:00:04 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH explot In-Reply-To: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> References: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > They suggest switching to lsh. Anyone using lsh? Does it support > everything OpenSSH does? It's very beta. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Tue Sep 16 11:00:40 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH explot In-Reply-To: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> References: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3F6733A8.1060200@cdf123.com> Clay Fandre wrote: >Doh! >http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/16/1327248.shtml?tid=126&tid=172 > >They suggest switching to lsh. Anyone using lsh? Does it support >everything OpenSSH does? > There was also a post on that article about the README file for lsh. //This directory contains snapshots of lsh development. lsh is a free implementation of the ssh protocol. lsh is far from finished; don't expect these snapshots to compile or work, and even if they appear to work, beware that lsh currently does /*NOT* provide any security at all./ Personally, I just commented out the line in my firewall script to allow port 22, and I'll wait a while to see what happens. I can live without remote access for a few days. Chris Frederick //// _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sjs at visi.com Tue Sep 16 10:39:41 2003 From: sjs at visi.com (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH explot In-Reply-To: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> References: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3F672EBD.5090406@visi.com> Clay Fandre wrote: > Doh! > http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/16/1327248.shtml?tid=126&tid=172 > > They suggest switching to lsh. Anyone using lsh? Does it support > everything OpenSSH does? > Why not just upgrade to OpenSSH 3.7p1 ? I have already built and installed a Slackware .tgz from source. RPM's are available on the OpenBSD ftp server... Spencer J Sinn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Sep 16 11:54:29 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH explot In-Reply-To: <3F6732D2.5090006@druswanderings.net> References: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> <3F6732D2.5090006@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20030916165429.GB27765@iucha.net> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 10:57:06AM -0500, The Wandering Dru wrote: > Clay Fandre wrote: > >Doh! > >http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/16/1327248.shtml?tid=126&tid=172 > > > >They suggest switching to lsh. Anyone using lsh? Does it support > >everything OpenSSH does? > > > > Debian stable already has an update available. Where is it? I apt-get updated, and unstable latest is 3.6.1p2-6. The same is reported by http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ssh&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030916/6708085c/attachment.pgp From sjs at visi.com Tue Sep 16 11:59:47 2003 From: sjs at visi.com (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH explot In-Reply-To: <3F672EBD.5090406@visi.com> References: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> <3F672EBD.5090406@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F674183.4030608@visi.com> Spencer J Sinn wrote: > Clay Fandre wrote: > >> Doh! >> http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/16/1327248.shtml?tid=126&tid=172 >> >> They suggest switching to lsh. Anyone using lsh? Does it support >> everything OpenSSH does? >> > > Why not just upgrade to OpenSSH 3.7p1 ? I have already built and > installed a Slackware .tgz from source. RPM's are available on the > OpenBSD ftp server... > > Spencer J Sinn > The Slackware package I built is available at http://frogtown.dynu.com/userx/ssh This was built, by me, from source this morning. It works fine but I would recommend using the *Official* version from Slackware when it comes out. :) Thanks to Bill for hosting it. Spencer J Sinn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Tue Sep 16 12:21:02 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH explot In-Reply-To: <20030916165429.GB27765@iucha.net> References: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> <3F6732D2.5090006@druswanderings.net> <20030916165429.GB27765@iucha.net> Message-ID: <3F67467E.10700@druswanderings.net> Florin Iucha wrote: > Where is it? I apt-get updated, and unstable latest is 3.6.1p2-6. > > The same is reported by > http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ssh&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all > > florin > #(emphasis added) Debian *stable* already has an update available. The stable brach is using a patched version of 3.4. The actual version number is 3.4p1-1.1. Who knows when it will hit unstable. From what I understand this is also fixed in version 3.7. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Sep 16 12:24:24 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH explot In-Reply-To: <20030916172328.GF26615@fandre.com> References: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> <3F6732D2.5090006@druswanderings.net> <20030916165429.GB27765@iucha.net> <20030916172328.GF26615@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030916172424.GG26615@fandre.com> On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Florin Iucha wrote: > > Debian stable already has an update available. > > Where is it? I apt-get updated, and unstable latest is 3.6.1p2-6. > > The same is reported by > http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ssh&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all > Stable has v3.4 patched. http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/debian/security/2003/09/msg00082.html Unstable should be getting a new version soon. From the debian-list: On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 03:51:03PM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote: > Package: ssh > Version: 1:3.6.1p2-6 > Severity: critical > Tags: security > > Hi > > Just in case that this is no fake. I got no official OpenSSH > announcement > yet but the 3.7 release it's at least on the master ftp server. > So be prepared... :-) There's already been an NMU fixing this, and I'll be releasing 3.6.2p1-7 this evening. 3.7 includes a complete replacement PAM implementation and isn't appropriate for a hurried release into Debian. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Tue Sep 16 12:39:26 2003 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] inexpensive computers Message-ID: <011601c37c79$7ce0cc20$0300000a@net.tsinks> Has anyone heard of Builtsmart or Electronic Parts Co.? They are offering inexpensive laptops. Thanks, Tim _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Sep 16 12:55:14 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH explot In-Reply-To: <3F674183.4030608@visi.com>; from sjs@visi.com on Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 11:59:47AM -0500 References: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> <3F672EBD.5090406@visi.com> <3F674183.4030608@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030916125514.A1402@thinkunix.net> Spencer J Sinn wrote: > The Slackware package I built is available at > http://frogtown.dynu.com/userx/ssh > > This was built, by me, from source this morning. It works fine > but I would recommend using the *Official* version from Slackware > when it comes out. :) would you mind posting the build instructions (build.sh) for this package? No offense but I prefer to roll my own for the version of slack I'm running. Maybe a README would be good to saying what version of the OS you built this on. thanks, -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Tue Sep 16 13:13:04 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Source code scanning tool ... References: <014f01c37c60$26418a80$d037630a@dh.com> <20030916144732.GA27765@iucha.net> Message-ID: <025e01c37c7e$2c993ef0$d037630a@dh.com> Thanks! I was able to find the first two, but I was unable to find anything about csheers. Any help there? Thanks in advance, Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florin Iucha" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Source code scanning tool ... On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:38:08AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I am looking for a source code scanning tool that can find tokens withing > the code and then output what functions (in C or C++) the tokens were found > in. Is there such a tool? I would think that since a compiler does this > anyway, a simple tool ought to be available. ctags, cscope, cheers, florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Tue Sep 16 13:24:47 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Source code scanning tool ... References: <014f01c37c60$26418a80$d037630a@dh.com> <20030916144732.GA27765@iucha.net> Message-ID: <027d01c37c7f$cfdbb880$d037630a@dh.com> Upon further review of these, none of them seem to actually be able to simply list what functions contain the given tokens. Perhaps I can take the source code from these things and create something on my own. You have definitely put me on the right track. Thanks, Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florin Iucha" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Source code scanning tool ... On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:38:08AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I am looking for a source code scanning tool that can find tokens withing > the code and then output what functions (in C or C++) the tokens were found > in. Is there such a tool? I would think that since a compiler does this > anyway, a simple tool ought to be available. ctags, cscope, cheers, florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sjs at visi.com Tue Sep 16 13:41:20 2003 From: sjs at visi.com (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenSSH explot In-Reply-To: <20030916125514.A1402@thinkunix.net> References: <20030916154236.GD26615@fandre.com> <3F672EBD.5090406@visi.com> <3F674183.4030608@visi.com> <20030916125514.A1402@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <3F675950.4020106@visi.com> Scot Jenkins wrote: > Spencer J Sinn wrote: > >>The Slackware package I built is available at >>http://frogtown.dynu.com/userx/ssh >> >>This was built, by me, from source this morning. It works fine >>but I would recommend using the *Official* version from Slackware >>when it comes out. :) > > > would you mind posting the build instructions (build.sh) for this > package? No offense but I prefer to roll my own for the version of > slack I'm running. Maybe a README would be good to saying what version > of the OS you built this on. > > thanks, This was built for Slackware 9.0. I used doinst.sh from the -current Slackware package, openssh-3.6.1p2-i486-2.tgz If you are interested in building your ownhere is a mini-HOWTO: Download the source package. gunzip source.package.tar.gz tar xvf source.package.tar cd source.package mkdir foo/install # install is a dir in each Slack .tgz # that contains package specific installation # requirements ./configure --prefix=/local/path/to/foo # I always use foo as # build directory make make install ( YMMV on these commands. Different apps build differently. Read INSTALL, README etc ) cd foo makepkg new.package.name.tgz voila! you have a new Slack package that may or may not work depending on your install/doinst.sh script. Spencer J Sinn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Tue Sep 16 15:10:57 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2004 Calendars? Message-ID: <3F676E51.3070500@druswanderings.net> Cafe Press is pushing their 2004 calendars for the fall season. Is this something that people would be interested in? I figured we could use pictures taken at various LUG events. Maybe come up with a way of voting and then take the top 12 for the calendar. Yes? No? Other ideas? -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From np at f-matic.net Tue Sep 16 15:15:23 2003 From: np at f-matic.net (np) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search-and-replace scripting in Korn shell? Message-ID: <20030916201523.32053.qmail@mail1.qwknetllc.com> Hello list, I'm working at a used bookstore, running a fairly archaic cataloguing program which runs on an IBM AIX server (Windows machines telnet in to catalogue, run point of sale, etc.) All databases are exported in tab-delimited text format, with whatever fields you have specified to export -- all standard issue stuff. We're beginning to upload our inventory to websites, and we need to do a little tweaking to the exported database file before we upload -- basically, we need to replace the terse condition descriptions we have on the database (limited to 8 characters!) with rather more descriptive versions for online browsers.. So I need to write a script which does a search and replace (ex. search for 'NEW', replace with 'In new condition, with no blemishes," etc..) Unfortunately I'm pretty much a newbie when it comes to scripting - I've done some C, some (very minor) Bash scripting, but no Korn shell scripting at all. Could anyone offer any help in how to solve this problem? If someone could just point out a couple of commands (I'm looking into sed and awk, but not sure if this is the best place to start), I'll happily read the man pages -- I'd just like to get some tips on where to look first! thanks in advance, Nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Tue Sep 16 15:08:29 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search-and-replace scripting in Korn shell? References: <20030916201523.32053.qmail@mail1.qwknetllc.com> Message-ID: <3F676DBD.1070307@ppdonline.com> You should be able to sed that with no problem, the man pages will tell you all you need to know (it's a pretty simple sed scenario). Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Sep 16 15:34:22 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search-and-replace scripting in Korn shell? In-Reply-To: <20030916201523.32053.qmail@mail1.qwknetllc.com> References: <20030916201523.32053.qmail@mail1.qwknetllc.com> Message-ID: <20030916203422.GQ17034@skuld.wookimus.net> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 02:15:23PM -0600, np wrote: > So I need to write a script which does a search and replace (ex. > search for 'NEW', replace with 'In new condition, with no blemishes," > etc..) #/bin/sed -f # # new2used -- replace "NEW" with appropriate string # s/NEW/In new condition, with no blemishes/g # END SED SCRIPT Call this with: scriptname < infile > outfile Or, if you don't want to create a separate script: sed -e 's/NEW/In new condition, with no blemishes/' < infile > outfile -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyhow, thanks again, Nick > man sed. > > seriously, it's sed (stream editor) that will give you the search and > replace functionality that you're after. might want to make friends > with awk as well. ;-) > > when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, Sep 16, 2003), > np was madly tapping out: >> >> Hello list, >> >> I'm working at a used bookstore, running a fairly archaic cataloguing >> program which runs on an IBM AIX server (Windows machines telnet in to >> catalogue, run point of sale, etc.) All databases are exported in >> tab-delimited text format, with whatever fields you have specified to >> export -- all standard issue stuff. We're beginning to upload our inventory >> to websites, and we need to do a little tweaking to the exported database >> file before we upload -- basically, we need to replace the terse condition >> descriptions we have on the database (limited to 8 characters!) with rather >> more descriptive versions for online browsers.. >> >> So I need to write a script which does a search and replace (ex. search for >> 'NEW', replace with 'In new condition, with no blemishes," etc..) >> Unfortunately I'm pretty much a newbie when it comes to scripting - I've >> done some C, some (very minor) Bash scripting, but no Korn shell scripting >> at all. Could anyone offer any help in how to solve this problem? If >> someone could just point out a couple of commands (I'm looking into sed and >> awk, but not sure if this is the best place to start), I'll happily read >> the man pages -- I'd just like to get some tips on where to look first! >> >> thanks in advance, >> >> Nick >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org > PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Tue Sep 16 16:03:14 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Search-and-replace scripting in Korn shell? References: <20030916201523.32053.qmail@mail1.qwknetllc.com> <20030916202132.GA82552@botwerks.org> <20030916211222.23136.qmail@mail1.qwknetllc.com> Message-ID: <3F677A92.5090006@ppdonline.com> np wrote: > Thanks! Just the helpful nudge in the right direction i needed. as an > aside, I just discovered that our RS/6000 seems to have no manpages on > there at all -- "There is not an entry for awk," "There is not an > entry for sed", etc etc etc. Guess I'll have to wait til I get home to > poke around on my linux box. > Anyhow, thanks again, > Nick Google for 'man sed' and I bet you'll find someone has posted the man page on the web (usually works for me). Ben. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Sep 16 16:57:56 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search-and-replace scripting in Korn shell? In-Reply-To: <20030916201523.32053.qmail@mail1.qwknetllc.com> References: <20030916201523.32053.qmail@mail1.qwknetllc.com> Message-ID: <20030916215756.GA28981@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 02:15:23PM -0600, np wrote: > I'm working at a used bookstore, running a fairly archaic cataloguing > program which runs on an IBM AIX server (Windows machines telnet in to > catalogue, run point of sale, etc.) All databases are exported in > tab-delimited text format, with whatever fields you have specified to > export -- all standard issue stuff. We're beginning to upload our inventory > to websites, and we need to do a little tweaking to the exported database > file before we upload -- basically, we need to replace the terse condition > descriptions we have on the database (limited to 8 characters!) with rather > more descriptive versions for online browsers.. > > So I need to write a script which does a search and replace (ex. search for > 'NEW', replace with 'In new condition, with no blemishes," etc..) > Unfortunately I'm pretty much a newbie when it comes to scripting - I've > done some C, some (very minor) Bash scripting, but no Korn shell scripting > at all. Could anyone offer any help in how to solve this problem? If > someone could just point out a couple of commands (I'm looking into sed and > awk, but not sure if this is the best place to start), I'll happily read > the man pages -- I'd just like to get some tips on where to look first! > One possible solution: perl -pi.bak -e 's/NEW/In new condition, with no blemishes/' file1 file2 ... -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 16 18:34:30 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting file attributes in a directory In-Reply-To: <20030916071916.GO6240@techmonkeys.org> References: <20030915215426.6967cbbb.sfertch@real-time.com> <000601c37c06$8519e2a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030916071916.GO6240@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <1063755270.9121.1171.camel@3po> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 02:19, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 10:56:34PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > > If a user does not want a world readable home directory, he can change it: > > > > chmod o-rx ~ > > Do you trust every single program you run to not set a file g+rw? The issue > isn't readable home directories, it's readable files, bad umask, and naughty > programs that write group read/write-able files. Well, a good umask value can help sometimes. Setting umask to 027 would prevent most programs from making world-readable files. Some apps would undoubtedly ignore/override those permissions, but not too many... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ The BFI is after me! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030916/1e48e26b/attachment.pgp From markdeb.browne at comcast.net Tue Sep 16 18:45:23 2003 From: markdeb.browne at comcast.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Source code scanning tool ... References: <014f01c37c60$26418a80$d037630a@dh.com> Message-ID: <000401c37cac$9b294c60$1e02a8c0@zippy> I don't know the constraints of your problem, but a simple approach is GREP. This will allow you to replace a token with another, either may be code. It wont easily do symbol table manipulation If you want to roll your own fully featured compiler , look at YACC or one of its numerous kin. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: "Linux-MN" Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:38 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Source code scanning tool ... Hey all! I am looking for a source code scanning tool that can find tokens withing the code and then output what functions (in C or C++) the tokens were found in. Is there such a tool? I would think that since a compiler does this anyway, a simple tool ought to be available. Thanks in advance, Tom Veldhouse _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Tue Sep 16 19:20:38 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Search-and-replace scripting in Korn shell? In-Reply-To: <20030916211222.23136.qmail@mail1.qwknetllc.com> References: <20030916201523.32053.qmail@mail1.qwknetllc.com> <20030916202132.GA82552@botwerks.org> <20030916211222.23136.qmail@mail1.qwknetllc.com> Message-ID: <3F67A8D6.2000706@eworld3.net> I'm pretty sure that there is some variation in implementations and releases of sed and other commands. So if you don't have documentation on the version that you are using then I recommend that you should carefully check the output. You might be able to install the latest GNU versions along with their documentation but that might be more trouble than it's worth for what you have described. Just a thought or two. np wrote: > Thanks! Just the helpful nudge in the right direction i needed. as an > aside, I just discovered that our RS/6000 seems to have no manpages on > there at all -- "There is not an entry for awk," "There is not an entry > for sed", etc etc etc. Guess I'll have to wait til I get home to poke > around on my linux box. > Anyhow, thanks again, > Nick > >> man sed. >> seriously, it's sed (stream editor) that will give you the search and >> replace functionality that you're after. might want to make friends >> with awk as well. ;-) >> when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, Sep 16, 2003), np was madly >> tapping out: >> >>> >>> Hello list, >>> I'm working at a used bookstore, running a fairly archaic cataloguing >>> program which runs on an IBM AIX server (Windows machines telnet in >>> to catalogue, run point of sale, etc.) All databases are exported in >>> tab-delimited text format, with whatever fields you have specified to >>> export -- all standard issue stuff. We're beginning to upload our >>> inventory to websites, and we need to do a little tweaking to the >>> exported database file before we upload -- basically, we need to >>> replace the terse condition descriptions we have on the database >>> (limited to 8 characters!) with rather more descriptive versions for >>> online browsers.. >>> So I need to write a script which does a search and replace (ex. >>> search for 'NEW', replace with 'In new condition, with no blemishes," >>> etc..) Unfortunately I'm pretty much a newbie when it comes to >>> scripting - I've done some C, some (very minor) Bash scripting, but >>> no Korn shell scripting at all. Could anyone offer any help in how to >>> solve this problem? If someone could just point out a couple of >>> commands (I'm looking into sed and awk, but not sure if this is the >>> best place to start), I'll happily read the man pages -- I'd just >>> like to get some tips on where to look first! >>> thanks in advance, >>> Nick >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> -- >> steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org >> PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at JentgeS.NeT Tue Sep 16 20:01:27 2003 From: mj at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2004 Calendars? In-Reply-To: <3F676E51.3070500@druswanderings.net> References: <3F676E51.3070500@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <1461.199.199.150.147.1063760487.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> So would these be like those 'provocotive' Snap-On tool calendars or...? :D -mj And hence AUTHOR wrote: The Wandering Dru > Cafe Press is pushing their 2004 calendars for the fall season. Is this > something that people would be interested in? I figured we could use > pictures taken at various LUG events. Maybe come up with a way of > voting and then take the top 12 for the calendar. > > Yes? No? Other ideas? > > -- > The Wandering Dru > http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such > > Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! > http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Sep 16 22:02:20 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling In-Reply-To: <146431CFD07FE94984B432636FCDF8060FB826@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> References: <146431CFD07FE94984B432636FCDF8060FB826@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> Message-ID: <20030916220220.7ef0d569.sfertch@real-time.com> What I'd like to know is how in the hell do you guys have the time for finding all these obscure "etiquettes" of mailing lists. I mean, I hardly have time for googling to fix/enhance things... -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 16 22:12:05 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Color Message-ID: <3F67D105.7090507@visi.com> Part 1 Back in the DOS days I always liked to change my background color to blue and my foreground color to white. I did a "more" on "installer.log.1" the background turned blue and the foreground color turned white. I did a "ctrl-c" to get out of "more" and it stayed. At first I was sort of supprised and shocked, I thought I'd done something wrong. I logged out and in and it stayed. I did a "shutdown -r now" just to be sure something wasn't messed up. The screen came back, black background and white foreground, why did I restart the computer damb! I'm just sort of curious as to why it would change? guess 1 the file is more then just a log file guess 2 the file is just a log file and I fat fingered something guess 3 the file is just a log file but it has and attribute in the header that changes the color. Now that I'm 44 I need to have the change to make it easier to see the screen :-p I'm sure it's just an attribute change in a "conf" file somewhere. If I can't figure out how to make the color change I'll ask. Part 2 When my machine starts I get the prompt to login as follows. "debian login: eth0: media 10baset, silicon revision4" I'm thinking it's a timing thing because this old laptop is, well old. It would seam the final message about "eth0" coming up. just pops in after the "debian login:" prompt is displayed. Or is something odd going on...? Anyone encounter this before? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 16 22:16:08 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Color In-Reply-To: <3F67D105.7090507@visi.com> References: <3F67D105.7090507@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F67D1F8.4050404@visi.com> I figured out the color thing "setterm" Sam. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at JentgeS.NeT Tue Sep 16 22:11:29 2003 From: mj at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Color In-Reply-To: <3F67D105.7090507@visi.com> References: <3F67D105.7090507@visi.com> Message-ID: <1938.199.199.150.147.1063768289.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> And hence AUTHOR wrote: Sam MacDonald > > Now that I'm 44 I need to have the change to make it easier to see the > screen :-p I'm sure it's just an attribute change in a "conf" file > somewhere. If I can't figure out how to make the color change I'll > ask. Well you didn't ask, but I'll tell you anyway. :) setterm -background blue setterm -foreground white setterm -bold on OR... Just type 'setterm' for a whole list of nifty lil' switches. -mj _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 16 22:16:48 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling In-Reply-To: <20030916220220.7ef0d569.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <146431CFD07FE94984B432636FCDF8060FB826@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> <20030916220220.7ef0d569.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F67D220.2040202@visi.com> Thank You Shawn! :-) Shawn wrote: >What I'd like to know is how in the hell do you guys have the time for finding all these obscure "etiquettes" of mailing lists. > >I mean, I hardly have time for googling to fix/enhance things... > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 16 22:39:55 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2004 Calendars? In-Reply-To: <3F676E51.3070500@druswanderings.net> References: <3F676E51.3070500@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <3F67D78B.4010706@visi.com> I have all these wild ideas running through my head, any time someone asks for "Other ideas?" I sort of let loose. How about a calendar with a lot of Linux commands. Like a command for every day of the year, I may not need them all but I'm sure I'd get to use or play with a lot of them. I guess I'm thinking about a desk calendar, where you tear off the previous day. For a wall calendar I could see... well I couldn't put that on the wall any way, Cindy would kick my but. For a wall calendar maybe pictures of the machines we have installed and run Linux on. Could have 2 - 4 on each month. For a wall calendar, a monthly project, everyone can attempt to do the project and share the results. It would be a good learning tool for all of us newbe's. It would be a good learning tool for the experienced people because they would have to come up with and judge the projects. Maybe a prise of some sort for the most creative solution for the project "A big mug of Guinness as a prise" Sam. The Wandering Dru wrote: > Cafe Press is pushing their 2004 calendars for the fall season. Is > this something that people would be interested in? I figured we could > use pictures taken at various LUG events. Maybe come up with a way of > voting and then take the top 12 for the calendar. > > Yes? No? Other ideas? > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Tue Sep 16 22:34:14 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Color In-Reply-To: <3F67D105.7090507@visi.com> References: <3F67D105.7090507@visi.com> Message-ID: <1063769654.1058.77.camel@lotsa> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 22:12, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I did a "more" on "installer.log.1" the background turned blue and the > foreground color turned white. I did a "ctrl-c" to get out of "more" > and it stayed. I'm not sure why the more output was colored. when you quit anything with ctl-c it interrupts immediately without finishing. if you quit more with "q" like you should it probably would have changed the color back to normal before it exited. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Sep 16 22:39:46 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Color References: <3F67D105.7090507@visi.com> Message-ID: <002001c37ccd$56f8c630$0201a8c0@brinstar> Sam MacDonald writes: > I did a "shutdown -r now" just to be sure something wasn't messed up. You rarely have to restart a UNIX machine. I can think of only two common reasons that are not related to hardware issues: 1) You need to change the running kernel. 2) You need to test the startup config to make sure it works (i.e. so it works when you are not around to fix it). > I'm just sort of curious as to why it would change? > guess 1 the file is more then just a log file > [...] > guess 3 the file is just a log file but it has and attribute in > the header that changes the color. The log file contained terminal escape sequences. Every terminal has it's own escape sequences. VT100 is probably the most common. Here is a good list: http://www.termsys.demon.co.uk/vtansi.htm As an example, the following command will set yellow text on a black background. You should run "clear" after running this: echo -e "\033[0;33;40m" > When my machine starts I get the prompt to login as follows. > "debian login: eth0: media 10baset, silicon revision4" > > I'm thinking it's a timing thing because this old laptop is, well old. > It would seam the final message about "eth0" coming up. just pops in > after the "debian login:" prompt is displayed. That is precisely what is happening. Just wait for everything to startup, then press enter to get a new prompt. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 16 23:04:08 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic But Wow. Message-ID: <3F67DD38.1000505@visi.com> Sunday night I was up late working on my sniper skills in DoD. It was about midnight when I went up to bed, as usual I looked out the front window, 3 dear nibbling around my rose bushes, a doe and 2 yearling! I'm a little touchy about my roses, my wife loves em so I keeps em. I opened the front door (understand I have a street light at the end of my drive way) and they stayed!? So I sat on the stoop and talked to them for a few minutes trying to get them to leave. They wouldn't go so I sat some more until they wandered off. I'm talking about no more then 30 feet. My driveway is 50 feet long and the roses are about 20 feet from the street. I guess I would call that a "near life experience". I also keep a vegetable garden in the back yard and have had dear eat all my peppers, I now have a 6 foot fence around my garden. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Tue Sep 16 23:19:55 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic But Wow. References: <3F67DD38.1000505@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F67E0EB.1080405@cleosci.com> That's cool about the Deer... where I work I often have a few deer gazing at me from about 8 feet away as I go out and walk to my car in the evenings. On the rose front though, we grow roses too; I always spray them with Orthenex to keep the aphids from eating them (as we don't use them in salads or anything ourselves). I wonder if that would be enough to make the deer sick to their stomachs hence forth not finding your rose garden a suitable dinner plate...? Garrett Sam MacDonald wrote: > Sunday night I was up late working on my sniper skills in DoD. It was > about midnight when I went up to bed, as usual I looked out the front > window, 3 dear nibbling around my rose bushes, a doe and 2 yearling! > I'm a little touchy about my roses, my wife loves em so I keeps em. I > opened the front door (understand I have a street light at the end of > my drive way) and they stayed!? So I sat on the stoop and talked to > them for a few minutes trying to get them to leave. They wouldn't go > so I sat some more until they wandered off. I'm talking about no more > then 30 feet. My driveway is 50 feet long and the roses are about 20 > feet from the street. > > I guess I would call that a "near life experience". > > I also keep a vegetable garden in the back yard and have had dear eat > all my peppers, I now have a 6 foot fence around my garden. > > Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sjs at visi.com Wed Sep 17 00:19:55 2003 From: sjs at visi.com (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic But Wow. In-Reply-To: <3F67E0EB.1080405@cleosci.com> References: <3F67DD38.1000505@visi.com> <3F67E0EB.1080405@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <3F67EEFB.6010504@visi.com> gkrueger wrote: > That's cool about the Deer... where I work I often have a few deer > gazing at me from about 8 feet away as I go out and walk to my car in > the evenings. > > On the rose front though, we grow roses too; I always spray them with > Orthenex to keep the aphids from eating them (as we don't use them in > salads or anything ourselves). I wonder if that would be enough to make > the deer sick to their stomachs hence forth not finding your rose garden > a suitable dinner plate...? > > Garrett > > Sam MacDonald wrote: > >> Sunday night I was up late working on my sniper skills in DoD. It was >> about midnight when I went up to bed, as usual I looked out the front >> window, 3 dear nibbling around my rose bushes, a doe and 2 yearling! >> I'm a little touchy about my roses, my wife loves em so I keeps em. I >> opened the front door (understand I have a street light at the end of >> my drive way) and they stayed!? So I sat on the stoop and talked to >> them for a few minutes trying to get them to leave. They wouldn't go >> so I sat some more until they wandered off. I'm talking about no more >> then 30 feet. My driveway is 50 feet long and the roses are about 20 >> feet from the street. >> >> I guess I would call that a "near life experience". >> >> I also keep a vegetable garden in the back yard and have had dear eat >> all my peppers, I now have a 6 foot fence around my garden. >> >> Sam. > Try scattering a lot of moth balls around the garden. The smell keeps the squirrels out. It might work on deer. YMMV. Spencer J Sinn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Wed Sep 17 02:25:01 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic But Wow. In-Reply-To: <3F67DD38.1000505@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 11:04:08PM -0500 References: <3F67DD38.1000505@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030917022501.A26913@thinkunix.net> I had 2 racoons on my lawn last night. I live in SW Minneapolis, in the city. Don't know where they came from but they seemed lost and pretty tame. Sam MacDonald wrote: > Sunday night I was up late working on my sniper skills in DoD. It was > about midnight when I went up to bed, as usual I looked out the front > window, 3 dear nibbling around my rose bushes, a doe and 2 yearling! -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Sep 17 05:29:04 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling In-Reply-To: <3F67D220.2040202@visi.com> References: <146431CFD07FE94984B432636FCDF8060FB826@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> <20030916220220.7ef0d569.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F67D220.2040202@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030917052904.5ca7241d.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:16:48 -0500 Sam MacDonald wrote: > Thank You Shawn! :-) > > Shawn wrote: > > >What I'd like to know is how in the hell do you guys have the time > >for finding all these obscure "etiquettes" of mailing lists. > > > >I mean, I hardly have time for googling to fix/enhance things... > > Well, to clarify this, as it's not meant to bash/flame anyone. IMO, the ONLY reason anyone would have these netiquette or short snippets/websites of how things are/or supposed to be/should be/what have you is only for the sake of argument. For me, the primary rules that apply to posting on the 'net are: 1) Show some common courtesy and decency. 2) When in doubt of any others, see rule #1. Which, again IMO, flaming/argument is counterproductive to what we're here for. For me, the TCLUG is here for helping people with Linux related problem/issues/concerns/etc. A place for us to get together and discuss why we're here in the first place: Linux. Yes things go off topic from time to time, I'm guilty of that myself. But, it also shows a level of comfort, if you will, in that we can loosen up the tie and relax a bit. In regards to David Phillips' posts, he does give a lot of good information and appears to know his stuff. A lot more than me I will say! At times, sure he can be annoying with how he posts. Then again, we all are from time to time. How about we all just relax and chill out a bit? Speaking of which, when's the next beer meeting? Any chance that these things run longer than 9:00pm from time to time? --This has all been a personal opinion statement, with bad grammar. The author requests that any and all replies to this regarding grammar corrections, flames, etc be sent to /dev/null instead of via an MTA. Thank you. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Sep 17 07:12:36 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling In-Reply-To: <20030917052904.5ca7241d.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <146431CFD07FE94984B432636FCDF8060FB826@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> <20030916220220.7ef0d569.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F67D220.2040202@visi.com> <20030917052904.5ca7241d.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F684FB4.6020307@visi.com> Can we send the flames to M$? Sam. Shawn wrote: >On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:16:48 -0500 >Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > >>Thank You Shawn! :-) >> >>Shawn wrote: >> >> >> >>>What I'd like to know is how in the hell do you guys have the time >>>for finding all these obscure "etiquettes" of mailing lists. >>> >>>I mean, I hardly have time for googling to fix/enhance things... >>> >>> >>> > >Well, to clarify this, as it's not meant to bash/flame anyone. > >IMO, the ONLY reason anyone would have these netiquette or short snippets/websites of how things are/or supposed to be/should be/what have you is only for the sake of argument. For me, the primary rules that apply to posting on the 'net are: > >1) Show some common courtesy and decency. >2) When in doubt of any others, see rule #1. > >Which, again IMO, flaming/argument is counterproductive to what we're here for. For me, the TCLUG is here for helping people with Linux related problem/issues/concerns/etc. A place for us to get together and discuss why we're here in the first place: Linux. Yes things go off topic from time to time, I'm guilty of that myself. But, it also shows a level of comfort, if you will, in that we can loosen up the tie and relax a bit. > >In regards to David Phillips' posts, he does give a lot of good information and appears to know his stuff. A lot more than me I will say! At times, sure he can be annoying with how he posts. Then again, we all are from time to time. > >How about we all just relax and chill out a bit? Speaking of which, when's the next beer meeting? Any chance that these things run longer than 9:00pm from time to time? > >--This has all been a personal opinion statement, with bad grammar. The author requests that any and all replies to this regarding grammar corrections, flames, etc be sent to /dev/null instead of via an MTA. Thank you. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Wed Sep 17 07:07:53 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic But Wow. Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBBC@mail.temgweb.com> I was sitting on my front step a few months ago at about 3am. I hear this russling in the bush next to me, look over, and there's this huge raccoon staring back at me from like 5 feet away. I jump up cuz he scared the hell out of me, he jumps back standing on his back legs with this horrified look in his face, and then runs up the tree in the front yard and keeps peeking at me from behind it. Every night for the past week or so I've almost hit deer on my street too. I live in Brooklyn Park, but there's a wildlife refuge in my backyard so I'm sure that has something to do with it. On a similar note, I want to build a trebuchet and lure a squirrel into it. They keep chewing on stuff, and a squirrel flying 50 or 100 feet through the air might be at least a little humorous. -jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Scot Jenkins [mailto:scot+tcluggen@thinkunix.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 2:25 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Off Topic But Wow. > > > I had 2 racoons on my lawn last night. I live in SW Minneapolis, in > the city. Don't know where they came from but they seemed lost and > pretty tame. > > Sam MacDonald wrote: > > Sunday night I was up late working on my sniper skills in > DoD. It was > > about midnight when I went up to bed, as usual I looked out > the front > > window, 3 dear nibbling around my rose bushes, a doe and 2 > yearling! > > -- > scot > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Sep 17 08:15:07 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic But Wow. In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBBC@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBBC@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <3F685E5B.7030901@visi.com> LMAO! Austad, Jay wrote: >I was sitting on my front step a few months ago at about 3am. I hear this >russling in the bush next to me, look over, and there's this huge raccoon >staring back at me from like 5 feet away. I jump up cuz he scared the hell >out of me, he jumps back standing on his back legs with this horrified look >in his face, and then runs up the tree in the front yard and keeps peeking >at me from behind it. > >Every night for the past week or so I've almost hit deer on my street too. >I live in Brooklyn Park, but there's a wildlife refuge in my backyard so I'm >sure that has something to do with it. > >On a similar note, I want to build a trebuchet and lure a squirrel into it. >They keep chewing on stuff, and a squirrel flying 50 or 100 feet through the >air might be at least a little humorous. > >-jay > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Scot Jenkins [mailto:scot+tcluggen@thinkunix.net] >>Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 2:25 AM >>To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Off Topic But Wow. >> >> >>I had 2 racoons on my lawn last night. I live in SW Minneapolis, in >>the city. Don't know where they came from but they seemed lost and >>pretty tame. >> >>Sam MacDonald wrote: >> >> >>>Sunday night I was up late working on my sniper skills in >>> >>> >>DoD. It was >> >> >>>about midnight when I went up to bed, as usual I looked out >>> >>> >>the front >> >> >>>window, 3 dear nibbling around my rose bushes, a doe and 2 >>> >>> >>yearling! >> >>-- >>scot >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Sep 17 08:31:38 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2004 Calendars? In-Reply-To: <3F67D78B.4010706@visi.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > For a wall calendar maybe pictures of the machines we have installed and > run Linux on. Could have 2 - 4 on each month. That's an interesting idea. Here's my early submission/example: http://beer.tclug.org/pix/sparcstack.jpg (That doesn't even include Beer, which is a couple of feet away.) Speaking of beer, I have to talk to the rest of the crew to figure out what's going on with the meeting. More info when it becomes available. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Wed Sep 17 11:08:14 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for a man with a big hard... Message-ID: <3F6886EE.7050801@eworld3.net> ...disk! Git yer mind outta th' gutter! I worked with a guy at the installfest who said that if we could get Linux installed on his Compaq laptop he'd donate two 20 Gb hard drives to the cause of creating an installfest distro server (mirrors, ISOs, etc. - this can be discussed in a separate thread). Well, as far as I know he got SuSE installed and the same technique should work for other major distros. I gave him my card but he has not contacted me yet so I'm hoping he is reading this and remembering and will now send me an email! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Sep 17 11:31:20 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems reading some (not all) cdrom files, & CDROM HOWTO error Message-ID: <20030917163120.GA22400@mail.el-swifto.com> Hey all: I've run into a problem reading some CD's that a friend made for me. I'm trying to just copy the files from the CD to local disk, but I get: $ mount /cdrom $ ls /cdrom [long list snipped] $ cp /cdrom/* . cp: reading `/cdrom/318.DBF': Input/output error cp: reading `/cdrom/319.DBF': Input/output error cp: reading `/cdrom/320.DBF': Input/output error ... etc., accompanied by kernel messages like: hdb: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hdb: command error: error=0x54 Note that the files are named 001.DBF, 002.DBF, etc., so the first 300 or so are copying without a hitch. I've scanned the CDROM and CD-Writing HOWTOs, with no light shed. Particularly annoying is the broken link in the CDROM HOWTO to some "ISO-9660 Utilities" at ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/unixfreeware/archive/. Googling for these utilities turns up... you guessed it, lots of links to copied of the HOWTO. Google does turn up some hits matching the error message, but all of them seem to deal with mounting problems, and none where the first N files copy OK, and the last few start generating errors. Kernel docs don't point to any obvious solution. I am toying with the idea that since the CD was created on XP it may have been built with some incompatabilities; perhaps I need to learn more about UDF. Another possibilty may be that this is a hardware issue--there's over 600MB on the CD, perhaps the last few files are unreadable my CD drive? This ideas is supported by the fact that different CD drives conk out at different files nesar the end of the disk. If anyone has seen this before, I'd be grateful if you reply. FYI, this is happening on kernels 2.4.18 and 2.4.20, Debian woody and sid. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Wed Sep 17 11:44:27 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems reading some (not all) cdrom files, & CDROM HOWTO error In-Reply-To: <20030917163120.GA22400@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20030917163120.GA22400@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <3F688F6B.1060305@lorenburlingame.com> John J. Trammell wrote: >Another possibilty may be that this is a hardware issue--there's over >600MB on the CD, perhaps the last few files are unreadable my CD drive? >This ideas is supported by the fact that different CD drives conk out >at different files nesar the end of the disk. > > I have a CD-Writer that over time seems to have lost the ability to write reliably past the ~650MB mark and I get the type of errors you described when I try to access the cd I created past that mark, regardless of the drive I use to access it. also, the cd-writer in question will not read any disc past ~650MB. LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Sep 17 11:44:45 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems reading some (not all) cdrom files, & CDROM HOWTO error In-Reply-To: <20030917163120.GA22400@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20030917163120.GA22400@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20030917114445.A13924@baker.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 11:31:20AM -0500, John J. Trammell wrote: > cp: reading `/cdrom/318.DBF': Input/output error > cp: reading `/cdrom/319.DBF': Input/output error > cp: reading `/cdrom/320.DBF': Input/output error > If anyone has seen this before, I'd be grateful if you reply. FYI, > this is happening on kernels 2.4.18 and 2.4.20, Debian woody and sid. I have gotten similar errors before, and I have always chalked them up to either bad media or a bad burns (underflows when burning, etc.) . Have you tried reading the CD with any other machine - the one that created or any other machine that is handy? -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Wed Sep 17 11:53:53 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic But Wow. In-Reply-To: <3F67DD38.1000505@visi.com> References: <3F67DD38.1000505@visi.com> Message-ID: <1063817633.1058.88.camel@lotsa> We have a a deer problem here. they eat everything. Don't get me wrong I love seeing them in the yard but our hosta and tulips get eaten down to the ground unless we do something. You know what works? pee on them, honestly. Of course you can't pee on your vegies but it will keep them away from your flowers. there is also deer repent you can buy, it smells like pee. On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 23:04, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Sunday night I was up late working on my sniper skills in DoD. It was > about midnight when I went up to bed, as usual I looked out the front > window, 3 dear nibbling around my rose bushes, a doe and 2 yearling! > I'm a little touchy about my roses, my wife loves em so I keeps em. I > opened the front door (understand I have a street light at the end of my > drive way) and they stayed!? So I sat on the stoop and talked to them > for a few minutes trying to get them to leave. They wouldn't go so I sat > some more until they wandered off. I'm talking about no more then 30 > feet. My driveway is 50 feet long and the roses are about 20 feet from > the street. > > I guess I would call that a "near life experience". > > I also keep a vegetable garden in the back yard and have had dear eat > all my peppers, I now have a 6 foot fence around my garden. > > Sam. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Wed Sep 17 11:58:07 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] looking for a man with a big hard... In-Reply-To: <3F6886EE.7050801@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <1C78B6D4-E930-11D7-AD01-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> On Wednesday, Sep 17, 2003, at 11:08 US/Central, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > ...disk! Git yer mind outta th' gutter! > > I worked with a guy at the installfest who said that if we could get > Linux installed on his Compaq laptop he'd donate two 20 Gb hard drives > to the cause of creating an installfest distro server (mirrors, ISOs, > etc. - this can be discussed in a separate thread). Well, as far as I > know he got SuSE installed and the same technique should work for > other major distros. > > I gave him my card but he has not contacted me yet so I'm hoping he is > reading this and remembering and will now send me an email! Rick, Scot Jenkins and I were speaking about this as well. I have a complete PC that I'd be happy to "contribute" to the cause, its sole purpose(s) would be NAT, DHCP, NAMED HTTP, FTP, NFS, SMB ( distro isos, and debian apt-get mirror etc etc) We could put a cd burner in it etc. Its not a fast machine but it wouldn't matter. About the only things we'd mirror on it would be the main linux distros (the ones most likely to be installed by new-comers to linux and don't know how to or can't download themselves. (redhat, debian, slack, recommendations?). I believe this could be done with a single 120Gb disk since we wouldn't keep much old stuff around. I wouldn't mind doing this if the group can pool some funds together for a disk and wouldn't mind if i kept it at my place for keeping it updated etc. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens http://us-admins.com/~blutgens/ US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Sep 17 12:04:32 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems reading some (not all) cdrom files, & CDROM HOWTO error In-Reply-To: <20030917114445.A13924@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <20030917163120.GA22400@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030917114445.A13924@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20030917170432.GA24956@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 11:44:45AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 11:31:20AM -0500, John J. Trammell wrote: > > cp: reading `/cdrom/318.DBF': Input/output error > > cp: reading `/cdrom/319.DBF': Input/output error > > cp: reading `/cdrom/320.DBF': Input/output error > > > > If anyone has seen this before, I'd be grateful if you reply. FYI, > > this is happening on kernels 2.4.18 and 2.4.20, Debian woody and sid. > > I have gotten similar errors before, and I have always chalked > them up to either bad media or a bad burns (underflows when burning, > etc.) . Have you tried reading the CD with any other machine - > the one that created or any other machine that is handy? > 'Fraid so. I've tried it in the two desktop machines at home, the laptop, and this morning at work. They all give out at around 650 MB: $ du -cks [012]* 30* | tail ... 2352 308.DBF 2232 309.DBF 667400 total $ Which isn't so bad, I suppose. Guess I need to tell my friend to stop jamming so much stuff on 1 CD. Here's a quarter, kid, go buy another one. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 17 12:13:46 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic But Wow. In-Reply-To: <3F67DD38.1000505@visi.com> Message-ID: > drive way) and they stayed!? So I sat on the stoop and talked to them > for a few minutes trying to get them to leave. They wouldn't go so I sat Do they talk back? Do they tell you to *do* things? "We'll leave your yard if you KILL JOE" :) As someone mentioned eariler, urine does work to keep some animals out. I think some even judge the size of the "owner" based on how far up the scent is on the tree/fence/hydrant. I have a similar problem - trying to keep the guys from the meth lab across the street off of my fence in the front yard. Talking to them hasn't worked well in the past, but they run pretty quick when I let my 100-pound rott out. I swear, there is no scarier sound then to hear her growl. The most disconcerting is when you wake up to it at 2am in a haze of sleep. If I were a burglar, I'd be wearing my brown pants. We've also managed to keep most of the kids out of our yard. I brought home a live northern one day, and we made her eat it outside. The look on the neighborhood kids' faces as she devoured 26 inches of Northern Pike, head to tail, still flopping, was priceless. She ate the whole thing, teeth, bones, gills, fins - everything. They won't come near us. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Wed Sep 17 12:31:28 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verisign's wildcard Message-ID: <3F689A70.9040904@lorenburlingame.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/32852.html I like the one response: "Perhaps mail servers should check to see if the sender domain for a particular piece of email resolves to the IP above. If it does, forward the email to Verisign," he [Pete Farrow] adds. I am not really sure how bad of a thing this is, but it does make me mad to see a company as evil as verisign abusing their power like this. LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Sep 17 12:45:45 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stupid Brain Message-ID: <3F689DC9.5060909@visi.com> I've forgotten the command to see what version of the kernel I'm running. It was in a thread. I googled all over and can't find the command to tell me the kernel version. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Wed Sep 17 12:41:31 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stupid Brain Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36F8@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I cant remember either but I have found this page to save me from lots of googling http://www.onlamp.com/linux/cmd/ Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Sam MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:46 PM To: TC LUG Subject: [TCLUG] Stupid Brain I've forgotten the command to see what version of the kernel I'm running. It was in a thread. I googled all over and can't find the command to tell me the kernel version. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mkroska at kdv.com Wed Sep 17 12:48:22 2003 From: mkroska at kdv.com (Mark J. Kroska) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stupid Brain References: <3F689DC9.5060909@visi.com> Message-ID: <01cf01c37d43$e372fab0$6d64a8c0@netwsmjk> I think you are looking for "uname -a" it displays a variety of interesting bits about the machine and kernel, all on 1 line. MK Mark J. Kroska Director IT Services KDV Technology and Consulting Services, Inc. Direct 320-258-6412 Main 320-252-7060 Fax 320-252-9627 mkroska@kdv.com "NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited, Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete it. Thank you." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam MacDonald" To: "TC LUG" Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:45 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Stupid Brain > I've forgotten the command to see what version of the kernel I'm running. > It was in a thread. > I googled all over and can't find the command to tell me the kernel version. > > Sam. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 17 12:48:41 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stupid Brain In-Reply-To: <3F689DC9.5060909@visi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I've forgotten the command to see what version of the kernel I'm running. > It was in a thread. > I googled all over and can't find the command to tell me the kernel version. try uname uname -a gives all the info you need. Munir Nassar Systems Administrator RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Wed Sep 17 12:49:43 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic But Wow. In-Reply-To: <3F67DD38.1000505@visi.com> Message-ID: <51F2E978-E937-11D7-AD01-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> On Tuesday, Sep 16, 2003, at 23:04 US/Central, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Sunday night I was up late working on my sniper skills in DoD. It was > about midnight when I went up to bed, as usual I looked out the front > window, 3 dear nibbling around my rose bushes, a doe and 2 yearling! > I'm a little touchy about my roses, my wife loves em so I keeps em. I > opened the front door (understand I have a street light at the end of > my drive way) and they stayed!? So I sat on the stoop and talked to > them for a few minutes trying to get them to leave. They wouldn't go > so I sat some more until they wandered off. I'm talking about no more > then 30 feet. My driveway is 50 feet long and the roses are about 20 > feet from the street. Strangely enough I thoroughly enjoyed this post and it gave me a diversion from my work for a few minutes. I did some googling and found a very interesting article. http://doityourself.com/pest/gardeningindeercountry.htm Hope this helps! > > I guess I would call that a "near life experience". GET PICTURES! A chance to catch some wildlife with a camera is truly a rare thing. Especially an animal as nice to look at as a Deer. > I also keep a vegetable garden in the back yard and have had dear eat > all my peppers, I now have a 6 foot fence around my garden. > > Sam. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens http://us-admins.com/~blutgens/ US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Wed Sep 17 12:42:43 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verisign's wildcard References: <3F689A70.9040904@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <3F689D13.4020806@ppdonline.com> I'm changing my spamassassin/procmail action from '/dev/null' to '! support@verisign.com'. If they want to increase the proliferation of spam then they can have all of mine! Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Sep 17 12:58:15 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic -- Critter Problems In-Reply-To: <1063817633.1058.88.camel@lotsa> References: <3F67DD38.1000505@visi.com> <1063817633.1058.88.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20030917175815.GA15152@skuld.wookimus.net> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 11:53:53AM -0500, Tom Penney wrote: > We have a a deer problem here. they eat everything. Don't get me wrong > I love seeing them in the yard but our hosta and tulips get eaten down > to the ground unless we do something. You know what works? pee on > them, honestly. Of course you can't pee on your vegies but it will > keep them away from your flowers. there is also deer repent you can > buy, it smells like pee. I hear that a blended mix of habaneros, dish soap, and water (and egg whites) in a handly little spray bottle works wonders at repelling squirrels, deer, and racoons from fruits and veggies and trees -- anything you can spray it on. It's worth a try. I googled for "habanero repellant recipe" and found this promising little link: http://ourgardengang.tripod.com/Critter_Problems.htm -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Sep 17 13:08:47 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic But Wow. In-Reply-To: <51F2E978-E937-11D7-AD01-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> References: <51F2E978-E937-11D7-AD01-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> Message-ID: <3F68A32F.5090607@visi.com> I read that page when I was trying to find out what to do about pepper eating dear in my garden. I have a book by Jerry Baker "The Impatient Gardeners Lawn Book". It talks about lots of home made remedies for animals and bugs. He suggested making a tea out of Chewing Tobacco, Urine, and Ammonia. This is for plants your not going to eat obviously, the Chew has nicotine that kills bugs, the urine keeps animals away and the ammonia is a fertilizer. I haven't used this so I don't know if it works. Sam. Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Tuesday, Sep 16, 2003, at 23:04 US/Central, Sam MacDonald wrote: > >> Sunday night I was up late working on my sniper skills in DoD. It >> was about midnight when I went up to bed, as usual I looked out the >> front window, 3 dear nibbling around my rose bushes, a doe and 2 >> yearling! I'm a little touchy about my roses, my wife loves em so I >> keeps em. I opened the front door (understand I have a street light >> at the end of my drive way) and they stayed!? So I sat on the stoop >> and talked to them for a few minutes trying to get them to leave. >> They wouldn't go so I sat some more until they wandered off. I'm >> talking about no more then 30 feet. My driveway is 50 feet long and >> the roses are about 20 feet from the street. > > > Strangely enough I thoroughly enjoyed this post and it gave me a > diversion from my work for a few minutes. I did some googling and > found a very interesting article. > > http://doityourself.com/pest/gardeningindeercountry.htm > > Hope this helps! > > >> >> I guess I would call that a "near life experience". > > > GET PICTURES! A chance to catch some wildlife with a camera is truly a > rare thing. Especially an animal as nice to look at as a Deer. > > >> I also keep a vegetable garden in the back yard and have had dear eat >> all my peppers, I now have a 6 foot fence around my garden. >> >> Sam. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > -- > Ben Lutgens http://us-admins.com/~blutgens/ > US Admins, Inc > System Administrator / Server Gumby > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Sep 17 13:09:21 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stupid Brain In-Reply-To: <01cf01c37d43$e372fab0$6d64a8c0@netwsmjk> References: <3F689DC9.5060909@visi.com> <01cf01c37d43$e372fab0$6d64a8c0@netwsmjk> Message-ID: <3F68A351.8090009@visi.com> That's it! Thank you Sam. Mark J. Kroska wrote: >I think you are looking for "uname -a" >it displays a variety of interesting bits about the machine and kernel, all >on 1 line. >MK > >Mark J. Kroska >Director IT Services >KDV Technology and Consulting Services, Inc. >Direct 320-258-6412 >Main 320-252-7060 >Fax 320-252-9627 >mkroska@kdv.com > > >"NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic >Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be >legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >communication is strictly prohibited, Please reply to the sender that you >have received the message in error, then delete it. Thank you." >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sam MacDonald" >To: "TC LUG" >Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:45 PM >Subject: [TCLUG] Stupid Brain > > > > >>I've forgotten the command to see what version of the kernel I'm running. >>It was in a thread. >>I googled all over and can't find the command to tell me the kernel >> >> >version. > > >>Sam. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Wed Sep 17 15:11:54 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stupid Brain In-Reply-To: <3F689DC9.5060909@visi.com> References: <3F689DC9.5060909@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030917151154.1d983dc5.list@slushpupie.com> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:45:45 -0500 Sam MacDonald wrote: >I've forgotten the command to see what version of the kernel I'm running. >It was in a thread. uname give you this info, but you can get it directly from /proc on linux take a look at /proc/sys/kernel/ostype /proc/sys/kernel/osrelease /proc/sys/kernel/version Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cxobert at goldengate.net Wed Sep 17 14:27:29 2003 From: cxobert at goldengate.net (Charlie Obert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: CDROM reading problems In-Reply-To: <20030917190102.26295.36858.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030917190102.26295.36858.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F68B5A1.1070101@goldengate.net> About reading and copying CDROMs - I have CDs that failed on copying under Linux, that I could copy under Windows2000 using Nero on the same machine, same CDROM read-write drive. -- Cheers, Charlie Obert "We've discovered librarians are very networked and seem to know about everything before it happens." Pardon my Freedom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Wed Sep 17 16:16:08 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware mirror Message-ID: <20030917161608.A18927@thinkunix.net> This one's for all you slackers out there. Slackware has released another OpenSSH package since yesterday in addition to a sendmail one. Every time I've been to their ftp.slackware.com, it's really slow (which is probably a good thing--lots of fellow slackers). I have a nearly complete (missing gnome and kde, cause I don't use them) mirror of Slackware 9.0. Contents: slack 9 iso (install.iso), which is also loopback mounted so you can get at individual files, patches, and a few of my "roll your own" packages. I try to keep the patches up to date as the security updates come out. Going forward I'll probably just mirror the current production release of slackware as diskspace is limited, as is bandwidth (only a DSL line) but it might save some folks some time. http://thinkunix.net/unix/os/linux/slackware/i386-mirror/ -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Sep 17 17:45:43 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2004 Calendars? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F68E417.7040603@visi.com> OK this is my setup! http://www.screechowl.org/html/cpu.htm Jima wrote: >On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>For a wall calendar maybe pictures of the machines we have installed and >>run Linux on. Could have 2 - 4 on each month. >> >> > > That's an interesting idea. Here's my early submission/example: > >http://beer.tclug.org/pix/sparcstack.jpg > > (That doesn't even include Beer, which is a couple of feet away.) > Speaking of beer, I have to talk to the rest of the crew to figure out >what's going on with the meeting. More info when it becomes available. > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Sep 10 12:59:25 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Installfest this Saturday Message-ID: <20030910175925.GC3320@fandre.com> Just a reminder that we are having a TCLUG Installfest this Saturday. Check the website for a map: http://www.tclug.org/installfest/ When: Saturday September 13th, 2003 10:00am - 5:00pm Where: 10:00-5:00 (or thereabouts) The Toro Company 8111 Lyndale Ave S Bloomington, MN 55420 Corner of 82nd and Lyndale, just south of 494 and Lyndale Main entrance is on 82nd - park in the parking ramp Sign in with Security guard will likely be necessary What to bring: Your computer(s) if you want help installing/configuring your system. Or you can just come to watch. Bring everything you need since there may not be extras. If you have an extra power-strip if might be a good idea to bring that too. There will be network connections, but there is always a shortage of ports. Please bring switches/hubs, power strips and patch cables. Cost: Completely free, including software and service If you are planning on attending, please register here: http://www.tclug.org/installfest/registration.php _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Sep 12 14:26:46 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] SCALUG meeting Sat, September 20 Message-ID: I'm just sending out a reminder that our upcoming SCALUG meeting is Saturday, Sept 20 at 3PM. Jon Parshall from Codeweavers will be presenting the latest and greatest in Crossover and I don't know what else. There will be Codeweavers giveaways as well!! For all the grubby info, check out the SCALUG website: http://scalug.mn-linux.org/meetings.php Please let me know if you plan on attending as to make sure there will be plenty of meeting space available. Thanks! -Brian _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 14:20:15 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on Lilo, how to boot multiple distros Message-ID: <20030918192015.74571.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I had a couple guys help me get my drive partitioned and lilo installed at the installfest last weekend, and I just set up an extra partition for slackware, even got slackware installed (I think, haven't been able to boot to it yet). So here's my setup quick 40 Gig IDE hd allocated as follows 4 Gig primary for win98 Primary /dev/hda1 382 MB Linux swap partition Primary /dev/hda2 5 Gig Linux partition for Debian Primary /dev/hda3 Extended Partitions /dev/hda4 5 gig Linux partition for slackware /dev/hda5 I know I have to edit the lilo.conf, but kind of unsure how to go about setting that up correctly, unfortunately I'm not at home right now to get a copy of it to post with this message, I was just wondering how other people have gone about getting this set up. Thanks for the help! Joel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Thu Sep 18 14:44:48 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (amy@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian, autoinstall, & initrd Message-ID: <20030918194448.GA1484@real-time.com> I already posted this to debian-user but I thought I'd try here too in case I can get a quicker answer... I'm new to debian and I'm trying to setup autoinstall for the first time. I'm running stable with a custom 2.4.21 kernel. When I run make-autoinst-initrd the resulting initrd is too large so make-autoinst-disk fails. What's the best way to get a smaller initrd? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Sep 18 15:01:51 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on Lilo, how to boot multiple distros In-Reply-To: <20030918192015.74571.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Joel Dick wrote: > 40 Gig IDE hd allocated as follows > > 4 Gig primary for win98 Primary /dev/hda1 > 382 MB Linux swap partition Primary /dev/hda2 > 5 Gig Linux partition for Debian Primary /dev/hda3 > Extended Partitions /dev/hda4 > 5 gig Linux partition for slackware /dev/hda5 > > I know I have to edit the lilo.conf, but kind of unsure how to go about > setting that up correctly, unfortunately I'm not at home right now to get > a copy of it to post with this message, I was just wondering how other > people have gone about getting this set up. lilo is notoriously problematic when it is not used in conjunction with a /boot partition on larger hard drives. this was supposedly fixed but i am too stupid to get it to work right. that is why i now use grub which never had that problem and is a little easier to configure IMHO. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Sep 18 15:11:49 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting tomorrow! Message-ID: Sorry for the delay, folks. --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, September 19, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Bulldog 2549 Lyndale Ave S Minneapolis, MN 55405 Phone: (612) 872-8636 Details: I know nothing about this place, but it was requested, and we obey! Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- We don't know much about this location, but it was recommended by an, erm, avid beer drinker. ;) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Sep 18 15:11:49 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting tomorrow! Message-ID: Sorry for the delay, folks. --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, September 19, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Bulldog 2549 Lyndale Ave S Minneapolis, MN 55405 Phone: (612) 872-8636 Details: I know nothing about this place, but it was requested, and we obey! Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- We don't know much about this location, but it was recommended by an, erm, avid beer drinker. ;) Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Sep 18 15:18:30 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian, autoinstall, & initrd In-Reply-To: <20030918194448.GA1484@real-time.com> References: <20030918194448.GA1484@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030918151830.4daf2f6a.list@slushpupie.com> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:44:48 -0500 amy@real-time.com wrote: >I'm new to debian and I'm trying to setup autoinstall for the first >time. I'm running stable with a custom 2.4.21 kernel. When I run >make-autoinst-initrd the resulting initrd is too large so >make-autoinst-disk fails. What's the best way to get a smaller initrd? When I had an initrd image too large, I took a look at the kernel config to find that almost everything was enabled. Make sure you arnt running with a kernel that has too much support built in (you can always push new, full featured, kernels after the install) Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Sep 18 15:25:53 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse Message-ID: <3F6A14D1.8040807@visi.com> I installed "gpm" and "links" on my little laptop. The trackball on the laptop is about to drive me nuts, it's the one thing that doesn't function very well on this machine. I need a serial mouse, anyone have any spares they don't want? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Sep 18 16:19:23 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse In-Reply-To: <3F6A14D1.8040807@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 03:25:53PM -0500 References: <3F6A14D1.8040807@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030918161923.B7927@thinkunix.net> Sam MacDonald wrote: > I installed "gpm" and "links" on my little laptop. The trackball on the > laptop is about to drive me nuts, it's the one thing that doesn't > function very well on this machine. I need a serial mouse, anyone have > any spares they don't want? Have you tried cleaning it? Not sure if you can get the ball out without opening the laptop but sometimes cleaning is all they need. I think I had a serial mouse. I'll see if I can find it... -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Sep 18 16:27:56 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on Lilo, how to boot multiple distros In-Reply-To: <20030918192015.74571.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com>; from joel_cd@yahoo.com on Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 12:20:15PM -0700 References: <20030918192015.74571.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030918162756.C7927@thinkunix.net> Joel Dick wrote: > I had a couple guys help me get my drive partitioned and lilo installed at > the installfest last weekend, and I just set up an extra partition for > slackware, even got slackware installed (I think, haven't been able to > boot to it yet). > > So here's my setup quick > > 40 Gig IDE hd allocated as follows > > 4 Gig primary for win98 Primary /dev/hda1 > 382 MB Linux swap partition Primary /dev/hda2 > 5 Gig Linux partition for Debian Primary /dev/hda3 > Extended Partitions /dev/hda4 > 5 gig Linux partition for slackware /dev/hda5 > > I know I have to edit the lilo.conf, but kind of unsure how to go about > setting that up correctly, unfortunately I'm not at home right now to get > a copy of it to post with this message, I was just wondering how other > people have gone about getting this set up. here's a sample from a triple boot, windows and 2 linux distros using lilo as the boot manager: # /etc/lilo.conf - sample from a slackware system, LILO on MBR # # hda1 windows FAT32 # hda2 linux swap # hda3 linux native (slackware) # hda4 extended # hda5 linux native (debian) # boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b prompt timeout=50 # Override dangerous defaults that rewrite the partition table: change-rules reset vga=normal default=slack restricted image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22 label=slack root=/dev/hda3 read-only password=secret image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21 label=debian root=/dev/hda5 read-only password=secret other=/dev/hda1 label=win table=/dev/hda password=secret -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 18 16:37:59 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on Lilo, how to boot multiple distros In-Reply-To: <20030918192015.74571.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Haven't had issues with Lilo needing a /boot partition, but I like grub myself. The thing I really really miss about lilo is lilo -r. lilo -r win reboot lilo -r 2.4.21 reboot If I setup a box that I'll be admining remotely, I usually stick with lilo. If a new kernel doesn't work, I can tell "cluless 'tech'" on duty to power cycle my box. Anway...to the real problem, which is that I'll be pulling this out of my...well, you know.. /etc/lilo.conf: image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18 label=Debian read-only root=/dev/hda1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.4.18 image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.8.18 label=Slack read-only root=/dev/hda5 Something like that *should* work... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 18 16:39:14 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on Lilo, how to boot multiple distros In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Someone beat me to it...and I gave you the wrong device names. =) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Thu Sep 18 16:53:19 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on Lilo, how to boot multiple distros In-Reply-To: <20030918192015.74571.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com>; from joel_cd@yahoo.com on Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 12:20:15PM -0700 References: <20030918192015.74571.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030918165319.A20568@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 12:20:15PM -0700, Joel Dick wrote: > Hi all, > > I had a couple guys help me get my drive partitioned and lilo installed at > the installfest last weekend, and I just set up an extra partition for > slackware, even got slackware installed (I think, haven't been able to > boot to it yet). > > So here's my setup quick > > 40 Gig IDE hd allocated as follows > > 4 Gig primary for win98 Primary /dev/hda1 > 382 MB Linux swap partition Primary /dev/hda2 > 5 Gig Linux partition for Debian Primary /dev/hda3 > Extended Partitions /dev/hda4 > 5 gig Linux partition for slackware /dev/hda5 > > I know I have to edit the lilo.conf, but kind of unsure how to go about > setting that up correctly, unfortunately I'm not at home right now to get > a copy of it to post with this message, I was just wondering how other > people have gone about getting this set up. > > Thanks for the help! > > Joel > It's good to have a few rescue boot disks/cdroms before you start playing with your bootloader. If you don't have a backup boot disk, run: #mkbootdisk Which should make one for you. Get a Tom's rootboot disk and/or some rescue-cd(knoppix,..) just in case. You make a new image section in the lilo.conf, heres an example: image=/mnthda5/boot/bzImage label=Slack # initrd=/boot/initrd.bz2 root=/dev/hda5 append= "root=/dev/hda5 vga=0x314" Then run lilo. In the above example, you need the slack root partition mounted at /mnthda5 first, also you can go look on your slack root drive for the lilo settings: mkdir /mnthda5 mount /dev/hda5 /mnthda5 cat /mnthda5/etc/lilo.conf | more ls /boot Make sure the location and name of the kernel match your settings: "/boot/bzImage". Make note if an initrd.img is used in the lilo.conf, hopefully you don't have one or need one(Even if you have one, I'd suggest first trying to boot without one). Or as an alternative lifestyle: add root=/dev/hda5 to your existing lilo cmd line during bootup. This will boot the debian kernel, but mount the slack partition as the root filesystem. Hope that gives you some ideas and doesn't hose your system up :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Thu Sep 18 17:01:37 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse In-Reply-To: <3F6A14D1.8040807@visi.com> References: <3F6A14D1.8040807@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030918170137.2860e661.william.layer@comcast.net> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:25:53 -0500 Sam MacDonald wrote: > I installed "gpm" and "links" on my little laptop. The trackball on the > laptop is about to drive me nuts, it's the one thing that doesn't > function very well on this machine. I need a serial mouse, anyone have > any spares they don't want? Yeah, let me know if you don't find one locally, I've got several. B _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Thu Sep 18 18:32:00 2003 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2004 Calendars? In-Reply-To: <3F67D78B.4010706@visi.com> References: <3F676E51.3070500@druswanderings.net> <3F67D78B.4010706@visi.com> Message-ID: <1063927919.23569.7.camel@bigtime> > For a wall calendar maybe pictures of the machines we have installed and > run Linux on. Could have 2 - 4 on each month. How about my SO's emachine: (note: long since replaced by non-emachine) http://www.haxxed.com/~seg/random/digicam/2002-04-20%2015:04:54.jpg Or dreamcast: (These pictures suck. Need to get better ones. Should still have a DCLinux CD around here somewhere...) http://www.haxxed.com/~seg/random/digicam/blargh3/nd620001.jpg http://www.haxxed.com/~seg/random/digicam/blargh3/nd620003.jpg A productive installfest indeed: http://www.haxxed.com/~seg/random/digicam/blargh3/nd620005.jpg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030918/80f00d3a/attachment.pgp From gmcdavid at comcast.net Thu Sep 18 20:28:20 2003 From: gmcdavid at comcast.net (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse In-Reply-To: <3F6A14D1.8040807@visi.com> References: <3F6A14D1.8040807@visi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I need a serial mouse, anyone have > any spares they don't want? I have one. Definitely free to a good home. Let me know if you still need one. I live in Roseville and work in downtown Minneapolis. Glenn McDavid gmcdavid@comcast.net gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Sep 18 21:02:17 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse In-Reply-To: <20030918161923.B7927@thinkunix.net> References: <3F6A14D1.8040807@visi.com> <20030918161923.B7927@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <3F6A63A9.9060403@visi.com> Yea, it acted this way under w98 as well. Scot Jenkins wrote: >Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>I installed "gpm" and "links" on my little laptop. The trackball on the >>laptop is about to drive me nuts, it's the one thing that doesn't >>function very well on this machine. I need a serial mouse, anyone have >>any spares they don't want? >> >> > >Have you tried cleaning it? Not sure if you can get the ball out >without opening the laptop but sometimes cleaning is all they need. > >I think I had a serial mouse. I'll see if I can find it... > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Sep 18 21:17:54 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question Message-ID: <3F6A6752.6000105@visi.com> I'm running debian on my laptop, I want to be able to lock the screen. I just don't want it to have a problem if my 9 year old finds it available. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Sep 18 21:14:52 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question In-Reply-To: <3F6A6752.6000105@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 09:17:54PM -0500 References: <3F6A6752.6000105@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030918211452.A13966@thinkunix.net> Sam MacDonald wrote: > I'm running debian on my laptop, I want to be able to lock the screen. > I just don't want it to have a problem if my 9 year old finds it available. apt-get install vlock then run 'vlock -a'; I setup an F-key to do this for me vi /etc/inputrc. man bash for more info the inputrc thing. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Sep 18 21:36:21 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse In-Reply-To: References: <3F6A14D1.8040807@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F6A6BA5.2060300@visi.com> OK I think I have access to about 5 serial mice now THANK YOU ALL! I just learned something about surfing with a text browser (links). If a page has an image that is a link it needs to have some way to translate that to the text browser. Sam. Glenn McDavid wrote: >On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > >>I need a serial mouse, anyone have >>any spares they don't want? >> >> > >I have one. Definitely free to a good home. Let me know if you still >need one. I live in Roseville and work in downtown Minneapolis. > >Glenn McDavid >gmcdavid@comcast.net >gmcdavid@winternet.com >http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid/ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Thu Sep 18 21:37:02 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian, autoinstall, & initrd In-Reply-To: <20030918194448.GA1484@real-time.com> Message-ID: <26AFB1E4-EA4A-11D7-AD01-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> On Thursday, Sep 18, 2003, at 14:44 US/Central, amy@real-time.com wrote: > I already posted this to debian-user but I thought I'd try here too in > case I can get a quicker answer... > > I'm new to debian and I'm trying to setup autoinstall for the first > time. I'm running stable with a custom 2.4.21 kernel. When I run > make-autoinst-initrd the resulting initrd is too large so > make-autoinst-disk fails. What's the best way to get a smaller initrd? remove anything unnecessary, use busybox utils. > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens http://us-admins.com/~blutgens/ US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Sep 19 07:58:17 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need volunteers Message-ID: I'm looking for volunteers for two different aspects of a pet project of mine. First let me say that this is an individual effort, completely seperate of Sihope. All of the development and resources are my own. Secondly, I know that this has been done to death, but I have a few new ideas that I want to try out that will differentiate it from everything else that's out there. I've developed the start of a DNS-based IP blacklist. I have the basic service functional. I have rather ambitious future plans that will make it distinct from similar services that are available, of which there are hundreds and they're mostly the same. I hope to not only gather a lot of data about spammer operations, but also develop a useful tool for the community. Basically I have two different needs. I need some more diverse spamtrap addresses to feed the database. I have a couple of hundred setup and distributed across some of my personal domains (I've used unique ones to seed different services - i.e., replying to the remove address, web forms, usenet and ML posts, etc). I use this to track spam list distribution and gathering points, which is a seperate project. So if anyone is willing to forward an e-mail address or two to help improve the database, I will provide details. I only want e-mail addresses that have never been used - old addresses that once belonged to someone cross a grey area that I don't want to get involved with at this point. Secondly, I'm looking for a handful of people to start using it. I don't expect it to stop a great deal of spam in it's current state (although it has stopped some for me), but as I get more feeder addresses, and more of the features I want incorporated, I expect it to do a decent job. Right now I just want a few people actively using it, even if it is currently worthless. I am planning on making some reporting tools in the next few weeks that will be open to participants, so you can see some statistics that I collect. If anyone is interested please contact me off-list. Understand that in it's current state, it is not very effective, and I'm only looking for testers, not users. Although I don't expect it to take more than a few minutes of work for anyone. Thanks, Adam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jerry.sommerdorf at gwslinux.com Fri Sep 19 08:37:20 2003 From: jerry.sommerdorf at gwslinux.com (jerry.sommerdorf@gwslinux.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE certification Message-ID: I am thinking about getting my RHCE certification. I need to know if this would be a good cert to have. There doesn't seem to be a lot of need for this certification. What's your thought??? Thanks, Jerry Sommerdorf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030919/726b70a5/attachment.html From pclinux at charter.net Fri Sep 19 08:58:45 2003 From: pclinux at charter.net (Carl Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:Question on Lilo, how to boot multiple distros In-Reply-To: <20030919033301.468.6635.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030919084709.029e4eb8@pop.charter.net> I haven't seen this mentioned before but, I love this boot manager. It's very small, simple & effective, runs from floppy (or anything else bootable) & can also be installed into the MBR. Really nice for booting many OSs on one computer. Try it out. http://gag.sourceforge.net/download.html >Hi all, > >I had a couple guys help me get my drive partitioned and lilo installed at >the installfest last weekend, and I just set up an extra partition for >slackware, even got slackware installed (I think, haven't been able to >boot to it yet). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From np at f-matic.net Fri Sep 19 10:23:54 2003 From: np at f-matic.net (nick phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sobig, or not sobig? Message-ID: <1063985034.3072.6.camel@debian> ok, so i know the whole sobig thing happened a while ago, but for some reason the volume of e-mail in my inbox has jumped up about 100% in the last 12 hours -- almost all fake "Important Critical Security Updates" from hdgsfsa@tech.microsoft.com, or notices that messages couldn't be delivered. is this something new, or am i just seeing the results of someone recently being hit with the sobig? just seemed a little odd, that's all.. thanks, nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Fri Sep 19 10:22:13 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sobig, or not sobig? In-Reply-To: <1063985034.3072.6.camel@debian> References: <1063985034.3072.6.camel@debian> Message-ID: <3F6B1F25.9000901@andersonfam.org> nick phillips wrote: > ok, so i know the whole sobig thing happened a while ago, but for some > reason the volume of e-mail in my inbox has jumped up about 100% in the > last 12 hours Same here...it's probably the W32/Swen@MM virus... http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100662.htm -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From markdeb.browne at comcast.net Thu Sep 18 22:58:57 2003 From: markdeb.browne at comcast.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus Message-ID: <042301c37e62$5b921160$1e02a8c0@zippy> My in mail is getting hammered with direct hits and bounces from yet another virus. Overnight I picked up enough to max out my Comcast 10 MB limit. This morning Norton did not know what it was. I got a new definition file at 8:30 to night and now they are just slipping into the bit bucket. If I shut off my machine overnight I think this thing will max out my inbox again. It would be nice if Comcast tossed this stuff out. Do you suppose these kiddies should get a different hobby; model railroads perhaps? I would suggest model rockets or chemistry, but the potential for mayhem may be a bit too strong. Sigh! Mark Browne _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Fri Sep 19 10:59:53 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus Message-ID: Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> markdeb.browne@comcast.net 09/18/03 10:58PM >>> >Do you suppose these kiddies should get a different hobby; model railroads >perhaps? I would suggest model rockets or chemistry, but the potential for >mayhem may be a bit too strong. No, I think you're on the right track. Perhaps we can thin the herd a bit. >Sigh! Sigh! Indeed. I just commented this morning that I'm ready for a career change, to something like woodworking. Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Sep 19 11:06:12 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting tonight! Message-ID: Follow-up announcement. --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, September 19, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Bulldog 2549 Lyndale Ave S Minneapolis, MN 55405 Phone: (612) 872-8636 Details: I know nothing about this place, but it was requested, and we obey! Come share a beer or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- Hope to see you there! Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Sep 19 11:06:12 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting tonight! Message-ID: Follow-up announcement. --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, September 19, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Bulldog 2549 Lyndale Ave S Minneapolis, MN 55405 Phone: (612) 872-8636 Details: I know nothing about this place, but it was requested, and we obey! Come share a beer or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- Hope to see you there! Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 19 11:17:17 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus In-Reply-To: <042301c37e62$5b921160$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <042301c37e62$5b921160$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <3F6B2C0D.5030800@visi.com> Send them to me I could use some fire wood cut and split! Sam. Mark Browne wrote: >My in mail is getting hammered with direct hits and bounces from yet another >virus. Overnight I picked up enough to max out my Comcast 10 MB limit. >This morning Norton did not know what it was. I got a new definition file at >8:30 to night and now they are just slipping into the bit bucket. > >If I shut off my machine overnight I think this thing will max out my inbox >again. It would be nice if Comcast tossed this stuff out. > > >Do you suppose these kiddies should get a different hobby; model railroads >perhaps? I would suggest model rockets or chemistry, but the potential for >mayhem may be a bit too strong. > >Sigh! > >Mark Browne > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 19 11:18:48 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting tonight! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F6B2C68.7090806@visi.com> Sorry can't make the beer meeting tonight. Jima wrote: > Follow-up announcement. > >--- snip --- > A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can >get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to >anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. > >When: >Friday, September 19, 2003 >6pm - 8pm > >Where: >Bulldog >2549 Lyndale Ave S >Minneapolis, MN 55405 >Phone: (612) 872-8636 > >Details: >I know nothing about this place, but it was requested, and we obey! >Come share a beer or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is >welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. >--- snip --- > > Hope to see you there! > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-announce mailing list >tclug-announce@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Sep 19 11:14:35 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting tonight! In-Reply-To: <3F6B2C68.7090806@visi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Sorry can't make the beer meeting tonight. > well you can't come anyways.. so there! Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 19 11:29:16 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus In-Reply-To: <3F6B2C0D.5030800@visi.com> References: <042301c37e62$5b921160$1e02a8c0@zippy> <3F6B2C0D.5030800@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F6B2EDC.8030808@visi.com> My ISP is Visi and I have no problems with viruses thanks to Postini. I did find 1 sobig that made it to my Postini account . Maybe the cable companies need to implement Postini. It would save them time and a lot of money. Sam. Sam MacDonald wrote: > Send them to me I could use some fire wood cut and split! > > Sam. > > Mark Browne wrote: > >> My in mail is getting hammered with direct hits and bounces from yet >> another >> virus. Overnight I picked up enough to max out my Comcast 10 MB limit. >> This morning Norton did not know what it was. I got a new definition >> file at >> 8:30 to night and now they are just slipping into the bit bucket. >> >> If I shut off my machine overnight I think this thing will max out my >> inbox >> again. It would be nice if Comcast tossed this stuff out. >> >> >> Do you suppose these kiddies should get a different hobby; model >> railroads >> perhaps? I would suggest model rockets or chemistry, but the >> potential for >> mayhem may be a bit too strong. >> >> Sigh! >> >> Mark Browne >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Sep 19 11:56:43 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus In-Reply-To: <3F6B2EDC.8030808@visi.com> References: <042301c37e62$5b921160$1e02a8c0@zippy> <3F6B2C0D.5030800@visi.com> <3F6B2EDC.8030808@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030919165643.GB31274@skuld.wookimus.net> On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 11:29:16AM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > My ISP is Visi and I have no problems with viruses thanks to Postini. > I did find 1 sobig that made it to my Postini account . Maybe > the cable companies need to implement Postini. It would save them time > and a lot of money. What a novel idea! ;-p It looks like Visi purchased the postini.com ISP product. Purchase! Hah! postfix + Amavisd-new + clamav + spamassassin works very well for us at CBS, thank you very much. ;-) Our setup currently looks like this: 1. SMTP Client connection to 25 (postfix) 1.1 Postfix checks ACL lists (whitelist, blacklist, DNSbl, etc) 1.1.1 Passes ACL, Accept for filtering 1.1.2 Fails ACL. Drop connection. 2. Filter message 2.1 Send message to localhost:10024 (amavis) 2.2 Amavisd-new receives message and performs virus checks (clamd) 2.2.1 If Virus, quarantine and send out notices to recip 2.3 Amavisd-new performs spam checks (spamassassin) 2.2.2 If Spam, label and pass for delivery 2.4 Amavisd-new delivers email 2.4.1 Send message to localhost:10025 (postfix) 3. Deliver message 3.1 Postfix accepts w/o ACL checks 3.2 Deliver messages to appropriate recipients Now, there's nothing special about having amavis, spamassassin, and clam antivirus on the localhost. We did have a separate machine running the filtering, but that one crashed on us recently and is being rebuilt. We could bypass the first step and send email directly to amavisd-new if we were allowed to change our MX records for cbs.umn.edu, but that presents some new and interesting problems itself. For example, postfix is not allowed to aggressively manage SMTP client connections to the domain servers. Amavisd-new doesn't have these sophisticated management methods, nor should it, IMHO. What I would really like to see with Postfix is a pluggable modules architecture that would allow you to customize the filtering process of email. Imagine a mod_python or mod_perl for postfix. Exim may be what I'm looking for, with its embedded perl interpretor. I'm not sure you can beat Exim for flexibility and scriptability. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030919/edcbe019/attachment.pgp From nate at refried.org Fri Sep 19 12:16:02 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus In-Reply-To: <042301c37e62$5b921160$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <042301c37e62$5b921160$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20030919171601.GA6759@refried.org> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 10:58:57PM -0500, Mark Browne wrote: > My in mail is getting hammered with direct hits and bounces from yet another > virus. Overnight I picked up enough to max out my Comcast 10 MB limit. I've noticed a lot more spam getting through at work. It's interesting so see the numbers from the Internet Storm Center. They seem to be sleeping right now yet the numbers are getting really high. Check out the "records" column in the past few days for port 25. > Date Sources Targets Records > 2003-09-19 1791 1058 5942493 > 2003-09-18 3248 3443 3651401 > 2003-09-17 3808 3857 128270 > 2003-09-16 3393 2574 118124 > 2003-09-15 3037 6897 143734 > > http://isc.incidents.org/port_details.html?port=25 Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Fri Sep 19 12:17:36 2003 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:01 2005 Subject: Fw: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus = Minnysota Computir Viris! (humor) Message-ID: <006501c37ed1$ef9219e0$0300000a@net.tsinks> Here is the new one in it's entirety, it can work on all systems - ja, fda -- Subject: Minnysota Computir Viris! Ve haf just sent ya da "NORVEGIAN VIRUS". Since ve do not haf any programmin experience and don't know how to actually damage yer computer, dis virus verks on da honor system. Please forward dis virus to eferyvone on yer mailin list and den manually delete all of da files on yer hard drive. Tank ya fer yer coperation. Dat's about it den. Sven and Ole P.S. Tel ya vat, if ya haf any problems, just send us a note dat ya need da virus again and ve'll send ya another copy. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Fri Sep 19 12:20:47 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B07D@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: nate@refried.org [mailto:nate@refried.org] > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 12:16 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus > > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 10:58:57PM -0500, Mark Browne wrote: > > My in mail is getting hammered with direct hits and bounces > from yet another > > virus. Overnight I picked up enough to max out my Comcast > 10 MB limit. > > I've noticed a lot more spam getting through at work. It's > interesting I think the whole Verisign thing might be to blame. I like the fact that bind was recently upgraded to stop the Verisign thing from happening. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/32873.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Fri Sep 19 12:48:01 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems reading some (not all) cdrom files, & CDROM HOWTO error In-Reply-To: <3F688F6B.1060305@lorenburlingame.com> References: <20030917163120.GA22400@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F688F6B.1060305@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <20030919124801.61e11182.william.layer@comcast.net> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:44:27 -0500 "Loren H. Burlingame" wrote: > I have a CD-Writer that over time seems to have lost the ability to > write reliably past the ~650MB mark and I get the type of errors you > described when I try to access the cd I created past that mark, > regardless of the drive I use to access it. > > also, the cd-writer in question will not read any disc past ~650MB. There is a common failure mode in all types of drives that use exposed guide rails upon which the read head travels (CD, floppy, etc). Dust and crud accumulates on the greased rails and gets packed into a knot on the rail at the end of the head travel. This limits the travel of the head and hence the capacity of the drive. Try opening up the drive and inspecting the rails at both ends of travel for any accumulations. Remove if found, then try to find some excess grease and re-distribute it on the rails. Make sure the head travels smoothly to both stops, with no hitches. Do not use any other type of grease than what you might find as excess around the rails, or you are really asking for it. Hope it helps. L _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Fri Sep 19 12:56:02 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: CDROM reading problems In-Reply-To: <3F68B5A1.1070101@goldengate.net> References: <20030917190102.26295.36858.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <3F68B5A1.1070101@goldengate.net> Message-ID: <20030919125602.222e8f97.william.layer@comcast.net> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:27:29 -0400 Charlie Obert wrote: > About reading and copying CDROMs - I have CDs that failed on copying > under Linux, that I could copy under Windows2000 using Nero on the same > machine, same CDROM read-write drive. What software did you use to read & write the image? Cdrdao under linux should be capable of just about anything that Nero can do in windows, but to deal with protected CDs, PSX / Dreamcast games etc, you need to specify some important options. A typical read process for a protected / PSX / DC disc would be: cdrdao read-cd --read-raw --datafile [filename.bin] --device [bus,id,lun] --driver generic-mmc-raw [filename.toc] [filename.bin] - The actual image file [bus,id,lun] - The SCSI-address of the used device [filename.toc] - The description file (Table Of Contents) To burn the resultant .bin/.toc set, you would use: cdrdao write --eject --speed [num] --device [bus,id,lun] --driver generic-mmc [filename.toc] Hope this helps. L _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Fri Sep 19 15:43:25 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:01 2005 Subject: New Career -- Was --Re: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309191543.25552.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Friday 19 September 2003 10:59 am, Bruce Broecker wrote: > >Sigh! > > Sigh! Indeed. > > I just commented this morning that I'm ready for a career change, to > something like woodworking. > > Bruce One Week left!!!! Then I'm outta here!!! I'm moving to Indiana and starting to sell books on the Ancient Near East. How much more obscure is that than Linux? :) That's right, Phil, I can finally start using all those obscure dead languages. I hope you get around to writing that Latin C compiler :) -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com Fri Sep 19 15:59:58 2003 From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:01 2005 Subject: New Career -- Was --Re: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus Message-ID: <02BDB709.154C6EBF.09BD8409@aol.com> While I don't presently work in IT, I'm in for quite a career change come April... I'm headed for the Air Force to be a boom operator (aerial refueler) on a tanker aircraft. Not much Linux up there either. -Nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 19 16:13:35 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:01 2005 Subject: New Career -- Was --Re: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus In-Reply-To: <02BDB709.154C6EBF.09BD8409@aol.com> References: <02BDB709.154C6EBF.09BD8409@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: > While I don't presently work in IT, I'm in for quite a career change > come April... I'm headed for the Air Force to be a boom operator (aerial > refueler) on a tanker aircraft. Not much Linux up there either. Eh, you can always introduce Linux into the refueling process somewhere. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 19 16:26:13 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:01 2005 Subject: New Career -- Was --Re: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus In-Reply-To: <200309191543.25552.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <200309191543.25552.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <3F6B7475.5000004@visi.com> Latin C compiler, that really sounds cool, I took Latin in high school and College! It's only been..... dam I ran out of fingers and toes :oD Sam. James Spinti wrote: >On Friday 19 September 2003 10:59 am, Bruce Broecker wrote: > > > >>>Sigh! >>> >>> >>Sigh! Indeed. >> >>I just commented this morning that I'm ready for a career change, to >>something like woodworking. >> >>Bruce >> >> > >One Week left!!!! Then I'm outta here!!! I'm moving to Indiana and starting >to sell books on the Ancient Near East. How much more obscure is that >than Linux? :) > >That's right, Phil, I can finally start using all those obscure dead >languages. I hope you get around to writing that Latin C compiler :) > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 19 17:49:03 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:01 2005 Subject: New Career -- Was --Re: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus In-Reply-To: References: <02BDB709.154C6EBF.09BD8409@aol.com> Message-ID: <1064011743.9121.1476.camel@3po> On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 16:13, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: > > While I don't presently work in IT, I'm in for quite a career change > > come April... I'm headed for the Air Force to be a boom operator (aerial > > refueler) on a tanker aircraft. Not much Linux up there either. > > Eh, you can always introduce Linux into the refueling process somewhere. > :) "...but it's so much easier on the command line!" ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ 99 percent of lawyers give / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ the rest a bad name. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030919/34f8a727/attachment.pgp From kremer at ringworld.org Fri Sep 19 18:16:36 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE certification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <50A970DD-EAF7-11D7-8586-000A957FC086@ringworld.org> Well, it all depends on what your plans are. If you're looking for a job that is directly related to linux, the RHCE would be a good certification to show them that you know your stuff. Especially if during an interview you explain to them that it is a hands on test of real world knowledge, not just a test of whether or not you read the book. That said, I just took the RHCE test and failed it miserably. (I passed the RHCT without much trouble on the first try) If you do go for the RHCE, I would recommend taking the class, asking questions in the class on ANYTHING you don't understand, being VERY familiar with the current release of Redhat (not Debian, not Slackware, Redhat) and getting a good nights sleep the night before! On Friday, September 19, 2003, at 08:37 AM, jerry.sommerdorf@gwslinux.com wrote: > > I am thinking about getting my RHCE certification. I need to know if > this would be a good cert to have. There doesn't seem to > be a lot of need for this certification. 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I didn't have any problems at work today (in Hudson, WI), but our network connection there is bounced through California before hitting the 'Net. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ To err is human. To moo / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ bovine. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030919/abd58196/attachment.pgp From rware at interplastic.com Fri Sep 19 18:31:53 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Akamai vs. RoadRunner Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B083@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Hicks [mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu] > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:22 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Akamai vs. RoadRunner > > > Has anyone else with RoadRunner in Minneapolis (or elsewhere) noticed > problems with Akamai-based sites over the last day or so? I've been > having trouble getting to some sites like Yahoo, > ZDNet/CNet(.com.com.com), Wired, and Best Buy, mostly because > images on > those sites won't load. come to think of it yahoo seemed slow last night, but I got images, I will try tonight and post back. > > I didn't have any problems at work today (in Hudson, WI), but our > network connection there is bounced through California before hitting > the 'Net. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ To err is human. To moo > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ bovine. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | > mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jerry.sommerdorf at gwslinux.com Fri Sep 19 18:30:16 2003 From: jerry.sommerdorf at gwslinux.com (jerry.sommerdorf@gwslinux.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE certification In-Reply-To: <50A970DD-EAF7-11D7-8586-000A957FC086@ringworld.org> Message-ID: My only fear is that I will pay big bucks for the classes to get my certification and have no place to use it. Is there a market for RHCE certified people?? Thanks, Jerry Sommerdorf Justin Kremer Sent by: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org 09/19/2003 06:16 PM Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org To tclug-list@mn-linux.org cc Subject Re: [TCLUG] RHCE certification Well, it all depends on what your plans are. If you're looking for a job that is directly related to linux, the RHCE would be a good certification to show them that you know your stuff. Especially if during an interview you explain to them that it is a hands on test of real world knowledge, not just a test of whether or not you read the book. That said, I just took the RHCE test and failed it miserably. (I passed the RHCT without much trouble on the first try) If you do go for the RHCE, I would recommend taking the class, asking questions in the class on ANYTHING you don't understand, being VERY familiar with the current release of Redhat (not Debian, not Slackware, Redhat) and getting a good nights sleep the night before! On Friday, September 19, 2003, at 08:37 AM, jerry.sommerdorf@gwslinux.com wrote: > > I am thinking about getting my RHCE certification. I need to know if > this would be a good cert to have. There doesn't seem to > be a lot of need for this certification. What's your thought??? > > Thanks, > Jerry Sommerdorf -- Justin Kremer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am working on the (heaven forbid) MCSE, because they are out there and I keep having to work with Bill's software-of-the-month club. Most of the certification is minimal in value. However, it is required by a lot of places as a way to show, along with your experience, that you may really know this stuff. Keep looking up, Tim Sinks ----- Original Message ----- From: jerry.sommerdorf@gwslinux.com To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RHCE certification My only fear is that I will pay big bucks for the classes to get my certification and have no place to use it. Is there a market for RHCE certified people?? Thanks, Jerry Sommerdorf Justin Kremer Sent by: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org 09/19/2003 06:16 PM Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org To tclug-list@mn-linux.org cc Subject Re: [TCLUG] RHCE certification Well, it all depends on what your plans are. If you're looking for a job that is directly related to linux, the RHCE would be a good certification to show them that you know your stuff. Especially if during an interview you explain to them that it is a hands on test of real world knowledge, not just a test of whether or not you read the book. That said, I just took the RHCE test and failed it miserably. (I passed the RHCT without much trouble on the first try) If you do go for the RHCE, I would recommend taking the class, asking questions in the class on ANYTHING you don't understand, being VERY familiar with the current release of Redhat (not Debian, not Slackware, Redhat) and getting a good nights sleep the night before! On Friday, September 19, 2003, at 08:37 AM, jerry.sommerdorf@gwslinux.com wrote: > > I am thinking about getting my RHCE certification. I need to know if > this would be a good cert to have. There doesn't seem to > be a lot of need for this certification. What's your thought??? > > Thanks, > Jerry Sommerdorf -- Justin Kremer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030919/3c1defa6/attachment.html From adamm at sihope.com Fri Sep 19 19:33:53 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Akamai vs. RoadRunner In-Reply-To: <1064013728.9067.1490.camel@3po> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure I would have heard something from at least one of my Road-Runner using sources, who visits CNN hourly. We have a local Akamai cluster installed at our office and haven't noticed any issues, so it wouldn't appear to be a network-wide thing. Perhaps whatever cluster serves your address space has a failing system, and you have that IP cached, so you keep noticing it? If you view the source of one of the pages, you can see the URL at Akamai it's calling - do an nslookup and see if you get multiple IP's returned? I see: $ dig a772.g.akamai.net ;; ANSWER SECTION: a772.g.akamai.net. 11 IN A 207.195.205.23 a772.g.akamai.net. 11 IN A 207.195.205.21 ... So I get multiple IP's in my address space back - see if you can reboot (windows) and force a new DNS query, or force it through Linux in your hosts file or something. On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Mike Hicks wrote: > Has anyone else with RoadRunner in Minneapolis (or elsewhere) noticed > problems with Akamai-based sites over the last day or so? I've been > having trouble getting to some sites like Yahoo, > ZDNet/CNet(.com.com.com), Wired, and Best Buy, mostly because images on > those sites won't load. > > I didn't have any problems at work today (in Hudson, WI), but our > network connection there is bounced through California before hitting > the 'Net. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ To err is human. To moo > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ bovine. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 19 20:40:28 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse Message-ID: <3F6BB00C.9010909@visi.com> I got a really nice serial mouse now I need to setup the critter. I changer the mouse in the system setup (BIOS) to use the serial port. Now that I think of it the serial port most likely didn't get installed when I installed debian. Hmmmm.. am I screwed? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 19 20:41:30 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Akamai vs. RoadRunner In-Reply-To: <1064013728.9067.1490.camel@3po> References: <1064013728.9067.1490.camel@3po> Message-ID: <3F6BB04A.9050108@visi.com> The internet sucks tonight, I've been bounce off so many servers it isn't funny. Mike Hicks wrote: >Has anyone else with RoadRunner in Minneapolis (or elsewhere) noticed >problems with Akamai-based sites over the last day or so? I've been >having trouble getting to some sites like Yahoo, >ZDNet/CNet(.com.com.com), Wired, and Best Buy, mostly because images on >those sites won't load. > >I didn't have any problems at work today (in Hudson, WI), but our >network connection there is bounced through California before hitting >the 'Net. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Sep 19 20:51:03 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... Message-ID: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com> Alright, I'm out of ideas. I cannot get Linux to load on my desktop! I'm sick of Windows, and want my Linux desktop back!!!! I've tried RH9, Slack9, Mandrake 9.2. All to no avail. I can get it installed with no errors, warnings or messages. Reboot, lilo comes up. Select Linux, and it starts to load, then chokes almost right after the "loading linux" so I can't see what/where it exactly fails. Screen goes blank, HDD spins a little and then nothing. I have to do a hard reset or power it off to reboot. At first I tried dual booting, Windows would come up okay. Then I tried only Slack, and it chokes the same. Heres the system: MSI 845PE Max Mainboard P4 2.53 GHz 1 Gig DDR Ram (don't recall speed) 40 Gig Maxtor EIDE HDD (did also at one point have an 80GB WD w/ 8MB cache) GeForce 4 ti4200 (dual output card) SB Live 5.1 sound card Linksys 10/100 NIC Any ideas? I'm drawing a blank on what else to do. I'm going thru withdrawals, without my fvwm2 and Slack fix I'm being dummified with Windows... -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Fri Sep 19 21:13:24 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse In-Reply-To: <3F6BB00C.9010909@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 08:40:28PM -0500 References: <3F6BB00C.9010909@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030919211324.A10104@thinkunix.net> try this: dpkg-reconfigure gpm you should get a curses interface that lets you reconfig your mouse. Sam MacDonald wrote: > I got a really nice serial mouse now I need to setup the critter. > > I changer the mouse in the system setup (BIOS) to use the serial port. > Now that I think of it the serial port most likely didn't get installed > when I installed debian. > > Hmmmm.. am I screwed? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 19 21:31:05 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse In-Reply-To: <20030919211324.A10104@thinkunix.net> References: <3F6BB00C.9010909@visi.com> <20030919211324.A10104@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <3F6BBBE9.8020200@visi.com> I've heard the term "curses" before and I've never really cared to ask until now. What does the term "curses" mean? Scot Jenkins wrote: >try this: dpkg-reconfigure gpm > >you should get a curses interface that lets you reconfig your mouse. > >Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>I got a really nice serial mouse now I need to setup the critter. >> >>I changer the mouse in the system setup (BIOS) to use the serial port. >>Now that I think of it the serial port most likely didn't get installed >>when I installed debian. >> >>Hmmmm.. am I screwed? >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Fri Sep 19 21:27:42 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse In-Reply-To: <3F6BBBE9.8020200@visi.com> References: <3F6BB00C.9010909@visi.com> <20030919211324.A10104@thinkunix.net> <3F6BBBE9.8020200@visi.com> Message-ID: <200309192127.42122.wilson@visi.com> On Friday 19 September 2003 09:31 pm, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I've heard the term "curses" before and I've never really cared to ask > until now. > What does the term "curses" mean? Curses is a C library that can be used to create GUI-like interfaces for the command line. One prominent example would be the Linux kernel configuration tool that you see when you 'make menuconfig'. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Fri Sep 19 21:29:23 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse In-Reply-To: <3F6BBBE9.8020200@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 09:31:05PM -0500 References: <3F6BB00C.9010909@visi.com> <20030919211324.A10104@thinkunix.net> <3F6BBBE9.8020200@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030919212923.B10104@thinkunix.net> it's a text mode "windowing" interface, kind of line a full screen dos app. man ncurses Sam MacDonald wrote: > I've heard the term "curses" before and I've never really cared to ask > until now. > What does the term "curses" mean? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Fri Sep 19 21:31:21 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse In-Reply-To: <200309192127.42122.wilson@visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 09:27:42PM -0500 References: <3F6BB00C.9010909@visi.com> <20030919211324.A10104@thinkunix.net> <3F6BBBE9.8020200@visi.com> <200309192127.42122.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030919213121.C10104@thinkunix.net> ok, so Tim's answer is more accurate, but hey, I just came from the tclug beer meeting :) Tim Wilson wrote: > On Friday 19 September 2003 09:31 pm, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > I've heard the term "curses" before and I've never really cared to ask > > until now. > > What does the term "curses" mean? > > Curses is a C library that can be used to create GUI-like interfaces for the > command line. One prominent example would be the Linux kernel configuration > tool that you see when you 'make menuconfig'. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 19 21:55:09 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Akamai vs. RoadRunner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064026509.9067.1499.camel@3po> Well, I think the real problem was with my web browser. I thought I had seen this problem both on my desktop and my laptop, but I may have been confused. After a while, I realized that my browser had been running for a few days. Upon reloading it, things are fine. I feel dumb for not restarting the browser sooner.. Anyway, perhaps the web browsers on my desktop and laptop ate some cookie of death that couldn't get purged off properly, and restarting the browser was the only way to fix it. It might have gotten stuck on some DNS query too, but the sites seemed to all be on different Akamai nodes.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I am a cipher, a cipher / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ wrapped in an enigma, \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) smothered in secret sauce. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030919/070ea563/attachment.pgp From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 19 22:35:57 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Akamai vs. RoadRunner In-Reply-To: <1064026509.9067.1499.camel@3po> References: <1064026509.9067.1499.camel@3po> Message-ID: <3F6BCB1D.5030806@visi.com> google "ports & netmeeting" It sort of looks like google got hacked! sam Mike Hicks wrote: >Well, I think the real problem was with my web browser. I thought I had >seen this problem both on my desktop and my laptop, but I may have been >confused. After a while, I realized that my browser had been running >for a few days. Upon reloading it, things are fine. > >I feel dumb for not restarting the browser sooner.. > >Anyway, perhaps the web browsers on my desktop and laptop ate some >cookie of death that couldn't get purged off properly, and restarting >the browser was the only way to fix it. It might have gotten stuck on >some DNS query too, but the sites seemed to all be on different Akamai >nodes.. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Fri Sep 19 23:55:23 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sobig, or not sobig? References: <1063985034.3072.6.camel@debian> Message-ID: <02fb01c37f33$666d88e0$0101a8c0@cascade> clam antivirus, postfix and amavis will make you life much better. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick phillips" To: Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:23 AM Subject: [TCLUG] sobig, or not sobig? > ok, so i know the whole sobig thing happened a while ago, but for some > reason the volume of e-mail in my inbox has jumped up about 100% in the > last 12 hours -- almost all fake "Important Critical Security Updates" > from hdgsfsa@tech.microsoft.com, or notices that messages couldn't be > delivered. is this something new, or am i just seeing the results of > someone recently being hit with the sobig? > > just seemed a little odd, that's all.. > > thanks, > nick > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Fri Sep 19 23:58:14 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus References: <042301c37e62$5b921160$1e02a8c0@zippy> <3F6B2C0D.5030800@visi.com> <3F6B2EDC.8030808@visi.com> Message-ID: <030a01c37f33$cc8e8de0$0101a8c0@cascade> Even with postini you life can be hell. Some VISI users are getting more than 1000 viruses per day. They can not even delete their spam without deleting there viruses first and Postini is forcing them to delete them 10 at a time (or email VISI to have them all deleted). Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam MacDonald" To: Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus > My ISP is Visi and I have no problems with viruses thanks to Postini. I > did find 1 sobig that made it to my Postini account . Maybe the > cable companies need to implement Postini. It would save them time and a > lot of money. > > Sam. > > Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > Send them to me I could use some fire wood cut and split! > > > > Sam. > > > > Mark Browne wrote: > > > >> My in mail is getting hammered with direct hits and bounces from yet > >> another > >> virus. Overnight I picked up enough to max out my Comcast 10 MB limit. > >> This morning Norton did not know what it was. I got a new definition > >> file at > >> 8:30 to night and now they are just slipping into the bit bucket. > >> > >> If I shut off my machine overnight I think this thing will max out my > >> inbox > >> again. It would be nice if Comcast tossed this stuff out. > >> > >> > >> Do you suppose these kiddies should get a different hobby; model > >> railroads > >> perhaps? I would suggest model rockets or chemistry, but the > >> potential for > >> mayhem may be a bit too strong. > >> > >> Sigh! > >> > >> Mark Browne > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Sep 20 02:19:05 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus In-Reply-To: <030a01c37f33$cc8e8de0$0101a8c0@cascade> References: <042301c37e62$5b921160$1e02a8c0@zippy> <3F6B2C0D.5030800@visi.com> <3F6B2EDC.8030808@visi.com> <030a01c37f33$cc8e8de0$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <3F6BFF69.7040705@visi.com> I only had 1 but I don't send and get eMail trash like a lot of people. I really don't get much spam, well at my yahoo eMail I do but not at my visi address. Sam. Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: >Even with postini you life can be hell. Some VISI users are getting more >than 1000 viruses per day. They can not even delete their spam without >deleting there viruses first and Postini is forcing them to delete them 10 >at a time (or email VISI to have them all deleted). > >Tom Veldhouse > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sam MacDonald" >To: >Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:29 AM >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus > > > > >>My ISP is Visi and I have no problems with viruses thanks to Postini. I >>did find 1 sobig that made it to my Postini account . Maybe the >>cable companies need to implement Postini. It would save them time and a >>lot of money. >> >>Sam. >> >>Sam MacDonald wrote: >> >> >> >>>Send them to me I could use some fire wood cut and split! >>> >>>Sam. >>> >>>Mark Browne wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>My in mail is getting hammered with direct hits and bounces from yet >>>>another >>>>virus. Overnight I picked up enough to max out my Comcast 10 MB limit. >>>>This morning Norton did not know what it was. I got a new definition >>>>file at >>>>8:30 to night and now they are just slipping into the bit bucket. >>>> >>>>If I shut off my machine overnight I think this thing will max out my >>>>inbox >>>>again. It would be nice if Comcast tossed this stuff out. >>>> >>>> >>>>Do you suppose these kiddies should get a different hobby; model >>>>railroads >>>>perhaps? I would suggest model rockets or chemistry, but the >>>>potential for >>>>mayhem may be a bit too strong. >>>> >>>>Sigh! >>>> >>>>Mark Browne >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Sep 20 02:30:53 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse Again Message-ID: <3F6C022D.7050708@visi.com> Well I think I found the problem but I'm not sure what to do. The track ball is configured in the BIOS of the computer, it has 2 settings, internal or serial. I believe the internal is a PS2 mouse connection. I set the BIOS to be serial The PS2 mouse gets found by "gpm" I set the BIOS to be internal the PS2 mouse gets found by "gpm" I have no clue what file I need to go after to edit so the PS2 mouse is not found or ignored. I even removed "gpm" did a shutdown -h now. Powered off and got the same results with 4 tests. Anyone have ideas. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Sat Sep 20 06:37:44 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... References: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F6C3C08.9030001@structural-wood.com> Shawn wrote: > Alright, I'm out of ideas. I cannot get Linux to load on my desktop! I'm sick of Windows, and want my Linux desktop back!!!! > I've tried RH9, Slack9, Mandrake 9.2. All to no avail. I can get it installed with no errors, warnings or messages. Reboot, lilo comes up. Select Linux, and it starts to load, then chokes almost right after the "loading linux" so I can't see what/where it exactly fails. Screen goes blank, HDD spins a little and then nothing. I have to do a hard reset or power it off to reboot. At first I tried dual booting, Windows would come up okay. Then I tried only Slack, and it chokes the same. > > Heres the system: > > MSI 845PE Max Mainboard > P4 2.53 GHz > 1 Gig DDR Ram (don't recall speed) > 40 Gig Maxtor EIDE HDD (did also at one point have an 80GB WD w/ 8MB cache) > GeForce 4 ti4200 (dual output card) > SB Live 5.1 sound card > Linksys 10/100 NIC > > Any ideas? I'm drawing a blank on what else to do. I'm going thru withdrawals, without my fvwm2 and Slack fix I'm being dummified with Windows... > Pull the sound card (and anything else that isn't needed for the install). After things are installed and running you can re-insert the hardware you want. You might want to pull some ram chips if you can. (Note that I haven't had any problems with the hardware you list, but you never know). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Sat Sep 20 07:12:46 2003 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... References: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <002201c37f70$8469d960$0300000a@net.tsinks> Shawn, In the loads I have done, this might be a problem with the screen or like someone else said the sound or other cards. By doing the text and even a custom install you can put in the proper name for the cards and monitor. It could be reading them wrong. Also, if you have it set up for 1024x768, knock it down a notch or 2. The adapter card is critical for this, also. Even if you have it close, it may not come up. If your're using RH9 it should have picked it up. Try the boot off of the floppy or a backup disk and go in and look at the terminfo dirs and all. Also, check the color setting. I had problems from RH5 - 8 with having to do the text and even custom until I got the cards and monitor right. You can test it in the install for the right one. I have had to do this on my old HP Pentium, no number 233MHz mahine as well as my Compaq 1700T laptop. Thanks, Tim Sinks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 8:51 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... > Alright, I'm out of ideas. I cannot get Linux to load on my desktop! I'm sick of Windows, and want my Linux desktop back!!!! > I've tried RH9, Slack9, Mandrake 9.2. All to no avail. I can get it installed with no errors, warnings or messages. Reboot, lilo comes up. Select Linux, and it starts to load, then chokes almost right after the "loading linux" so I can't see what/where it exactly fails. Screen goes blank, HDD spins a little and then nothing. I have to do a hard reset or power it off to reboot. At first I tried dual booting, Windows would come up okay. Then I tried only Slack, and it chokes the same. > > Heres the system: > > MSI 845PE Max Mainboard > P4 2.53 GHz > 1 Gig DDR Ram (don't recall speed) > 40 Gig Maxtor EIDE HDD (did also at one point have an 80GB WD w/ 8MB cache) > GeForce 4 ti4200 (dual output card) > SB Live 5.1 sound card > Linksys 10/100 NIC > > Any ideas? I'm drawing a blank on what else to do. I'm going thru withdrawals, without my fvwm2 and Slack fix I'm being dummified with Windows... > > -- > Shawn > > The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. > > Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Sat Sep 20 07:19:44 2003 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse References: <3F6BB00C.9010909@visi.com> <20030919211324.A10104@thinkunix.net> <3F6BBBE9.8020200@visi.com> Message-ID: <002501c37f71$7d2032c0$0300000a@net.tsinks> The 'curses' term comes from the Middle and Old English and refers to the calls for divine or supernatural powers through incantations or prayers. I have used these extensively on various machines of the tempermental persuasion. They don't do much good except to allow the blood to flow again Tim Sinks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam MacDonald" To: Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mouse > I've heard the term "curses" before and I've never really cared to ask > until now. > What does the term "curses" mean? > > > Scot Jenkins wrote: > > >try this: dpkg-reconfigure gpm > > > >you should get a curses interface that lets you reconfig your mouse. > > > >Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > > > >>I got a really nice serial mouse now I need to setup the critter. > >> > >>I changer the mouse in the system setup (BIOS) to use the serial port. > >>Now that I think of it the serial port most likely didn't get installed > >>when I installed debian. > >> > >>Hmmmm.. am I screwed? > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at JentgeS.NeT Sat Sep 20 08:55:47 2003 From: mj at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus In-Reply-To: <030a01c37f33$cc8e8de0$0101a8c0@cascade> References: <042301c37e62$5b921160$1e02a8c0@zippy> <3F6B2C0D.5030800@visi.com> <3F6B2EDC.8030808@visi.com> <030a01c37f33$cc8e8de0$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <3007.199.199.150.6.1064066147.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> And hence AUTHOR wrote: Thomas T. Veldhouse > Even with postini you life can be hell. Some VISI users are getting > more than 1000 viruses per day. They can not even delete their spam > without deleting there viruses first and Postini is forcing them to > delete them 10 at a time (or email VISI to have them all deleted). Bah. Procmail dumped 3 emails 'from microsoft support' into our spam box, norton says those messages have that virus in them. We didn't even add anything special in preparation. Existing recipe did it. Sometimes I think people are trying to get too fancy with that stuff. It pains me to say this but as far as visi goes, wev'e actually blocked any mail from 'metis.visi.com', even though it's our secondary MX. It's the biggest spam offender we've seen so far. I'm not sure just what's up with visi and mail these days, but it looks as though they're not doing much to prevent trouble from what we can see here.... In all fairness, there may be more to it than I'm aware of, but the stuff that was coming in from metis was obviously spam and much of it could easily be filtered. -mj > > Tom Veldhouse > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam MacDonald" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Yet another new virus > > >> My ISP is Visi and I have no problems with viruses thanks to Postini. >> I did find 1 sobig that made it to my Postini account . Maybe >> the cable companies need to implement Postini. It would save them time >> and a lot of money. >> >> Sam. >> >> Sam MacDonald wrote: >> >> > Send them to me I could use some fire wood cut and split! >> > >> > Sam. >> > >> > Mark Browne wrote: >> > >> >> My in mail is getting hammered with direct hits and bounces from >> yet another >> >> virus. Overnight I picked up enough to max out my Comcast 10 MB >> limit. This morning Norton did not know what it was. I got a new >> definition file at >> >> 8:30 to night and now they are just slipping into the bit bucket. >> >> >> >> If I shut off my machine overnight I think this thing will max out >> my inbox >> >> again. It would be nice if Comcast tossed this stuff out. >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you suppose these kiddies should get a different hobby; model >> railroads >> >> perhaps? I would suggest model rockets or chemistry, but the >> >> potential for >> >> mayhem may be a bit too strong. >> >> >> >> Sigh! >> >> >> >> Mark Browne >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sat Sep 20 09:02:19 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... In-Reply-To: <002201c37f70$8469d960$0300000a@net.tsinks> References: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com> <002201c37f70$8469d960$0300000a@net.tsinks> Message-ID: <20030920090219.28802bff.sfertch@real-time.com> Thanks Tim and Kent. I'll try pulling sound and a stick of ram (2 x 512MB sticks). However, the sound card and NIC was moved into this machine from my old Athlon 1GHz system and didn't have any problems there. Not sure if you're familiar with Slack installs Tim, but after you install them they are only text. No graphics like RH, Mandrake or SuSe by default. You have to configure X yourself. I've never been able to get Linux to install on this system and it's been bugging me ever since. I wish I was able to make it to the last installfest.... -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Sep 20 09:25:59 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RHCE certification In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F6C6377.1090300@real-time.com> jerry.sommerdorf@gwslinux.com madly scribbled on 09/19/2003 08:37 AM: > > I am thinking about getting my RHCE certification. I need to know if > this would be a good cert to have. There doesn't seem to > be a lot of need for this certification. What's your thought??? > > Thanks, > Jerry Sommerdorf Jerry, In order to get my MCSE/MCSA and CCNA, I went to a boot camp in Atlanta, GA (I got all three in a 3.5-week blitz). From my own experience, those certs did help me -- not necessarily to get hired at either my previous job or my current one (although that is possible), but to learn skills that I lacked, and fill in the gaps in my knowledge that I didn't even know I had. From that perspective, it was well worth the time and money to get the certs. The flip side is, if I had to do it over again, I would probably have tried to find some less-expensive classes. For myself, the boot camp was extremely helpful, simply because it got me away from everyday life with its distractions, and put me in a place where I pretty much had *nothing* better to do than study every night in my hotel room. But if you are highly motivated and disciplined, then you could just as easily buy a few $50-60 books (or less for recently-used ones) and learn the material on your own. What someone else said was true, about having the server hardware to practice on -- but you could always pick up something cheap on Ebay or elsewhere, use it for studying, and then sell it again on Ebay when you are done. I know lots of CCNE's and CCNP's have done exactly that when they were practicing for their Cisco certs. -- Dave Sherman - MCSE, MCSA, CCNA Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Sep 20 09:38:22 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse In-Reply-To: <20030919211324.A10104@thinkunix.net> References: <3F6BB00C.9010909@visi.com> <20030919211324.A10104@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <3F6C665E.3020605@visi.com> I tried "dpkg-reconfigure gpm" the results ****************************** Stopping mouse interface server: gpm. Starting mouse interface server: gpm debain:~# ****************************** no curses, well not like we were looking for :-( No mouse. Sam. Scot Jenkins wrote: >try this: dpkg-reconfigure gpm > >you should get a curses interface that lets you reconfig your mouse. > >Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>I got a really nice serial mouse now I need to setup the critter. >> >>I changer the mouse in the system setup (BIOS) to use the serial port. >>Now that I think of it the serial port most likely didn't get installed >>when I installed debian. >> >>Hmmmm.. am I screwed? >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Sat Sep 20 10:03:21 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problems installing on my new laptop Help..... Message-ID: <64565690.54861871.026842C8@netscape.net> Hello everyone I miss the beer meatings and looking foward to coming back home soon... I just pick up a new Compaq Presario 2175US and I'm having problems with the Video Card or I think thats my problem any way. I can load Debian no problem but just cant get a GUI at this time... X does'nt like me. hehehe Here is my System Info Please help... processor Mobile AMD? Athlon? XP-M Processor 2400+ memory 512MB DDR SDRAM (2 x 256MB) at 266MHz; Maximum Memory 1024MB DDR SDRAM (2 x 512MB) hard drive 40GB enhanced-IDE [gigabyte is defined as 1,000,000,000 bytes, accessible capacity may vary] multimedia drive DVD+CD-RW Combo (CD-read 24x; CD-write 8x; CD-rewrite 8x; DVD-read 8x) display 15.0" XGA TFT (1024 x 768) communications Integrated 10/100Base-T Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 connector),Integrated 54g wireless LAN video ATI MOBILITY? RADEON? (M6) 4X AGP and 3D architecture sound Internal speakers Volume control button and mute button Thanks again for your input..... I was told to get this driver but I'm not able to download it and dont no how to install it using wget from the comand line.(Dammm GUI people what can I say) ... ATI Proprietary Linux Driver 3.2.5 Download http://www2.ati.com/drivers/firegl/fglrx-glc22-4.3.0-3.2.5.i586.rpm Use wget to download the file and alien to convert it into a .deb __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Sep 20 10:07:47 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse Again In-Reply-To: <3F6C022D.7050708@visi.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Well I think I found the problem but I'm not sure what to do. > > The track ball is configured in the BIOS of the computer, it has 2 > settings, internal or serial. > I believe the internal is a PS2 mouse connection. > I set the BIOS to be serial > The PS2 mouse gets found by "gpm" > I set the BIOS to be internal > the PS2 mouse gets found by "gpm" the BIOS has really nothing to do with the mouse you are adding. i suspect that that setting that yo are playing with controls what the trackpad apears like to the OS. (just like on todays computers you can have a USB keyboard apear as a PS2 keyboard) my recommendation: set the Trackpad to use PS2, make sure all the serial ports are enabled in the bios. in debian, install gpm and configure to use /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1 basically: gpm -t -m /dev/ttyS0 do a gpm -t help for available mouse types, choose one that sounds somewhat close. i have yet to find something with an exact match. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Sat Sep 20 10:14:39 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse Again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <276C175C-EB7D-11D7-AC74-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> On Saturday, Sep 20, 2003, at 10:07 US/Central, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > >> Well I think I found the problem but I'm not sure what to do. >> >> The track ball is configured in the BIOS of the computer, it has 2 >> settings, internal or serial. >> I believe the internal is a PS2 mouse connection. >> I set the BIOS to be serial >> The PS2 mouse gets found by "gpm" >> I set the BIOS to be internal >> the PS2 mouse gets found by "gpm" > > the BIOS has really nothing to do with the mouse you are adding. i > suspect that that setting that yo are playing with controls what the > trackpad apears like to the OS. (just like on todays computers you can > have a USB keyboard apear as a PS2 keyboard) > > my recommendation: set the Trackpad to use PS2, make sure all the > serial ports are enabled in the bios. uhhh serial ports have nothing to do with PS2 > > in debian, install gpm and configure to use /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1 > basically: gpm -t -m /dev/ttyS0 gpm -t -m /dev/psaux > > do a gpm -t help for available mouse types, choose one that sounds > somewhat close. i have yet to find something with an exact match. > > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > http://redconcepts.net/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens http://us-admins.com/~blutgens/ US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Sep 20 10:26:27 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse Again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F6C71A3.3020309@visi.com> Maybe I miss worded the results I set the bios to be internal the PS2 mouse gets found by "gpm" But the track ball does not work Sam Munir Nassar wrote: >On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > >>Well I think I found the problem but I'm not sure what to do. >> >>The track ball is configured in the BIOS of the computer, it has 2 >>settings, internal or serial. >>I believe the internal is a PS2 mouse connection. >>I set the BIOS to be serial >>The PS2 mouse gets found by "gpm" >>I set the BIOS to be internal >>the PS2 mouse gets found by "gpm" >> >> > >the BIOS has really nothing to do with the mouse you are adding. i suspect that that setting that yo are playing with controls what the trackpad apears like to the OS. (just like on todays computers you can have a USB keyboard apear as a PS2 keyboard) > >my recommendation: set the Trackpad to use PS2, make sure all the serial ports are enabled in the bios. > >in debian, install gpm and configure to use /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1 >basically: gpm -t -m /dev/ttyS0 > >do a gpm -t help for available mouse types, choose one that sounds somewhat close. i have yet to find something with an exact match. > >Munir Nassar >RedConcepts.NET >http://redconcepts.net/ > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Sat Sep 20 11:37:18 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problems installing on my new laptop Help..... Message-ID: <3F8D45A1.37E8B577.026842C8@netscape.net> STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: >Hello everyone > >I miss the beer meatings and looking foward to coming back home soon... > >I just pick up a new Compaq Presario 2175US and I'm having problems with the Video Card or I think thats my problem any way. I can load Debian no problem but just cant get a GUI at this time... X does'nt like me. hehehe > > Here is my System Info Please help... > >processor Mobile AMD? Athlon? XP-M Processor 2400+ > >memory 512MB DDR SDRAM (2 x 256MB) at 266MHz; Maximum Memory 1024MB DDR SDRAM (2 x 512MB) > >hard drive 40GB enhanced-IDE [gigabyte is defined as 1,000,000,000 bytes, accessible capacity may vary] > >multimedia drive DVD+CD-RW Combo (CD-read 24x; CD-write 8x; CD-rewrite 8x; DVD-read 8x) > >display 15.0" XGA TFT (1024 x 768) > >communications Integrated 10/100Base-T Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 connector),Integrated 54g wireless LAN > >video ATI MOBILITY? RADEON? (M6) 4X AGP and 3D architecture > >sound Internal speakers Volume control button and mute button > >Thanks again for your input..... > >I was told to get this driver but I'm not able to download it and dont no how to install it using wget from the comand line.(Dammm GUI people what can I say) ... > >ATI Proprietary Linux Driver 3.2.5 Download >http://www2.ati.com/drivers/firegl/fglrx-glc22-4.3.0-3.2.5.i586.rpm >Use wget to download the file and alien to convert it into a .deb Know I was able to get a GUI by setting the Vidoe Driver to Genetric 32 RAM with a 15 LCD Display but no 3D driver, so I hope we can fix this.... The display is pass able but looks like crap. "O" I'm running Libranet2.8 __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. 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Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From np at f-matic.net Sat Sep 20 12:39:44 2003 From: np at f-matic.net (nick phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question re: ARP packets Message-ID: <1064079583.4815.7.camel@debian> hello list, just wondered if someone could satisfy my idle curiosity... i just downloaded ethereal and i've been playing around with capturing network traffic and looking through the results. i noticed that 99% of my traffic seems to be ARP requests from 65.27.80.1, with the request being "who has 65.xx.xx.xx?', with the address apparently cycling through all IP addresses under the 65 class a network. i assume this is fairly normal ARP procedure, but could anyone enlighten me as to exactly what's going on? or recommend a decent link for info? (most of the ones i've found seem to be more technical detail about the actual protocol, not how it is used..) i'm finding this network stuff fascinating and i'd like to try and work out what these various protocols are actually doing... thanks for any info! best, nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Sep 20 12:55:27 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sobig, or not sobig? References: <1063985034.3072.6.camel@debian> <02fb01c37f33$666d88e0$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <00da01c37fa0$5fcf9380$0201a8c0@brinstar> Thomas T. Veldhouse writes: > clam antivirus, postfix and amavis will make you life much better. Why bother with a full virus scanner, when something like this works better? I never get viruses and I never have to update it: http://qmail.org/qmail-smtpd-viruscan-1.1.patch I used to use Clam AntiVirus and switched to this. You could do the same thing for Postfix. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Sep 20 13:10:16 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question re: ARP packets References: <1064079583.4815.7.camel@debian> Message-ID: <010301c37fa2$71f90300$0201a8c0@brinstar> nick phillips writes: > i noticed that 99% > of my traffic seems to be ARP requests from 65.27.80.1, with the > request being "who has 65.xx.xx.xx?', with the address apparently > cycling through all IP addresses under the 65 class a network. This usually means that the computers that own those IP addresses are not running (or more specifically, answering ARP requests), but traffic is still going to them. When the router/switch gets a packet for one of those IPs, it sends an ARP request to determine where to send it. Since they never respond, the cycle repeats itself. If you wanted to have some fun, you could use arpspoof to reply to all of the requests. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Sep 20 13:34:03 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse Again In-Reply-To: <276C175C-EB7D-11D7-AC74-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Ben Lutgens wrote: > gpm -t -m /dev/psaux > did you read what he said? he has a SERIAL mouse /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1 Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Sat Sep 20 13:35:50 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... In-Reply-To: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030920183550.GA598@duron> On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 08:51:03PM -0500, Shawn wrote: > Alright, I'm out of ideas. I cannot get Linux to load on my desktop! I'm sick of Windows, and want my Linux desktop back!!!! > I've tried RH9, Slack9, Mandrake 9.2. All to no avail. I can get it installed with no errors, warnings or messages. Reboot, lilo comes up. Select Linux, and it starts to load, then chokes almost right after the "loading linux" so I can't see what/where it exactly fails. Screen goes blank, HDD spins a little and then nothing. I have to do a hard reset or power it off to reboot. At first I tried dual booting, Windows would come up okay. Then I tried only Slack, and it chokes the same. This sounds like a bootloader/bios/disk problem, the kernel is not getting unpacked and started right. Are you trying to boot a parition that is past 8G? Not sure how big a problem that is these days, just heard it can be. How is it partitioned? Maybe look at harddrive options in the BIOS.. When you do an install, most distros allow you to make a bootdisk. You should try one of these. They include a kernel that could work around any sort of early BIOS/disk problem like this. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sat Sep 20 18:05:26 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... In-Reply-To: <20030920183550.GA598@duron> References: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030920183550.GA598@duron> Message-ID: <20030920180526.257bda6d.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:35:50 -0500 Karl Bongers wrote: > > This sounds like a bootloader/bios/disk problem, the kernel is not > getting unpacked and started right. > > Are you trying to boot a parition that is past 8G? > Not sure how big a problem that is these days, just heard it can be. > How is it partitioned? Maybe look at harddrive options in the BIOS.. > > When you do an install, most distros allow you to make a bootdisk. > You should try one of these. They include a kernel that could > work around any sort of early BIOS/disk problem like this. > I have a 40GB EIDE HDD in this system. No different than I did in my Athlon 1GHz. Partitions are about the same size. 10GB for Windows, 30 GB (broken down into various sizes of course) for Linux. I was able to load and boot successfully on my old system. In fact the only time I went to Windows was to play a few games (EQ, EF2, WW2 Fightes mostly). I have the partitions broken down this way: hda1 - Windows 10 GB hda2 - / 750MB hda3 - swap 1.5GB hda4 - extended (rest of drive) hda5 - /usr 5 GB hda6 - /tmp 1.5 GB hda7 - /var 3GB I didn't create a /home yet, as I was trying to do a quick install to see if I could figure out the problems. Haven't had a chance to test again since my initial message on this. Remodeling the home tends to get in the way of such things. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Sat Sep 20 18:14:17 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... In-Reply-To: <20030920183550.GA598@duron> References: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030920183550.GA598@duron> Message-ID: <20030920231417.GA753@duron> then chokes almost right after the "loading linux" so I can't see what/where it exactly fails. Screen goes blank, HDD spins What I said in my last post is only valid if the kernel is not starting. Try to take note if the kernel starts or not. Look for some message after "loading linux". Or try adding "vga=ask" as a boot-time parameter. If the kernel is starting, this should stop it very early and prompt for vga settings. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Sat Sep 20 18:36:15 2003 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... References: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com><20030920183550.GA598@duron> <20030920180526.257bda6d.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00f301c37fcf$ff7f5a80$0300000a@net.tsinks> You may be having problems with the partitions past the 2gb and the 1024 cylinder. I have had problems with this. I set up a 200 mb home area for the boot at about 6 gb and put the swap right after it at 600 mb then I put the 8 gb of my main Linux ext2. I have used both Partition Magic and Ranish's programs. I had to be careful with this on both of them. Fact is the problem didn't show up with the 'past the 1024' error until the second boot after the install. However I could get the system up with the boot disk. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn" To: Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... > On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:35:50 -0500 > Karl Bongers wrote: > > > > > This sounds like a bootloader/bios/disk problem, the kernel is not > > getting unpacked and started right. > > > > Are you trying to boot a parition that is past 8G? > > Not sure how big a problem that is these days, just heard it can be. > > How is it partitioned? Maybe look at harddrive options in the BIOS.. > > > > When you do an install, most distros allow you to make a bootdisk. > > You should try one of these. They include a kernel that could > > work around any sort of early BIOS/disk problem like this. > > > > I have a 40GB EIDE HDD in this system. No different than I did in my Athlon 1GHz. Partitions are about the same size. 10GB for Windows, 30 GB (broken down into various sizes of course) for Linux. I was able to load and boot successfully on my old system. In fact the only time I went to Windows was to play a few games (EQ, EF2, WW2 Fightes mostly). > > I have the partitions broken down this way: > > hda1 - Windows 10 GB > hda2 - / 750MB > hda3 - swap 1.5GB > hda4 - extended (rest of drive) > hda5 - /usr 5 GB > hda6 - /tmp 1.5 GB > hda7 - /var 3GB > > I didn't create a /home yet, as I was trying to do a quick install to see if I could figure out the problems. Haven't had a chance to test again since my initial message on this. Remodeling the home tends to get in the way of such things. > > -- > Shawn > > The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. > > Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at askewview.net Sat Sep 20 19:04:27 2003 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using NFS shares on Windows? Message-ID: <3F6CEB0B.1060309@askewview.net> I'm just wondering if anyone has any reccomendations for a product that would let Windows XP or 2000 use a Linux NFS share? Thanks Adam Barthelemy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Sat Sep 20 19:11:42 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse Again In-Reply-To: <3F6C71A3.3020309@visi.com> References: <3F6C71A3.3020309@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030921001142.GB753@duron> On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 10:26:27AM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Maybe I miss worded the results > > I set the bios to be internal > the PS2 mouse gets found by "gpm" > But the track ball does not work > > Sam > Sam, heres a neat trick, you can look at raw character device data using a octal/hex dump tool(od or xxd). cat /dev/psaux | od Then move your trackball around. Any data coming out? If so then maybe you need to select some other hardware type for gpm. If not maybe you need to whack your laptop or check the bios. You can do the same on the serial port: /etc/init.d/gpm stop stty -F /dev/ttyS0 raw 1200 cat /dev/ttyS0 | od Another tidbit of info that might be useful: cat /proc/interrupts Are you getting any interrupts for the ps/2 device? When something has the serial or ps/2 port open, the data coming in will accumulate interrupts. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Sep 20 19:37:44 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using NFS shares on Windows? References: <3F6CEB0B.1060309@askewview.net> Message-ID: <000801c37fd8$92d6a5b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Adam writes: > I'm just wondering if anyone has any reccomendations for a product > that would let Windows XP or 2000 use a Linux NFS share? Use Samba. It is a much easier solution. I'm not aware of any free NFS clients for Windows. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at askewview.net Sat Sep 20 19:50:05 2003 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using NFS shares on Windows? In-Reply-To: <000801c37fd8$92d6a5b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3F6CEB0B.1060309@askewview.net> <000801c37fd8$92d6a5b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <3F6CF5BD.7070002@askewview.net> David Phillips wrote: >Adam writes: > > >>I'm just wondering if anyone has any reccomendations for a product >>that would let Windows XP or 2000 use a Linux NFS share? >> >> > >Use Samba. It is a much easier solution. I'm not aware of any free NFS >clients for Windows. > > > man its just one of those days *smacks himself* _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Sep 21 00:09:11 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse Again In-Reply-To: <20030921001142.GB753@duron> References: <3F6C71A3.3020309@visi.com> <20030921001142.GB753@duron> Message-ID: <3F6D3277.1080804@visi.com> Well that's tell me what I need to know. The serial port is not found anywhere and no resources are allocated (goes without saying). So where the f is it! I'm thinking the way this laptops hardware/BIOS is setup, with the setting for the mouse, set to the PS2 port during the install of debian, the serial port was not found at install. Hmmm... 26 diskettes to install without knowing if it would work. Any other ideas folks? *********************************** [From: Karl Bongers ] /etc/init.d/gpm stop *Result* Stopping mouse interface server: gpm. /etc/init.d/gpm stop stty -F /dev/ttyS0 raw 1200 cat /dev/ttyS0 | od *Results* stty: /dev/ttyS0: input/output error stty: /dev/ttyS1: input/output error [From: Karl Bongers ] cat /proc/interrupts *Results* CPU0 0: 4644729 XT-PIC timer 1: 789 XT-PIC keyboard 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 3: 1929 XT-PIC xirc2ps_cs 8: 3 XT-PIC rtc 11: 4 XT-PIC i82365 13: 0 XT-PIC fpu 14: 92546 XT-PIC ide0 NMI: 0 *********************************** _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Sun Sep 21 00:17:43 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse Again In-Reply-To: <3F6D3277.1080804@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 12:09:11AM -0500 References: <3F6C71A3.3020309@visi.com> <20030921001142.GB753@duron> <3F6D3277.1080804@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030921001743.A21804@thinkunix.net> try Karl's trick on the other com ports as well (/dev/ttyS1, /dev/ttyS2, etc...) I have an couple Gateway machines that the BIOS does strange numbering of COM ports. Instead of COM1 and COM2 they're COM2 and COM3. Especially with a laptop, who knows what the manufacturer was thinking that day. see what ports the kernel detects right after bootup: dmesg | grep tty you should see something like: ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A I don't think that your debian install will do evil things like renumber or hide com ports from you. Sam MacDonald wrote: > Well that's tell me what I need to know. > The serial port is not found anywhere and no resources are allocated > (goes without saying). > So where the f is it! > I'm thinking the way this laptops hardware/BIOS is setup, with the > setting for the mouse, set to the PS2 port during the install of debian, > the serial port was not found at install. Hmmm... 26 diskettes to > install without knowing if it would work. > > Any other ideas folks? > > *********************************** > [From: Karl Bongers ] > > /etc/init.d/gpm stop > *Result* > Stopping mouse interface server: gpm. > > /etc/init.d/gpm stop > > stty -F /dev/ttyS0 raw 1200 > cat /dev/ttyS0 | od > *Results* > stty: /dev/ttyS0: input/output error > stty: /dev/ttyS1: input/output error > > [From: Karl Bongers ] > cat /proc/interrupts > *Results* > CPU0 > 0: 4644729 XT-PIC timer > 1: 789 XT-PIC keyboard > 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade > 3: 1929 XT-PIC xirc2ps_cs > 8: 3 XT-PIC rtc > 11: 4 XT-PIC i82365 > 13: 0 XT-PIC fpu > 14: 92546 XT-PIC ide0 > NMI: 0 > *********************************** _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Sep 21 01:48:36 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse Again In-Reply-To: <20030921001743.A21804@thinkunix.net> References: <3F6C71A3.3020309@visi.com> <20030921001142.GB753@duron> <3F6D3277.1080804@visi.com> <20030921001743.A21804@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <3F6D49C4.6080401@visi.com> But no IRQ is allocated. I'll boot with a DOS disk, (tools I know well) *********** I didn't have COM1 under msd.exe I sort of hate when one setting in a BIOS can effect another and I don't think about it long enough. I checked the power settings in BIOS serial was "Disabled" one would think that would mean "don't turn the power off on the COM port" I "Enabled" it and restarted. COM1 is now found by msd.exe *********** stty -F /dev/ttyS0 raw 1200 cat /dev/ttyS0 | od now returns 9 colums of 6 digits scrolling. Moving the mouse does nothing. dmesg | grep tty returns ttyS00 at ox03f8 (irq = 4) is at 16450 Sam. Scot Jenkins wrote: >try Karl's trick on the other com ports as well (/dev/ttyS1, >/dev/ttyS2, etc...) I have an couple Gateway machines that the BIOS >does strange numbering of COM ports. Instead of COM1 and COM2 they're >COM2 and COM3. Especially with a laptop, who knows what the >manufacturer was thinking that day. > >see what ports the kernel detects right after bootup: > > dmesg | grep tty > >you should see something like: > > ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > >I don't think that your debian install will do evil things like renumber >or hide com ports from you. > >Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>Well that's tell me what I need to know. >>The serial port is not found anywhere and no resources are allocated >>(goes without saying). >>So where the f is it! >>I'm thinking the way this laptops hardware/BIOS is setup, with the >>setting for the mouse, set to the PS2 port during the install of debian, >>the serial port was not found at install. Hmmm... 26 diskettes to >>install without knowing if it would work. >> >>Any other ideas folks? >> >>*********************************** >>[From: Karl Bongers ] >> >>/etc/init.d/gpm stop >> *Result* >>Stopping mouse interface server: gpm. >> >>/etc/init.d/gpm stop >> >>stty -F /dev/ttyS0 raw 1200 >>cat /dev/ttyS0 | od >> *Results* >>stty: /dev/ttyS0: input/output error >>stty: /dev/ttyS1: input/output error >> >>[From: Karl Bongers ] >>cat /proc/interrupts >> *Results* >> CPU0 >>0: 4644729 XT-PIC timer >>1: 789 XT-PIC keyboard >>2: 0 XT-PIC cascade >>3: 1929 XT-PIC xirc2ps_cs >>8: 3 XT-PIC rtc >>11: 4 XT-PIC i82365 >>13: 0 XT-PIC fpu >>14: 92546 XT-PIC ide0 >>NMI: 0 >>*********************************** >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Sun Sep 21 18:46:37 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Streaked green display under Mplayer & Xine Message-ID: <20030921184637.47a1c187.william.layer@comcast.net> Hey ho, Built and installed the lastest Mplayer & Xine releases on the laptop. Randomly, when trying to play a file, the display (window, or fullscreen) is a uniform light green color with some streaking/smearing, but no moving video at all. Sound is running, and CPU load looks correct for playing - that is, high. I can't reprodce the problem on demand, it just happens sometimes. I've worked around it by retarting X, and at times, a reboot (!) Once it was cleared by just switching to fullscreen. I get this issue using any output device - sdl, x11, xv, etc. It's almost as if the player is looking at the wrong block of video memory - but that's a guess. X Spec: XFree86 Version 4.3.0 Release Date: 27 February 2003 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6 Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.20 i686 [ELF] Build Date: 01 March 2003 Before reporting problems, check http://www.XFree86.Org/ to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Video Spec: Trident Cyberblade i7, AGP, with 8MB of shared RAM. Mplayer spec: MPlayer 1.0pre1-3.2.2 (C) 2000-2003 MPlayer Team Xine spec: This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.9.22. (c) 2000-2003 The xine Team. Any ideas?? L _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Sun Sep 21 20:54:26 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Streaked green display under Mplayer & Xine In-Reply-To: <20030921184637.47a1c187.william.layer@comcast.net> References: <20030921184637.47a1c187.william.layer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F6E5652.2070200@lorenburlingame.com> Bill Layer wrote: >Hey ho, > >Built and installed the lastest Mplayer & Xine releases on the laptop. Randomly, when trying to play a file, the display (window, or fullscreen) is a uniform light green color with some streaking/smearing, but no moving video at all. Sound is running, and CPU load looks correct for playing - that is, high. > >I can't reprodce the problem on demand, it just happens sometimes. I've worked around it by retarting X, and at times, a reboot (!) Once it was cleared by just switching to fullscreen. I get this issue using any output device - sdl, x11, xv, etc. It's almost as if the player is looking at the wrong block of video memory - but that's a guess. > >X Spec: > >XFree86 Version 4.3.0 >Release Date: 27 February 2003 >X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6 >Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.20 i686 [ELF] >Build Date: 01 March 2003 > Before reporting problems, check http://www.XFree86.Org/ > to make sure that you have the latest version. >Module Loader present > >Video Spec: > >Trident Cyberblade i7, AGP, with 8MB of shared RAM. > > > IIRC there is a known issue with the Trident Cyberblade. From the Xine FAQ: Trident card: If you see vertical bands jumbled, upgrade to the latest xfree/experimental trident drivers (for the CyberBlade XP a driver exists here: http://www.xfree86.org/~alanh/ ) LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john4293 at umn.edu Mon Sep 22 00:22:39 2003 From: john4293 at umn.edu (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] several printing questions Message-ID: <20030922002239.2858b55b.john4293@umn.edu> i've been working on getting my printers fully up and running but I've run into several brick walls that i just can't seem to figure out. as of right now i've got lprng working using apsfilter to set up my two printers (HP laserjet IIp & deskjet 512c). i've been trying to set up samba to allow the windows machines around here access to the printers as well. i've been able to print test pages from windows and linux machines, but only when i connect to the printer as root. when i try connecting as my user i get an unable to connect message from the windows-XP client and no indication of problems from the linux client, but no test page either. i'm thinking it may be some sort of permission issue, but can't for the life of me figure out what it is. any ideas (smb.conf and directory listings are below) the other problem i'm trying to track down is with the laserjet II. when i send jobs to it from linux, it takes ~1 minute (per page) for the job to get sent to the printer, whereas jobs from windows clients print almost immediately. not knowing much about printing in general, my working theory is that windows is sending data formatted as RAW (from test page output), and linux is sending data as PS (or something), which is taking a lot longer for the printer to read. can anyone confirm this, or know what's going on and how to correct it? one more thing, i recently snagged a laserjet 5L from a trash pile. upon opening it up i found that the power switch had popped loose. i think that is all that was wrong with it but i don't have a toner cartridge to test it and i'd like to know it works before i spend $60 on toner. does anyone have a toner cartridge that i could haul my printer over and plug in to make sure it's working? thanks a bundle, tom =============================== smb.conf [global] workgroup = HIVE27 server string = Samba Server encrypt passwords = Yes log file = /opt/samba/var/log.%m max log size = 50 os level = 64 preferred master = Yes domain master = Yes dns proxy = No wins server = 192.168.129.27 guest account = ftp hosts allow = 192.168. 127. --CUT UNRELATED PARTS-- [printers] path = /var/spool/samba printable = Yes printing = lprng print command = /usr/bin/lpr -P%p -r %s lpq command = /usr/bin/lpq -P%p lprm command = /usr/bin/lprm -P%p %j lppause command = /usr/sbin/lpc hold %p %j lpresume command = /usr/sbin/lpc release %p %j queuepause command = /usr/sbin/lpc stop %p queueresume command = /usr/sbin/lpc start %p browseable = No =================================== directory listings: root@dali:/var/spool# ls -l total 28 drwxr-x--x 3 root root 4096 Sep 21 23:47 cron/ drwx--x--x 4 lp lp 4096 Sep 21 22:31 lpd/ drwxrwxrwt 2 root mail 4096 Sep 21 23:53 mail/ drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 May 26 1994 pcnfs/ drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4096 May 14 16:23 postfix/ drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Feb 12 1994 rwho/ drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 4096 Sep 21 23:59 samba/ root@dali:/var/spool# ls -l samba/ total 0 root@dali:/var/spool# ls -l lpd/ total 8 -rw------- 1 lp lp 0 Sep 4 15:30 acct drwxrwxrwt 2 lp lp 4096 Sep 21 22:25 bak/ -rw------- 1 lp lp 0 Sep 4 15:30 control.pr drwxrwxrwt 2 lp lp 4096 Sep 21 23:55 hp2/ -rw------- 1 lp lp 0 Sep 4 15:30 log -rw------- 1 lp lp 0 Sep 4 15:30 status -rw------- 1 lp lp 0 Sep 4 15:30 status.pr root@dali:/var/spool# ls -l lpd/hp2/ total 64 -rw------- 1 lp lp 1897 Sep 21 23:47 acct -rw------- 1 lp lp 180 Sep 21 22:58 cfA616nicholas.example.org -rw------- 1 lp lp 0 Sep 21 16:28 control.pr -rw------- 1 lp lp 22663 Sep 21 22:58 dfA616nicholas.example.org -rw------- 1 lp lp 616 Sep 21 22:58 hfA616 -rw-rw-r-- 1 lp lp 0 Sep 21 16:28 lock -rw------- 1 lp lp 0 Sep 22 00:05 lock.pr -rw------- 1 lp lp 80 Sep 21 23:47 log -rw------- 1 lp lp 5764 Sep 21 23:48 lpq.0 -rw------- 1 lp lp 0 Sep 21 16:28 status -rw------- 1 lp lp 9637 Sep 21 23:47 status.pr -rw------- 1 lp lp 6 Sep 21 23:47 unspooler.pr Thomas Johnson -------------- john4293 at umn dot edu 763.458.9071 (cell) -------------- * if it's not broken, i haven't worked hard enough. * there is little truth in men but much cunning. -peter the great _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Mon Sep 22 07:53:21 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] several printing questions In-Reply-To: <20030922002239.2858b55b.john4293@umn.edu> References: <20030922002239.2858b55b.john4293@umn.edu> Message-ID: <200309220753.21554.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Monday 22 September 2003 12:22 am, Thomas Johnson wrote: > one more thing, i recently snagged a laserjet 5L from a trash pile. upon > opening it up i found that the power switch had popped loose. i think > that is all that was wrong with it but i don't have a toner cartridge to > test it and i'd like to know it works before i spend $60 on toner. does > anyone have a toner cartridge that i could haul my printer over and plug > in to make sure it's working? > > thanks a bundle, > tom If you live in the Chaska area, give me a call here at work. We have several HP5 printers and would let you use a toner cartridge to test it. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Mon Sep 22 08:45:18 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using NFS shares on Windows? In-Reply-To: <3F6CEB0B.1060309@askewview.net> References: <3F6CEB0B.1060309@askewview.net> Message-ID: <20030922084518.37a1ad2b.list@slushpupie.com> On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:04:27 -0500 Adam wrote: >I'm just wondering if anyone has any reccomendations for a product that >would let Windows XP or 2000 use a Linux NFS share? Adam, after seeing your setup, I dont think you really want an NFS solution for windows- but for anyone else out there who might be interested: Microsoft makes a "Unix Services for Windows" which allows windows to participate in NIS, and NFS activities (server/client), as well as giving a native C shell (not via cygwin or other libs). I have installed it at work (they have a 180 day trial you can download), and while its not the easiest to set up, if you are going to be moving away from windows in your network, it can make a smoother transition (get the servers switched over first, then the desktops). Obviously MS meant for this to go the other way, but works nicely in both directions. If you are looking for a non-MS solution, the only other product I have worked with is from Humming Bird (dont remember the product name right now). All I remember was it was horribly expensive for the limited functionality it provided. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bgilbertson at stonel.com Mon Sep 22 08:49:28 2003 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] several printing questions References: <20030922002239.2858b55b.john4293@umn.edu> Message-ID: <3F6EFDE8.9010707@stonel.com> Might try adding 'security = SHARE' to [global]. I prefer cups but YMMV. print command = lpr-cups -P %p -o raw %s -r # using client side printer drivers. 'man smb.conf' for more info. Remember to restart smb after changes. Bob Thomas Johnson wrote: >[global] > workgroup = HIVE27 > server string = Samba Server > encrypt passwords = Yes > log file = /opt/samba/var/log.%m > max log size = 50 > os level = 64 > preferred master = Yes > domain master = Yes > dns proxy = No > wins server = 192.168.129.27 > guest account = ftp > hosts allow = 192.168. 127. > >--CUT UNRELATED PARTS-- > >[printers] > path = /var/spool/samba > printable = Yes > printing = lprng > print command = /usr/bin/lpr -P%p -r %s > lpq command = /usr/bin/lpq -P%p > lprm command = /usr/bin/lprm -P%p %j > lppause command = /usr/sbin/lpc hold %p %j > lpresume command = /usr/sbin/lpc release %p %j > queuepause command = /usr/sbin/lpc stop %p > queueresume command = /usr/sbin/lpc start %p > browseable = No > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Mon Sep 22 09:18:43 2003 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problems installing on my new laptop Help..... Message-ID: Can you run lspci at a prompt and show us the output? Jeff Rasmussen -----Original Message----- From: STEVEWABC@netscape.net [mailto:STEVEWABC@netscape.net] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 10:03 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Problems installing on my new laptop Help..... Hello everyone I miss the beer meatings and looking foward to coming back home soon... I just pick up a new Compaq Presario 2175US and I'm having problems with the Video Card or I think thats my problem any way. I can load Debian no problem but just cant get a GUI at this time... X does'nt like me. hehehe Here is my System Info Please help... processor Mobile AMD? Athlon? XP-M Processor 2400+ memory 512MB DDR SDRAM (2 x 256MB) at 266MHz; Maximum Memory 1024MB DDR SDRAM (2 x 512MB) hard drive 40GB enhanced-IDE [gigabyte is defined as 1,000,000,000 bytes, accessible capacity may vary] multimedia drive DVD+CD-RW Combo (CD-read 24x; CD-write 8x; CD-rewrite 8x; DVD-read 8x) display 15.0" XGA TFT (1024 x 768) communications Integrated 10/100Base-T Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 connector),Integrated 54g wireless LAN video ATI MOBILITY? RADEON? (M6) 4X AGP and 3D architecture sound Internal speakers Volume control button and mute button Thanks again for your input..... I was told to get this driver but I'm not able to download it and dont no how to install it using wget from the comand line.(Dammm GUI people what can I say) ... ATI Proprietary Linux Driver 3.2.5 Download http://www2.ati.com/drivers/firegl/fglrx-glc22-4.3.0-3.2.5.i586.rpm Use wget to download the file and alien to convert it into a .deb __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030922/956d4b85/attachment.html From jspinti at dartdist.com Mon Sep 22 09:28:04 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using NFS shares on Windows? In-Reply-To: <20030922084518.37a1ad2b.list@slushpupie.com> References: <3F6CEB0B.1060309@askewview.net> <20030922084518.37a1ad2b.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <200309220928.04330.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Monday 22 September 2003 08:45 am, Jay Kline wrote: > On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:04:27 -0500 > > Adam wrote: > >I'm just wondering if anyone has any reccomendations for a product that > >would let Windows XP or 2000 use a Linux NFS share? > > If you are looking for a non-MS solution, the only other product I have > worked with is from Humming Bird (dont remember the product name right > now). All I remember was it was horribly expensive for the limited > functionality it provided. We have used a product called TUN Plus from Esker for both lpd and NFS on Windows. It is very expensive, but, it does work very well. I think they are up to about version 11 now. It is a full suite of programs, terminal emulation, ODBC remote access as well as NFS, ftpd and lpd. They used to have a trial version on the net -- http://www.esker.com/esker_com/products/tunplus_home.html It looks like they have added scp since I looked at it last. We are running versions 8 & 9 on a few machines here. It works well, but as I said, it is not cheap. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cxobert at goldengate.net Mon Sep 22 08:39:41 2003 From: cxobert at goldengate.net (Charlie Obert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Re: CDROM reading problems (Bill Layer) In-Reply-To: <20030919225201.29393.41161.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030919225201.29393.41161.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F6EFB9D.4060304@goldengate.net> Thanks for the response on this one. I should really give more information. I am running Mandrake 9.1, and the copy program I am using in this case is K3B, which uses cdrdao to duplicate CDs, and is set up to use the generic-mmc driver on my machine. The drive is a Lite-On LTR-28426S that came on a General Nanosys system. On most CDs I have this works just fine. On some of them, though, cdrdao fails, telling me I have a bad sector or a read error, but Nero under Win2000 is able to read the same disk. The copy of Nero came with the drive and with the system and is designed to work only with the drive it came with, according to the Nero CD label. As far as I can tell K3B generates the command syntax described in the response. Interestingly, the same CDs that I cannot duplicate, I can open up in a browse window and access files just fine. I am curious if anyone else has run into anything like this. This is one of those annoying little cases where I have to keep M* around to do things it does better than Linux as far as I can figure out. Cheers, Charlie O >--__--__-- > >Message: 13 >Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:56:02 -0500 >From: Bill Layer >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: CDROM reading problems >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:27:29 -0400 >Charlie Obert wrote: > > > >>About reading and copying CDROMs - I have CDs that failed on copying >>under Linux, that I could copy under Windows2000 using Nero on the same >>machine, same CDROM read-write drive. >> >> > >What software did you use to read & write the image? > >Cdrdao under linux should be capable of just about anything that Nero can do in windows, but to deal with protected CDs, PSX / Dreamcast games etc, you need to specify some important options. A typical read process for a protected / PSX / DC disc would be: > >cdrdao read-cd --read-raw --datafile [filename.bin] --device >[bus,id,lun] --driver generic-mmc-raw [filename.toc] > >[filename.bin] - The actual image file >[bus,id,lun] - The SCSI-address of the used device >[filename.toc] - The description file (Table Of Contents) > >To burn the resultant .bin/.toc set, you would use: > >cdrdao write --eject --speed [num] --device [bus,id,lun] --driver >generic-mmc [filename.toc] > >Hope this helps. > >L > > > -- Cheers, Charlie Obert "We've discovered librarians are very networked and seem to know about everything before it happens." Pardon my Freedom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Mon Sep 22 09:45:53 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (amy@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bad gzip magic numbers Message-ID: <20030922144553.GG1484@real-time.com> I'm trying to boot to debian bootdisk created by autoinstall. It loads initrd fine but when it tries to load the kernel, I get this error: bad gzip magic numbers -- System Halted Does anyone know what that error message means? It sounds like it's having problems uncompressing the kernel. I compiled the kernel using make-kpkg. Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Sep 22 10:05:18 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problems installing on my new laptop Help..... In-Reply-To: <64565690.54861871.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > I just pick up a new Compaq Presario 2175US and I'm having problems with > the Video Card or I think thats my problem any way. I can load Debian no > problem but just cant get a GUI at this time... X does'nt like me. > hehehe *snip* > processor Mobile AMD??? Athlon??? XP-M Processor 2400+ *snip* > video ATI MOBILITY??? RADEON??? (M6) 4X AGP and 3D architecture Wil, Carl: Does this thing sound anything like the "nice Windows box" from last October's installfest? Just seems a bit familiar. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ry4an-tclug at ry4an.org Mon Sep 22 10:16:40 2003 From: ry4an-tclug at ry4an.org (Ry4an Brase) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PGP Key Signing - Thursday, October 23rd Message-ID: <20030922151639.GK1423@ry4an.org> There will be a PGP key-signing held on Thursday, October 23, 2003 from 7:00pm to 7:30pm in the ACM room on the U of MN campus. Full details at: http://ry4an.org/keysigning/ What's a key-signing? A key-signing is a get-together with PGP users for the purpose of meeting other PGP users and signing each other's keys. This helps to extend the "web of trust" to a great degree. Also, it sometimes serves as a forum to discuss strong cryptography and related issues. Required Items? 1. Physical attendance 2. Positive picture ID 3. Your key ID, key type, HEX fingerprint, and key size 4. A pen/pencil or whatever you'd like to write with.... 5. NO computer Why should I use PGP? You should use PGP, if you need (or want) to protect your personal emails from being read by individuals or entities other than your intended recipient(s). PGP, when used correctly, can provide message privacy, message integrity, message authentication, and to some degree non-repudibility. OK. What are some good applications of PGP? Protection of email traffic of a sensitive nature, such as the coordination of response to ongoing security incidents, requests for DNS modifications, requests for networking changes and exchange of sensitive personal information like SSNs. At the very least, it would be useful to have all such messages signed, so the recipients could be sure that the notes were not forged. Please forward this note to anyone who may be interested in attending. -- Ry4an Brase - http://ry4an.org /~\ 'If you're not a rebel when you're 20 you've got no heart; if \ / you're not establishment when you're 30 you've got no brain.' X Join the ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML email / \ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Mon Sep 22 10:16:50 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bad gzip magic numbers In-Reply-To: <20030922144553.GG1484@real-time.com> References: <20030922144553.GG1484@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030922101650.1d6a2881.list@slushpupie.com> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:45:53 -0500 amy@real-time.com wrote: >I'm trying to boot to debian bootdisk created by autoinstall. It loads >initrd fine but when it tries to load the kernel, I get this error: > >bad gzip magic numbers > >-- System Halted > >Does anyone know what that error message means? It sounds like it's having >problems uncompressing the kernel. I compiled the kernel using make-kpkg. >Thanks. It sounds like gzip libraries may have a problem on the compiling box. After you have the initrd image, can you extract the kernel and uncompress it manually? Can you do that for a kernel that DOES boot? Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nota12b at iglide.net Mon Sep 22 11:24:59 2003 From: nota12b at iglide.net (nota12b) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] visioneer scanner in linux In-Reply-To: <20030922170004.24102.3833.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: Just got rid of an old scanner, and lo and behold Office Max has a good $ on one, BUT it's a Visioneer (and exp with even WinXP tells me there are issues here, so I'm expecting Linux to be as hard). Specifics: Proposed scanner - Visioneer 6600 USB Running RH9, and contemplating SuSE 8.2 Pro (very soon, RH's survey-ware is getting old, and between them, SuSE, and Mdk, RH is the ONLY one that doesn't auto-mount the external HD, so....) Does anybody know if this works? With RH? With SuSE? Or can you recommend a 'cheap' scanner that does work with either RH or SuSE? Tanx all in advance! Wil "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - George Orwell _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Sep 22 11:30:15 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] visioneer scanner in linux In-Reply-To: References: <20030922170004.24102.3833.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030922163014.GD31288@fandre.com> Check the SANE website. http://www.mostang.com/sane/ On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, nota12b wrote: > Just got rid of an old scanner, and lo and behold Office Max has a good $ on > one, BUT it's a Visioneer (and exp with even WinXP tells me there are issues > here, so I'm expecting Linux to be as hard). > > Specifics: > Proposed scanner - Visioneer 6600 USB > Running RH9, and contemplating SuSE 8.2 Pro (very soon, RH's survey-ware is > getting old, and between them, SuSE, and Mdk, RH is the ONLY one that > doesn't auto-mount the external HD, so....) > > Does anybody know if this works? With RH? With SuSE? Or can you recommend a > 'cheap' scanner that does work with either RH or SuSE? > > Tanx all in advance! > > Wil > > "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to > visit violence on those who would do us harm." - George Orwell > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Mon Sep 22 11:47:36 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (amy@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bad gzip magic numbers In-Reply-To: <20030922101650.1d6a2881.list@slushpupie.com> References: <20030922144553.GG1484@real-time.com> <20030922101650.1d6a2881.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20030922164735.GL1484@real-time.com> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 10:16:50AM -0500, Jay Kline (list@slushpupie.com) wrote: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:45:53 -0500 > amy@real-time.com wrote: > >I'm trying to boot to debian bootdisk created by autoinstall. It loads > >initrd fine but when it tries to load the kernel, I get this error: > > > >bad gzip magic numbers > > > >-- System Halted > > > >Does anyone know what that error message means? It sounds like it's having > >problems uncompressing the kernel. I compiled the kernel using make-kpkg. > >Thanks. > > It sounds like gzip libraries may have a problem on the compiling box. After > you have the initrd image, can you extract the kernel and uncompress it > manually? Can you do that for a kernel that DOES boot? How do you do that? Maybe I don't understand completely, but from what I've read, the kernel has a built-in mini gunzip so that standard gunzip commands won't work on it. In the meantime, I recompiled the kernel on a different box and it got past Loading linux .... but partway into Uncompressing Linux it just reboots, so now it looks like I have another issue. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Sep 22 13:14:31 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] visioneer scanner in linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, nota12b wrote: > Does anybody know if this works? With RH? With SuSE? Or can you > recommend a 'cheap' scanner that does work with either RH or SuSE? I've had good experience with the Canon LIDE 30 under Debian. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 22 14:25:42 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: [tcphp] safe_mode: writing files, uploading] Message-ID: <3F6F4CB6.50809@visi.com> Perhaps someone could help Tom with this, and enlighten the rest of us? Sam. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [tcphp] safe_mode: writing files, uploading Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:25:47 -0500 From: PHPTOm To: Hello all, The shared server I work on at work has safe mode on by default. When I try to write a file to the server, I get a permission denied error. I know that the script has a UID of 549 which is the same as user18. User18 owns the web folders I am trying to write to and the are chmod'd 755 (redhat 9 server), but I still get the error. Is writing files to the server off no matter what in safe_mode? Also, is uploading not allowed at all? I have limited experience with linux/apache/php admin and shared servers, so any and all feedback or resources anyone has for me are welcome. TOm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe@tcphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help@tcphp.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 22 14:35:57 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse Again In-Reply-To: <3F6D49C4.6080401@visi.com> References: <3F6C71A3.3020309@visi.com> <20030921001142.GB753@duron> <3F6D3277.1080804@visi.com> <20030921001743.A21804@thinkunix.net> <3F6D49C4.6080401@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F6F4F1D.20805@visi.com> I have the mouse working, I reinstalled Linux with the serial port enabled, configured the mouse to ttyS0 and it worked. And all my packages and everything (well almost everything) is wonderful. Thanks to all! Sam. Sam MacDonald wrote: > But no IRQ is allocated. > I'll boot with a DOS disk, (tools I know well) > *********** > I didn't have COM1 under msd.exe > I sort of hate when one setting in a BIOS can effect another and I > don't think about it long enough. > I checked the power settings in BIOS serial was "Disabled" one would > think that would mean "don't turn the power off on the COM port" I > "Enabled" it and restarted. > COM1 is now found by msd.exe > *********** > stty -F /dev/ttyS0 raw 1200 > cat /dev/ttyS0 | od > now returns > 9 colums of 6 digits scrolling. Moving the mouse does nothing. > > dmesg | grep tty > returns > ttyS00 at ox03f8 (irq = 4) is at 16450 > > Sam. > > > Scot Jenkins wrote: > >> try Karl's trick on the other com ports as well (/dev/ttyS1, >> /dev/ttyS2, etc...) I have an couple Gateway machines that the BIOS >> does strange numbering of COM ports. Instead of COM1 and COM2 >> they're COM2 and COM3. Especially with a laptop, who knows what the >> manufacturer was thinking that day. >> >> see what ports the kernel detects right after bootup: >> >> dmesg | grep tty >> >> you should see something like: >> >> ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A >> ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A >> >> I don't think that your debian install will do evil things like renumber >> or hide com ports from you. >> >> Sam MacDonald wrote: >> >> >>> Well that's tell me what I need to know. >>> The serial port is not found anywhere and no resources are allocated >>> (goes without saying). So where the f is it! >>> I'm thinking the way this laptops hardware/BIOS is setup, with the >>> setting for the mouse, set to the PS2 port during the install of >>> debian, the serial port was not found at install. Hmmm... 26 >>> diskettes to install without knowing if it would work. >>> >>> Any other ideas folks? >>> >>> *********************************** >>> [From: Karl Bongers ] >>> >>> /etc/init.d/gpm stop >>> *Result* >>> Stopping mouse interface server: gpm. >>> >>> /etc/init.d/gpm stop >>> >>> stty -F /dev/ttyS0 raw 1200 >>> cat /dev/ttyS0 | od >>> *Results* >>> stty: /dev/ttyS0: input/output error >>> stty: /dev/ttyS1: input/output error >>> >>> [From: Karl Bongers ] >>> cat /proc/interrupts >>> *Results* >>> CPU0 >>> 0: 4644729 XT-PIC timer >>> 1: 789 XT-PIC keyboard >>> 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade >>> 3: 1929 XT-PIC xirc2ps_cs >>> 8: 3 XT-PIC rtc >>> 11: 4 XT-PIC i82365 >>> 13: 0 XT-PIC fpu >>> 14: 92546 XT-PIC ide0 >>> NMI: 0 >>> *********************************** >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dante at argle.org Mon Sep 22 14:37:36 2003 From: dante at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bad gzip magic numbers In-Reply-To: <20030922164735.GL1484@real-time.com> References: <20030922144553.GG1484@real-time.com> <20030922101650.1d6a2881.list@slushpupie.com> <20030922164735.GL1484@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F6F4F80.6020503@argle.org> amy@real-time.com wrote: > > How do you do that? > > Maybe I don't understand completely, but from what I've read, the kernel > has a built-in mini gunzip so that standard gunzip commands won't work on it. > This is correct. > In the meantime, I recompiled the kernel on a different box and it got > past Loading linux .... but partway into Uncompressing Linux it just > reboots, so now it looks like I have another issue. > Last time I saw this it was a memory failure. Other possibilities: Bad floppy drive/disk. Poor connection of floppy cable. Some really wierd BIOS issue. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Mon Sep 22 16:48:38 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: [tcphp] safe_mode: writing files, uploading] In-Reply-To: <3F6F4CB6.50809@visi.com> References: <3F6F4CB6.50809@visi.com> Message-ID: <1064267318.25392.22.camel@lotsa> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 14:25, Sam MacDonald wrote: > The shared server I work on at work has safe mode on by default. > When I try to write a file to the server, I get a permission denied error. > I know that the script has a UID of 549 which is the same as user18. User18 > owns the web folders I am trying to write to and the are chmod'd 755 (redhat > 9 server), but I still get the error. Is writing files to the server off no > matter what in safe_mode? Also, is uploading not allowed at all? > > I have limited experience with linux/apache/php admin and shared servers, so > any and all feedback or resources anyone has for me are welcome. > > TOm The script runs with the permissions of the user who ran the script, not with the permissions of the script itself. The script is probably running as user "apache". Do a "ps -ef|grep httpd" to find out what user your web server is running as. There are many ways to fix this. You could change the ownership of your directories "chown apache:apache /path/to/YourWebFolder" so the user "apache" has access to the folder. Or you could add both users to a group and change permissions so that anyone within that group can access the folder. groupadd phpuser usermod -G phpuser apache usermod -G phpuser user18 chgrp phpuser /path/to/YourWebFolder chmod 775 /path/to/YourWebFolder I hope this helps -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From np at f-matic.net Mon Sep 22 17:23:23 2003 From: np at f-matic.net (nick phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] red hat installer (re:Installfest Distro Recommendation) Message-ID: <1064269403.32407.10.camel@debian> just a quick note to whoever-it-was asking for a distro recommendation... i had to do a linux install at work for an old celeron box we have lying around, and so i first tried debian, the distro i'm used to working with. i grabbed an old o'reilly debian 2.1 book (i work at a used bookstore, so i could only really use what we had on end), which failed to recognize the ethernet card, and then got stuck in dselect dependency hell, probably because of some problem with the original install cd. after a few minutes of fscking around, i gave up and tried an o'reilly redhat 8.0 disk, and wow - coming from debian, the red hat installer is pretty damn impressive. instantaneous Xwindows installer, ethernet card detected, easy resolution selection -- now i see why red hat has such a following... the only problem i had was figuring out how to get on to the redhat network -- apparently i needed to update up2date and install a new SSL key, and i still couldn't easily figure how to install new packages from RPM with the ease of apt-get, but i'm sure that's my redhat newbieism speaking, not red hat.. anyway, i'm sure this is old news to everyone here, but since i was the one promoting debian before i figured i'd let the world know the errors of my ways.. :) best, nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Mon Sep 22 18:18:47 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] crazy idea Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBDF@mail.temgweb.com> So, I have this program that needs to dial something via a modem. It uses some /dev/ttyGXXX devices on a 48 port modem card under linux. But, the thing that the program talks to on the other side is available over the network and supplies the exact same data on a tcp port, and dialing is slow and can cost money if the app is running somewhere without a local access number. Is there a way to make those /dev/ttyGXXX devices spawn a network connection to that particular port? Can I rip out the module for that device and create identical devices to emulate the modem and open a network connection? The app cannot be changed, so it needs to happen at the OS level. -jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jerry.sommerdorf at gwslinux.com Mon Sep 22 18:56:19 2003 From: jerry.sommerdorf at gwslinux.com (jerry.sommerdorf@gwslinux.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] red hat installer (re:Installfest Distro Recommendation) In-Reply-To: <1064269403.32407.10.camel@debian> Message-ID: Just a note. Use apt4rpm to update your system. It easy and you don't have to register your system. I am using it on my RH9.0 box and it works great. I got the apt rpm by doing a search on rpmfind.net Jerry Sommerdorf nick phillips Sent by: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org 09/22/2003 05:23 PM Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org To tclug-list@mn-linux.org cc Subject [TCLUG] red hat installer (re:Installfest Distro Recommendation) just a quick note to whoever-it-was asking for a distro recommendation... i had to do a linux install at work for an old celeron box we have lying around, and so i first tried debian, the distro i'm used to working with. i grabbed an old o'reilly debian 2.1 book (i work at a used bookstore, so i could only really use what we had on end), which failed to recognize the ethernet card, and then got stuck in dselect dependency hell, probably because of some problem with the original install cd. after a few minutes of fscking around, i gave up and tried an o'reilly redhat 8.0 disk, and wow - coming from debian, the red hat installer is pretty damn impressive. instantaneous Xwindows installer, ethernet card detected, easy resolution selection -- now i see why red hat has such a following... the only problem i had was figuring out how to get on to the redhat network -- apparently i needed to update up2date and install a new SSL key, and i still couldn't easily figure how to install new packages from RPM with the ease of apt-get, but i'm sure that's my redhat newbieism speaking, not red hat.. anyway, i'm sure this is old news to everyone here, but since i was the one promoting debian before i figured i'd let the world know the errors of my ways.. :) best, nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"df" says filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 170274 86777 74706 54% / I would need a printcap local that looks like this to print to a remote printer. # REMOTE djet695 :lp=:\** :rm="machine":\ :rp="printer":\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/remote:\ :mx#0:\ :sh: I get "lpr: cannot open remote" the remote hosts.allow has the machine name in it. the remote hosts has the ip and name in it. I must be missing something... do I need an entry to "ssh"? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Mon Sep 22 21:01:35 2003 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: [tcphp] safe_mode: writing files, uploading] In-Reply-To: <1064267318.25392.22.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: it does! thanks again. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tom Penney Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 4:49 PM To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [Fwd: [tcphp] safe_mode: writing files, uploading] On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 14:25, Sam MacDonald wrote: > The shared server I work on at work has safe mode on by default. > When I try to write a file to the server, I get a permission denied error. > I know that the script has a UID of 549 which is the same as user18. User18 > owns the web folders I am trying to write to and the are chmod'd 755 (redhat > 9 server), but I still get the error. Is writing files to the server off no > matter what in safe_mode? Also, is uploading not allowed at all? > > I have limited experience with linux/apache/php admin and shared servers, so > any and all feedback or resources anyone has for me are welcome. > > TOm The script runs with the permissions of the user who ran the script, not with the permissions of the script itself. The script is probably running as user "apache". Do a "ps -ef|grep httpd" to find out what user your web server is running as. There are many ways to fix this. You could change the ownership of your directories "chown apache:apache /path/to/YourWebFolder" so the user "apache" has access to the folder. Or you could add both users to a group and change permissions so that anyone within that group can access the folder. groupadd phpuser usermod -G phpuser apache usermod -G phpuser user18 chgrp phpuser /path/to/YourWebFolder chmod 775 /path/to/YourWebFolder I hope this helps -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Mon Sep 22 22:45:35 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] visioneer scanner in linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309222245.35880.jack@jacku.com> On Monday 22 September 2003 11:24 am, nota12b wrote: > Just got rid of an old scanner, and lo and behold Office Max has a good $ > on one, BUT it's a Visioneer (and exp with even WinXP tells me there are > issues here, so I'm expecting Linux to be as hard). > > Specifics: > Proposed scanner - Visioneer 6600 USB > Running RH9, and contemplating SuSE 8.2 Pro (very soon, RH's survey-ware is > getting old, and between them, SuSE, and Mdk, RH is the ONLY one that > doesn't auto-mount the external HD, so....) > > Does anybody know if this works? With RH? With SuSE? Or can you recommend a > 'cheap' scanner that does work with either RH or SuSE? > > Tanx all in advance! > > Wil > > "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to > visit violence on those who would do us harm." - George Orwell FWIW I have a Visioneer 7100 USB that definitly does NOT work with SuSE 8.2 at this time. Not sure about the 6600. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Mon Sep 22 22:46:14 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To SMB or not to SMB that is the question. In-Reply-To: <3F6F980E.10802@visi.com> References: <3F6F980E.10802@visi.com> Message-ID: <2435.192.1.1.23.1064288774.squirrel@dccmn.com> lpd does not use SMB, nor SSH, nor RSH. It has it's own port and protocol. Is lpd running on the lp server? port blocked? Sam MacDonald said: > I'm pounding this laptop in to the ground using my fingers :o) > > I have a printer on my home network, > one is connected to W2K server and shared as "Deskjet" > > I can print from my Redhat box, I'm running Samba on that machine. > so I know Linux can print using that printer. > My Debian laptop does not have Samba installed, I'm not sure I want to > install it as it takes almost 12 megabytes of disk space. > "df" says > filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda1 170274 86777 74706 54% / > > I would need a printcap local that looks like this to print to a remote > printer. > > # REMOTE djet695 > :lp=:\** > :rm="machine":\ > :rp="printer":\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/remote:\ > :mx#0:\ > :sh: > > I get "lpr: cannot open remote" > the remote hosts.allow has the machine name in it. > the remote hosts has the ip and name in it. > I must be missing something... > > do I need an entry to "ssh"? > > Sam. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Mon Sep 22 22:52:07 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] crazy idea In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBDF@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBDF@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <2445.192.1.1.23.1064289127.squirrel@dccmn.com> If I understand it, possibly you could use a pty as your psudo-modem, and then run netcat on that to connect over the network. I did this many years ago. I have no idea how well (if at all) it would work on Linux. It depends on now the program access the modem, etc. Austad, Jay said: > So, I have this program that needs to dial something via a modem. It > uses some /dev/ttyGXXX devices on a 48 port modem card under linux. > But, the thing that the program talks to on the other side is available > over the network and supplies the exact same data on a tcp port, and > dialing is slow and can cost money if the app is running somewhere > without a local access number. > > Is there a way to make those /dev/ttyGXXX devices spawn a network > connection to that particular port? Can I rip out the module for that > device and create identical devices to emulate the modem and open a > network connection? The app cannot be changed, so it needs to happen at > the OS level. > > -jay > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 22 23:09:03 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To SMB or not to SMB that is the question. In-Reply-To: <2435.192.1.1.23.1064288774.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <3F6F980E.10802@visi.com> <2435.192.1.1.23.1064288774.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <3F6FC75F.4020904@visi.com> The other machine is working fine, I'm going to byte the bullet and install samba on by debian box. Wayne Johnson wrote: >lpd does not use SMB, nor SSH, nor RSH. It has it's own port and protocol. > >Is lpd running on the lp server? port blocked? > >Sam MacDonald said: > > >>I'm pounding this laptop in to the ground using my fingers :o) >> >>I have a printer on my home network, >> one is connected to W2K server and shared as "Deskjet" >> >>I can print from my Redhat box, I'm running Samba on that machine. >> so I know Linux can print using that printer. >>My Debian laptop does not have Samba installed, I'm not sure I want to >>install it as it takes almost 12 megabytes of disk space. >>"df" says >>filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on >>/dev/hda1 170274 86777 74706 54% / >> >>I would need a printcap local that looks like this to print to a remote >> printer. >> >># REMOTE djet695 >> :lp=:\** >> :rm="machine":\ >> :rp="printer":\ >> :sd=/var/spool/lpd/remote:\ >> :mx#0:\ >> :sh: >> >>I get "lpr: cannot open remote" >> the remote hosts.allow has the machine name in it. >> the remote hosts has the ip and name in it. >>I must be missing something... >> >>do I need an entry to "ssh"? >> >>Sam. >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Sep 22 23:41:44 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] crazy idea In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBDF@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBDF@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030923044144.GA9439@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 06:18:47PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Is there a way to make those /dev/ttyGXXX devices spawn a network connection > to that particular port? Can I rip out the module for that device and > create identical devices to emulate the modem and open a network connection? > The app cannot be changed, so it needs to happen at the OS level. > > -jay You would need to make the device the application tries to open a FIFO, then write an application that listens on the fifo, emulates a modem (you only need some basic emulation), then connects to the remote device and passes data back and forth. Should be relatively easy as long as the application isn't trying to do any sophisticated ioctl's (and checking the return values) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 22 22:07:34 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Message-ID: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> I did something ctrl - shift - alt ? now I'm on tty3 Sometimes it don't pay! Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Sep 23 00:05:10 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> References: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030923000510.000071a1.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:07:34 -0500 Sam MacDonald wrote: > I did something ctrl - shift - alt ? > now I'm on tty3 > > Sometimes it don't pay! Trying to get back to X? Use Ctrl+Alt+F7 Virtual terminals are actually your friend... :) Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Tue Sep 23 07:09:48 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using NFS shares on Windows? Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B087@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Kline [mailto:list@slushpupie.com] > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 8:45 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Using NFS shares on Windows? > > > On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:04:27 -0500 > Adam wrote: > >I'm just wondering if anyone has any reccomendations for a > product that > >would let Windows XP or 2000 use a Linux NFS share? > > Adam, after seeing your setup, I dont think you really want > an NFS solution > for windows- but for anyone else out there who might be interested: > > Microsoft makes a "Unix Services for Windows" which allows windows to > participate in NIS, and NFS activities (server/client), as > well as giving a > native C shell (not via cygwin or other libs). I have > installed it at work > (they have a 180 day trial you can download), and while its > not the easiest > to set up, if you are going to be moving away from windows in > your network, Funny, I'll bet Microsoft imagined the transition going the other direction:) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Sep 23 08:02:18 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To SMB or not to SMB that is the question. In-Reply-To: <3F6FC75F.4020904@visi.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > The other machine is working fine, I'm going to byte the bullet and > install samba on by debian box. > actually what you probably want to do is this: (assuming that the redhat system has a default install of lprng) configure the redhat box to print to the windows printer (done) configure the debian box to print to the redhat print queue Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 23 08:16:27 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Using NFS shares on Windows? In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B087@ipserver2.interplastic.com> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B087@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <3F7047AB.4010503@visi.com> Be careful with setting this up, it works when the 180 day trial ends you may have some issues uninstalling. Sam. Ryan Ware wrote: > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Jay Kline [mailto:list@slushpupie.com] >>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 8:45 AM >>To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Using NFS shares on Windows? >> >> >>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:04:27 -0500 >>Adam wrote: >> >> >>>I'm just wondering if anyone has any reccomendations for a >>> >>> >>product that >> >> >>>would let Windows XP or 2000 use a Linux NFS share? >>> >>> >>Adam, after seeing your setup, I dont think you really want >>an NFS solution >>for windows- but for anyone else out there who might be interested: >> >>Microsoft makes a "Unix Services for Windows" which allows windows to >>participate in NIS, and NFS activities (server/client), as >>well as giving a >>native C shell (not via cygwin or other libs). I have >>installed it at work >>(they have a 180 day trial you can download), and while its >>not the easiest >>to set up, if you are going to be moving away from windows in >>your network, >> >> > >Funny, I'll bet Microsoft imagined the transition going the other >direction:) > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 23 08:17:47 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To SMB or not to SMB that is the question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F7047FB.7020507@visi.com> no lprng on the redhat box. Munir Nassar wrote: >On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > >>The other machine is working fine, I'm going to byte the bullet and >>install samba on by debian box. >> >> >> > >actually what you probably want to do is this: >(assuming that the redhat system has a default install of lprng) > >configure the redhat box to print to the windows printer (done) >configure the debian box to print to the redhat print queue > >Munir Nassar >RedConcepts.NET >http://redconcepts.net/ > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Tue Sep 23 08:32:30 2003 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] red hat installer (re:Installfest Distro Recommendati on) Message-ID: There is a better program than dselect called aptitude. I have had only one problem with dselect and that was when I was running unstable. I haven't had that problem with aptitude. Aptitude is a nice ncurses menu system that will allow you to set defaults for dependencies. You could set it for picking up all suggested packages. I usually just end up keeping the original defaults. Another neat program for debian is discover. This allows for automatic detection of hardware. I believe it is based off of Mandrake's detection software. Jeff Rasmussen -----Original Message----- From: nick phillips [mailto:np@f-matic.net] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 5:23 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] red hat installer (re:Installfest Distro Recommendation) just a quick note to whoever-it-was asking for a distro recommendation... i had to do a linux install at work for an old celeron box we have lying around, and so i first tried debian, the distro i'm used to working with. i grabbed an old o'reilly debian 2.1 book (i work at a used bookstore, so i could only really use what we had on end), which failed to recognize the ethernet card, and then got stuck in dselect dependency hell, probably because of some problem with the original install cd. after a few minutes of fscking around, i gave up and tried an o'reilly redhat 8.0 disk, and wow - coming from debian, the red hat installer is pretty damn impressive. instantaneous Xwindows installer, ethernet card detected, easy resolution selection -- now i see why red hat has such a following... the only problem i had was figuring out how to get on to the redhat network -- apparently i needed to update up2date and install a new SSL key, and i still couldn't easily figure how to install new packages from RPM with the ease of apt-get, but i'm sure that's my redhat newbieism speaking, not red hat.. anyway, i'm sure this is old news to everyone here, but since i was the one promoting debian before i figured i'd let the world know the errors of my ways.. :) best, nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The RPM is LPRng-3.*.rpm you can find the right one for your system at http://rhn.redhat.com search for "LPRng" or find it on your cds :-) cd /mnt/cdrom find ./ -name LPRng* My System: [tomp@lotsa tomp]$ locate lprng /var/run/lprng /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kdeprint/lprng.docbook /usr/share/man/man1/lprng_certs.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/lprng_index_certs.1.gz /usr/share/apps/kdeprint/lprngtooldriver1 -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Tue Sep 23 08:50:23 2003 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problems installing on my new laptop Help..... Message-ID: I poked around the ATI website and they didn't seem to support laptop mobility chips. Why did you download the rpm package under firegl? Did you find something on the internet that connected the two? I've had a lot of problems getting 3D to work using Debian. Probably to do with the versions that debian uses. I was finally able to get 3D to work on a new Dell GX260 by installing X version 4.3 (unofficial package found on www.apt-get.org) and installing drm-trunk-source (another unofficial packages found on dri.sourceforge.net) then you have to unpack the tarball under /usr/src and run 'make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --append-to-version -1-686 modules_image' under /usr/src/linux I found all the information that I needed under dri.sourceforge.net but it wasn't easy. I finally found a webpage by someone creating the driver for dri that mentioned what versions were necessary before 3D would work. I'd be happy to help you look for more information. Jeff Rasmussen -----Original Message----- From: STEVEWABC@netscape.net [mailto:STEVEWABC@netscape.net] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 10:03 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Problems installing on my new laptop Help..... Hello everyone I miss the beer meatings and looking foward to coming back home soon... I just pick up a new Compaq Presario 2175US and I'm having problems with the Video Card or I think thats my problem any way. I can load Debian no problem but just cant get a GUI at this time... X does'nt like me. hehehe Here is my System Info Please help... processor Mobile AMD? Athlon? XP-M Processor 2400+ memory 512MB DDR SDRAM (2 x 256MB) at 266MHz; Maximum Memory 1024MB DDR SDRAM (2 x 512MB) hard drive 40GB enhanced-IDE [gigabyte is defined as 1,000,000,000 bytes, accessible capacity may vary] multimedia drive DVD+CD-RW Combo (CD-read 24x; CD-write 8x; CD-rewrite 8x; DVD-read 8x) display 15.0" XGA TFT (1024 x 768) communications Integrated 10/100Base-T Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 connector),Integrated 54g wireless LAN video ATI MOBILITY? RADEON? (M6) 4X AGP and 3D architecture sound Internal speakers Volume control button and mute button Thanks again for your input..... I was told to get this driver but I'm not able to download it and dont no how to install it using wget from the comand line.(Dammm GUI people what can I say) ... ATI Proprietary Linux Driver 3.2.5 Download http://www2.ati.com/drivers/firegl/fglrx-glc22-4.3.0-3.2.5.i586.rpm Use wget to download the file and alien to convert it into a .deb __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Tue Sep 23 09:34:29 2003 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problems with ALSA Message-ID: I've finally got ALSA to work with Gnome/Debian/unstable but I am no longer getting sound when running something like SolarWolf. SolarWolf was working before the upgrade, so I am thinking that it is pointing to the old configuration /dev and not the new ALSA ones. Is there some type of symbolic link I can create? I went through the ALSA how-to and my /dev/snd seems to have a little different structure. /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p and /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c are available on my system and the how-to shows symbolic links like: /dev/audio --> /dev/snd/pcmC0D0 Thanks, Jeff Rasmussen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030923/d67313fb/attachment.html From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Sep 23 09:31:54 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] crazy idea In-Reply-To: <20030923044144.GA9439@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: Maybe do something similar to what my TiVo does? My TiVo is hooked up to a Linux box via a null modem cable. The Linux box runs pppd on the serial device, and answers calls from TiVo, and forwards the traffic over it's ethernet connection. Not sure if a similar setup would be useful to you or not, but throwing it out there anyway. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Sep 23 10:03:18 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh 3.7.1 compile problem with crusty openssl Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBE3@mail.temgweb.com> I'm trying to compile openssh 3.7.1 with Openssl 0.9.5a (patched for security problems). I'm getting a bunch of errors and it's failing. This is on a crusty old redhat 6.2 box, so it has an old gcc on it and other such things. Anyone know how I can get it to compile? I can't upgrade the box because there's an app running on it that would need to be recompiled and I don't have the source for it. gcc -g -O2 -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wno-uninitialized -I. -I. -DSSHDIR=\"/etc/ssh\" -D_PATH_SSH_PROGRAM=\"/usr/bin/ssh\" -D_PATH_SSH_ASKPASS_DEFAULT=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-askpass\" -D_PATH_SFTP_SERVER=\"/usr/libexec/sftp-server\" -D_PATH_SSH_KEY_SIGN=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-keysign\" -D_PATH_SSH_PIDDIR=\"/var/run\" -D_PATH_PRIVSEP_CHROOT_DIR=\"/var/empty\" -DSSH_RAND_HELPER=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-rand-helper\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -c cipher.c cipher.c:68: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type cipher.c:69: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type cipher.c:73: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type cipher.c:74: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type cipher.c:75: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type cipher.c:76: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type cipher.c: In function `cipher_init': cipher.c:232: warning: assignment discards `const' from pointer target type cipher.c:211: warning: unused variable `klen' cipher.c: In function `cipher_get_keycontext': cipher.c:405: warning: comparison of distinct pointer types lacks a cast cipher.c: In function `cipher_set_keycontext': cipher.c:420: warning: comparison of distinct pointer types lacks a cast gcc -g -O2 -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wno-uninitialized -I. -I. -DSSHDIR=\"/etc/ssh\" -D_PATH_SSH_PROGRAM=\"/usr/bin/ssh\" -D_PATH_SSH_ASKPASS_DEFAULT=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-askpass\" -D_PATH_SFTP_SERVER=\"/usr/libexec/sftp-server\" -D_PATH_SSH_KEY_SIGN=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-keysign\" -D_PATH_SSH_PIDDIR=\"/var/run\" -D_PATH_PRIVSEP_CHROOT_DIR=\"/var/empty\" -DSSH_RAND_HELPER=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-rand-helper\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -c cipher-aes.c cipher-aes.c: In function `ssh_rijndael_init': cipher-aes.c:54: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-aes.c: In function `ssh_rijndael_cbc': cipher-aes.c:82: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-aes.c: In function `ssh_rijndael_cleanup': cipher-aes.c:120: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-aes.c: In function `ssh_rijndael_iv': cipher-aes.c:133: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-aes.c: In function `evp_rijndael': cipher-aes.c:151: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-aes.c:152: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-aes.c:153: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type gcc -g -O2 -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wno-uninitialized -I. -I. -DSSHDIR=\"/etc/ssh\" -D_PATH_SSH_PROGRAM=\"/usr/bin/ssh\" -D_PATH_SSH_ASKPASS_DEFAULT=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-askpass\" -D_PATH_SFTP_SERVER=\"/usr/libexec/sftp-server\" -D_PATH_SSH_KEY_SIGN=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-keysign\" -D_PATH_SSH_PIDDIR=\"/var/run\" -D_PATH_PRIVSEP_CHROOT_DIR=\"/var/empty\" -DSSH_RAND_HELPER=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-rand-helper\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -c cipher-bf1.c cipher-bf1.c: In function `evp_ssh1_bf': cipher-bf1.c:94: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-bf1.c:99: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type gcc -g -O2 -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wno-uninitialized -I. -I. -DSSHDIR=\"/etc/ssh\" -D_PATH_SSH_PROGRAM=\"/usr/bin/ssh\" -D_PATH_SSH_ASKPASS_DEFAULT=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-askpass\" -D_PATH_SFTP_SERVER=\"/usr/libexec/sftp-server\" -D_PATH_SSH_KEY_SIGN=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-keysign\" -D_PATH_SSH_PIDDIR=\"/var/run\" -D_PATH_PRIVSEP_CHROOT_DIR=\"/var/empty\" -DSSH_RAND_HELPER=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-rand-helper\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -c cipher-ctr.c cipher-ctr.c: In function `ssh_aes_ctr': cipher-ctr.c:72: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-ctr.c: In function `ssh_aes_ctr_init': cipher-ctr.c:92: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-ctr.c:97: structure has no member named `ctx_size' cipher-ctr.c: In function `ssh_aes_ctr_cleanup': cipher-ctr.c:108: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-ctr.c: In function `ssh_aes_ctr_iv': cipher-ctr.c:121: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-ctr.c: In function `evp_aes_128_ctr': cipher-ctr.c:139: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-ctr.c:140: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-ctr.c:141: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type make: *** [cipher-ctr.o] Error 1 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Sep 23 10:46:15 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh 3.7.1 compile problem with crusty openssl In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBE3@mail.temgweb.com>; from JAustad@temgweb.com on Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 10:03:18AM -0500 References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBE3@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030923104615.A5100@thinkunix.net> try upgrading openssl first then upgrade openssh. You might want to check for things that depend on openssl and make sure they're all dynamically linked first. # find what RPMS require openssl rpm -q --whatrequires openssl lynx stunnel curl-ssl openssl-devel etc... # verify binaries are dynamically linked ldd /usr/bin/lynx ldd /usr/sbin/stunnel etc... You're looking for lines like this: libssl.so.0 => /usr/lib/libssl.so.0 (0x00000000) libcrypto.so.0 => /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0 (0x00000000) If they're all dynamically linked, they should still work after you upgrade openssl. If the latest openssl won't compile you could try the 0.9.6x series, I think 0.9.6j was the latest. Austad, Jay wrote: > I'm trying to compile openssh 3.7.1 with Openssl 0.9.5a (patched for > security problems). I'm getting a bunch of errors and it's failing. This > is on a crusty old redhat 6.2 box, so it has an old gcc on it and other such > things. Anyone know how I can get it to compile? > > I can't upgrade the box because there's an app running on it that would need > to be recompiled and I don't have the source for it. > > make: *** [cipher-ctr.o] Error 1 -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Sep 23 09:36:26 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] libphp4 error Message-ID: <00ba01c381e0$11e7d7d0$2a0215ac@DELL2> I submitted this question to the snort site, but have not gotten a response that will help me. Any ideas what I can do to get past this? I found a few similair errors on google, but no fixes. It seems to be looked at as a bug. Post: I'm following the redhat 9 install doc, but I'm getting the following error when trying to do make install on php. [root@snort php-4.3.1]# ./configure --prefix=/www/php --with-apxs2=/www/bin/apxs --with-config-filep ath=/www/php --enable-sockets --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql --with-zlib-dir= /usr/local --with-gd make make install [root@snort php-4.3.1]# make install Installing PHP CLI binary: /www/php/bin/ Installing PHP SAPI module /www/build/instdso.sh SH_LIBTOOL='/www/build/libtool' libphp4.la /www/modules /www/build/libtool --mode=install cp libphp4.la /www/modules/ cp .libs/libphp4.lai /www/modules/libphp4.la cp .libs/libphp4.a /www/modules/libphp4.a ranlib /www/modules/libphp4.a chmod 644 /www/modules/libphp4.a libtool: install: warning: remember to run `libtool --finish /root/snort/php-4.3.1/libs' Warning! dlname not found in /www/modules/libphp4.la. Assuming installing a .so rather than a libtool archive. chmod 755 /www/modules/libphp4.so chmod: failed to get attributes of `/www/modules/libphp4.so': No such file or directory apxs:Error: Command failed with rc=65536 Thanks in advance Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Sep 23 10:52:56 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh 3.7.1 compile problem with crusty openssl Message-ID: Have you tried to install OpenSSL 0.9.7b in /usr/local/ssl (the default) in addition to the stock OpenSSL? Try that, then use that location in the build of OpenSSH. I did this to get around a kerberos related error when compiling mod_ssl on a Red Hat 9 box, and it seemed to work alright. >>> JAustad@temgweb.com 09/23/03 10:03AM >>> I'm trying to compile openssh 3.7.1 with Openssl 0.9.5a (patched for security problems). I'm getting a bunch of errors and it's failing. This is on a crusty old redhat 6.2 box, so it has an old gcc on it and other such things. Anyone know how I can get it to compile? I can't upgrade the box because there's an app running on it that would need to be recompiled and I don't have the source for it. gcc -g -O2 -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wno-uninitialized -I. -I. -DSSHDIR=\"/etc/ssh\" -D_PATH_SSH_PROGRAM=\"/usr/bin/ssh\" -D_PATH_SSH_ASKPASS_DEFAULT=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-askpass\" -D_PATH_SFTP_SERVER=\"/usr/libexec/sftp-server\" -D_PATH_SSH_KEY_SIGN=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-keysign\" -D_PATH_SSH_PIDDIR=\"/var/run\" -D_PATH_PRIVSEP_CHROOT_DIR=\"/var/empty\" -DSSH_RAND_HELPER=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-rand-helper\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -c cipher.c cipher.c:68: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type cipher.c:69: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type cipher.c:73: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type cipher.c:74: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type cipher.c:75: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type cipher.c:76: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type cipher.c: In function `cipher_init': cipher.c:232: warning: assignment discards `const' from pointer target type cipher.c:211: warning: unused variable `klen' cipher.c: In function `cipher_get_keycontext': cipher.c:405: warning: comparison of distinct pointer types lacks a cast cipher.c: In function `cipher_set_keycontext': cipher.c:420: warning: comparison of distinct pointer types lacks a cast gcc -g -O2 -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wno-uninitialized -I. -I. -DSSHDIR=\"/etc/ssh\" -D_PATH_SSH_PROGRAM=\"/usr/bin/ssh\" -D_PATH_SSH_ASKPASS_DEFAULT=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-askpass\" -D_PATH_SFTP_SERVER=\"/usr/libexec/sftp-server\" -D_PATH_SSH_KEY_SIGN=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-keysign\" -D_PATH_SSH_PIDDIR=\"/var/run\" -D_PATH_PRIVSEP_CHROOT_DIR=\"/var/empty\" -DSSH_RAND_HELPER=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-rand-helper\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -c cipher-aes.c cipher-aes.c: In function `ssh_rijndael_init': cipher-aes.c:54: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-aes.c: In function `ssh_rijndael_cbc': cipher-aes.c:82: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-aes.c: In function `ssh_rijndael_cleanup': cipher-aes.c:120: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-aes.c: In function `ssh_rijndael_iv': cipher-aes.c:133: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-aes.c: In function `evp_rijndael': cipher-aes.c:151: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-aes.c:152: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-aes.c:153: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type gcc -g -O2 -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wno-uninitialized -I. -I. -DSSHDIR=\"/etc/ssh\" -D_PATH_SSH_PROGRAM=\"/usr/bin/ssh\" -D_PATH_SSH_ASKPASS_DEFAULT=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-askpass\" -D_PATH_SFTP_SERVER=\"/usr/libexec/sftp-server\" -D_PATH_SSH_KEY_SIGN=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-keysign\" -D_PATH_SSH_PIDDIR=\"/var/run\" -D_PATH_PRIVSEP_CHROOT_DIR=\"/var/empty\" -DSSH_RAND_HELPER=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-rand-helper\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -c cipher-bf1.c cipher-bf1.c: In function `evp_ssh1_bf': cipher-bf1.c:94: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-bf1.c:99: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type gcc -g -O2 -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wno-uninitialized -I. -I. -DSSHDIR=\"/etc/ssh\" -D_PATH_SSH_PROGRAM=\"/usr/bin/ssh\" -D_PATH_SSH_ASKPASS_DEFAULT=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-askpass\" -D_PATH_SFTP_SERVER=\"/usr/libexec/sftp-server\" -D_PATH_SSH_KEY_SIGN=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-keysign\" -D_PATH_SSH_PIDDIR=\"/var/run\" -D_PATH_PRIVSEP_CHROOT_DIR=\"/var/empty\" -DSSH_RAND_HELPER=\"/usr/libexec/ssh-rand-helper\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -c cipher-ctr.c cipher-ctr.c: In function `ssh_aes_ctr': cipher-ctr.c:72: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-ctr.c: In function `ssh_aes_ctr_init': cipher-ctr.c:92: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-ctr.c:97: structure has no member named `ctx_size' cipher-ctr.c: In function `ssh_aes_ctr_cleanup': cipher-ctr.c:108: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-ctr.c: In function `ssh_aes_ctr_iv': cipher-ctr.c:121: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-ctr.c: In function `evp_aes_128_ctr': cipher-ctr.c:139: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-ctr.c:140: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type cipher-ctr.c:141: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type make: *** [cipher-ctr.o] Error 1 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Sep 23 10:54:02 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] crazy idea Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBE4@mail.temgweb.com> Hmm, after doing some testing, it seems I can use the current serial ports. I just need a program that can bind to the serial port, open a telnet connection to a server, and then pass the data both ways so the program that uses the serial port thinks it's coming from the modem. Anyone know of such a program that can bind to the serial port? For example, the program that needs this would open the serial port and dial using ATDT16125551212. When my little wrapper program which is bound to the serial port sees the ATDT string, he would fire off a telnet session to a specific IP and pass the data both directions. When he sees ATZ, he should disconnect. Probably not too hard to do in perl, but I haven't done any socket programming in perl. Should be simple. -jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [mailto:zibby+tclug@ringworld.org] > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:32 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] crazy idea > > > Maybe do something similar to what my TiVo does? > > My TiVo is hooked up to a Linux box via a null modem cable. > The Linux box > runs pppd on the serial device, and answers calls from TiVo, > and forwards > the traffic over it's ethernet connection. > > Not sure if a similar setup would be useful to you or not, > but throwing it > out there anyway. :) > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > A password is like your underwear; Change it > frequently, don't share it with others, and > don't ask to borrow someone else's. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Sep 23 09:49:56 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help References: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> Message-ID: <004c01c381e1$f43b2f50$0201a8c0@brinstar> Sam MacDonald writes: > I did something ctrl - shift - alt ? now I'm on tty3 Normally, you have six virtual terminals. Use ctrl-alt-Fx to change between them. XFree86 is usually on F7. See /etc/inittab and inittab(5). -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Sep 23 10:46:09 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh 3.7.1 compile problem with crusty openssl References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBE3@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <000c01c381e9$cec49a60$0201a8c0@brinstar> Austad, Jay writes: > I'm trying to compile openssh 3.7.1 with Openssl 0.9.5a (patched for > security problems). I'm getting a bunch of errors and it's failing. > This is on a crusty old redhat 6.2 box, so it has an old gcc on it > and other such things. Anyone know how I can get it to compile? Statically compile OpenSSH with the latest version of both on a modern box and copy the binary over. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Tue Sep 23 10:44:14 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> References: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030923104414.63918251.william.layer@comcast.net> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:07:34 -0500 Sam MacDonald wrote: > I did something ctrl - shift - alt ? > now I'm on tty3 > > Sometimes it don't pay! Sam, A lot of this stuff (this is a great example) would all be covered by any one of several Linux-Newbie guides on the 'net. It's appreciated if you would take the time to familiarize yourself with these very basic things before asking for help on the list. Traffic is already quite heavy, and Google is your friend. Here's a start: http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk/ L _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Sep 23 11:19:13 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh 3.7.1 compile problem with crusty openssl Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBE7@mail.temgweb.com> What options do I pass to do that? Would it be in configure or make? > -----Original Message----- > From: David Phillips [mailto:david@acz.org] > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:46 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ssh 3.7.1 compile problem with crusty openssl > > > Austad, Jay writes: > > I'm trying to compile openssh 3.7.1 with Openssl 0.9.5a (patched for > > security problems). I'm getting a bunch of errors and it's failing. > > This is on a crusty old redhat 6.2 box, so it has an old gcc on it > > and other such things. Anyone know how I can get it to compile? > > Statically compile OpenSSH with the latest version of both on > a modern box > and copy the binary over. > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Sep 23 11:28:59 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh 3.7.1 compile problem with crusty openssl In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBE7@mail.temgweb.com>; from JAustad@temgweb.com on Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 11:19:13AM -0500 References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBE7@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030923112859.A21128@thinkunix.net> try './configure --help | more' to see if there's an option to build statically, otherwise hack up your Makefile after you run configure: # how to build something statically linked: add '-static' to CFLAGS Austad, Jay wrote: > What options do I pass to do that? Would it be in configure or make? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Phillips [mailto:david@acz.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:46 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ssh 3.7.1 compile problem with crusty openssl > > > > > > Austad, Jay writes: > > > I'm trying to compile openssh 3.7.1 with Openssl 0.9.5a (patched for > > > security problems). I'm getting a bunch of errors and it's failing. > > > This is on a crusty old redhat 6.2 box, so it has an old gcc on it > > > and other such things. Anyone know how I can get it to compile? > > > > Statically compile OpenSSH with the latest version of both on > > a modern box > > and copy the binary over. > > > > -- > > David Phillips > > http://david.acz.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Tue Sep 23 11:26:18 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Streaked green display under Mplayer & Xine In-Reply-To: <3F6E5652.2070200@lorenburlingame.com> References: <20030921184637.47a1c187.william.layer@comcast.net> <3F6E5652.2070200@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <20030923112618.5dbcb6da.william.layer@comcast.net> Loren, Thanks for the tip.. I've already done this fix, and I still have the issue. Seems to occur at random, no real way to predict when it will / will not work. Let me know if any more data comes your way on this. L On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:54:26 -0500 "Loren H. Burlingame" wrote: > Bill Layer wrote: > >Built and installed the lastest Mplayer & Xine releases on the laptop. Randomly, when trying to play a file, the display (window, or fullscreen) is a uniform light green color with some streaking/smearing, but no moving video at all. Sound is running, and CPU load looks correct for playing - that is, high. > IIRC there is a known issue with the Trident Cyberblade. > > From the Xine FAQ: > > Trident card: If you see vertical bands jumbled, upgrade to the latest > xfree/experimental trident drivers (for the CyberBlade XP a driver > exists here: http://www.xfree86.org/~alanh/ > ) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Sep 23 12:04:29 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] crazy idea Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBE8@mail.temgweb.com> Would /usr/bin/chat be able to do this? > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:JAustad@temgweb.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:54 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] crazy idea > > > Hmm, after doing some testing, it seems I can use the current > serial ports. > I just need a program that can bind to the serial port, open a telnet > connection to a server, and then pass the data both ways so > the program that > uses the serial port thinks it's coming from the modem. > Anyone know of such > a program that can bind to the serial port? > > For example, the program that needs this would open the > serial port and dial > using ATDT16125551212. When my little wrapper program which > is bound to the > serial port sees the ATDT string, he would fire off a telnet > session to a > specific IP and pass the data both directions. When he sees > ATZ, he should > disconnect. Probably not too hard to do in perl, but I > haven't done any > socket programming in perl. Should be simple. > > -jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [mailto:zibby+tclug@ringworld.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:32 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] crazy idea > > > > > > Maybe do something similar to what my TiVo does? > > > > My TiVo is hooked up to a Linux box via a null modem cable. > > The Linux box > > runs pppd on the serial device, and answers calls from TiVo, > > and forwards > > the traffic over it's ethernet connection. > > > > Not sure if a similar setup would be useful to you or not, > > but throwing it > > out there anyway. :) > > > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > > A password is like your underwear; Change it > > frequently, don't share it with others, and > > don't ask to borrow someone else's. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Sep 23 12:34:50 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] crazy idea Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBE9@mail.temgweb.com> Doh, looks like what I need is mgetty or getty. Anyone have any idea how to set this up so it will auto telnet? I'm playing with it now but can't seem to get it working. -jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:JAustad@temgweb.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:04 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] crazy idea > > > Would /usr/bin/chat be able to do this? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:JAustad@temgweb.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:54 AM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] crazy idea > > > > > > Hmm, after doing some testing, it seems I can use the current > > serial ports. > > I just need a program that can bind to the serial port, > open a telnet > > connection to a server, and then pass the data both ways so > > the program that > > uses the serial port thinks it's coming from the modem. > > Anyone know of such > > a program that can bind to the serial port? > > > > For example, the program that needs this would open the > > serial port and dial > > using ATDT16125551212. When my little wrapper program which > > is bound to the > > serial port sees the ATDT string, he would fire off a telnet > > session to a > > specific IP and pass the data both directions. When he sees > > ATZ, he should > > disconnect. Probably not too hard to do in perl, but I > > haven't done any > > socket programming in perl. Should be simple. > > > > -jay > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [mailto:zibby+tclug@ringworld.org] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:32 AM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] crazy idea > > > > > > > > > Maybe do something similar to what my TiVo does? > > > > > > My TiVo is hooked up to a Linux box via a null modem cable. > > > The Linux box > > > runs pppd on the serial device, and answers calls from TiVo, > > > and forwards > > > the traffic over it's ethernet connection. > > > > > > Not sure if a similar setup would be useful to you or not, > > > but throwing it > > > out there anyway. :) > > > > > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > > > A password is like your underwear; Change it > > > frequently, don't share it with others, and > > > don't ask to borrow someone else's. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Sep 23 12:50:45 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] crazy idea In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBE9@mail.temgweb.com>; from JAustad@temgweb.com on Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:34:50PM -0500 References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBE9@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030923125045.A1337@thinkunix.net> you can use Expect to automate telnet and other tasks http://expect.nist.gov/ Austad, Jay wrote: > Doh, looks like what I need is mgetty or getty. Anyone have any idea how to > set this up so it will auto telnet? I'm playing with it now but can't seem > to get it working. > > -jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:JAustad@temgweb.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:04 PM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] crazy idea > > > > > > Would /usr/bin/chat be able to do this? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:JAustad@temgweb.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:54 AM > > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] crazy idea > > > > > > > > > Hmm, after doing some testing, it seems I can use the current > > > serial ports. > > > I just need a program that can bind to the serial port, > > open a telnet > > > connection to a server, and then pass the data both ways so > > > the program that > > > uses the serial port thinks it's coming from the modem. > > > Anyone know of such > > > a program that can bind to the serial port? > > > > > > For example, the program that needs this would open the > > > serial port and dial > > > using ATDT16125551212. When my little wrapper program which > > > is bound to the > > > serial port sees the ATDT string, he would fire off a telnet > > > session to a > > > specific IP and pass the data both directions. When he sees > > > ATZ, he should > > > disconnect. Probably not too hard to do in perl, but I > > > haven't done any > > > socket programming in perl. Should be simple. > > > > > > -jay > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [mailto:zibby+tclug@ringworld.org] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:32 AM > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] crazy idea > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe do something similar to what my TiVo does? > > > > > > > > My TiVo is hooked up to a Linux box via a null modem cable. > > > > The Linux box > > > > runs pppd on the serial device, and answers calls from TiVo, > > > > and forwards > > > > the traffic over it's ethernet connection. > > > > > > > > Not sure if a similar setup would be useful to you or not, > > > > but throwing it > > > > out there anyway. :) > > > > -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 23 13:09:20 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <20030923104414.63918251.william.layer@comcast.net> References: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> <20030923104414.63918251.william.layer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F708C50.9010707@visi.com> I was on the debian site for about half an hour before asking, I wasn't sure what I should be looking for. Sam. Bill Layer wrote: >On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:07:34 -0500 >Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > >> I did something ctrl - shift - alt ? >>now I'm on tty3 >> >>Sometimes it don't pay! >> >> > >Sam, > >A lot of this stuff (this is a great example) would all be covered by any one of several Linux-Newbie guides on the 'net. It's appreciated if you would take the time to familiarize yourself with these very basic things before asking for help on the list. Traffic is already quite heavy, and Google is your friend. > >Here's a start: > >http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk/ > >L > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Sep 23 13:22:28 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] crazy idea Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBEA@mail.temgweb.com> I don't think expect will help me... Here's what happens... Right now, the server dials a phone number through a PRI card, /dev/ttyG0_0 to /dev/ttyG0_47. This dialin connection goes straight into a mainframe. Alternatively, the mainframe is available via telnet, and it's the *exact* same interface over telnet as it is through dialin. I've tested hooking the PRI card directly into a Cisco RAS device which spawns an autocommand telnet session to the mainframe and it works fine. However, I'd like to get something in place using mgetty to eliminate the PRI cards (which are very expensive) and also to eliminate the cisco RAS device which is also quite expensive. So, here's my problem. It looks like mgetty is designed for incoming connections, like if someone was dialing the PRI card on the server, then mgetty could pick up and spawn the telnet session. But, I need mgetty to listen on a virtual tty, and when the server tries to dial using that tty, mgetty intercepts it and spawns the telnet. I found something close to what I need, but it doesn't seem to work: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1997/debian-user-199705/msg00383.html Any ideas? > -----Original Message----- > From: Scot Jenkins [mailto:scot+tcluggen@thinkunix.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:51 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] crazy idea > > > you can use Expect to automate telnet and other tasks > http://expect.nist.gov/ > > Austad, Jay wrote: > > Doh, looks like what I need is mgetty or getty. Anyone > have any idea how to > > set this up so it will auto telnet? I'm playing with it > now but can't seem > > to get it working. > > > > -jay > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:JAustad@temgweb.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:04 PM > > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] crazy idea > > > > > > > > > Would /usr/bin/chat be able to do this? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:JAustad@temgweb.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:54 AM > > > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] crazy idea > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, after doing some testing, it seems I can use the current > > > > serial ports. > > > > I just need a program that can bind to the serial port, > > > open a telnet > > > > connection to a server, and then pass the data both ways so > > > > the program that > > > > uses the serial port thinks it's coming from the modem. > > > > Anyone know of such > > > > a program that can bind to the serial port? > > > > > > > > For example, the program that needs this would open the > > > > serial port and dial > > > > using ATDT16125551212. When my little wrapper program which > > > > is bound to the > > > > serial port sees the ATDT string, he would fire off a telnet > > > > session to a > > > > specific IP and pass the data both directions. When he sees > > > > ATZ, he should > > > > disconnect. Probably not too hard to do in perl, but I > > > > haven't done any > > > > socket programming in perl. Should be simple. > > > > > > > > -jay > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [mailto:zibby+tclug@ringworld.org] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:32 AM > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] crazy idea > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe do something similar to what my TiVo does? > > > > > > > > My TiVo is hooked up to a Linux box via a null modem cable. > > > > The Linux box > > > > runs pppd on the serial device, and answers calls from TiVo, > > > > and forwards > > > > the traffic over it's ethernet connection. > > > > > > > > Not sure if a similar setup would be useful to you or not, > > > > but throwing it > > > > out there anyway. :) > > > > -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 23 13:34:03 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <3F708C50.9010707@visi.com> References: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> <20030923104414.63918251.william.layer@comcast.net> <3F708C50.9010707@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F70921B.2030601@visi.com> Yes I put it in my log with all the other stuff. Sam MacDonald wrote: > I was on the debian site for about half an hour before asking, I > wasn't sure what I should be looking for. > > Sam. > > Bill Layer wrote: > >> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:07:34 -0500 >> Sam MacDonald wrote: >> >> >> >>> I did something ctrl - shift - alt ? >>> now I'm on tty3 >>> >>> Sometimes it don't pay! >>> >> >> Sam, >> >> A lot of this stuff (this is a great example) would all be covered by >> any one of several Linux-Newbie guides on the 'net. It's appreciated >> if you would take the time to familiarize yourself with these very >> basic things before asking for help on the list. Traffic is already >> quite heavy, and Google is your friend. >> >> Here's a start: >> >> http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk/ >> >> L >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Sep 23 14:29:49 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <20030923104414.63918251.william.layer@comcast.net> References: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> <20030923104414.63918251.william.layer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20030923192949.GE17348@fandre.com> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Bill Layer wrote: > Sam, > > A lot of this stuff (this is a great example) would all be covered by any one of several Linux-Newbie guides on the 'net. It's appreciated if you would take the time to familiarize yourself with these very basic things before asking for help on the list. Traffic is already quite heavy, and Google is your friend. > My $0.02. I don't want the newbies to feel pressure about asking questions on the list because it might be too basic. Just because it seems like an easy search for you doesn't mean that everyone can google it in a few minutes. Sometimes they lack the right terminology to find the right answer. One of the main reasons the TCLUG was formed was to give the newcomer somewhere to turn when they have questions. Not as a last resort, but as a primary resource. Yes, the list traffic might be a little high, especially for all of you "gurus" out there, but I think that the levels are still acceptable. This was never meant to be an "tclug-expert" list (not a tclug-beginner) so let's not treat it as such. But yes, you do have a point. There are plenty of resources out there that can get you started. Please do a little "digging" before you ask for help. You don't have to spend days scouring the internet, but try a few google searches. If you still can't find the answers you are looking for, please feel free to post to the list without reservation. -- Clay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Tue Sep 23 14:48:39 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] crazy idea In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBEA@mail.temgweb.com>; from JAustad@temgweb.com on Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 01:22:28PM -0500 References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBEA@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030923144839.A1713@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 01:22:28PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: >So, here's my problem. It looks like mgetty is designed for incoming > > Any ideas? Temporarily replace one of the /dev/ttySX nodes with a pipe, example: mkfifo /dev/ttySX In one terminal, open one end of the pipe with something like this: cat /dev/ttySX Now on another terminal start your app. Does it bomb out? Or does it open the port and stay happy? Do you see "ATDT..." on the other end of the pipe? If so, you may be able to write an app which would route the data over to a TCP socket. If not, then the program may be failing on serial driver calls(ioctl's) which are particular to serial ports. An strace or decompile could shed further light on the subject, but making it work would involve more effort. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Sep 23 15:34:13 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] crazy idea Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBEC@mail.temgweb.com> That works, but I may have found a better way: http://www.dest-unreach.org/socat/doc/socat.html#OPTION_PATH Has anyone used Socat before? I'm playing with it now. I've made /dev/tty devices which are just fifos (using mkfifo). Using the EXEC option in socat, I *should* be able to make it do what I want. If anyone has any suggestions, let me know. Thanks. -jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Bongers [mailto:kbongers@infinetivity.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 2:49 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] crazy idea > > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 01:22:28PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > >So, here's my problem. It looks like mgetty is designed for incoming > > > > Any ideas? > > Temporarily replace one of the /dev/ttySX nodes with a pipe, example: > mkfifo /dev/ttySX > In one terminal, open one end of the pipe with something like this: > cat /dev/ttySX > Now on another terminal start your app. > Does it bomb out? Or does it open the port and stay happy? > Do you see "ATDT..." on the other end of the pipe? > If so, you may be able to write an app which would route > the data over to a TCP socket. > > If not, then the program may be failing on serial driver > calls(ioctl's) > which are particular to serial ports. An strace or decompile could > shed further light on the subject, but making it work would > involve more > effort. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Tue Sep 23 15:43:33 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Message-ID: Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> clay@fandre.com 09/23/03 02:29PM >>> >I don't want the newbies to feel pressure about asking questions on >the list because it might be too basic. Just because it seems like an >easy search for you doesn't mean that everyone can google it in a few >minutes. Sometimes they lack the right terminology to find the right >answer. I think that's an important point. If I happen to pick the wrong combination of words or phrases, I can be hunting for days. For example, I didn't know that linux-newbie could be an effective search term on google (I'm going to have to try that very soon). Perhaps that could be a user group presentation: Effective searching techniques for Linux help. Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nota12b at iglide.net Tue Sep 23 15:44:51 2003 From: nota12b at iglide.net (nota12b) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cable v. dsl v. satellite In-Reply-To: <20030923203401.7915.71283.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: In my area (Minnetonka/Hopkins) I know Time Warner is available (what I have now), I THINK dsl is/may be, and Earthlink DSL shows as available from the Dish Network site (and only working with M$ Win products - blick!)... Anybody have knowledge of which is better and why - or just as importantly which is WORSE and why? Any/all info appreciated. $$ is a factor here and even dial-up may be forced into being an option, so... IF cable THEN maybe not even have a landline phone hooked up IF DSL THEN most likely dish instead of cable IF DSL thru DISH THEN ... neither? Wil "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - George Orwell _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 23 16:04:58 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cable v. dsl v. satellite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I suspect we'll hear lots of opinions on this one - but I'll throw in my $.02. I'll say up front that I work for an ISP that provides Qwest DSL, so my opinion may be somewhat slanted. First, AFAIK dish is only 1-way high-speed. And the latency sucks. I have no other experience with them - only that they've been hated by gamers because of the latency, and people that do interactive-type stuff like ssh/telnet a lot. Web and downloads are probably fine, and for your average user most of your traffic is incoming anyways, so depending on your usage this might not suck. DSL has been great for me. These "CraptionTec's" (ActionTec) that Qwest is distributing now suck in a few new ways that the cisco's didn't, but they're tolerable. I might try and find a 678 if I were getting new service. Then again, Qwest is trying to phase them out. On the b/w side, I get exactly the speed I would expect out of a 640k/272k PPPoATM connection back to Sihope. That is to say, I've never had a capacity problem across Qwest's ATM network, and I always get full speed downloading from Sihope and the upstreams we peer with. You lose 12.5% (?) bandwidth for ATM overhead, and some for PPP. I usually see above 500kbit/s throughput pulling data from anywhere on the net that can push that much. My speeds only suffer when I'm hitting a site that is busy, or doesn't have enough outbound capacity to saturate my link. I won't say which ISP to use with Qwest DSL - there are plenty around, and a few on this list. I will say to stay away from Qwest.net (now MSN), as it's been nothing but horror stories from the refugees we've had defecting to us after being with MSN. As far as cable goes, I've never had it. Some of my friends say it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, 10MBit throughput all the time, never goes down, etc. Someone I know in Eden Prairie has TWT cable and says it sucks - throughput is okay some of the time, but it's down a lot, support sucks, etc. I often wonder if "geek pride" prevents the friends in group #1 from telling the truth about their service, or if it's actually that much better in different areas. I also know someone that was running a VPN over some high port, and ATT started filtering it after a few weeks of constant traffic to it. Unless you get "business" cable, there's no way to get a static IP. Original MediaOne users have had to change e-mail addy's 3 times in 4 years (check my numbers here). MediaOne.com -> ATTbi.com -> Comcast. We have taken over 5 or 6 ISP's over the years, and they all are still using their original addresses. I can't even fathom what bone-headed decision lead to this, but it must have sucked for those poor punters that had to go through it. If you have line of site to our building (France & 494, so you're close) you might be able to get wireless to us. 11MBit of pure love. On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, nota12b wrote: > In my area (Minnetonka/Hopkins) I know Time Warner is available (what I have > now), I THINK dsl is/may be, and Earthlink DSL shows as available from the > Dish Network site (and only working with M$ Win products - blick!)... > Anybody have knowledge of which is better and why - or just as importantly > which is WORSE and why? Any/all info appreciated. > > $$ is a factor here and even dial-up may be forced into being an option, > so... > IF cable > THEN maybe not even have a landline phone hooked up > IF DSL > THEN most likely dish instead of cable > IF DSL thru DISH > THEN ... neither? > > Wil > > "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to > visit violence on those who would do us harm." - George Orwell > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Tue Sep 23 15:39:50 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <20030923192949.GE17348@fandre.com> References: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> <20030923104414.63918251.william.layer@comcast.net> <20030923192949.GE17348@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030923153950.03fa9639.william.layer@comcast.net> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:29:49 -0500 Clay Fandre wrote: > One of the main reasons the TCLUG was formed was to give the newcomer > somewhere to turn when they have questions. Not as a last resort, but > as a primary resource. Yes, the list traffic might be a little high, > especially for all of you "gurus" out there, but I think that the > levels are still acceptable. This was never meant to be an > "tclug-expert" list (not a tclug-beginner) so let's not treat it as > such. Sounds like you make a good case for forking the list to tclug-list and tclug-beginner. L _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 23 16:21:37 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F70B961.7000402@visi.com> I did a search on "linux-newbie" and got *92,700 *hits. I found the following site http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk/ with http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk/lnag_commands.html but Yesterday I was looking for things like "screen change" because that's what happened, the screen changed. I didn't know what I had done trying to get out of "dselect" but the screen changed. The keyboard on this old laptop isn't what I would call new, keys stick once in a while. I also found http://www.tuxfiles.org/ Sam. Bruce Broecker wrote: >Bruce Broecker >Network Comm Supervisor >The Toro Company > > > > >>>>clay@fandre.com 09/23/03 02:29PM >>> >>>> >>>> > > > >>I don't want the newbies to feel pressure about asking questions on >>the list because it might be too basic. Just because it seems like an >>easy search for you doesn't mean that everyone can google it in a few >>minutes. Sometimes they lack the right terminology to find the right >>answer. >> >> > >I think that's an important point. If I happen to pick the wrong combination of >words or phrases, I can be hunting for days. For example, I didn't know that >linux-newbie could be an effective search term on google (I'm going to have >to try that very soon). Perhaps that could be a user group presentation: > >Effective searching techniques for Linux help. > >Bruce > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From matthew at redroot.org Tue Sep 23 16:28:13 2003 From: matthew at redroot.org (Matthew C. Dettinger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have waited on your beer meetings several times. There are definitely some huge cheapos in the group, and you can see it a mile away. Don't get me wrong... most of the members are very polite and tip appropriately. Having been in the business for sometime I would suggest you just use separate tabs. If the server doesn't allow it, then I would suggest you strictly pay for your drinks with cash as you get them. The servers always appreciate this method. If your group never carries a tab, then there is nothing to worry about at the end. ALL YOU CHEAPOS OUT THERE THIS IS FOR YOU! YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE! The dice of God are always loaded. For everything you have missed you have gained something else. The world, turn it how you will, balances itself... Every secret is told, every virtue rewarded, every wrong redressed, in Silence and Certainty. - Emerson mcd _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Sep 23 16:37:23 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <20030923192949.GE17348@fandre.com> References: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> <20030923104414.63918251.william.layer@comcast.net> <20030923192949.GE17348@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030923213723.GA12146@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 02:29:49PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Bill Layer wrote: [snip] > > But yes, you do have a point. There are plenty of resources out there > that can get you started. Please do a little "digging" before you ask > for help. You don't have to spend days scouring the internet, but try > a few google searches. If you still can't find the answers you are > looking for, please feel free to post to the list without reservation. > Ditto, with one addition: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Whatever your feelings toward ESR, I think the above is a must-read for anyone asking technical questions on a mailing list, newsgroup, etc. No need to split into tclug-newbie and tclug-expert IMO. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Tue Sep 23 16:27:31 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cable v. dsl v. satellite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good info. Anybody know what it may take to get Frontier (much of Dakota County) to allow alternate DSL vendors on their lines like Qwest does? All they will offer now is bundled DSL and ISP (plus phone promos) and it's expensive. The Sprint PCS (cell) 3G option is as fast outgoing (about 140kb/sec) and MUCH cheaper and more portable than any WiFi. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Adam Maloney > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 4:05 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] cable v. dsl v. satellite > > > I suspect we'll hear lots of opinions on this one - but I'll throw in my > $.02. I'll say up front that I work for an ISP that provides Qwest DSL, > so my opinion may be somewhat slanted. > > First, AFAIK dish is only 1-way high-speed. And the latency sucks. I > have no other experience with them - only that they've been hated by > gamers because of the latency, and people that do interactive-type stuff > like ssh/telnet a lot. Web and downloads are probably fine, and for your > average user most of your traffic is incoming anyways, so depending on > your usage this might not suck. > > DSL has been great for me. These "CraptionTec's" (ActionTec) that Qwest > is distributing now suck in a few new ways that the cisco's didn't, but > they're tolerable. I might try and find a 678 if I were getting new > service. Then again, Qwest is trying to phase them out. On the b/w side, > I get exactly the speed I would expect out of a 640k/272k PPPoATM > connection back to Sihope. That is to say, I've never had a capacity > problem across Qwest's ATM network, and I always get full speed > downloading from Sihope and the upstreams we peer with. > > You lose 12.5% (?) bandwidth for ATM overhead, and some for PPP. I > usually see above 500kbit/s throughput pulling data from anywhere on the > net that can push that much. My speeds only suffer when I'm hitting a > site that is busy, or doesn't have enough outbound capacity to saturate my > link. > > I won't say which ISP to use with Qwest DSL - there are plenty around, and > a few on this list. I will say to stay away from Qwest.net (now MSN), as > it's been nothing but horror stories from the refugees we've had defecting > to us after being with MSN. > > As far as cable goes, I've never had it. Some of my friends say it's the > greatest thing since sliced bread, 10MBit throughput all the time, never > goes down, etc. Someone I know in Eden Prairie has TWT cable and says it > sucks - throughput is okay some of the time, but it's down a lot, support > sucks, etc. I often wonder if "geek pride" prevents the friends in group > #1 from telling the truth about their service, or if it's actually that > much better in different areas. > > I also know someone that was running a VPN over some high port, and > ATT started filtering it after a few weeks of constant traffic to it. > > Unless you get "business" cable, there's no way to get a static IP. > > Original MediaOne users have had to change e-mail addy's 3 times in 4 > years (check my numbers here). MediaOne.com -> ATTbi.com -> Comcast. We > have taken over 5 or 6 ISP's over the years, and they all are still using > their original addresses. I can't even fathom what bone-headed decision > lead to this, but it must have sucked for those poor punters that had to > go through it. > > If you have line of site to our building (France & 494, so you're close) > you might be able to get wireless to us. 11MBit of pure love. > > > > On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, nota12b wrote: > > > In my area (Minnetonka/Hopkins) I know Time Warner is available > (what I have > > now), I THINK dsl is/may be, and Earthlink DSL shows as > available from the > > Dish Network site (and only working with M$ Win products - blick!)... > > Anybody have knowledge of which is better and why - or just as > importantly > > which is WORSE and why? Any/all info appreciated. > > > > $$ is a factor here and even dial-up may be forced into being an option, > > so... > > IF cable > > THEN maybe not even have a landline phone hooked up > > IF DSL > > THEN most likely dish instead of cable > > IF DSL thru DISH > > THEN ... neither? > > > > Wil > > > > "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in > the night to > > visit violence on those who would do us harm." - George Orwell > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Sep 23 16:57:59 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cable v. dsl v. satellite Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBF0@mail.temgweb.com> Apparently Comcast is sending letters to users saying that they use too much bandwidth, but they won't tell them what the limit is. I have Comcast and I haven't gotten a letter yet. I have had major problems with it though, the only way I could get them to fix their network is pin it down for them and post to NANOG to get someone to look at it. Their tech support is a bunch of morons that just tell you to reboot your machine. I had way less problems with DSL. I've heard only good things about TWT though. > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 4:05 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] cable v. dsl v. satellite > > > I suspect we'll hear lots of opinions on this one - but I'll > throw in my > $.02. I'll say up front that I work for an ISP that provides > Qwest DSL, > so my opinion may be somewhat slanted. > > First, AFAIK dish is only 1-way high-speed. And the latency sucks. I > have no other experience with them - only that they've been hated by > gamers because of the latency, and people that do > interactive-type stuff > like ssh/telnet a lot. Web and downloads are probably fine, > and for your > average user most of your traffic is incoming anyways, so depending on > your usage this might not suck. > > DSL has been great for me. These "CraptionTec's" (ActionTec) > that Qwest > is distributing now suck in a few new ways that the cisco's > didn't, but > they're tolerable. I might try and find a 678 if I were getting new > service. Then again, Qwest is trying to phase them out. On > the b/w side, > I get exactly the speed I would expect out of a 640k/272k PPPoATM > connection back to Sihope. That is to say, I've never had a capacity > problem across Qwest's ATM network, and I always get full speed > downloading from Sihope and the upstreams we peer with. > > You lose 12.5% (?) bandwidth for ATM overhead, and some for PPP. I > usually see above 500kbit/s throughput pulling data from > anywhere on the > net that can push that much. My speeds only suffer when I'm hitting a > site that is busy, or doesn't have enough outbound capacity > to saturate my > link. > > I won't say which ISP to use with Qwest DSL - there are > plenty around, and > a few on this list. I will say to stay away from Qwest.net > (now MSN), as > it's been nothing but horror stories from the refugees we've > had defecting > to us after being with MSN. > > As far as cable goes, I've never had it. Some of my friends > say it's the > greatest thing since sliced bread, 10MBit throughput all the > time, never > goes down, etc. Someone I know in Eden Prairie has TWT cable > and says it > sucks - throughput is okay some of the time, but it's down a > lot, support > sucks, etc. I often wonder if "geek pride" prevents the > friends in group > #1 from telling the truth about their service, or if it's > actually that > much better in different areas. > > I also know someone that was running a VPN over some high port, and > ATT started filtering it after a few weeks of constant traffic to it. > > Unless you get "business" cable, there's no way to get a static IP. > > Original MediaOne users have had to change e-mail addy's 3 times in 4 > years (check my numbers here). MediaOne.com -> ATTbi.com -> > Comcast. We > have taken over 5 or 6 ISP's over the years, and they all are > still using > their original addresses. I can't even fathom what > bone-headed decision > lead to this, but it must have sucked for those poor punters > that had to > go through it. > > If you have line of site to our building (France & 494, so > you're close) > you might be able to get wireless to us. 11MBit of pure love. > > > > On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, nota12b wrote: > > > In my area (Minnetonka/Hopkins) I know Time Warner is > available (what I have > > now), I THINK dsl is/may be, and Earthlink DSL shows as > available from the > > Dish Network site (and only working with M$ Win products - > blick!)... > > Anybody have knowledge of which is better and why - or just > as importantly > > which is WORSE and why? Any/all info appreciated. > > > > $$ is a factor here and even dial-up may be forced into > being an option, > > so... > > IF cable > > THEN maybe not even have a landline phone hooked up > > IF DSL > > THEN most likely dish instead of cable > > IF DSL thru DISH > > THEN ... neither? > > > > Wil > > > > "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready > in the night to > > visit violence on those who would do us harm." - George Orwell > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Tue Sep 23 17:02:59 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cable v. dsl v. satellite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030923220259.GA93167@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, Sep 23, 2003), Chuck Cole was madly tapping out: > Good info. Anybody know what it may take to get Frontier (much of > Dakota County) to allow alternate DSL vendors on their lines like > Qwest does? All they will offer now is bundled DSL and ISP (plus > phone promos) and it's expensive. The Sprint PCS (cell) 3G option > is as fast outgoing (about 140kb/sec) and MUCH cheaper and more > portable than any WiFi. frontier does allow 3rd party isps to access their dsl infrastructure. i know visi[1] provides service within the frontier footprint. i believe you will have to frontier pay for the dsl line and visi for the ip service on top of it. { snipped - misc previous correspondence } references ---------- [1] http://www.visi.com -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at JentgeS.NeT Tue Sep 23 17:18:12 2003 From: mj at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> > > To sum up, if you run a $19 tab, and slap down a $20, you are not > thinking clearly - as in, thinking we are your parents or other > benefactors.. None of us are even remotely inclined to support you > financially, so keep that in mind. I've never been to one of these meetings, but this statement provoked response from me. I've always wondered why, if I have a $19 tab, (per the check) $20 is not enough? Does the server staff work for me? No. I am the customer. I went to the establishment to relax, or whatever. Why is it basically mandatory I help pay the staff's salary? I'm already patronizing the establishment, purchasing goods they are selling to me at a profit. If the staff is that underpaid, why am I obligated to compensate? All the different jobs I've had, from the lowest, peanut paying positions to the best, no passers by, bosses, or anyone else has tossed 15% of my wage on the table as they passed thru. I guess I just don't get whats up with that whole thing. If you're underpaid and want a raise, you talk to your BOSS, you don't call the customers 'cheapo's'. In NO other business would this be acceptable, ever. -mj > > So, that all said. What do you think the chances are that we can all act > like the responsible adults, being to which we purport, and find a way > to NOT burn our friends for their hard-earned cash this next time > around? We remain cautiously optimistic. > > That's all. > > Legendre, Lamer, Jima, Phemale, AdaByron, Ein, and anyone else who feels > a little cheated > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-announce mailing list > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Tue Sep 23 17:26:36 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> References: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: <3F70C89C.6090604@andersonfam.org> Michael Jentges wrote: > I guess I just don't get whats up with that whole thing. If you're > underpaid and want a raise, you talk to your BOSS, you don't call the > customers 'cheapo's'. In NO other business would this be acceptable, ever. I agree - this summer I was travelling in Ukraine. There (and I assume in most of eastern Europe), tips *are* truly optional, and are intended to be a reflection on the quality of service. I really enjoyed this, because when I gave a good tip to a server that did a good job, he/she truly appreciated it. I hate the fact that all servers here in the states take 15% tips for granted, even though they gave 1% service. -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Tue Sep 23 17:31:27 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cable v. dsl v. satellite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030923223127.GA11581@refried.org> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 04:27:31PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote: > Good info. Anybody know what it may take to get Frontier (much of Dakota > County) to allow alternate DSL vendors on their lines like Qwest does? All > they will offer now is bundled DSL and ISP (plus phone promos) and it's > expensive. I just landed in this position. I was on Comcast, running my own mail server without being bothered, when I bought a house in Lakeville. I decided I would go with Charter since I already owned a cable modem. When I starting trying to get connected my modem, a Motorola SB4100, it would keep dropping out. I was able to get a modem from Charter to try and that el-cheapo didn't seem to have any problems. In the mean time I found that Charter filters out SMTP and HTTP traffic, big negative for me. I started investigating DSL with Frontier. Now I never liked Frontier. Bad service, long story. But I decided to call and see what they would do. I asked Frontier what my ISP choices are and they told me only Visi. So I checked their web site and they give you one static IP and let you do whatever you want. 8( ) So I signed up. The deal is $40 goes to Frontier for the DSL line, 1Mb/128k. I'd prefer more on the up side, but that'll do. $20 goes to Visi for their package of one IP, mail, web space, etc. This is more expensive than Charter Pipeline, but I get what I want. The end result is I keep my nate@refried.org address, which matters to me most. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Sep 23 17:44:25 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <3F70C89C.6090604@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Erik Anderson wrote: > Michael Jentges wrote: > > I guess I just don't get whats up with that whole thing. If you're > > underpaid and want a raise, you talk to your BOSS, you don't call the > > customers 'cheapo's'. In NO other business would this be acceptable, ever. > > I agree - this summer I was travelling in Ukraine. There (and I assume > in most of eastern Europe), tips *are* truly optional, and are intended > to be a reflection on the quality of service. I really enjoyed this, > because when I gave a good tip to a server that did a good job, he/she > truly appreciated it. I hate the fact that all servers here in the > states take 15% tips for granted, even though they gave 1% service. > as soon as you said all, your whole argument went to /dev/null find a better excuse. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From matthew at redroot.org Tue Sep 23 17:45:35 2003 From: matthew at redroot.org (Matthew C. Dettinger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: Servers have for many, many years worked for minimum wage + tip. Society as a whole has generally accepted the notion that when you dine at a service establishment you pay the house for the food, and tip the server for their attention to your needs, ie. service. If an individual wants to purchase 5 dollars worth of food, and not leave a tip, then I suggest they go to McDonald's where you stand in line, and get your own drink refilled when it is empty. There are many options for people to avoid tipping, and still be socially accepted. Chipotle, Noodles Inc., Panera Bread, Burger King, etc...but please don't pass on this B.S. about not having to tip when you are dining at a service establishment. Like I said... society has generally accepted this concept, but as always there is the fringe with a wild ideology that tries to explain their cheapness away by saying, "I don't get it." It is not too big a deal if someone does not leave a tip. Just realize that the establishment, your friends, and anyone else who sees this thinks of you as being cheap, and nothing more. Regardless of your perception of the event. mcd _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From matthew at redroot.org Tue Sep 23 17:58:55 2003 From: matthew at redroot.org (Matthew C. Dettinger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't want to belabor this, but one more thing. We don't live in the Ukraine. I don't care what they do in Beijing, Bangladesh, Kabul, Torah-Bora, and Shang-Ra-la. 15 - 20% is the socially understood payment in America. If we were lucky enough to be in the Ukraine situation do you think servers would work for min wage + 1% tip? No they would quit, and the restaurant would need to hire servers at $14.00 instead of $4.25. Then you would see the price of your burger at $8.00 instead of $5.00. You pay for the labor one way or another. At the least the current 'American' method gives an incentive for the server to smile at you. mcd On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Erik Anderson wrote: > > > Michael Jentges wrote: > > > I guess I just don't get whats up with that whole thing. If you're > > > underpaid and want a raise, you talk to your BOSS, you don't call the > > > customers 'cheapo's'. In NO other business would this be acceptable, ever. > > > > I agree - this summer I was travelling in Ukraine. There (and I assume > > in most of eastern Europe), tips *are* truly optional, and are intended > > to be a reflection on the quality of service. I really enjoyed this, > > because when I gave a good tip to a server that did a good job, he/she > > truly appreciated it. I hate the fact that all servers here in the > > states take 15% tips for granted, even though they gave 1% service. > > > > as soon as you said all, your whole argument went to /dev/null > find a better excuse. > > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > http://redconcepts.net/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Tue Sep 23 18:07:44 2003 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total system breakage Message-ID: <1064358464.3918.50.camel@bigtime> Okay, last night two of my boxes, both running debian testing went down in an interesting manner. They've stopped authenticating remotely. I can log in on console, but I can't ssh nor FTP in. (Running proftp) Email seems to work though, one's running wu-imap and the other courier-imap. The only thing significant I've done is doing an apt-get update yesterday on one, and a few days ago on another. Trying to update it now doesn't find anything new. Am I the only one getting this? It would seem to point at PAM, I'm not getting anything in the logs, nor is sshd -ddd telling me anything's wrong. It just hangs. Probably a package broke in testing, but I'm concerned I got nailed by some worm. ;P Its a pain in the ass to work on because I have to stand around in the living room for one box, and the other is 100 miles away. :P I'll have to try reverting packages to woody versions by hand or something. This is what I get with -vvv, though after a while it seems to start just refusing connections, though sshd hasn't crashed or complained about anything. $ ssh -vvv marvin OpenSSH_3.5p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090701f debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: Applying options for * debug1: Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be trusted. debug1: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to marvin [192.168.0.1] port 22. debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /home/seg/.ssh/identity type -1 debug1: identity file /home/seg/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 debug1: identity file /home/seg/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 debug1: Remote protocol version 1.99, remote software version OpenSSH_3.6.1p2 Debian 1:3.6.1p2-3 debug1: match: OpenSSH_3.6.1p2 Debian 1:3.6.1p2-3 pat OpenSSH* debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.5p1 debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 debug2: mac_init: found hmac-md5 debug1: kex: server->client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug2: mac_init: found hmac-md5 debug1: kex: client->server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP debug1: dh_gen_key: priv key bits set: 129/256 debug1: bits set: 1618/3191 debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY debug3: check_host_in_hostfile: filename /home/seg/.ssh/known_hosts debug3: check_host_in_hostfile: match line 1 debug3: check_host_in_hostfile: filename /home/seg/.ssh/known_hosts debug3: check_host_in_hostfile: match line 1 debug1: Host 'marvin' is known and matches the RSA host key. debug1: Found key in /home/seg/.ssh/known_hosts:1 debug1: bits set: 1629/3191 debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct debug1: kex_derive_keys debug1: newkeys: mode 1 debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent debug1: waiting for SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS debug1: newkeys: mode 0 debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received debug1: done: ssh_kex2. debug1: send SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST debug1: service_accept: ssh-userauth debug1: got SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT It just hangs forever here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Example: Return-Path: Received: from SS-92123B97C255 (218.19.202.231) by mta6.wss.scd.yahoo.com (7.0.016) id 3F616574004F26E0 for spam@bftech.net; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:51:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3F616574004F26E0@mta6.wss.scd.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) From: "bazerone@email.com" To: "ebay@timferreira.com" Subject: tamara Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:51:51 +0800 X-Priority: 3 (normal) Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Order prescription medicine online discretely and cheaply yadda yadda yadda -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030923/34678f6d/attachment.pgp From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 23 19:03:53 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <20030923213723.GA12146@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> <20030923104414.63918251.william.layer@comcast.net> <20030923192949.GE17348@fandre.com> <20030923213723.GA12146@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <3F70DF69.3060303@visi.com> Ok someone tell this un hip newbie what IMO means. or I'll use LAGNAF on ya! Sam. John J. Trammell wrote: >On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 02:29:49PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > >>On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Bill Layer wrote: >> >> >[snip] > > >>But yes, you do have a point. There are plenty of resources out there >>that can get you started. Please do a little "digging" before you ask >>for help. You don't have to spend days scouring the internet, but try >>a few google searches. If you still can't find the answers you are >>looking for, please feel free to post to the list without reservation. >> >> >> > >Ditto, with one addition: > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > >Whatever your feelings toward ESR, I think the above is a >must-read for anyone asking technical questions on a mailing >list, newsgroup, etc. > >No need to split into tclug-newbie and tclug-expert IMO. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Tue Sep 23 18:58:15 2003 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> References: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: <1064361495.3918.95.camel@bigtime> > establishment to relax, or whatever. Why is it basically mandatory I help > pay the staff's salary? I'm already patronizing the establishment, > purchasing goods they are selling to me at a profit. If the staff is that > underpaid, why am I obligated to compensate? All the different jobs I've > had, from the lowest, peanut paying positions to the best, no passers by, > bosses, or anyone else has tossed 15% of my wage on the table as they > passed thru. Have you ever worked as a waiter/ess? In a large corporate chain? Are you 20 or under? Do you realise these people are unappreciated slaves? That you get treated like shit because you're not 30+? The faceless corporation they work for sees them as a liability, not an asset, let alone a human being? Its bad enough being treated like trash by your managers and supervisors, you don't need it from the customers too. > I guess I just don't get whats up with that whole thing. If you're > underpaid and want a raise, you talk to your BOSS, you don't call the > customers 'cheapo's'. Especially in corporate chains like Dennys, Perkins, etc, you DO NOT get raises. You just get fired and replaced. Its cheaper to just hire someone new at base pay than keep people on and give them raises. There's plenty of others desperate enough to take it. Non-nationwide corporate chains are getting very rare indeed. > In NO other business would this be acceptable, ever. We live in a world of corporations being given preferential treatment as if an individual, corruption, greed, and cost cutting. God Bless America. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030923/5edd4999/attachment.pgp From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 23 19:17:38 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F70E2A2.3060904@visi.com> If you run up a $19.00 tab you should slap down about $3.00, not a buck. The staff at most beer joints and restaurants make minimum wage or less. I tended bar for many years and never made more then $6.00 an hour, Wait staff make even less, tip your wait staff very well. I wasn't at the last beer meeting, but I was at the one at the sports bar. I payed for my own beer and had another beer meeting after that where I bought my own meal and beer. I would suggest separate tabs and make sure it is understood that tabs are separate. As a group expands change happens, having separate tabs is a change that should happen. I get upset when these things happen. If you have a thought that maybe you didn't pay for what you consumed at the beer meeting. You may want to contact people and say your sorry, then pay up. Sam. Jima wrote: > Passing on a public service announcement on behalf of the core group of >Beermeeting regulars: > >Hi, > >(If you haven't been a recent beermeeting attendee, feel free to stop >reading this now, before you see how irritated I can really be. No need >to take the stress.) > >On behalf of myself and the core-group of beermeeting attendees: > >At the last beermeeting, one or several folks SKIPPED OUT on their tabs, >or portions of them - to the tune of a $60 shortage, left for those of us >who remained, to cover. We're not sure if this is an act of ignorance, >carelessness or simple theft, but it has happened several times and it is >now going to *stop*. It is beyond insult to take money out of the pockets >of your friends & colleagues, and it's an outright embarrassment that >this should happen among a group that prides itself on knowledge, >volunteerism and openness. > >I sincerely hope this is more a function of bad math than thievery, so in >case that it might be the former issue, here's a few points on >calculating your tab: > >- Know the actual costs of what you ordered, and the quantity of drinks >you consumed.. don't forget the appetizers, or the side of fries. If you >think you had "3 or 4", you had 5. If you need to round, round UP. > >- Remember that if you make a financial error, it is most likely to be in >your own favor. That's basic human nature; know yourself for what you are. > >- In Minneapolis, sales tax on liquor and food can be in excess of 10% in >some areas. If you don't know the local tax rate, ask your server or >bartender. Guessing is for birthday parties & Christmas. > >- Gratuity in the range of 15-20% will be added, automatically, by the >establishment, for parties of our size. Being a lousy tipper is neither >an excuse nor an option in these cases. If you have a personal objection >to tipping, stay home. > >To sum up, if you run a $19 tab, and slap down a $20, you are not >thinking clearly - as in, thinking we are your parents or other >benefactors.. None of us are even remotely inclined to support you >financially, so keep that in mind. > >So, that all said. What do you think the chances are that we can all act >like the responsible adults, being to which we purport, and find a way to >NOT burn our friends for their hard-earned cash this next time around? We >remain cautiously optimistic. > >That's all. > >Legendre, Lamer, Jima, Phemale, AdaByron, Ein, and anyone else who feels a >little cheated > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-announce mailing list >tclug-announce@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 23 19:57:03 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> References: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: <3F70EBDF.8060809@visi.com> Ya might want to rethink that statement. Wait staff in many cases don't make minimum wage, the tip is part of the wage _and part of the business_. If your wait person does a crappy job don't tip, but if they do a good job tip the 15%. If they go way beyond tip more. What I have to say to you is, get a job waiting table. You will only understand what it means to be jilted on a tip when you have been jilted on a tip. I worked for many years in the service industry, bar tender/waiter. I have this to say to anyone that thinks they shouldn't tip, Sam. Michael Jentges wrote: >>To sum up, if you run a $19 tab, and slap down a $20, you are not >>thinking clearly - as in, thinking we are your parents or other >>benefactors.. None of us are even remotely inclined to support you >>financially, so keep that in mind. >> >> > >I've never been to one of these meetings, but this statement provoked >response from me. > >I've always wondered why, if I have a $19 tab, (per the check) $20 is not >enough? > >Does the server staff work for me? No. I am the customer. I went to the >establishment to relax, or whatever. Why is it basically mandatory I help >pay the staff's salary? I'm already patronizing the establishment, >purchasing goods they are selling to me at a profit. If the staff is that >underpaid, why am I obligated to compensate? All the different jobs I've >had, from the lowest, peanut paying positions to the best, no passers by, >bosses, or anyone else has tossed 15% of my wage on the table as they >passed thru. > >I guess I just don't get whats up with that whole thing. If you're >underpaid and want a raise, you talk to your BOSS, you don't call the >customers 'cheapo's'. In NO other business would this be acceptable, ever. > >-mj > > > > >>So, that all said. What do you think the chances are that we can all act >> like the responsible adults, being to which we purport, and find a way >>to NOT burn our friends for their hard-earned cash this next time >>around? We remain cautiously optimistic. >> >>That's all. >> >>Legendre, Lamer, Jima, Phemale, AdaByron, Ein, and anyone else who feels >>a little cheated >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >>Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org >>tclug-announce mailing list >>tclug-announce@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > >--------------------- >Jentges.NET, Inc. >Voice: 763.783.3702 >Cell: 763.370.1201 >--------------------- > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at JentgeS.NeT Tue Sep 23 20:23:12 2003 From: mj at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <3F70EBDF.8060809@visi.com> References: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F70EBDF.8060809@visi.com> Message-ID: <2236.199.199.150.147.1064366592.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> And hence AUTHOR wrote: Sam MacDonald > Ya might want to rethink that statement. No, I do not. > > What I have to say to you is, get a job waiting table. You will only > understand what it means to be jilted on a tip when you have been jilted > on a tip. I worked for many years in the service industry, bar > tender/waiter. I have this to say to anyone that thinks they shouldn't > tip, No thanks. I wouldn't work for someone who treated/paid me as such, period. -mj > Michael Jentges wrote: > >>>To sum up, if you run a $19 tab, and slap down a $20, you are not >>> thinking clearly - as in, thinking we are your parents or other >>>benefactors.. None of us are even remotely inclined to support you >>> financially, so keep that in mind. >>> >>> >> >>I've never been to one of these meetings, but this statement provoked >> response from me. >> >>I've always wondered why, if I have a $19 tab, (per the check) $20 is >> not enough? >> >>Does the server staff work for me? No. I am the customer. I went to the >> establishment to relax, or whatever. Why is it basically mandatory I >> help pay the staff's salary? I'm already patronizing the establishment, >> purchasing goods they are selling to me at a profit. If the staff is >> that underpaid, why am I obligated to compensate? All the different >> jobs I've had, from the lowest, peanut paying positions to the best, no >> passers by, bosses, or anyone else has tossed 15% of my wage on the >> table as they passed thru. >> >>I guess I just don't get whats up with that whole thing. If you're >> underpaid and want a raise, you talk to your BOSS, you don't call the >> customers 'cheapo's'. In NO other business would this be acceptable, >> ever. >> >>-mj >> >> >> >> >>>So, that all said. What do you think the chances are that we can all >>> act >>> like the responsible adults, being to which we purport, and find a >>> way >>>to NOT burn our friends for their hard-earned cash this next time >>> around? We remain cautiously optimistic. >>> >>>That's all. >>> >>>Legendre, Lamer, Jima, Phemale, AdaByron, Ein, and anyone else who >>> feels a little cheated >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >>> Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org >>>tclug-announce mailing list >>>tclug-announce@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >> >> >>--------------------- >>Jentges.NET, Inc. >>Voice: 763.783.3702 >>Cell: 763.370.1201 >>--------------------- >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Sep 23 20:28:38 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <3F70DF69.3060303@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 07:03:53PM -0500 References: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> <20030923104414.63918251.william.layer@comcast.net> <20030923192949.GE17348@fandre.com> <20030923213723.GA12146@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F70DF69.3060303@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030923202838.A17792@thinkunix.net> In My Opinion; check the Jargon dictionary: http://info.astrian.net/jargon/ I have to use it sometimes too...I guess I must be getting old. Sam MacDonald wrote: > Ok someone tell this un hip newbie what IMO means. or I'll use LAGNAF > on ya! > > John J. Trammell wrote: > >No need to split into tclug-newbie and tclug-expert IMO. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at JentgeS.NeT Tue Sep 23 20:33:36 2003 From: mj at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: References: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: <2250.199.199.150.147.1064367216.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> And hence AUTHOR wrote: Matthew C. Dettinger > Servers have for many, many years worked for minimum wage + tip. Society > as a whole has generally accepted the notion that when you dine at a > service establishment you pay the house for the food, and tip the server > for their attention to your needs, ie. service. If an individual wants That's a bunch of hoo-haa. "Society?" > Like I said... society has generally accepted this concept, but as > always there is the fringe with a wild ideology that tries to explain > their cheapness away by saying, "I don't get it." Wild idealogy? Read my post again. No wonder the best you can do is an untipped waiter. > > It is not too big a deal if someone does not leave a tip. Just realize > that the establishment, your friends, and anyone else who sees this > thinks of you as being cheap, and nothing more. Regardless of your > perception of the event. Finally, I never said I DIDN'T TIP. I said I don't understand the whole concept. Why in this and this industry only is it 'expected' the poor working stiff that feels extravagant on payday assist your employer in paying your salary? He's already been hit hard by uncle sam, for one thing.... If you don't like it, get another job. Perhaps be a checkout clerk somewhere. I think the salary runs about the same. Let me know how the tips are there and what happens when you call the customers derogatory names. -mj > > > mcd > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at JentgeS.NeT Tue Sep 23 20:40:06 2003 From: mj at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <1064361495.3918.95.camel@bigtime> References: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <1064361495.3918.95.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <2258.199.199.150.147.1064367606.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> > > Have you ever worked as a waiter/ess? In a large corporate chain? Are > you 20 or under? Do you realise these people are unappreciated slaves? > That you get treated like shit because you're not 30+? The faceless > corporation they work for sees them as a liability, not an asset, let > alone a human being? Its bad enough being treated like trash by your > managers and supervisors, you don't need it from the customers too. No and no. However, I have not lived with my parents since age 17. I have worked at many occupations since then, never had to do that though. I'm 40 now. >> I guess I just don't get whats up with that whole thing. If you're >> underpaid and want a raise, you talk to your BOSS, you don't call the >> customers 'cheapo's'. > > Especially in corporate chains like Dennys, Perkins, etc, you DO NOT get > raises. You just get fired and replaced. Its cheaper to just hire > someone new at base pay than keep people on and give them raises. > There's plenty of others desperate enough to take it. I'm afraid this rings true in many many corporations, non food related as well. This is why you bust butt to learn an occupation where you cannot easily be replaced by the next clown that passes by. >God Bless > America. That's right, buddy! --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Tue Sep 23 20:40:44 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <3F70E2A2.3060904@visi.com> Message-ID: <64a65aa24cda79146f3d03b558eee04b@stfu.local.> I would like to thank you all for veering off-course and taking the focus from your fellow LUG members getting the shaft and placing it after your own feelings. Poor you for being expected to pony up for for a 15-20% tip. From here on out we should be on a cash basis only. Pay for your food and drinks as you get them and/or pick up your own tab. I for one am done picking up the extra because SOME of you have decided to skip out. -- Ben Lutgens US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby / General Purpose Lackey _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at JentgeS.NeT Tue Sep 23 20:44:08 2003 From: mj at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] !@#$ing spammers! In-Reply-To: <1064360019.3918.71.camel@bigtime> References: <1064360019.3918.71.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <2270.199.199.150.147.1064367848.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> And hence AUTHOR wrote: Callum Lerwick > > Whee, apparently some spammers have decided to start using MY personal > email in the To: line of their spams. Not otherwise having anything to > do with my systems or domain, I just get spurts of hundreds of their > !@#$ing bounce messages from all over the universe filling my mailbox. > Anyone had to deal with this before? Any good tricks for filtering it? > Its quite irritating. No its not a virus. Example: Find a common denominator and use procmail. It kicks butt. -mj _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 20:45:35 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] !@#$ing spammers! In-Reply-To: <1064360019.3918.71.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <20030924014535.2007.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Can't say as I know of a fix for this. Some LOSER was doing the same thing last week with mine, faking my email address and changing the name 5 or six times throught all the bounce back messages I got from dead email accounts they tried mailing to. I emailed Yahoo's tech support and they told me there wasn't anything they could do, and if I didn't like the returned emails, to forward them to my trash. I did however start emailing the network, security, and abuse email addys at the ISPs I found in the headers of the returned emails (hopign they were where this spammer was sending from) and asked them to look into it. So far, I haven't gotten any more returns, so it seems to either have worked, or the spammer moved on to other email addys. It's always a good idea to track down the offender's ISP and notify them of their actions, as they don't like having users abusing their services, and usually have the most power to stop them. Good Luck, Joel --- Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Whee, apparently some spammers have decided to start using MY personal > email in the To: line of their spams. Not otherwise having anything to > do with my systems or domain, I just get spurts of hundreds of their > !@#$ing bounce messages from all over the universe filling my mailbox. > Anyone had to deal with this before? Any good tricks for filtering it? > Its quite irritating. No its not a virus. Example: > > Return-Path: > Received: from SS-92123B97C255 (218.19.202.231) by > mta6.wss.scd.yahoo.com (7.0.016) id 3F616574004F26E0 for > spam@bftech.net; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:51:16 -0700 > Message-ID: <3F616574004F26E0@mta6.wss.scd.yahoo.com> (added by > postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) > From: "bazerone@email.com" > To: "ebay@timferreira.com" > Subject: tamara > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:51:51 +0800 > X-Priority: 3 (normal) > Importance: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > > Order prescription medicine online discretely and cheaply yadda yadda > yadda > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature name=signature.asc __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Sep 23 20:52:02 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <64a65aa24cda79146f3d03b558eee04b@stfu.local.>; from blutgens@us-admins.com on Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:40:44PM -0500 References: <3F70E2A2.3060904@visi.com> <64a65aa24cda79146f3d03b558eee04b@stfu.local.> Message-ID: <20030923205202.B17792@thinkunix.net> Ben Lutgens wrote: > I would like to thank you all for veering off-course and taking the > focus from your fellow LUG members getting the shaft and placing it > after your own feelings. Poor you for being expected to pony up for > for a 15-20% tip. > > From here on out we should be on a cash basis only. Pay for your food > and drinks as you get them and/or pick up your own tab. I for one am > done picking up the extra because SOME of you have decided to skip > out. I'm all for separate tabs. We'll probably eventually limit where we can have the beer meetings by doing this, but I too am tired of covering others. Separate checks for me from now on. As far as the whole wait-staff tipping issue. Everyone has the ability to chose their own path in life. If they (waitstaff) don't like the wages, they should find another job. I tip if I feel service was good. If service sucks, no tip. I'll have to side with Mike Jentges on this one, I've never gotten tips in any occupation I've been at and I've done my share of time in the retail industry. Would sure be nice if _some_ of the people I spent time helping tipped me 15% or more. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Tue Sep 23 21:13:20 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues References: Message-ID: <3F70FDC0.B6B5A6C0@ppdonline.com> Simple solution, PAY CASH! I also have a few comments for the multitude that replied to the original message... 1. If tipping, due to social construct or whatever, is considered mandatory then put it on the receipt (as is commonly done with large groups). If you are not charged for it then it truly is optional. Just because _you_ tip well doesn't mean the next guy has to. 2. Servers are not slaves, they ALWAYS have the option to quit. 3. Server's in MN make at least minimum wage or better (in a lot of cases better), we are not a "tip credit" state where the employer can reduce salaries due to expected tip income. 4. Not everyone who refuses to tip is just a cheap person. Would you still call them cheap if they truly disliked the service? There have been times when I've left a penny because the server was a complete failure and I wanted to send a message, I've also written notes on the receipt telling them just how badly they served me. Some people object to tipping for the server's own good. Some less respectable businesses in states other than our own (see number three) will abuse the tip credit and use the server as a very cheap janitor/maintanance tech/anything. If we didn't have tipping (and thus "tip credit" laws) this wouldn't be the case. 5. Corporation bashing is getting really old, learn a new tune. Corporations are not evil monsters that do of their own volition, they are people just like you and me. A corporation is a group a stockholders able to vote in leadership who in turn controls the direction of the business. If you are unhappy with a corporations actions and are a stockholder, vote. If you are a customer, go elsewhere for goods and services. If you are an employee, quit (see number two). Corporations are not omnipotent entities, get over it. If you've gone to the bar with a large group of people more than a couple times you realize that there will always be someone who doesn't leave enough. Whether it be alcohol dulling the mathematics ability of the person in question or simply forgetting to add tax (I've seen that happen many times by people I know well and trust, it just slips the mind) or a deliberate attempt to avoid paying, IT HAPPENS! I learned long ago not to get involved with large tabs, if your wait staff won't go cash or separate checks then take your business elsewhere but if you get involved with a tab and someone leaves you high and dry I don't have much sympathy for you. Move on, Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Tue Sep 23 21:33:04 2003 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <3F70FDC0.B6B5A6C0@ppdonline.com> References: <3F70FDC0.B6B5A6C0@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <3F710260.4090104@therub.org> Ben Bargabus wrote: > Simple solution, PAY CASH! I also have a few comments for the multitude > that replied to the original message... > Psh. Who carries cash anymore? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Tue Sep 23 23:21:19 2003 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <3F70EBDF.8060809@visi.com> References: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F70EBDF.8060809@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030924042119.GB913@pasiphae.stderr.net> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 07:57:03PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Ya might want to rethink that statement. > > Wait staff in many cases don't make minimum wage, the tip is part of the > wage _and part of the business_. If your wait person does a crappy job > don't tip, but if they do a good job tip the 15%. If they go way beyond > tip more. On #tclug it was quoted that minimum wage is $4.50 in Minnesota in the food industry. > What I have to say to you is, get a job waiting table. You will only > understand what it means to be jilted on a tip when you have been jilted > on a tip. I worked for many years in the service industry, bar > tender/waiter. I have this to say to anyone that thinks they shouldn't tip, Why on earth would he have to get a job waiting tables? It's not going to change his nor my perception of servers. To ME they are there to SERVE ME, I go there to be SERVED! If you can't bother asking me if my meal is as I expected, check if I need a refill then you should not expect ANY tip at all. You are there to serve me, and I pay you for that service. Cry me a fucking river, if you wanted to have a steady income you should not have picked a waiting job and count on 20% tips - or you should treat your "clients" like you wanted to be treated yourself. Now to be fair, there's always idiots that don't tip no matter what, and they should be the ones going to the places that you don't need to tip as you mentioned before. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 23 22:50:31 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <1064361495.3918.95.camel@bigtime> References: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <1064361495.3918.95.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <3F711487.1050604@visi.com> Callum Lerwick wrote: >>establishment to relax, or whatever. Why is it basically mandatory I help >>pay the staff's salary? I'm already patronizing the establishment, >>purchasing goods they are selling to me at a profit. If the staff is that >>underpaid, why am I obligated to compensate? All the different jobs I've >>had, from the lowest, peanut paying positions to the best, no passers by, >>bosses, or anyone else has tossed 15% of my wage on the table as they >>passed thru. >> >> > >Have you ever worked as a waiter/ess? In a large corporate chain? Are >you 20 or under? Do you realise these people are unappreciated slaves? >That you get treated like shit because you're not 30+? The faceless >corporation they work for sees them as a liability, not an asset, let >alone a human being? Its bad enough being treated like trash by your >managers and supervisors, you don't need it from the customers too. >*Sounds just like working for IBM* > > sam >>I guess I just don't get whats up with that whole thing. If you're >>underpaid and want a raise, you talk to your BOSS, you don't call the >>customers 'cheapo's'. >> >> > >Especially in corporate chains like Dennys, Perkins, *IBM* etc, you DO NOT get >raises. You just get fired and replaced. Its cheaper to just hire >someone new at base pay than keep people on and give them raises. >There's plenty of others desperate enough to take it. > > > sam >Non-nationwide corporate chains are getting very rare indeed. > > > >>In NO other business would this be acceptable, ever. >> >> > >We live in a world of corporations being given preferential treatment as >if an individual, corruption, greed, and cost cutting. God Bless >America. > > *Sounds just like working for IBM *sam* * _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 23 22:57:17 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <2250.199.199.150.147.1064367216.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> References: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <2250.199.199.150.147.1064367216.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: <3F71161D.6060500@visi.com> I hope you know how to cook. Sam. Michael Jentges wrote: >And hence AUTHOR wrote: Matthew C. Dettinger > > >>Servers have for many, many years worked for minimum wage + tip. Society >> as a whole has generally accepted the notion that when you dine at a >>service establishment you pay the house for the food, and tip the server >> for their attention to your needs, ie. service. If an individual wants >> >> > >That's a bunch of hoo-haa. "Society?" > > > >>Like I said... society has generally accepted this concept, but as >>always there is the fringe with a wild ideology that tries to explain >>their cheapness away by saying, "I don't get it." >> >> > >Wild idealogy? Read my post again. No wonder the best you can do is an >untipped waiter. > > > >>It is not too big a deal if someone does not leave a tip. Just realize >>that the establishment, your friends, and anyone else who sees this >>thinks of you as being cheap, and nothing more. Regardless of your >>perception of the event. >> >> > >Finally, I never said I DIDN'T TIP. I said I don't understand the whole >concept. >Why in this and this industry only is it 'expected' the poor working stiff >that feels extravagant on payday assist your employer in paying your >salary? He's already been hit hard by uncle sam, for one thing.... > >If you don't like it, get another job. Perhaps be a checkout clerk >somewhere. I think the salary runs about the same. Let me know how the >tips are there and what happens when you call the customers derogatory >names. > >-mj > > > >>mcd >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > >--------------------- >Jentges.NET, Inc. >Voice: 763.783.3702 >Cell: 763.370.1201 >--------------------- > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Sep 23 22:59:02 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <3F70DF69.3060303@visi.com> References: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> <20030923104414.63918251.william.layer@comcast.net> <20030923192949.GE17348@fandre.com> <20030923213723.GA12146@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F70DF69.3060303@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030924035902.GA20990@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 07:03:53PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Ok someone tell this un hip newbie what IMO means. or I'll use LAGNAF > on ya! > Lasagna And Grape Nuts and Falafel? Oooh, I'm shaking. :^) -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nota12b at iglide.net Tue Sep 23 23:40:35 2003 From: nota12b at iglide.net (nota12b) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Recent Beermeeting issues - my thoughts In-Reply-To: <20030924044201.29819.11812.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: First, opinions are like assh*les... Everybody got one. Everybody's stinks but yours. That having been said, and philosophical/political/religious issues aside: that $20 tab you rang up - will cost the server 8% for federal/state/local taxes (this is based on Indiana laws, of which I can speak to) - will cost the server 4% (additionally) to the bus-person Now we can lay aside the whole 'in Europe they...', cause a quick 2nd grade check of geography will reveal that WE AREN'T THERE! If it comes as a surprise to anybody at this point that tips are expected as part of your dining experience, perhaps there are more remedial classes for you. 15% is the norm. Now I have worked waiting tables (briefly, but it's there, and there's a reason I DON'T any more, but I digress....), and it IS my responsibility to give you service. You came out to dinner to 'be served' - you expect drinks refilled, extra napkins, suggestions of what the specialty of the house is, possibly what beverage goes with the meal (wine, for instance), dessert options, doggy bags, and crayons for the rugrats. If I perform all these tasks in an acceptable manner it is your responsibility to conform to what is expected and tip - some do, some don't - but it IS expected. (Again, I'm not going into philosophical points here on whether 'it should be' or 'shouldn't be' - it's JUST THE WAY IT IS IN THE US.) And the established norm for this is 15%. Most places put a surcharge on groups of 20% because the wait staff is having to take an inordinate amount of time on a single group instead of taking more tables w/ likely a larger tip opportunity - and to prevent the 'don't's from skipping out on it. Now that I've wailed away at that point, I also HIGHLY recommend that if you get substandard service, PLEASE pay by plastic... you get that $20 tab and received nasty service PUT DOWN YOUR 2 CENTS - literally! I can't tell you how many .02 tips I've put down. See, they have to do that whole reconciliation thing at the end of the shift, and that .02 is REQUIRED to be run thru the machine again. And any manager that sees this will KNOW it wasn't a mistake (where it COULD be written off as one if you didn't tip at all), questions follow, and you've made your statement and got it heard. BUT THE BIGGEST POINT IS... IF you are going to participate in the beermeetings - where social morays DEMAND you tip 15% (or more - I don't recall EVER getting bad service at one of our beermeetings - of which I've missed very few all in all), choke it up or stay home and choke your chicken because the REST OF US WILL PICK UP THE SLACK. I may like you. I may even like you enough to buy you a beer (hey! I said 'a', as in ONE). But $60 is just plain taking cash out of my pocket. Wil "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - George Orwell _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Sep 24 00:12:25 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh 3.7.1 compile problem with crusty openssl References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBE7@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <007201c3825a$7113b3d0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Austad, Jay writes: > What options do I pass to do that? Would it be in configure or make? That depends. You need to get the binary linked with the -static option. With PHP, making it with this works: LDFLAGS=-all-static make Sometimes the easiest thing to do is to build it normally, then copy command that actually links the binary and add the -static option. This doesn't always work, as in the PHP case (since there are lots of libraries linked into the various modules). Sometimes you might have to edit the autoconf / automake files, rebuild the files they generate (autoreconf works for this) and then configure and make. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Wed Sep 24 00:18:52 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] !@#$ing spammers! References: <1064360019.3918.71.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <3F71293C.7090702@cleosci.com> I had the same problem last week, and it was the second time now. The previous adventure was about 3 months ago. I must have gotten over 500 bounced emails back on my server last weekend though. Anyway, I did the same things another user mentioned; I replied to the ISP at each relay server letting them know this was going through their box(es). You know the funny thing, I never figured out what the message subjects were that were being spammed out... :) Garrett Callum Lerwick wrote: > >Whee, apparently some spammers have decided to start using MY personal >email in the To: line of their spams. Not otherwise having anything to >do with my systems or domain, I just get spurts of hundreds of their >!@#$ing bounce messages from all over the universe filling my mailbox. >Anyone had to deal with this before? Any good tricks for filtering it? >Its quite irritating. No its not a virus. Example: > >Return-Path: >Received: from SS-92123B97C255 (218.19.202.231) by >mta6.wss.scd.yahoo.com (7.0.016) id 3F616574004F26E0 for >spam@bftech.net; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:51:16 -0700 >Message-ID: <3F616574004F26E0@mta6.wss.scd.yahoo.com> (added by > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Wed Sep 24 00:39:59 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net>; from mj@JentgeS.NeT on Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 05:18:12PM -0500 References: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: <20030924003959.E14871@joelschneider.net> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 05:18:12PM -0500, Michael Jentges wrote: > I've always wondered why, if I have a $19 tab, (per the check) $20 is not > enough? Cheapo. > I guess I just don't get whats up with that whole thing. You've heard the expression, "don't sh-t where you eat" ? -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Sep 24 01:52:03 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cable v. dsl v. satellite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030924065203.GC26180@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 04:04:58PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: [snip] > First, AFAIK dish is only 1-way high-speed. And the latency sucks. I > have no other experience with them - only that they've been hated by > gamers because of the latency, and people that do interactive-type stuff > like ssh/telnet a lot. Web and downloads are probably fine, and for your > average user most of your traffic is incoming anyways, so depending on > your usage this might not suck. Indeed, it sucks a great deal, and is meant for the areas that are not served by anything else resembling 'high speed'. [Snip DSL] DSL is great if you need a very long term static IP and/or a block of IP's, and are willing to pay extra to get up to cable speeds. > As far as cable goes, I've never had it. Some of my friends say it's the > greatest thing since sliced bread, 10MBit throughput all the time, never > goes down, etc. Someone I know in Eden Prairie has TWT cable and says it > sucks - throughput is okay some of the time, but it's down a lot, support > sucks, etc. I often wonder if "geek pride" prevents the friends in group > #1 from telling the truth about their service, or if it's actually that > much better in different areas. Much like DSL, cable service varies based on the local cable provider and how many 45-900mhz splitters you have between you and the provider. Time Warner rate limits at 2mbit downstream 768k upstream IIRC, Comcast is currently 1.8mbit down, 300kbit up, with an option to go to 3mbit/300kbit for an extra $20/mo or so. Most issues are due to a bad modem (cable modems are recycled like crazy at comcast, i solved a very issues by purchasing new ones for customers), other issues are due to a bad signal, the rest are your usual backhoe/incompetent/act of god type issues. > I also know someone that was running a VPN over some high port, and > ATT started filtering it after a few weeks of constant traffic to it. Good point, just because it's unlimited doesn't mean you need to use it like it's going out of style, wasting anyones bandwidth is 'not nice'. > Unless you get "business" cable, there's no way to get a static IP. It's been over a year since my IP has changed. DHCP. > Original MediaOne users have had to change e-mail addy's 3 times in 4 > years (check my numbers here). MediaOne.com -> ATTbi.com -> Comcast. We > have taken over 5 or 6 ISP's over the years, and they all are still using > their original addresses. I can't even fathom what bone-headed decision > lead to this, but it must have sucked for those poor punters that had to > go through it. People actually use their ISP for email? > If you have line of site to our building (France & 494, so you're close) > you might be able to get wireless to us. 11MBit of pure love. 5.4mbit tops, shared between x number of clients, at the speed of the slowest negotiated client =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Sep 24 01:56:28 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cable v. dsl v. satellite In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBF0@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBF0@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030924065628.GD26180@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 04:57:59PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Apparently Comcast is sending letters to users saying that they use too much > bandwidth, but they won't tell them what the limit is. I have Comcast and I > haven't gotten a letter yet. You read this on slashdot, comcast does different things in different markets, this is a west coast issue, iirc, and will most likely have zero effect on the local market. > I have had major problems with it though, the > only way I could get them to fix their network is pin it down for them and > post to NANOG to get someone to look at it. Their tech support is a bunch > of morons that just tell you to reboot your machine. You did not speak with technical support, you spoke with the outsourced cable modem rebooting service in quebec. > I had way less problems with DSL. I've heard only good things about TWT It can go either way, depending on your line/cable quality. Much like choosing a cellular provider. [trim your posts] -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Sep 24 02:02:58 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030924070258.GE26180@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 05:58:55PM -0500, Matthew C. Dettinger wrote: > If we were lucky enough to be in the Ukraine situation do you think servers > would work for min wage + 1% tip? No they would quit, and the restaurant > would need to hire servers at $14.00 instead of $4.25. Then you would see > the price of your burger at $8.00 instead of $5.00. You pay for the labor > one way or another. I pay less than $2 for a good burger at mcdonalds, no tipping allowed. I can easily spend $8 on a burger at _any_ beer meeting, denny's, perkins, etc. where a tip is expected. I'll tip as I see fit, not as is expected of me. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Sep 24 02:20:20 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <20030924042119.GB913@pasiphae.stderr.net> References: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F70EBDF.8060809@visi.com> <20030924042119.GB913@pasiphae.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20030924072020.GF26180@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 11:21:19PM -0500, Thomas Eibner wrote: [snip] > Why on earth would he have to get a job waiting tables? It's not going to > change his nor my perception of servers. To ME they are there to SERVE ME, > I go there to be SERVED! If you can't bother asking me if my meal is as > I expected, check if I need a refill then you should not expect ANY tip at > all. You are there to serve me, and I pay you for that service. Exactly, pay the house for the food, the server for the service. Bad service, no tip. I've gone to $establishment repeatedly and had them screw up my order EVERY SINGLE TIME, despite CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS and being rather nice, yet clear about my order (nothing special, just '#6, ranch dressing on the side, sprite' If they can't be bothered to write something that simple down, and double check it when the cook lays it out, then min. wage is sufficient. On the other hand, I've had some excellent experiences when the order is right, the waiter is nice, makes sure everything is OK and i'm not left without silverware or a drink. I know they make poor wages and I'm happy to tip them 20%+ > Cry me a fucking river, if you wanted to have a steady income you should > not have picked a waiting job and count on 20% tips - or you should > treat your "clients" like you wanted to be treated yourself. No kidding. > > Now to be fair, there's always idiots that don't tip no matter what, and > they should be the ones going to the places that you don't need to tip > as you mentioned before. I think the problem is that most places with waiters charge $8 for a burger, $2 for a drink, and $3 for a slice of pie. You feel you've already been overcharged for your so-so food, and don't really feel like paying extra for the so-so service. Summary - pay what is deserved, not what is expected. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Wed Sep 24 04:47:02 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <20030924042119.GB913@pasiphae.stderr.net> References: <3100.199.199.150.6.1064355492.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F70EBDF.8060809@visi.com> <20030924042119.GB913@pasiphae.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3F716816.2070603@lorenburlingame.com> Thomas Eibner wrote: > > Why on earth would he have to get a job waiting tables? It's not going to > change his nor my perception of servers. To ME they are there to SERVE ME, > I go there to be SERVED! If you can't bother asking me if my meal is as > I expected, check if I need a refill then you should not expect ANY tip at > all. You are there to serve me, and I pay you for that service. This reminds me of a recent "This American Life" documentary (Ira Glass, NPR) about mean people, or more specifically, mean girls. One of the "case studies" (not very official as it involved 2 waitresses) was to determine if female servers got better tips if they were extremely attentive and efficient or if they recieved better tips when they ignored or were mean to the customer. The results seemed to favor the later. I, at least, thought this interesting enough to share :) LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Wed Sep 24 07:19:05 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tipping (was: something else) Message-ID: <3F718BB9.8090105@real-time.com> Hi all, I haven't really been following the thread too closely, but I noticed that few of you (of those messages which I read, and of those who actually chose to talk about it) have ever actually worked in the food service biz. Well, I worked as a waiter for 10 years during and after college. The restaurants don't matter, although they were here in the cities. I want to bring up one really interesting point: lousy tippers are remembered by waiters and waitresses. Not only that, but they warn each other if one person knows something that the others haven't heard about yet. Not only that, but groups are remembered even more than individuals. The situation of a group that tips poorly (regardless of some individuals being generous and others being cheap) will rapidly degenerate, because a server thinks, "Why should I bother giving them good service if they're just going to stiff me anyway?" Meanwhile, the cheapskates are pointing at the sub-par service to justify their already low or non-existent tipping (even though it is likely that their cheapness is what inspired the poor service in the first place). Those sitting on the fence, as it were, may very well be swayed by the cheapskates' argument, and lower their tip as well, further adding to the degeneration of service. And those who tip 15% minimum, more for better service, and less for poor service, end up getting poor service even though they are perfectly willing to tip well for good service. Now let's throw another variable into this mess. What if you get a not-so-ethical server who already knows about a group or individual? That person has no problem spitting in your drinks or food, or dropping food on the floor and then just picking it up and serving it to you. I've seen it done, and it happens a lot more to the cheapskates than the generous folk. So from a purely selfish and pragmatic point of view, it makes sense to tip well, in order to motivate your server to give you not only good service, but clean food and drink. If I ever actually went to a beer meeting, I would do like I've done at other group meetings: I personally hand the server my cash tip, so he or she knows that *I* am generous, even if the rest of the group isn't. And, in order to really make a distinction between myself and the rest of the group, I usually give a 25-30% tip -- that covers at least a little bit of what is lost from those who don't tip or tip poorly, and further cements the memory of my generosity in the waiter's mind. The server will remember me in the future, and tell his associates to give me good service even if they ignore the rest of the group. Just my three cents. I'll not saying anything more on this topic. -- Dave Sherman - MCSE, MCSA, CCNA Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Wed Sep 24 08:20:36 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus protection Message-ID: <3F719A24.8050909@eworld3.net> Ok, stop laughing. The company I'm consulting at has a client that insists on putting virus protection on all their boxes. We've been trying to install and configure TrendMicro's ServerProtect Linux product but continue to have problems. Also, I'm not personally impressed with them in general. I found that Network Associates/Mcafee has a command-line product but we have not evaluated it. There are several other companies that I have never heard of that make products. http://www.kaspersky.com http://www.datafellows.com/ http://www.ravantivirus.com/ How do you know you can trust them? Of course, I searched sourceforge but did not find anything that was sufficiently mature. We don't have a lot of time to evaluate various products so if anyone has experience with virus protection software for Linux, I would like to hear about it. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Wed Sep 24 08:14:03 2003 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total system breakage Message-ID: There was a big SSH vulnerability that Debian patched for stable and I believe that they patched for testing and unstable. I would suggest that you read about the vulnerability to see what features they might have turned off. Jeff Rasmussen -----Original Message----- From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:seg@haxxed.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 6:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Total system breakage Okay, last night two of my boxes, both running debian testing went down in an interesting manner. They've stopped authenticating remotely. I can log in on console, but I can't ssh nor FTP in. (Running proftp) Email seems to work though, one's running wu-imap and the other courier-imap. The only thing significant I've done is doing an apt-get update yesterday on one, and a few days ago on another. Trying to update it now doesn't find anything new. Am I the only one getting this? It would seem to point at PAM, I'm not getting anything in the logs, nor is sshd -ddd telling me anything's wrong. It just hangs. Probably a package broke in testing, but I'm concerned I got nailed by some worm. ;P Its a pain in the ass to work on because I have to stand around in the living room for one box, and the other is 100 miles away. :P I'll have to try reverting packages to woody versions by hand or something. This is what I get with -vvv, though after a while it seems to start just refusing connections, though sshd hasn't crashed or complained about anything. $ ssh -vvv marvin OpenSSH_3.5p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090701f debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: Applying options for * debug1: Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be trusted. debug1: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to marvin [192.168.0.1] port 22. debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /home/seg/.ssh/identity type -1 debug1: identity file /home/seg/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 debug1: identity file /home/seg/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 debug1: Remote protocol version 1.99, remote software version OpenSSH_3.6.1p2 Debian 1:3.6.1p2-3 debug1: match: OpenSSH_3.6.1p2 Debian 1:3.6.1p2-3 pat OpenSSH* debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.5p1 debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,r ijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,r ijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hm ac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hm ac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,r ijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,r ijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hm ac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hm ac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 debug2: mac_init: found hmac-md5 debug1: kex: server->client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug2: mac_init: found hmac-md5 debug1: kex: client->server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP debug1: dh_gen_key: priv key bits set: 129/256 debug1: bits set: 1618/3191 debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY debug3: check_host_in_hostfile: filename /home/seg/.ssh/known_hosts debug3: check_host_in_hostfile: match line 1 debug3: check_host_in_hostfile: filename /home/seg/.ssh/known_hosts debug3: check_host_in_hostfile: match line 1 debug1: Host 'marvin' is known and matches the RSA host key. debug1: Found key in /home/seg/.ssh/known_hosts:1 debug1: bits set: 1629/3191 debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct debug1: kex_derive_keys debug1: newkeys: mode 1 debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent debug1: waiting for SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS debug1: newkeys: mode 0 debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received debug1: done: ssh_kex2. debug1: send SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST debug1: service_accept: ssh-userauth debug1: got SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT It just hangs forever here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030924/352b5508/attachment.html From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Sep 24 08:19:23 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] in flight Linux! Message-ID: Just got back from a week in Istanbul - on the way out we were on an A330 - real nice plan - every seat had a personal video player in the seat ahead of it. the player had: games - single player and multiple player (trivia game) movies - about 10 or so recent releases/documentry etc.. music - 10 or so different genre and the ability to make play lists. email - wasn't working SMS - no idea - I think instant messages to cell phones (?) some other option that I can't remember now... When I first tried the system the on screen menu was very very slow... the controller of the system was about the size of the phones you'd usually see in the seats. the contoler had buttons and a small joystick like deal for moving around the screen - it also could be held sideways for playing games. Anyway, as people started using the system - more and more started to grumble - that's when I noticed that stewards were coming over and talking to the man sitting ahead of me.. He'd get up, be gone for a while then come back.... only to be interrupted again by a steward and the cycle would repeat itself... Then about 10 minutes into Matrix 2, there's an announcement that they are restarting the video system and it'll take 20 minutes to come back! whoa - that's one slow arse reboot ... about twenty minutes later the dude ahead of me comes back to hios seat and mumbles to his seat mate "that was me - sorry"... systems came back and everything was peachy... I finally flag the guy ahead of me (he was out of his seat 95 % of the trip I swear), and find out he's the "ride along" guy for testing the reaction to the new video system ... Cool! I comment on the 20 minute reboot - and then jump into trying to get more info out of him... he was kind of relucant, but parted with some info: (not a lot made sense to me but here's what I jotted down ): Token ring network computers running linux (he had no idea what a distro or a kernel was...) a disk array for video a disk array for audio no comment on the servers that the arrays are attache to each seat has a 386 under it and a 486 per each seat row (486 "watches" the 386s in it's row) 1 M ram per seat (eh??) at boot the seats get everything from the server. games are actually downloaded localy before lplaying. the multiplayer game is the most intensive app run - (??) remote acces from main terminal to every single seat computer... not much info - but nice to see linux running something like this... I only had about 5 mintues taking to him and got the feeling he wasn't too up on the nuts and bolts of the system.... the rest of the time he was out helping "customers" figure the system out... I tried a bunch of key combos - seeing if I could drop to a shell... no dice... :( next time I'm going to check out under my seat see if'n there's a serial port or some interface...:) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Wed Sep 24 08:44:30 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus protection In-Reply-To: <3F719A24.8050909@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <15f34f9e82578ded43690f7ca9553260@stfu.local.> -- Ben Lutgens US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby / General Purpose Lackey On 2003-09-24 08:20:36 -0500 Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > Ok, stop laughing. The company I'm consulting at has a client that > insists on > putting virus protection on all their boxes. So tell them its on there. Its not like they would know. Hell you could write a quick daemon in perl called "antivirusd" that runs and does alot of nothing and they would be none the wiser. On the other hand, I run virus scanners on linux boxes. On mail servers I use "sophie" cause it plugs into exim really well, and I use sophos (http://www.sophos.com) on my samba servers, for scanning smb shares. The samba servers also act as a central quarantine and reporting area. When the intercheck clients on the workstations encounter a virus, they move them to a write only portion of the samba server, then i get an email from said server alerting me to the virus. > We've been trying to install and configure TrendMicro's ServerProtect > Linux > product but continue to have problems. Also, I'm not personally > impressed > with them in general. > > I found that Network Associates/Mcafee has a command-line product but > we have > not evaluated it. There are several other companies that I have never > heard > of that make products. > http://www.kaspersky.com > http://www.datafellows.com/ > http://www.ravantivirus.com/ > > How do you know you can trust them? Of course, I searched sourceforge > but did > not find anything that was sufficiently mature. > > We don't have a lot of time to evaluate various products so if anyone > has > experience with virus protection software for Linux, I would like to > hear > about it. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com Wed Sep 24 08:45:27 2003 From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] in flight Linux! Message-ID: <77443483.6F39EAE8.09BD8409@aol.com> And here's Linux in a slightly more mission-critical sense- also airborne. I came across this the other day when I said I was headed to the Air Force to be a boom operator on a tanker and someone came back and mentioned some inflight Linux possibilities. http://www.lynuxworks.com/solutions/milaero/in-action/kc-135.php3 -Nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Sep 24 08:51:50 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] this should be simple?? Message-ID: <005901c382a3$00ef2aa0$47ae6742@DELL2> I need to reset my root password for mysql. I am trying to use the --skip-grant-tables command when starting the service, but it is ignoring the command. What syntax should I be using? Maybe I am trying to start it from the wrong location?? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 24 08:56:25 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus protection In-Reply-To: <3F719A24.8050909@eworld3.net> Message-ID: I've given kudos to McAfee on the list before, I think. We run their FreeBSD version on multiple machines, scanning e-mail, and love it. The licensing in our scenario was extremely cheap, with support/updates. As for trust - I trust them because they are a big name in A/V software (with a few others that I trust). I trust that I will get timely DAT updates because there are people that take a paycheck to actually do so. I trust them enough to run a pre-compiled binary as root, and on my network that's a lot of trust. Akin to giving your parents a spare set of keys to your house, despite the fact that mom likes to "drop in" unannounced, and there's always a chance that you're shaggin' up with the wifey, with Mark Knofler's "What It Is" blaring in the background (why yes, it is a short song), and she comes in and is like, "hello? is anyone home? What's that squeaking sound? And how did you book Mark Knofler?" Then you go downstairs, with half your shirt buttons undone, and the other half off-by-two, and have to get rid of her. Yeah, it's kind of like that...I imagine... On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > Ok, stop laughing. The company I'm consulting at has a client that > insists on putting virus protection on all their boxes. > > We've been trying to install and configure TrendMicro's ServerProtect > Linux product but continue to have problems. Also, I'm not personally > impressed with them in general. > > I found that Network Associates/Mcafee has a command-line product but we > have not evaluated it. There are several other companies that I have > never heard of that make products. > http://www.kaspersky.com > http://www.datafellows.com/ > http://www.ravantivirus.com/ > > How do you know you can trust them? Of course, I searched sourceforge > but did not find anything that was sufficiently mature. > > We don't have a lot of time to evaluate various products so if anyone > has experience with virus protection software for Linux, I would like to > hear about it. > -- > Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Sep 24 09:09:46 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <20030924035902.GA20990@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> <20030923104414.63918251.william.layer@comcast.net> <20030923192949.GE17348@fandre.com> <20030923213723.GA12146@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F70DF69.3060303@visi.com> <20030924035902.GA20990@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <3F71A5AA.8090204@visi.com> No it was the name of a softball team my older sister played on. Lets just say, I couldn't say it in front of children... Sam. John J. Trammell wrote: >On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 07:03:53PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>Ok someone tell this un hip newbie what IMO means. or I'll use LAGNAF >>on ya! >> >> >> > >Lasagna And Grape Nuts and Falafel? Oooh, I'm shaking. :^) > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Wed Sep 24 09:13:29 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus protection In-Reply-To: <3F719A24.8050909@eworld3.net> References: <3F719A24.8050909@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3F71A689.5070603@cdf123.com> Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > Ok, stop laughing. The company I'm consulting at has a client that > insists on putting virus protection on all their boxes. > > We've been trying to install and configure TrendMicro's ServerProtect > Linux product but continue to have problems. Also, I'm not personally > impressed with them in general. > > I found that Network Associates/Mcafee has a command-line product but > we have not evaluated it. There are several other companies that I > have never heard of that make products. > http://www.kaspersky.com > http://www.datafellows.com/ > http://www.ravantivirus.com/ > > How do you know you can trust them? Of course, I searched sourceforge > but did not find anything that was sufficiently mature. > > We don't have a lot of time to evaluate various products so if anyone > has experience with virus protection software for Linux, I would like > to hear about it. rav antivirus has worked great for me, but alas it's being discontinued due to it being purchased by Microsoft. I've started moving to clamav, so far so good. It's easy to setup and use. As far as trusting them, they are open source so it would be hard to hide something there, and the virus database gets updated fairly often, it comes with test files (not real viruses) to make sure it's working properly, and its free as in beer. It's been runing reliably on my server for about 2 months now, and it emails me it's results (a shell script + cron job I set up). It's default setup runs as the clamav user/group so no root issues there. Thats my $0.02 for advice, now for some questions... Why do they need AV on the linux box? Are they using it for a Samba/Email/Web server and just want something scanning there to protect the Win32 Clients? If it's not to protect a Win32 Client machine, then why worry about trusting the software? All it will do is use up CPU cycles, scan through disks, and finally accomplish nothing of value. My main reason for using clamav is to scan files that I would give to others or take to work, that way I won't be blamed for passing anything along to others. If they insist on having AV on all their boxes then don't the Win32 Clients already have an AV package protecting them? Just curious... Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From matthew at redroot.org Wed Sep 24 09:23:27 2003 From: matthew at redroot.org (Matthew C. Dettinger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <2250.199.199.150.147.1064367216.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: I grew up in a family that owned a restaurant. I waited tables most of my life through high school, college, and during the evenings after my day job for extra cash. I no longer wait tables in the evening. I have no desire to get into a pissing match about levels of income, and what we do for a living. I believe that to be irrelevant. Except to say I am bothered by your elitist attitude toward the working class of this nation. The Guthrie lab was running a great play I saw a few weeks ago called 'Nickle and Dimed' I suggest looking into it for glimpse of the majority of your/our society. --> http://www.guthrietheater.org/act_I/show_page.cfm?id_show=18030455 I grew up watching single mothers wait tables, trying to make ends meet. These are some of the people who do this job. They are young men and women without daddy war bucks to pay their college, trying to start off in life on the right foot. You are so brave on the tc-lug mail list. I want you to go to that single mother waiting tables that didn't finish high school. From the top of your great horse explain these same ideas to them. Tell them if they don't like it they should leave. Just don't lean too far or you may fall. I don't want this to escalate to nuclear war, but because of my upbringing, my experiences, I am very passionate about this subject. I guess I would like to reiterate my main point. If anyone feels that tipping %15 is absurd, wrong, unjustified, too generous, and unnecessary then don't eat at a service establishment. Eat at McDonald's. mcd On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Michael Jentges wrote: > > And hence AUTHOR wrote: Matthew C. Dettinger > > Servers have for many, many years worked for minimum wage + tip. Society > > as a whole has generally accepted the notion that when you dine at a > > service establishment you pay the house for the food, and tip the server > > for their attention to your needs, ie. service. If an individual wants > > That's a bunch of hoo-haa. "Society?" > > > Like I said... society has generally accepted this concept, but as > > always there is the fringe with a wild ideology that tries to explain > > their cheapness away by saying, "I don't get it." > > Wild idealogy? Read my post again. No wonder the best you can do is an > untipped waiter. > > > > > It is not too big a deal if someone does not leave a tip. Just realize > > that the establishment, your friends, and anyone else who sees this > > thinks of you as being cheap, and nothing more. Regardless of your > > perception of the event. > > Finally, I never said I DIDN'T TIP. I said I don't understand the whole > concept. > Why in this and this industry only is it 'expected' the poor working stiff > that feels extravagant on payday assist your employer in paying your > salary? He's already been hit hard by uncle sam, for one thing.... > > If you don't like it, get another job. Perhaps be a checkout clerk > somewhere. I think the salary runs about the same. Let me know how the > tips are there and what happens when you call the customers derogatory > names. > > -mj > > > > > > > mcd > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > --------------------- > Jentges.NET, Inc. > Voice: 763.783.3702 > Cell: 763.370.1201 > --------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 24 09:55:46 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <20030923205202.B17792@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > I'm all for separate tabs. We'll probably eventually limit where we can > have the beer meetings by doing this, but I too am tired of covering > others. Separate checks for me from now on. > not an acceptable solution, fact of the matter is: 1. most restaurants add a 15% gratuity for all parties over 10 people 2. it is generally accepted in this country that if you were satisfied with your food you pay gratuity. 3. we visit a lot of establishments, and i for one, would like to continue visiting these establishments as a group. 4. many places do not give out seperate checks. we can ask but we (the beeradmins) do not and WILL not include billing habits in the location selection process. The beermeetings are for FUN. to get together and drink together. If you do not like the above, you do not have to come. This is the final word on the matter. This discussion is over. The BeerAdmins Munir, Lorry and Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Sep 24 10:03:47 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] this should be simple?? In-Reply-To: <005901c382a3$00ef2aa0$47ae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Raymond Norton wrote: > I need to reset my root password for mysql. I am trying to use > the --skip-grant-tables command when starting the service, but it is > ignoring the command. What syntax should I be using? Maybe I am trying to > start it from the wrong location?? i always hate it when people give me this answer, but have you tried the MySQL FAQ? that is where i found the answer, though i cannot recall exactly how it is done. Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Sep 24 10:11:18 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] in flight Linux! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That's pretty cool, but it all seems...heavy. I'm sure the 386 and 486 CPUs were used to minimize weaight. Lower power, minimum fans. Even if the 386/486 isn't accurate, it's probally all as small and compact as possible with zero moving parts. One thing I remember from touring NWA on a high school field trip was that an absurd amount of weight is removed from a 747 by removing the ash trays from the seats. Weight is always a concern, so I'm suprised that every seat has a device under it. Thanks for the tidbit. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Sep 24 10:18:40 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030924101840.741c6474.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:58:55 -0500 (CDT) "Matthew C. Dettinger" wrote: > I don't want to belabor this, but one more thing. We don't live in the > > Ukraine. > > I don't care what they do in Beijing, Bangladesh, Kabul, Torah-Bora, > and Shang-Ra-la. 15 - 20% is the socially understood payment in > America. > > If we were lucky enough to be in the Ukraine situation do you think > servers would work for min wage + 1% tip? No they would quit, and the > restaurant would need to hire servers at $14.00 instead of $4.25. Then > you would see the price of your burger at $8.00 instead of $5.00. You > pay for the labor one way or another. > > At the least the current 'American' method gives an incentive for the > server to smile at you. > No it doesn't... A tip is just that, a gratuity of their service. If a server gives bad services, you either don't tip them or tip very little. If they're great on service, quick speed and friendly, you tip them more. My wife works as a hair stylist, tips are not mandatory either. Yet she receives them. Many of the people who work in the service industry who get tips are the ones who take it for granted that they WILL get tips. Regardless of what their service is. That's the problem with it, those people don't see a need to be friendly or give good service. They forget that they are the face of the business to the patron. If a server gives bad service, let them know. Let thier management know. For me, I will always tip a server. What the amount is depends upon their service. Want to insult them and let them know you did not like their service? Leave them a quarter, or a dollar. If your don't leave a tip, they will think you're cheap or forgot. Leaving a very minimal amount is letting them know they gave shitty work. As to wages, most servers work for minimal and have to report all their tips as income. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Sep 24 10:18:49 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] this should be simple?? References: <005901c382a3$00ef2aa0$47ae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <003f01c382af$279c53b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Raymond Norton writes: > I need to reset my root password for mysql. I am trying to use > the --skip-grant-tables command when starting the service, but it is > ignoring the command. What syntax should I be using? Maybe I am > trying to start it from the wrong location?? You are probably trying to pass it to the init script. You need to run the MySQL server binary directly. Look in the init script to find the full path and command. On Debian, you would do this: /usr/bin/mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables --skip-networking & mysqladmin -u root password 'newpassword' mysqladmin shutdown Note the skip-networking option. Without this, anyone could connect to the MySQL server while you are resetting the password. You will want to take other precautions if you have any untrusted local users. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 24 10:36:16 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > 1. most restaurants add a 15% gratuity for all parties over 10 people This is part of the bill. It is printed on the check and is calculated at the till. There is no grey area with the automatic 15% gratuity - it is NOT optional, and there is no argument for not paying it. It shouldn't even be called gratuity. The restaraunt is protecting the wait staff from the tipping habits of large parties, which have a tendency to have this very problem - everyone pays to the penny and leaves without paying any gratuity, which is a significant part of the income for the staff. I've only been to one or two of these meetings, but I would like to thank the organizers for their service. I wish I had time to go every week, as it's a great group. As an aside, I am a cheap bastard, and I come from a long line of cheap bastards, like my father, and my father's father (the stories I could tell). But in our book, the tip is 15% for showing up. If you're rude, the service is slow, or the food is bad, you get...wait for it...15%. If you go out of your way to help us enjoy ourselves, then the tip goes up. Also, the burlier and scarier looking the bartender is, the more his tip goes up :) That isn't to say that I won't let the owner or management know if the service was lousy - but I will not stiff the wait staff out of part of their paycheck. If you have a grumpy waiter, not tipping him isn't going to fix the problem. It's going to make him more grumpy, and management isn't going to find out about the problem to fix it. The waiter has little incentive to make you happy, other than a few extra bucks - but management has LOTS of incentive, to get you to come back again, and the friends that you tell, and their friends... They WILL fix bad servers. And the swift sword of restauranteer justice is much worse than missing a few extra bucks. Adam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Sep 24 11:05:39 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > I've only been to one or two of these meetings, but I would like to thank > the organizers for their service. I wish I had time to go every week, as > it's a great group. You're welcome. I wish we had time to organize them every week. Or money. (It's a biweekly event.) :) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Sep 23 16:06:29 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues Message-ID: Passing on a public service announcement on behalf of the core group of Beermeeting regulars: Hi, (If you haven't been a recent beermeeting attendee, feel free to stop reading this now, before you see how irritated I can really be. No need to take the stress.) On behalf of myself and the core-group of beermeeting attendees: At the last beermeeting, one or several folks SKIPPED OUT on their tabs, or portions of them - to the tune of a $60 shortage, left for those of us who remained, to cover. We're not sure if this is an act of ignorance, carelessness or simple theft, but it has happened several times and it is now going to *stop*. It is beyond insult to take money out of the pockets of your friends & colleagues, and it's an outright embarrassment that this should happen among a group that prides itself on knowledge, volunteerism and openness. I sincerely hope this is more a function of bad math than thievery, so in case that it might be the former issue, here's a few points on calculating your tab: - Know the actual costs of what you ordered, and the quantity of drinks you consumed.. don't forget the appetizers, or the side of fries. If you think you had "3 or 4", you had 5. If you need to round, round UP. - Remember that if you make a financial error, it is most likely to be in your own favor. That's basic human nature; know yourself for what you are. - In Minneapolis, sales tax on liquor and food can be in excess of 10% in some areas. If you don't know the local tax rate, ask your server or bartender. Guessing is for birthday parties & Christmas. - Gratuity in the range of 15-20% will be added, automatically, by the establishment, for parties of our size. Being a lousy tipper is neither an excuse nor an option in these cases. If you have a personal objection to tipping, stay home. To sum up, if you run a $19 tab, and slap down a $20, you are not thinking clearly - as in, thinking we are your parents or other benefactors.. None of us are even remotely inclined to support you financially, so keep that in mind. So, that all said. What do you think the chances are that we can all act like the responsible adults, being to which we purport, and find a way to NOT burn our friends for their hard-earned cash this next time around? We remain cautiously optimistic. That's all. Legendre, Lamer, Jima, Phemale, AdaByron, Ein, and anyone else who feels a little cheated _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Sep 24 11:06:48 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] this should be simple?? Message-ID: <00b201c382b5$dbd70860$47ae6742@DELL2> This is for a snort box, which I set up according to the docs. After some frustration I found root does not have the permissions to work with mysql. Everything works fine when you use the proper user:) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Wed Sep 24 11:25:57 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mgetty on pseudo terminal Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBF3@mail.temgweb.com> Does anyone know how I could run mgetty on a pseudo terminal? I can't seem to make it work. The basic idea would be to start mgetty listening on /dev/pty/m1 (the master), and then be able to connect to it with Minicom on /dev/pty/s1 (the slave). This should work right? I'm not getting anything. I know it sounds useless, but once I get this working, I'll make mgetty (or agetty) start something other than /bin/login. It's to fake out a program that needs a modem and doesn't speak IP. -jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 11:29:52 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tipping (was: something else) In-Reply-To: <3F718BB9.8090105@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030924162952.88673.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Interesting thoughts of course. I for one try to tip as much as I think the service was worth. Sometimes the problem is I get a server that obviously doesn't care about what they're doing (no, these are not servers I have ever even come close to having contact with ever in the past). It's odd how often these people are at the places that (for your "convenience") tack on the tip to your bill automagically. That being the case, I try to avoid restaurants that do this like the plague. Yes, I know servers tend to rely on tips to make a decent living, and I'm fine with tipping if indeed the service is worth it. However, I don't like the idea that tipping is a means of insuring you don't get intentionally terrible service like someone spitting in your food or drink. That to me borders on extortion, or at the very least, giving the bully at school your lunch money for fear of getting beat up. The only reason I would tip if I received poor service is if it looks like my server has been having a rough day. But if they blatantly, and for no good reason, give me poor service, the lack of a tip should tell them they need to be doing a better job, not to spit in my food the next time they see me. Otherwise, a tip is just an expectation, and if so, just added to the bill, forget about the service. Do I install a virus on a client's computer if I got treated poorly or didn't feel they paid me enough the last time I worked for them? No. Sorry about the ranting, just tipping sometimes gets to me, and how some servers thingk they deserve a good tip, even if they're slapping you in the face. Best Regards, Joel --- Dave Sherman wrote: > Hi all, > > I haven't really been following the thread too closely, but I noticed > that few of you (of those messages which I read, and of those who > actually chose to talk about it) have ever actually worked in the food > service biz. > > Well, I worked as a waiter for 10 years during and after college. The > restaurants don't matter, although they were here in the cities. I want > to bring up one really interesting point: lousy tippers are remembered > by waiters and waitresses. Not only that, but they warn each other if > one person knows something that the others haven't heard about yet. Not > only that, but groups are remembered even more than individuals. > > The situation of a group that tips poorly (regardless of some > individuals being generous and others being cheap) will rapidly > degenerate, because a server thinks, "Why should I bother giving them > good service if they're just going to stiff me anyway?" Meanwhile, the > cheapskates are pointing at the sub-par service to justify their already > > low or non-existent tipping (even though it is likely that their > cheapness is what inspired the poor service in the first place). Those > sitting on the fence, as it were, may very well be swayed by the > cheapskates' argument, and lower their tip as well, further adding to > the degeneration of service. And those who tip 15% minimum, more for > better service, and less for poor service, end up getting poor service > even though they are perfectly willing to tip well for good service. > > Now let's throw another variable into this mess. What if you get a > not-so-ethical server who already knows about a group or individual? > That person has no problem spitting in your drinks or food, or dropping > food on the floor and then just picking it up and serving it to you. > I've seen it done, and it happens a lot more to the cheapskates than the > > generous folk. So from a purely selfish and pragmatic point of view, it > makes sense to tip well, in order to motivate your server to give you > not only good service, but clean food and drink. > > If I ever actually went to a beer meeting, I would do like I've done at > other group meetings: I personally hand the server my cash tip, so he or > > she knows that *I* am generous, even if the rest of the group isn't. > And, in order to really make a distinction between myself and the rest > of the group, I usually give a 25-30% tip -- that covers at least a > little bit of what is lost from those who don't tip or tip poorly, and > further cements the memory of my generosity in the waiter's mind. The > server will remember me in the future, and tell his associates to give > me good service even if they ignore the rest of the group. > > Just my three cents. I'll not saying anything more on this topic. > -- > Dave Sherman - MCSE, MCSA, CCNA > > Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, > for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Sep 24 11:04:27 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues Message-ID: One: Cheapskates suck! Two: I don't understand the custom of tipping. Enough already! For those who don't know, the custom of tipping puts the customer in the drivers seat. _They_ decide if the service they get is deserving of a tip, and they decide _after_ the service is done. Excellent service can be rewarded, and poor service discouraged. If the customer wishes to discourage excellent service, or reward poor service, that is _their_ call. A 15% tip is the standard for good service in the food service industry. It is customary for a customer to pay this gratuity for good service. There are places that do not give the customer this opportunity to punish or reward their server based on the servers performance. Some places only give this opportunity to smaller parties. None of this is great news for servers, but they _can_ try to get another job if they don't like it, as could anyone. I might feel sorry for the high school dropout single mother, but it would be counterproductive to encourage her to provide poor service. >>> matthew@redroot.org 09/24/03 09:23AM >>> You are so brave on the tc-lug mail list. I want you to go to that single mother waiting tables that didn't finish high school. From the top of your great horse explain these same ideas to them. Tell them if they don't like it they should leave. Just don't lean too far or you may fall. > Finally, I never said I DIDN'T TIP. I said I don't understand the whole > concept. > If you don't like it, get another job. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Sep 24 11:36:59 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus protection In-Reply-To: References: <3F719A24.8050909@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030924163659.GC9346@fandre.com> We run McAfee on all our UNIX systems here at Honeywell. Works really slick. I created a wrapper script that check for updates on a ftp server and downloads them if necessary. McAfee has clients for more versions of UNIX that all have worked really well. On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > I've given kudos to McAfee on the list before, I think. > > We run their FreeBSD version on multiple machines, scanning e-mail, and > love it. > > The licensing in our scenario was extremely cheap, with support/updates. > > As for trust - I trust them because they are a big name in A/V software > (with a few others that I trust). I trust that I will get timely DAT > updates because there are people that take a paycheck to actually do so. > > I trust them enough to run a pre-compiled binary as root, and on my > network that's a lot of trust. Akin to giving your parents a spare set of > keys to your house, despite the fact that mom likes to "drop in" > unannounced, and there's always a chance that you're shaggin' up with the > wifey, with Mark Knofler's "What It Is" blaring in the background (why > yes, it is a short song), and she comes in and is like, "hello? is anyone > home? What's that squeaking sound? And how did you book Mark Knofler?" > Then you go downstairs, with half your shirt buttons undone, and the other > half off-by-two, and have to get rid of her. > > Yeah, it's kind of like that...I imagine... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Sep 24 11:59:56 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F71CD8C.6090306@visi.com> Thank you Mathew I've been boiling for almost 24 hours I've been trying to come up with a way to explain the the reasons why the elitist attitude has me so worked up and why it's so wrong. My dad owned a bar and grill in Duluth when I was in my teens and college. I stocked the beer coolers starting at 1:30 am after that I cleaned the bar until 4:00 am, 6 days per week (closed Sundays). We lived above the bar, I'd go to bed after 4, get up at 6, be to school at 7:30, get home at 4, do the rest of my home work, have a nap and start all over again. I didn't have much of a social life, my high school sweet heart was from a low income family and understood what it takes to survive, not live well, survive. I learned about the realities of life when my dad hired Lisa as a waitress, who was a single mom. This was her only source of income 6 nights per week. All she wanted to do was to provide for her daughter and herself, she worked very hard and made minimum wage + tips. Her parents wouldn't have anything to do with her or her "bastard" child. About 6 months later Lisa came in for her shift one afternoon, with her daughter of about 2 and a half years, she was in tears. She had no one to take care of her daughter, she didn't know what to do. What would the elitists do for this young single mother at that moment? I know what Kenny and Lois did. Kenny was a truck driver, Lois worked in the commercial laundry down the street. Kenny was raised by the Salvation Army, Lois's parents split up when she was young. They both had grown up poor, and met each other late in life. They were Tuesday and Friday night regulars, burgers, fries, onion rings, and a few beers. They had ordered their burgers but that didn't stop them. They took the baby home and cared for her. My dad had me drive the meal to Kenny and Lois's, Kenny and Lois did not pay for that meal. Both Kenny and Lois showed up at 1:30 am and drove Lisa home. For a while Kenny and Lois had a hard time paying for a beer when they came in. The other customers wouldn't let them, because of what they had done. Kenny and Lois sort of adopted Lisa and her daughter, they helped her get through some tough times. All the customers at the bar sort of adopted Lisa and her daughter at that point. I remember old Jim Spears, (long dead) He lived in a hotel down the street, he had nothing but social security to live on, but he gave her $20 at Christmas. Would the elitists have even considered doing any of this, I think not. BTW, Lisa was raped when she was 17, by 3 middle class high school foot ball players who all went on to college. So much for "she should have thought of the consequences before she had sex" argument. Sam. Matthew C. Dettinger wrote: >I grew up in a family that owned a restaurant. I waited tables most of my >life through high school, college, and during the evenings after my day >job for extra cash. I no longer wait tables in the evening. > >I have no desire to get into a pissing match about levels of income, and >what we do for a living. I believe that to be irrelevant. Except to say I >am bothered by your elitist attitude toward the working class of this >nation. > >The Guthrie lab was running a great play I saw a few weeks ago called >'Nickle and Dimed' I suggest looking into it for glimpse of the majority of >your/our society. --> >http://www.guthrietheater.org/act_I/show_page.cfm?id_show=18030455 > >I grew up watching single mothers wait tables, trying to make ends meet. >These are some of the people who do this job. They are young men and women >without daddy war bucks to pay their college, trying to start off in life >on the right foot. > >You are so brave on the tc-lug mail list. I want you to go to that single >mother waiting tables that didn't finish high school. From the top of your >great horse explain these same ideas to them. Tell them if they don't >like it they should leave. Just don't lean too far or you may fall. > >I don't want this to escalate to nuclear war, but because of my upbringing, >my experiences, I am very passionate about this subject. > >I guess I would like to reiterate my main point. If anyone feels that >tipping %15 is absurd, wrong, unjustified, too generous, and >unnecessary then don't eat at a service establishment. Eat at McDonald's. > > > >mcd > > > > > >On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Michael Jentges wrote: > > > >>And hence AUTHOR wrote: Matthew C. Dettinger >> >> >>>Servers have for many, many years worked for minimum wage + tip. Society >>> as a whole has generally accepted the notion that when you dine at a >>>service establishment you pay the house for the food, and tip the server >>> for their attention to your needs, ie. service. If an individual wants >>> >>> >>That's a bunch of hoo-haa. "Society?" >> >> >> >>>Like I said... society has generally accepted this concept, but as >>>always there is the fringe with a wild ideology that tries to explain >>>their cheapness away by saying, "I don't get it." >>> >>> >>Wild idealogy? Read my post again. No wonder the best you can do is an >>untipped waiter. >> >> >> >>>It is not too big a deal if someone does not leave a tip. Just realize >>>that the establishment, your friends, and anyone else who sees this >>>thinks of you as being cheap, and nothing more. Regardless of your >>>perception of the event. >>> >>> >>Finally, I never said I DIDN'T TIP. I said I don't understand the whole >>concept. >>Why in this and this industry only is it 'expected' the poor working stiff >>that feels extravagant on payday assist your employer in paying your >>salary? He's already been hit hard by uncle sam, for one thing.... >> >>If you don't like it, get another job. Perhaps be a checkout clerk >>somewhere. I think the salary runs about the same. Let me know how the >>tips are there and what happens when you call the customers derogatory >>names. >> >>-mj >> >> >> >>>mcd >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>--------------------- >>Jentges.NET, Inc. >>Voice: 763.783.3702 >>Cell: 763.370.1201 >>--------------------- >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Wed Sep 24 11:59:11 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tipping (was: something else) Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDBF5@mail.temgweb.com> Someone tip my roomie so he can pay me the money he owes me. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Dick [mailto:joel_cd@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:30 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Tipping (was: something else) > > > Interesting thoughts of course. I for one try to tip as much > as I think > the service was worth. Sometimes the problem is I get a server that > obviously doesn't care about what they're doing (no, these > are not servers > I have ever even come close to having contact with ever in > the past). It's > odd how often these people are at the places that (for your > "convenience") > tack on the tip to your bill automagically. That being the > case, I try to > avoid restaurants that do this like the plague. > > Yes, I know servers tend to rely on tips to make a decent > living, and I'm > fine with tipping if indeed the service is worth it. However, > I don't like > the idea that tipping is a means of insuring you don't get > intentionally > terrible service like someone spitting in your food or drink. > That to me > borders on extortion, or at the very least, giving the bully at school > your lunch money for fear of getting beat up. > > The only reason I would tip if I received poor service is if > it looks like > my server has been having a rough day. But if they blatantly, > and for no > good reason, give me poor service, the lack of a tip should > tell them they > need to be doing a better job, not to spit in my food the > next time they > see me. Otherwise, a tip is just an expectation, and if so, > just added to > the bill, forget about the service. > > Do I install a virus on a client's computer if I got treated poorly or > didn't feel they paid me enough the last time I worked for them? No. > > Sorry about the ranting, just tipping sometimes gets to me, > and how some > servers thingk they deserve a good tip, even if they're > slapping you in > the face. > > Best Regards, > Joel > > --- Dave Sherman wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I haven't really been following the thread too closely, but > I noticed > > that few of you (of those messages which I read, and of those who > > actually chose to talk about it) have ever actually worked > in the food > > service biz. > > > > Well, I worked as a waiter for 10 years during and after > college. The > > restaurants don't matter, although they were here in the > cities. I want > > to bring up one really interesting point: lousy tippers are > remembered > > by waiters and waitresses. Not only that, but they warn > each other if > > one person knows something that the others haven't heard > about yet. Not > > only that, but groups are remembered even more than individuals. > > > > The situation of a group that tips poorly (regardless of some > > individuals being generous and others being cheap) will rapidly > > degenerate, because a server thinks, "Why should I bother > giving them > > good service if they're just going to stiff me anyway?" > Meanwhile, the > > cheapskates are pointing at the sub-par service to justify > their already > > > > low or non-existent tipping (even though it is likely that their > > cheapness is what inspired the poor service in the first > place). Those > > sitting on the fence, as it were, may very well be swayed by the > > cheapskates' argument, and lower their tip as well, further > adding to > > the degeneration of service. And those who tip 15% minimum, > more for > > better service, and less for poor service, end up getting > poor service > > even though they are perfectly willing to tip well for good service. > > > > Now let's throw another variable into this mess. What if you get a > > not-so-ethical server who already knows about a group or > individual? > > That person has no problem spitting in your drinks or food, > or dropping > > food on the floor and then just picking it up and serving > it to you. > > I've seen it done, and it happens a lot more to the > cheapskates than the > > > > generous folk. So from a purely selfish and pragmatic point > of view, it > > makes sense to tip well, in order to motivate your server > to give you > > not only good service, but clean food and drink. > > > > If I ever actually went to a beer meeting, I would do like > I've done at > > other group meetings: I personally hand the server my cash > tip, so he or > > > > she knows that *I* am generous, even if the rest of the > group isn't. > > And, in order to really make a distinction between myself > and the rest > > of the group, I usually give a 25-30% tip -- that covers at least a > > little bit of what is lost from those who don't tip or tip > poorly, and > > further cements the memory of my generosity in the waiter's > mind. The > > server will remember me in the future, and tell his > associates to give > > me good service even if they ignore the rest of the group. > > > > Just my three cents. I'll not saying anything more on this topic. > > -- > > Dave Sherman - MCSE, MCSA, CCNA > > > > Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, > > for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Sep 24 12:15:03 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total system breakage In-Reply-To: <1064358464.3918.50.camel@bigtime> References: <1064358464.3918.50.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <20030924171503.GD9346@fandre.com> Start up sshd on a different port in debug mode. Then ssh to that port and see what the server debug displays. Maybe that will give you a clue. I run a few testing boxes and haven't had any problems. Although I haven't upgraded in a few days either. I'll give it a try and let you know if I experience the same problem. On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Okay, last night two of my boxes, both running debian testing went down > in an interesting manner. They've stopped authenticating remotely. I can > log in on console, but I can't ssh nor FTP in. (Running proftp) Email > seems to work though, one's running wu-imap and the other courier-imap. > > The only thing significant I've done is doing an apt-get update > yesterday on one, and a few days ago on another. Trying to update it now > doesn't find anything new. > > Am I the only one getting this? It would seem to point at PAM, I'm not > getting anything in the logs, nor is sshd -ddd telling me anything's > wrong. It just hangs. Probably a package broke in testing, but I'm > concerned I got nailed by some worm. ;P > > Its a pain in the ass to work on because I have to stand around in the > living room for one box, and the other is 100 miles away. :P I'll have > to try reverting packages to woody versions by hand or something. > > This is what I get with -vvv, though after a while it seems to start > just refusing connections, though sshd hasn't crashed or complained > about anything. > > $ ssh -vvv marvin > OpenSSH_3.5p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090701f > debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config > debug1: Applying options for * > debug1: Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be > trusted. > debug1: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 > debug1: Connecting to marvin [192.168.0.1] port 22. > debug1: Connection established. > debug1: identity file /home/seg/.ssh/identity type -1 > debug1: identity file /home/seg/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 > debug1: identity file /home/seg/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 > debug1: Remote protocol version 1.99, remote software version > OpenSSH_3.6.1p2 Debian 1:3.6.1p2-3 > debug1: match: OpenSSH_3.6.1p2 Debian 1:3.6.1p2-3 pat OpenSSH* > debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 > debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.5p1 > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 > debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 > debug2: mac_init: found hmac-md5 > debug1: kex: server->client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none > debug2: mac_init: found hmac-md5 > debug1: kex: client->server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST sent > debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP > debug1: dh_gen_key: priv key bits set: 129/256 > debug1: bits set: 1618/3191 > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent > debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY > debug3: check_host_in_hostfile: filename /home/seg/.ssh/known_hosts > debug3: check_host_in_hostfile: match line 1 > debug3: check_host_in_hostfile: filename /home/seg/.ssh/known_hosts > debug3: check_host_in_hostfile: match line 1 > debug1: Host 'marvin' is known and matches the RSA host key. > debug1: Found key in /home/seg/.ssh/known_hosts:1 > debug1: bits set: 1629/3191 > debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct > debug1: kex_derive_keys > debug1: newkeys: mode 1 > debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent > debug1: waiting for SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS > debug1: newkeys: mode 0 > debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received > debug1: done: ssh_kex2. > debug1: send SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST > debug1: service_accept: ssh-userauth > debug1: got SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT > > It just hangs forever here. -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Sep 24 12:27:14 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F71D3F2.10908@visi.com> Lets see, your boss (your customer) comes to your desk and says "we're only paying you minimum wage for this week because you did a horse sh!t job this week" What do you do, if you argue, your out the door? This goes on for a month then 2 then 6, your creditors are at the door what do you do? Sam. Troy.A Johnson wrote: >One: Cheapskates suck! >Two: I don't understand the custom > of tipping. > >Enough already! > >For those who don't know, the custom >of tipping puts the customer in the drivers >seat. _They_ decide if the service they >get is deserving of a tip, and they decide >_after_ the service is done. Excellent >service can be rewarded, and poor service >discouraged. If the customer wishes to >discourage excellent service, or reward >poor service, that is _their_ call. > >A 15% tip is the standard for good service >in the food service industry. It is customary >for a customer to pay this gratuity for >good service. There are places that do not >give the customer this opportunity to >punish or reward their server based on the >servers performance. Some places only >give this opportunity to smaller parties. > >None of this is great news for servers, but >they _can_ try to get another job if they >don't like it, as could anyone. I might feel >sorry for the high school dropout single >mother, but it would be counterproductive >to encourage her to provide poor service. > > > >>>>matthew@redroot.org 09/24/03 09:23AM >>> >>>> >>>> >You are so brave on the tc-lug mail list. I want you to go to that single > >mother waiting tables that didn't finish high school. From the top of >your >great horse explain these same ideas to them. Tell them if they don't >like it they should leave. Just don't lean too far or you may fall. > > >>Finally, I never said I DIDN'T TIP. I said I don't understand the whole >>concept. >>If you don't like it, get another job. >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Sep 24 13:06:48 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues Message-ID: So, where did I go wrong, that you would wish this on me? Is my demand for good service from servers too callous and cruel? I actually do have demands placed on me at work, and I do my very best to fulfill them. Otherwise the scenario you laid out may indeed unfold... I am certainly not opposed to helping someone in need. I have in the past and I will in the future. But I'd call that charity, not tipping. I am wondering what the focus of all this animosity is aimed at. Is it people who don't understand the custom of tipping? Is it people who question the sanctity of the tipping custom? What is the source of the problem here? BTW, I am usually a generous tipper, because I usually get better service (which may be because I just don't go back to places where service is bad). And I think that's how it's supposed to work. Am I wrong here? >>> smac@visi.com 09/24/03 12:27PM >>> Lets see, your boss (your customer) comes to your desk and says "we're only paying you minimum wage for this week because you did a horse sh!t job this week" What do you do, if you argue, your out the door? This goes on for a month then 2 then 6, your creditors are at the door what do you do? Troy.A Johnson wrote: >One: Cheapskates suck! >Two: I don't understand the custom > of tipping. >Enough already! >For those who don't know, the custom >of tipping puts the customer in the drivers >seat. _They_ decide if the service they >get is deserving of a tip, and they decide >_after_ the service is done. Excellent >service can be rewarded, and poor service >discouraged. If the customer wishes to >discourage excellent service, or reward >poor service, that is _their_ call. >A 15% tip is the standard for good service >in the food service industry. It is customary >for a customer to pay this gratuity for >good service. There are places that do not >give the customer this opportunity to >punish or reward their server based on the >servers performance. Some places only >give this opportunity to smaller parties. >None of this is great news for servers, but >they _can_ try to get another job if they >don't like it, as could anyone. I might feel >sorry for the high school dropout single >mother, but it would be counterproductive >to encourage her to provide poor service. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Sep 24 13:14:49 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <3F71D3F2.10908@visi.com> Message-ID: Everyone has lost the point by now. It's not about tip vs no tip. I don't care about minimum wage...etc. This is about (or should be) about Laurie, Munir, Jima, other "beer admins," other people who stay until the check is paid, and FUN! In my book, whoever didn't pay their full share (in this case, including tip) is stealing money from the pockets of really good people. It's not for you to decide not to tip if your food and drink is on the groups tab and the group has decided to leave a tip. If you're on the group tab, you're responsible for your food, drink, and 15% tip. If you don't agree with the "tipping policy" of the "group a large," get your own tab or don't come. This is supposed to be fun, and this thread is without question ruining the fun. If to protect our pocket books, the group has to issue an official set of rules, we might as well scrap the beer meetings all together and make the events invite only. I don't think anybody wants that as it would in the end, leave out people we'd like to meet. That said, it's over and done with now. I suggest buying Laurie, Munir, Jima, and possibly others a beer at the next meeting. Remember, it's about fun, beer, and getting to know one another. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Wed Sep 24 13:26:22 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F71E1CE.9090602@druswanderings.net> This thread has gotten incredibly off-topic. If you wish to continue debating the merits/custom of tipping, please do so off-list. If you go to beer meetings, when you pay, make sure you look at the line items for tax and gratuity and pay the appropriate portion in addition to the cost of your food. If you don't agree with this, then kindly refrain from coming to beer meetings. There really doesn't need to be any more said about it. $Anything_else_from_this_thread > /dev/null -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Sep 24 13:28:45 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Beermeeting issues Message-ID: Agreed. Thread over. >>> zibby+tclug@ringworld.org 09/24/03 01:14PM >>> Everyone has lost the point by now. It's not about tip vs no tip. I don't care about minimum wage...etc. This is about (or should be) about Laurie, Munir, Jima, other "beer admins," other people who stay until the check is paid, and FUN! In my book, whoever didn't pay their full share (in this case, including tip) is stealing money from the pockets of really good people. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Sep 24 13:39:45 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <20030923153950.03fa9639.william.layer@comcast.net> References: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> <20030923104414.63918251.william.layer@comcast.net> <20030923192949.GE17348@fandre.com> <20030923153950.03fa9639.william.layer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20030924183945.GF9346@fandre.com> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Bill Layer wrote: > Sounds like you make a good case for forking the list to tclug-list and tclug-beginner. > We've been down this road before. I don't think forking the tclug-list in an option. Why? The most benefit for the "beginners" comes from having experienced users on the list. If there are only beginners on the beginners list, who is there to answer their questions? And beginners can learn a lot from just reading other posts. It might be over their heads at first, but after they become more in tune with Linux it starts to make sense and they will remember things they've read in previous threads. Plus, the tclug-list wouldn't have anyone asking questions since all the experienced users think they know it all. This would result in the tclug-list turning into the tclug-lets-whine-about-if-we-should-tip-or-not-list. -- Clay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Wed Sep 24 13:49:26 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <3F71D3F2.10908@visi.com> References: <3F71D3F2.10908@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030924134926.1e3fde52.william.layer@comcast.net> This thread was begun as a statement to illustrate and protest the behaviour and action of certain unnamed (and franky, unknown) LUG members, with respect to covering their dues at LUG beermeeting events. Rather than issuing comments to support your friends & colleagues in the LUG, who may have sustained some financial loss, you have devoted your energies to creating a flamewar of infantile proportions, over the social convention of tipping servers. Why might you take this occasion of our loss, as an opportunity to beat your several chests, over an issue that is obviously both insoluble, and incendiary? Soapboxes gathering too much dust? If you'd like to get on-topic, and yet still thoroughly miss the point, why not open a debate on the potential merits of sliently screwing over your friends & associates behind their backs. I'd like to see the contrasting colors there displayed on that subject. Get it? L _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Wed Sep 24 14:22:04 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PARTY REMINDER (Let's all have fun again) Message-ID: <20030924142204.497a0f5b.william.layer@comcast.net> With the 'Beermeeting Issues' thread now only a painful memory, here is a reminder about the party we have scheduled: When: Friday, September 26th - 8:00pm to whenever Where: Legendre's, naturally.. 506 Edmund Ave. St. Paul 55103 Who: TCLUG members & friends in high spirits! Minor children welcome until 10:00pm or so, but be advised - the house & property are not child-proof by any means. What: Music, video, snacks, booze, stupidity. Bring any of the above to share, if you can. Contact: legendre@nerp.net for any questions; RSVP is *not* required. Be there, or be rhomboid. -L _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Wed Sep 24 14:49:24 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <20030924183945.GF9346@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 01:39:45PM -0500 References: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> <20030923104414.63918251.william.layer@comcast.net> <20030923192949.GE17348@fandre.com> <20030923153950.03fa9639.william.layer@comcast.net> <20030924183945.GF9346@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030924144924.A22206@thinkunix.net> I 2nd Clay's decision to keep the list together. Everyone has varying levels of experience and keeping everyone on one list allows sharing of that knowledge. Clay Fandre wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Bill Layer wrote: > > > Sounds like you make a good case for forking the list to tclug-list and tclug-beginner. > > > > We've been down this road before. I don't think forking the tclug-list > in an option. Why? The most benefit for the "beginners" comes from > having experienced users on the list. If there are only beginners on > the beginners list, who is there to answer their questions? > > And beginners can learn a lot from just reading other posts. It > might be over their heads at first, but after they become more in tune > with Linux it starts to make sense and they will remember things > they've read in previous threads. > > Plus, the tclug-list wouldn't have anyone asking questions since all > the experienced users think they know it all. This would result in the > tclug-list turning into the > tclug-lets-whine-about-if-we-should-tip-or-not-list. > > -- Clay -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pjcrump at bitstream.net Wed Sep 24 14:53:43 2003 From: pjcrump at bitstream.net (pjcrump@bitstream.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tape Drive Choice? Message-ID: <1064433223.3f71f6473fd62@mail.bitstream.net> I have a friend of mine who has a choice of 2 different tape drives to use for backups w/ linux (RH Server), he has either a LT 20/40 drive or an LTO 100/200 drive. The question is which one should he use (and why). Also, any suggestions for OpenSrc backup utils? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Wed Sep 24 14:58:55 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <20030924183945.GF9346@fandre.com> References: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> <20030923104414.63918251.william.layer@comcast.net> <20030923192949.GE17348@fandre.com> <20030923153950.03fa9639.william.layer@comcast.net> <20030924183945.GF9346@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030924145855.0afc85f4.william.layer@comcast.net> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:39:45 -0500 Clay Fandre wrote: > On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Bill Layer wrote: > > > Sounds like you make a good case for forking the list to tclug-list and tclug-beginner. > > > > We've been down this road before. I don't think forking the tclug-list > in an option. Why? The most benefit for the "beginners" comes from > having experienced users on the list. If there are only beginners on > the beginners list, who is there to answer their questions? Yeah... yeah... yeah... well, what if the experienced users are just a bunch of grumpy, surly, crusty, cantankerous old bastards* that nobody wants to hear from anyway ;-) This message may contain sarcasm. w00t! L (* A group from which I am, by no means, excluding myself) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Wed Sep 24 17:19:23 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tape Drive Choice? In-Reply-To: <1064433223.3f71f6473fd62@mail.bitstream.net>; from pjcrump@bitstream.net on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 02:53:43PM -0500 References: <1064433223.3f71f6473fd62@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: <20030924171923.A30607@thinkunix.net> pjcrump@bitstream.net wrote: > I have a friend of mine who has a choice of 2 different tape drives to use for > backups w/ linux (RH Server), he has either a LT 20/40 drive or an > LTO 100/200 drive. The question is which one should he use (and why). > Also, any suggestions for OpenSrc backup utils? can't comment on the drive choice but as far as backup software I prefer tar and dump. They're simple and they just work. I have a home brew script that I run that calls dump(8) to dump filesystems to disk over and NFS mount. Then once/wk I tar the /backup directory out to a DDS-2 tape. I'm only backing up a couple systems at home but this works for me and is simple to administer. I've used Amanda for a past employer. It works but is very complicated to setup. It has some advantages that it will try to stream to tapes and maximize space on each tape, etc, but there's a downside: Server A just crash, which backup tape has the last full backup from which I can restore the entire system quickly? With Amanda, (at least in the setup we had, where it maximized tape space), the various filesystems from Server A where put on many tapes and at many different places on those tapes, depending on what day each filesystem was backed up. To me, this would be an administrative nightmare if I ever had to do a complete restore of a system. that's my $0.02. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Sep 24 20:48:10 2003 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Recent Beermeeting issues In-Reply-To: <3F70FDC0.B6B5A6C0@ppdonline.com> References: <3F70FDC0.B6B5A6C0@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <1064454490.3918.1650.camel@bigtime> > 1. If tipping, due to social construct or whatever, is considered > mandatory then put it on the receipt (as is commonly done with large > groups). If you are not charged for it then it truly is optional. Just > because _you_ tip well doesn't mean the next guy has to. I believe one of the points made was, with a large group of people, most places have a policy of putting a %15 tip on the bill, no if's and's or but's. The sign is by the door when you walk in. In this case, NO, TIPPING IS NOT OPTIONAL. > 2. Servers are not slaves, they ALWAYS have the option to quit. And go where? In to IT? > 3. Server's in MN make at least minimum wage or better (in a lot of > cases better), we are not a "tip credit" state where the employer can > reduce salaries due to expected tip income. > 5. Corporation bashing is getting really old, learn a new tune. > Corporations are not evil monsters that do of their own volition, they > are people just like you and me. A corporation is a group a > stockholders able to vote in leadership who in turn controls the > direction of the business. If you are unhappy with a corporations > actions and are a stockholder, vote. If you are a customer, go > elsewhere for goods and services. If you are an employee, quit (see > number two). Corporations are not omnipotent entities, get over it. You poor, naive person. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030924/5772e4e5/attachment.pgp From seg at haxxed.com Wed Sep 24 20:56:14 2003 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] in flight Linux! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064454974.3918.1665.camel@bigtime> > each seat has a 386 under it and a 486 per each seat row (486 "watches" > the 386s in it's row) If this is true, I wonder why they chose x86 over ARM, SH4 etc. Seems like they'd be far more suitable. And if this is the case, how do they get a 386 to play video? What did the resolution look like? You could possibly pump uncompressed video out of the servers, but at the cost of needing more network bandwidth... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030924/a9842759/attachment.pgp From seg at haxxed.com Wed Sep 24 20:59:49 2003 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total system breakage In-Reply-To: <20030924171503.GD9346@fandre.com> References: <1064358464.3918.50.camel@bigtime> <20030924171503.GD9346@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1064455188.3918.1675.camel@bigtime> > Start up sshd on a different port in debug mode. Then ssh to that port > and see what the server debug displays. Maybe that will give you a > clue. Eh tried that already, didn't indicate any recognizable errors. Just seems to hang. This is freaking me out, man. ;P -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030924/2f471b61/attachment.pgp From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Sep 24 21:05:02 2003 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tape Drive Choice? In-Reply-To: <20030924171923.A30607@thinkunix.net> References: <1064433223.3f71f6473fd62@mail.bitstream.net> <20030924171923.A30607@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <16242.19790.801420.699679@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Arkeia is a rather nice backup program. It's not nearly as complicated as amanda and allows one to do multiple writes on the same tape, which I like. >>>>> "SJ" == Scot Jenkins writes: SJ> pjcrump@bitstream.net wrote: >> I have a friend of mine who has a choice of 2 different tape drives to use for >> backups w/ linux (RH Server), he has either a LT 20/40 drive or an >> LTO 100/200 drive. The question is which one should he use (and why). >> Also, any suggestions for OpenSrc backup utils? SJ> can't comment on the drive choice but as far as backup software I prefer SJ> tar and dump. They're simple and they just work. I have a home brew SJ> script that I run that calls dump(8) to dump filesystems to disk over SJ> and NFS mount. Then once/wk I tar the /backup directory out to a DDS-2 SJ> tape. I'm only backing up a couple systems at home but this works for SJ> me and is simple to administer. SJ> I've used Amanda for a past employer. It works but is very complicated SJ> to setup. It has some advantages that it will try to stream to tapes SJ> and maximize space on each tape, etc, but there's a downside: SJ> Server A just crash, which backup tape has the last full backup from SJ> which I can restore the entire system quickly? With Amanda, (at least SJ> in the setup we had, where it maximized tape space), the various SJ> filesystems from Server A where put on many tapes and at many different SJ> places on those tapes, depending on what day each filesystem was backed SJ> up. To me, this would be an administrative nightmare if I ever had to SJ> do a complete restore of a system. SJ> that's my $0.02. SJ> -- SJ> scot SJ> _______________________________________________ SJ> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota SJ> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org SJ> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Sep 24 23:04:32 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <20030924145855.0afc85f4.william.layer@comcast.net> References: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> <20030923104414.63918251.william.layer@comcast.net> <20030923192949.GE17348@fandre.com> <20030923153950.03fa9639.william.layer@comcast.net> <20030924183945.GF9346@fandre.com> <20030924145855.0afc85f4.william.layer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F726950.9020409@visi.com> I have to admit it, when I get a Windows question I can get a little snarly. Especially if it's family, it just gets me in the gut. But I've been working on getting my Debian laptop, terminal only, to print to my printer on my W2K box. I didn't know about these ".config" files. It still isn't printing but I'm not getting errors or locks any more after setting up a ".config" file. I usually beat something to death before I ask a question, and once I get something working I document the hell out of it. Sam. Bill Layer wrote: >On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:39:45 -0500 >Clay Fandre wrote: > > > >>On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Bill Layer wrote: >> >> >> >>>Sounds like you make a good case for forking the list to tclug-list and tclug-beginner. >>> >>> >>> >>We've been down this road before. I don't think forking the tclug-list >>in an option. Why? The most benefit for the "beginners" comes from >>having experienced users on the list. If there are only beginners on >>the beginners list, who is there to answer their questions? >> >> > >Yeah... yeah... yeah... well, what if the experienced users are just a bunch of grumpy, surly, crusty, cantankerous old bastards* that nobody wants to hear from anyway ;-) > >This message may contain sarcasm. w00t! > >L > >(* A group from which I am, by no means, excluding myself) > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Sep 24 23:38:53 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Printing Message-ID: <3F72715D.6020405@visi.com> I got it working, woohoo I'm an idiot. I broke down and installed Samba and used the "smbclient". It's sort of a cluge but it works. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Thu Sep 25 00:08:28 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bitstream Vera fonts Message-ID: <200309250008.28863.wilson@visi.com> Hey everyone, If you haven't yet, you should check out the Bitstream Vera fonts available at http://www.gnome.org/fonts/ I just installed them on my SuSE 8.2 system running KDE. They really look great! (In case you haven't heard, Bitstream decided to build a high-quality set of fonts and release them with an open source license to the community. Very cool.) -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Sep 25 00:17:41 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Somewhat OT] Prevalence Anyone? Message-ID: <20030925001741.0000525b.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> Sorry for the cross-post... I saw this on /. this morning: http://www.prevayler.org/ Claiming to be 1000's of times faster than MySQL. (I suppose, when you store the data in RAM). Has anyone actually used this? I teach a DBMS course so I was curious if anyone had experience or if it's a pipedream... It might actually be interesting if it had an SQL implementation. Thx, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sjs at visi.com Thu Sep 25 00:57:14 2003 From: sjs at visi.com (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total system breakage In-Reply-To: <1064455188.3918.1675.camel@bigtime> References: <1064358464.3918.50.camel@bigtime> <20030924171503.GD9346@fandre.com> <1064455188.3918.1675.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <3F7283BA.1090304@visi.com> Callum Lerwick wrote: >>Start up sshd on a different port in debug mode. Then ssh to that port >>and see what the server debug displays. Maybe that will give you a >>clue. > > > Eh tried that already, didn't indicate any recognizable errors. Just > seems to hang. > > This is freaking me out, man. ;P Does the login name you're using have an expired password? SSH is notorious for not telling you your password is expired... I know you said you tested it at console but I just wanted to verify you were *loggin in* to test it... Spencer J Sinn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cxobert at goldengate.net Thu Sep 25 06:03:16 2003 From: cxobert at goldengate.net (Charlie Obert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Recent Beermeeting Issues In-Reply-To: <20030925030100.18279.49326.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030925030100.18279.49326.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F72CB74.6050000@goldengate.net> Please pardon me for shifting this thread discussion a bit, but it seems to me we are missing a main point here. Whether you like the tipping system or not, the plain truth is that if some people choose to pay too little, whether deliberately or from miscalculation, other members of our group have to pick up the difference. I think that was the main point of the posting that started this whole thing. We need to keep that point in mind, fairness to other members of the group. -- Cheers, Charlie Obert Never mind women in sports - how about men in knitting and belly dance? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Thu Sep 25 08:29:30 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WRT54G Routing? Message-ID: <1064496570.b2b0aa00kcbnac@myrealbox.com> First, I"ll explain what I'm trying to do: My high school (where I now work) has a drafting lab, 30 PCs. I need to route them, and keep their traffic behind it, so the rest of network (great # of hubs, and routers aren't config'd for filtering that I know of) Can I use the Linux based side of the WRT54G and add some routing capabilities? I will have 4 switches plugged into the 4 LAN ports, with the Internet port going to the building network. I need to be able to filter/route IP and IPX traffic between the four LAN ports. Is it possible? Either with the built-in software, or else with some add-on Linux based programs? If so, is anyone availible who I could get together with and have some help in getting it working the first time? Also, is there a way I could push the Linux install from a Windows box? (I know the site said Linux and MacOS had been used successfully) as I don't have Linux running on any machines here (Will on my laptop shortly again, for 'Unix-based Systems' next month) Thanks much for the help! PS-can't wait til the next installfest :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Thu Sep 25 08:53:32 2003 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compiling mcrypt, then PHP - beginner Message-ID: Hello all, I want to use mcrypt with php. I am able to compile and install mcrypt. I read in a PDF by rasmus that one can compile php with-mcrypt and get a mcrypt.so that one can include at the top of a php page: dl('mcrypt.so'); and then I'll have access to the php's built-in mcrypt functions. I am trying to figure out how to get the mcrypt.so file. If I have to, I can make system calls to the mcrypt binary directly from php, but I am trying to avoid that at all costs. I also want to avoid screwing up our live server's php. I do not know a ton about how the ./configure/make/make install systems works. How can I just compile php so that I can get my hands on the mcrypt.so? Do I just ./configure --with-mcrypt and then make but not make install? Where will the .so files be at that point? Any help is appreciated. TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Sep 25 09:05:58 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] in flight Linux! In-Reply-To: <1064454974.3918.1665.camel@bigtime> References: <1064454974.3918.1665.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:56:14 -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: >> each seat has a 386 under it and a 486 per each seat row (486 "watches" >> the 386s in it's row) > > If this is true, I wonder why they chose x86 over ARM, SH4 etc. Seems > like they'd be far more suitable. > > And if this is the case, how do they get a 386 to play video? What did > the resolution look like? You could possibly pump uncompressed video out I asked the same thing - he was confused - said that the chair computer didn't have to do any uncompression - "it comes from the array".. The resolutoin was just fine. Guess they have bandwidth galore.... > of the servers, but at the cost of needing more network bandwidth... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com Thu Sep 25 09:34:12 2003 From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tape Drive Choice? In-Reply-To: <1064433223.3f71f6473fd62@mail.bitstream.net> References: <1064433223.3f71f6473fd62@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: <20030925143411.GC3263@mnsdev3> On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 02:53:43PM -0500, pjcrump@bitstream.net wrote: > I have a friend of mine who has a choice of 2 different tape drives to use for > backups w/ linux (RH Server), he has either a LT 20/40 drive or an > LTO 100/200 drive. The question is which one should he use (and why). > Also, any suggestions for OpenSrc backup utils? My suggestion would be to get the O'Reilly book "Unix Backup and Recovery" and then determine his needs. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 25 09:38:27 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free training opportunity Message-ID: <20030925143827.GE764@fandre.com> Greetings fellow TCLUGers, Novell has offered the TCLUG an opportunity to attend two Novell/Linux classes free of charge. There are 15 seats available for an introduction to "Why is Novell into Linux. Why HP,IBM and Dell say Novell is the best thing for Linux" On Monday the 29th from 1:00 PM till 5 PM find out with hands on why Novell is into Linux. On Tuesday the 30 from 8:00 am till 11:00 get an understanding of Ximian Desktop and the management of services delivered. This will be held at the 8500 Normandale Lake Tower in Bloomington. Please write a one paragraph message why you would like to attend and you will be in the running for one of the 15 seats. This would normally cost $500 to attend. Since there isn't much time left, please try to get back to me ASAP. Please send submissions to clay@fandre.com. -- Clay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Sep 25 09:47:55 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] in flight Linux! In-Reply-To: References: <1064454974.3918.1665.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <3F73001B.1070402@visi.com> I would venture a guess they are using fiber. Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:56:14 -0500, Callum Lerwick > wrote: > >>> each seat has a 386 under it and a 486 per each seat row (486 "watches" >>> the 386s in it's row) >> >> >> If this is true, I wonder why they chose x86 over ARM, SH4 etc. Seems >> like they'd be far more suitable. >> >> And if this is the case, how do they get a 386 to play video? What did >> the resolution look like? You could possibly pump uncompressed video out > > I asked the same thing - he was confused - said that the chair > computer didn't > have to do any uncompression - "it comes from the array".. The > resolutoin was just > fine. Guess they have bandwidth galore.... > >> of the servers, but at the cost of needing more network bandwidth... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 25 09:45:43 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenPKG Message-ID: <20030925144543.GH764@fandre.com> Anyone using OpenPKG? Pros, cons? http://www.openpkg.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Sep 25 09:56:55 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free training opportunity In-Reply-To: <20030925143827.GE764@fandre.com> References: <20030925143827.GE764@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3F730237.4060804@visi.com> I'm in if a spot is available! Sam. Clay Fandre wrote: >Greetings fellow TCLUGers, >Novell has offered the TCLUG an opportunity to attend two >Novell/Linux classes free of charge. There are 15 seats available for >an introduction to "Why is Novell into Linux. Why HP,IBM and Dell say >Novell is the best thing for Linux" On Monday the 29th from 1:00 PM >till 5 PM find out with hands on why Novell is into Linux. On Tuesday >the 30 from 8:00 am till 11:00 get an understanding of Ximian Desktop >and the management of services delivered. This will be held at the >8500 Normandale Lake Tower in Bloomington. Please write a one >paragraph message why you would like to attend and you will be in the >running for one of the 15 seats. This would normally cost $500 to >attend. > >Since there isn't much time left, please try to get back to me ASAP. > >Please send submissions to clay@fandre.com. > >-- Clay > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Sep 25 09:59:35 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search Message-ID: I apologize for posting OT (again), but I'm hoping someone on the list can help me. Someone ran into my 3 month old 2003 Chev S-10 on Friday. I got his information, but there's a problem with his insurance (he probably isn't current on his bill), so they aren't going to cover it. I've got about $900 in damages. The home phone he gave me is disconnected, and he gave me St. Jude's main number as his work phone, and they've never heard of him (my own fault for not calling both numbers on the spot). Anyways, I did read his plates off of his vehicle, so I'm pretty sure at least those are correct. I need to get at least a name and address from these plates. I've been googling, but all of the sites I'm finding look pretty shady ("find out anything about anyone" type shady). Does anyone know of a quick and easy way to get this kind of information? Free is good, but I don't mind paying a small fee if anyone can recommend somewhere that I won't get (more) screwed. I'm waiting on the Louisiana DMV to open so I can ask what their procedure is, and I'm waiting on his insurance company to call me back and see if I can get anything out of them. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Sep 25 10:00:00 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Somewhat OT] Prevalence Anyone? References: <20030925001741.0000525b.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <003501c38375$b16b5700$0201a8c0@brinstar> Josh Trutwin writes: > Claiming to be 1000's of times faster than MySQL. (I suppose, when > you store the data in RAM). That is comparing apples and oranges. Anything is going to be faster when you eliminate the SQL overhead and design it to be completely in RAM. The tests are bogus because they don't provide enough information to duplicate them. The second test shows Prevayler using almost 500mb of RAM and MySQL only getting 50mb. At only 28 queries per second, they probably did something very stupid, like not indexing the table. You should be able to do at least 2000 queries per second on an indexed column from a table with a million rows. > It might actually be interesting if it had an SQL implementation. If you want a fast, embedded, public domain SQL database library, look at SQLite. It rocks: http://www.hwaci.com/sw/sqlite/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Sep 25 10:01:47 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free training opportunity In-Reply-To: <20030925143827.GE764@fandre.com> References: <20030925143827.GE764@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030925100147.7d31042c.list@slushpupie.com> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:38:27 -0500 Clay Fandre wrote: >Greetings fellow TCLUGers, >Novell has offered the TCLUG an opportunity to attend two >Novell/Linux classes free of charge. There are 15 seats available for >an introduction to "Why is Novell into Linux. Why HP,IBM and Dell say >Novell is the best thing for Linux" On Monday the 29th from 1:00 PM >till 5 PM find out with hands on why Novell is into Linux. On Tuesday >the 30 from 8:00 am till 11:00 get an understanding of Ximian Desktop >and the management of services delivered. This will be held at the >8500 Normandale Lake Tower in Bloomington. Please write a one >paragraph message why you would like to attend and you will be in the >running for one of the 15 seats. This would normally cost $500 to >attend. Maybe those who can attend could write up a summary or something for list/web page? I am interested in hearing what they have to say, but cant make it to the class. Im sure there are others in the same situation. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 25 10:03:04 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030925150304.GL764@fandre.com> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > > Does anyone know of a quick and easy way to get this kind of information? > Free is good, but I don't mind paying a small fee if anyone can recommend > somewhere that I won't get (more) screwed. > Know anyone who's a cop? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 25 10:04:50 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free training opportunity In-Reply-To: <20030925100147.7d31042c.list@slushpupie.com> References: <20030925143827.GE764@fandre.com> <20030925100147.7d31042c.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20030925150450.GM764@fandre.com> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Jay Kline wrote: > Maybe those who can attend could write up a summary or something for list/web > page? I am interested in hearing what they have to say, but cant make it to > the class. Im sure there are others in the same situation. > That's already being taken care of. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Sep 25 10:09:08 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > The home phone he gave me is disconnected, and he gave me St. Jude's main > number as his work phone, and they've never heard of him (my own fault for > not calling both numbers on the spot). > > Anyways, I did read his plates off of his vehicle, so I'm pretty sure at > least those are correct. I need to get at least a name and address from > these plates. I've been googling, but all of the sites I'm finding look > pretty shady ("find out anything about anyone" type shady). > > Does anyone know of a quick and easy way to get this kind of information? > Free is good, but I don't mind paying a small fee if anyone can recommend > somewhere that I won't get (more) screwed. > > I'm waiting on the Louisiana DMV to open so I can ask what their procedure > is, and I'm waiting on his insurance company to call me back and see if I > can get anything out of them. so after the accident you did not call the police to report it? and immediately afterwards you did not call your insurance company? why not? Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Sep 25 10:11:39 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WRT54G Routing? References: <1064496570.b2b0aa00kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <003e01c38377$51c9ea80$0201a8c0@brinstar> K B writes: > Can I use the Linux based side of the WRT54G and add some routing > capabilities? I will have 4 switches plugged into the 4 LAN ports, > with the Internet port going to the building network. I need to be > able to filter/route IP and IPX traffic between the four LAN ports. > Is it possible? Either with the built-in software, or else with some > add-on Linux based programs? You need to be more specific than "filter/route". More than likely, the four switch ports on the WRT54G are merely switch ports. It would be the same as if you plugged everything into a single large switch. Obviously, this won't provide you with any way to filter between ports, but you won't be able to do that anyway without some very expensive equipment. If you need more filtering than standard NAT provides between the computers and the rest of the network, then you will probably want to build a custom router running Linux or BSD. If you need bandwidth management, I would look at FreeBSD, as dummynet is far easier to setup than anything I've seen for Linux. tc is horribly complicated. > If so, is anyone availible who I could get together with and have some help in getting > it working the first time? Feel free to email me if you need help. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Sep 25 10:20:04 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free training opportunity In-Reply-To: <20030925143827.GE764@fandre.com> References: <20030925143827.GE764@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3F7307A4.7030106@visi.com> In my previous eMail I wanted to be sure you knew I was interested. I'm presently learning Linux to increase my marketability as a System Administrator. I'm currently unemployed, having a hands on training in Linux would help me achieve my goal of a new job. Many Windows System Administrator positions in the industry are now asking for or requiring knowledge of Linux. Many companies have implemented, are in the process of, or plan to implement Linux in the near future. I'm sure companies would like to see hands on training on My resume, I believe it would give me the edge in obtaining a new job. Sam. Clay Fandre wrote: >Greetings fellow TCLUGers, >Novell has offered the TCLUG an opportunity to attend two >Novell/Linux classes free of charge. There are 15 seats available for >an introduction to "Why is Novell into Linux. Why HP,IBM and Dell say >Novell is the best thing for Linux" On Monday the 29th from 1:00 PM >till 5 PM find out with hands on why Novell is into Linux. On Tuesday >the 30 from 8:00 am till 11:00 get an understanding of Ximian Desktop >and the management of services delivered. This will be held at the >8500 Normandale Lake Tower in Bloomington. Please write a one >paragraph message why you would like to attend and you will be in the >running for one of the 15 seats. This would normally cost $500 to >attend. > >Since there isn't much time left, please try to get back to me ASAP. > >Please send submissions to clay@fandre.com. > >-- Clay > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Sep 25 10:21:19 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F7307EF.60708@visi.com> Call the police! Adam Maloney wrote: >I apologize for posting OT (again), but I'm hoping someone on the list can >help me. > >Someone ran into my 3 month old 2003 Chev S-10 on Friday. I got his >information, but there's a problem with his insurance (he probably isn't >current on his bill), so they aren't going to cover it. I've got about >$900 in damages. > >The home phone he gave me is disconnected, and he gave me St. Jude's main >number as his work phone, and they've never heard of him (my own fault for >not calling both numbers on the spot). > >Anyways, I did read his plates off of his vehicle, so I'm pretty sure at >least those are correct. I need to get at least a name and address from >these plates. I've been googling, but all of the sites I'm finding look >pretty shady ("find out anything about anyone" type shady). > >Does anyone know of a quick and easy way to get this kind of information? >Free is good, but I don't mind paying a small fee if anyone can recommend >somewhere that I won't get (more) screwed. > >I'm waiting on the Louisiana DMV to open so I can ask what their procedure >is, and I'm waiting on his insurance company to call me back and see if I >can get anything out of them. > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Thu Sep 25 10:22:05 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus protection In-Reply-To: <3F71A689.5070603@cdf123.com> References: <3F719A24.8050909@eworld3.net> <3F71A689.5070603@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <3F73081D.1000402@eworld3.net> Thanks for the info on (the soon to be assimilated into the Windoze collective) RAV and clamav. > Thats my $0.02 for advice, now for some questions... > > Why do they need AV on the linux box? Are they using it for a > Samba/Email/Web server and just want something scanning there to protect > the Win32 Clients? Aside from a general fear of viruses, I think that the Linux box will be on a LAN that has another box or boxes that have nothing to do with our system but may have some sort of Internet connection. To tell you the truth, I don't know much about their network and *my* client would like to standardize on a Linux AV tool for all of *their* clients. So I'm really asking about Linux AV in general and not really for a particular end-user, although there is currently only one user asking for it, but thanks for asking. > If it's not to protect a Win32 Client machine, then why worry about > trusting the software? All it will do is use up CPU cycles, scan *I* brought up the trust issue, not the client. I'm sorry that I did not make that clear in the original post. My point is that we are talking about security software so we would want to use a tool from an organization that is trustworthy. Open source is one way to be trustworthy and profit motive *can* be another. Please don't hijack this thread for a discussion of this issue! > through disks, and finally accomplish nothing of value. My main reason > for using clamav is to scan files that I would give to others or take to > work, that way I won't be blamed for passing anything along to others. > > If they insist on having AV on all their boxes then don't the Win32 > Clients already have an AV package protecting them? The windoze clients also have AV but that does not help the Linux server. I guess I'm assuming that Linux AV only looks for Linux viruses and Win32 AV only looks for Win32 viruses, but maybe I'm wrong. > > Just curious... Just be glad you're not a cat ;-) > > Chris Frederick -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From carlos at eberhardt.net Thu Sep 25 10:22:59 2003 From: carlos at eberhardt.net (Carlos Eberhardt) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309251022.59329.carlos@eberhardt.net> On Thursday 25 September 2003 09:59 am, Adam Maloney wrote: > Does anyone know of a quick and easy way to get this kind of information? > Free is good, but I don't mind paying a small fee if anyone can recommend > somewhere that I won't get (more) screwed. These guys might be able to help... I'm just assuming that one state department could grease the wheels when dealing with a similar department in another state (assuming he had Louisiana plates): http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/index.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rudie at rudie.net Thu Sep 25 11:06:29 2003 From: rudie at rudie.net (Kevin Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030925110629.6ef2be21.rudie@rudie.net> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:59:35 -0500 (CDT) Adam Maloney wrote: > I'm waiting on the Louisiana DMV to open so I can ask what their > procedure is, and I'm waiting on his insurance company to call me back > and see if I can get anything out of them. That's probably your best bet, if the plates were issued in LA. In MN, it costs $5 (last time I needed to do this) to get the owner's information incuding vehicle description and title number. IIRC, it involved waiting in line forever and dealing with a surly counterperson but it was worth it (needed to contact previous owner of a car I wanted to buy, but had no title or info on the person). YMMV, as laws will vary from state to state, but if they have laws similar to ours, then it can be done this way. -- -Kevin Hinze rudie@rudie.net | rudie@sihope.com hinz0047@tc.umn.edu | http://rudie.net Democracy: two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for lunch Liberty: a well armed sheep expressing his rights. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Sep 25 10:37:14 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030925103714.3868a355.sfertch@real-time.com> > Does anyone know of a quick and easy way to get this kind of > information? Free is good, but I don't mind paying a small fee if > anyone can recommend somewhere that I won't get (more) screwed. > > I'm waiting on the Louisiana DMV to open so I can ask what their > procedure is, and I'm waiting on his insurance company to call me back > and see if I can get anything out of them. > My understanding is that the state of MN does not give this information out anymore. I believe the laws went into effect earlier this year. I could be wrong however. Louisiana might be a different story and still give this information out. My recommendation is to call the police, and your insurance company. Between the two of them, you should be able to get something done. However, why didn't you call the police and your insurance company right away. Police especially. State law is $500 damage or more require police to be called. Now days, that's a turn signal marker. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.alitz at earthlink.net Thu Sep 25 10:36:03 2003 From: david.alitz at earthlink.net (David Alitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tape Drive Choice? In-Reply-To: <20030924171923.A30607@thinkunix.net> References: <1064433223.3f71f6473fd62@mail.bitstream.net> <20030924171923.A30607@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <3F730B63.6060307@earthlink.net> If you run the indexing service for Amanda, recovery is pretty simple. You can use amrecover to interactively build your restore selections and it will prompt for the appropriate tapes. If you leave indexing off, it's a headache to try and figure out where the last full dump and all the incrementals are. Amanda uses dump, tar, or smbtar for windows shares. Dump does a straight physical dump without regard to file structure. I've heard it's a bad choices for modern file systems (haven't really looked, since I use tar). I didn't think the config was too bad; on the other hand, my favorite editor is vi. :-) I second the recommendation of the oO'Rielly book The chapter on Amanda can be found online at http://www.backupcentral.com/amanda.html Dave Alitz Scot Jenkins wrote: >I've used Amanda for a past employer. It works but is very complicated >to setup. It has some advantages that it will try to stream to tapes >and maximize space on each tape, etc, but there's a downside: > >Server A just crash, which backup tape has the last full backup from >which I can restore the entire system quickly? With Amanda, (at least >in the setup we had, where it maximized tape space), the various >filesystems from Server A where put on many tapes and at many different >places on those tapes, depending on what day each filesystem was backed >up. To me, this would be an administrative nightmare if I ever had to >do a complete restore of a system. > >that's my $0.02. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 25 10:43:33 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > Does anyone know of a quick and easy way to get this kind of > information? Free is good, but I don't mind paying a small fee if anyone > can recommend somewhere that I won't get (more) screwed. File a police report - you'll probably get paid that way. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Thu Sep 25 10:57:40 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: <20030925150304.GL764@fandre.com> Message-ID: <65ecae434eb8205d487a076211adc8a6@stfu.local.> -- Ben Lutgens US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby / General Purpose Lackey On 2003-09-25 10:03:04 -0500 Clay Fandre wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: >> >> Does anyone know of a quick and easy way to get this kind of >> information? >> Free is good, but I don't mind paying a small fee if anyone can >> recommend >> somewhere that I won't get (more) screwed. >> > > Know anyone who's a cop? This is a matter for law-enforcement. Its tantamount to hit-and-run. Its called a crime. Call the police. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Thu Sep 25 11:00:13 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free training opportunity In-Reply-To: <20030925143827.GE764@fandre.com> Message-ID: 500.00? Are they high? Why the hell would anyone pay to listen to them market their product! This isn't friggin training! it's a goddamned marketing ploy! SHAME ON THEM! -- Ben Lutgens US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby / General Purpose Lackey On 2003-09-25 09:38:27 -0500 Clay Fandre wrote: > Greetings fellow TCLUGers, > Novell has offered the TCLUG an opportunity to attend two > Novell/Linux classes free of charge. There are 15 seats available for > an introduction to "Why is Novell into Linux. Why HP,IBM and Dell say > Novell is the best thing for Linux" On Monday the 29th from 1:00 PM > till 5 PM find out with hands on why Novell is into Linux. On Tuesday > the 30 from 8:00 am till 11:00 get an understanding of Ximian Desktop > and the management of services delivered. This will be held at the > 8500 Normandale Lake Tower in Bloomington. Please write a one > paragraph message why you would like to attend and you will be in the > running for one of the 15 seats. This would normally cost $500 to > attend. > > Since there isn't much time left, please try to get back to me ASAP. > > Please send submissions to clay@fandre.com. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Thu Sep 25 11:04:19 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free training opportunity In-Reply-To: <3F7307A4.7030106@visi.com> Message-ID: <2088a42bd810e5a2b635aeb25c500666@stfu.local.> This doesn't sound like "hands on training", sounds more like "listen to use tell you how great novell products are. You want hands on training, install and learn linux. Be active in the community here in town, network at the installfests and LUG meetings. Prove yourself knowledgeable at these types of events and learn how to sell yourself to interviewers. -- Ben Lutgens US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby / General Purpose Lackey On 2003-09-25 10:20:04 -0500 Sam MacDonald wrote: > In my previous eMail I wanted to be sure you knew I was interested. > > I'm presently learning Linux to increase my marketability as a System > Administrator. I'm currently unemployed, having a hands on training > in Linux > would help me achieve my goal of a new job. Many Windows System > Administrator > positions in the industry are now asking for or requiring knowledge > of Linux. > Many companies have implemented, are in the process of, or plan to > implement > Linux in the near future. I'm sure companies would like to see hands > on > training on My resume, I believe it would give me the edge in > obtaining a new > job. > > Sam. > > > > Clay Fandre wrote: > >> Greetings fellow TCLUGers, >> Novell has offered the TCLUG an opportunity to attend two >> Novell/Linux classes free of charge. There are 15 seats available for >> an introduction to "Why is Novell into Linux. Why HP,IBM and Dell >> say >> Novell is the best thing for Linux" On Monday the 29th from 1:00 PM >> till 5 PM find out with hands on why Novell is into Linux. On >> Tuesday >> the 30 from 8:00 am till 11:00 get an understanding of Ximian Desktop >> and the management of services delivered. This will be held at the >> 8500 Normandale Lake Tower in Bloomington. Please write a one >> paragraph message why you would like to attend and you will be in the >> running for one of the 15 seats. This would normally cost $500 to >> attend. >> >> Since there isn't much time left, please try to get back to me ASAP. >> >> Please send submissions to clay@fandre.com. >> >> -- Clay >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Thu Sep 25 11:05:04 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Recent Beermeeting Issues In-Reply-To: <3F72CB74.6050000@goldengate.net> Message-ID: At least someone was paying attention. Thank you. -- Ben Lutgens US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby / General Purpose Lackey > Please pardon me for shifting this thread discussion a bit, but it > seems to > me we are missing a main point here. > > Whether you like the tipping system or not, the plain truth is that > if some > people choose to pay too little, whether deliberately or from > miscalculation, > other members of our group have to pick up the difference. I think > that was > the main point of the posting that started this whole thing. > > We need to keep that point in mind, fairness to other members of the > group. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 25 11:13:56 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus protection In-Reply-To: <3F73081D.1000402@eworld3.net> References: <3F719A24.8050909@eworld3.net> <3F71A689.5070603@cdf123.com> <3F73081D.1000402@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030925161356.GS764@fandre.com> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > The windoze clients also have AV but that does not help the Linux server. > I guess I'm assuming that Linux AV only looks for Linux viruses and > Win32 AV only looks for Win32 viruses, but maybe I'm wrong. > Actually there aren't many Linux viruses to worry about. There are some trojans and such that the AV software will detect, but that wouldn't be my primary concern. But both versions (Linux & Windows) will detect viruses/worms/trojans/etc for both platforms. They both use similar (if not identical) definition files AFAIK. BTW, you could also remotely scan systems if necessary. We have a few NetApp filers that don't have native AV software on them. We scan for viruses nightly via NFS. It isn't real-time protection, but it's better than nothing. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben.neigebauer at compellent.com Thu Sep 25 11:08:54 2003 From: ben.neigebauer at compellent.com (Neigebauer, Ben) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search Message-ID: <146431CFD07FE94984B432636FCDF8060FB846@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> Well, actually you don't have to report it unless the damage is over $1000. They did exchange information and everything. The cop would have done the same thing (but got a little more info) but he can't verify the insurance information. Pretty much always report an accident unless it was a bumper scratch. Benjamin E. Neigebauer Software Engineer Compellent Technologies Eden Prairie, MN 55344 -----Original Message----- From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@us-admins.com] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 10:58 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search -- Ben Lutgens US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby / General Purpose Lackey On 2003-09-25 10:03:04 -0500 Clay Fandre wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: >> >> Does anyone know of a quick and easy way to get this kind of >> information? >> Free is good, but I don't mind paying a small fee if anyone can >> recommend >> somewhere that I won't get (more) screwed. >> > > Know anyone who's a cop? This is a matter for law-enforcement. Its tantamount to hit-and-run. Its called a crime. Call the police. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 9/18/2003 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Sep 25 12:15:38 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running services---beware of n00b Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D370B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I have written a small ugly script to restart some services which occasionally quit for unknown reasons...is there a way I can write a script to check if the services are running and run my restart script if they die? Dan Lansing _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Sep 25 12:23:43 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running services---beware of n00b In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D370B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D370B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:15:38 -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote: > I have written a small ugly script to restart some services which > occasionally quit for unknown reasons...is there a way I can write a > script to check if the services are running and run my restart script if > they die? > yes! write a script to check if the process is running and restart if need be. Then run a that script though cron and at your desired frequncey. you could use ps -ef and grep for the process pid if you know it - or the process name... if there's only one running... > Dan Lansing > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Thu Sep 25 12:32:51 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus protection In-Reply-To: <3F73081D.1000402@eworld3.net> References: <3F719A24.8050909@eworld3.net> <3F71A689.5070603@cdf123.com> <3F73081D.1000402@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3F7326C3.7080105@cdf123.com> Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > Thanks for the info on (the soon to be assimilated into the Windoze > collective) RAV and clamav. yw >> If they insist on having AV on all their boxes then don't the Win32 >> Clients already have an AV package protecting them? > > The windoze clients also have AV but that does not help the Linux server. > I guess I'm assuming that Linux AV only looks for Linux viruses and > Win32 AV only looks for Win32 viruses, but maybe I'm wrong. just FYI, correct me if I'm wrong: The way I understand it there are very few Linux viruses (less than 100?, less than 1k? anyone know?) vs Windows Viruses (65135 acording to my Norton 2k3), and the main reason for antivirus on Linux was to stop windows viruses from spreading (by scanning emails on the server, or shared files via samba/ftp/http/etc...). Try doing a search of your virus definitions on the product you eventually choose, and see how many Linux vs Win32 viri it's checking for, that should give you an idea of the threat level to the Linux box. Chris Frederick. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Sep 25 12:35:01 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running services---beware of n00b Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAC2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Ok...perhaps I should have been more specific....i am familiar with chron, grep and ps....how would I combine these to write a script to do this?? Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Johnny Fulcrum Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:24 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] running services---beware of n00b yes! write a script to check if the process is running and restart if need be. Then run a that script though cron and at your desired frequncey. you could use ps -ef and grep for the process pid if you know it - or the process name... if there's only one running... TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 25 12:36:29 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running services---beware of n00b In-Reply-To: References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D370B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030925173629.GX764@fandre.com> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:15:38 -0500, Lansing, Dan > wrote: > > >I have written a small ugly script to restart some services which > >occasionally quit for unknown reasons...is there a way I can write a > >script to check if the services are running and run my restart script if > >they die? > > > > yes! write a script to check if the process is running and restart if > need be. Then run a that script though cron and at your desired frequncey. > > you could use ps -ef and grep for the process pid if you know it - or the > process name... if there's only one running... > The only thing to watch out for is hung processes. Sometimes a process shows up in ps -ef, but isn't responding. Just something to be aware of. There's a debian package called restartd that does exactly what you are looking for. I haven't used it, so I don't know what advantages it has over a simple shell script in cron. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Sep 25 12:36:13 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hostname and mandrake Message-ID: Hi. I've tried to set the hostname on my machine and I'm having no luck. I su - to root did a hostname and rebooted and it came back with userimage.xxx.xxx as the hostname I tried linuxconf (yuck) and that didn't work.... tried the mandrake network and internet settings control panel - that didn't let me set the hostname, so I hit the wizzard button there and it ran through the network set up and at one point it asked for the Zerocinf hostname -I gave the hostname I wanted, and it did some stuff and applied the changes, then at the settings page, the hostname was changed, but not to what I specified it went from "userimage" to "msppc1210" (the name of the machine before I installed linux NO IDEA where it dug this up... BIOS maybe?), then when I quit the mandrake config tool and checked the command line (using hostname) and it was back to "userimage".... grrr fired the mandrake tool back up and it said "userimage" too!!! /etc/network/ /etc/sysconfig/network has teh proper HOSTNAME and NETWORKING=yes (that's all this file contains. so I started going though some files and I see this: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0: DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp ONBOOT=yes NEEDHOSTNAME=yes The NEEDHOSTNAME seems fishy to me... can I comment out that line and restart netork? OR how do you set hostname without using GUI tools (that seem to bork the system up..) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Sep 25 12:40:03 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running services---beware of n00b In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D370B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D370B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030925124003.20b74b72.list@slushpupie.com> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:15:38 -0500 "Lansing, Dan" wrote: >I have written a small ugly script to restart some services which >occasionally quit for unknown reasons...is there a way I can write a script >to check if the services are running and run my restart script if they die? There are a lot of different ways to handle this. The way I handle it for one of my servers, is every 15 min a script is run from cron, and uses pidof to determine if there are any processes running with that name. If the process writes its pid to a file, just check to see if that pid is running (though this can fail- its possible for the process to quit, and a new, unrelated process to get its pid). Another option is to use the daemontools suite (please, no flamewars- it IS an option). Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Sep 25 12:40:00 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running services---beware of n00b In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAC2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAC2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:35:01 -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Ok...perhaps I should have been more specific....i am familiar with > chron, grep and ps....how would I combine these to write a script to do > this?? if [ps -ef |grep -v grep | grep process != a hit] then start the process else mail Dan < "the process still runs!" fi run that though cron every minute. > > Dan Lansing > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Johnny Fulcrum > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:24 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] running services---beware of n00b > > > yes! write a script to check if the process is running and restart if > need be. Then run a that script though cron and at your desired > frequncey. > > you could use ps -ef and grep for the process pid if you know it - or > the > process name... if there's only one running... > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > L"???)?.+-2)?y?h?+?J??S"?w?????? 0?yb??h? \??%??f?X??+?m?????????y?m?g??o?j)fj??b?????n?X? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Sep 25 12:46:34 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running services---beware of n00b In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAC2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAC2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030925124634.3fcef9c0.list@slushpupie.com> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:35:01 -0500 "Lansing, Dan" wrote: >Ok...perhaps I should have been more specific....i am familiar with chron, >grep and ps....how would I combine these to write a script to do this?? Try this (salt to taste): #!/bin/sh PIDLIST=`/sbin/pidof progname` if [ -z "$PIDLIST" ]; then echo "progname died, restarting"; /cmd/to/start/progname fi Put that in a file, chmod +x and then add an entry in cron: 0-59/15 * * * * /path/to/script Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 25 12:47:18 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running services---beware of n00b In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAC2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAC2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030925174718.GZ764@fandre.com> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Ok...perhaps I should have been more specific....i am familiar with chron, grep and ps....how would I combine these to write a script to do this?? > #!/bin/sh if ! ps -ef | grep | grep -v grep > /dev/null; then fi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Thu Sep 25 12:52:46 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus protection References: <3F719A24.8050909@eworld3.net> <3F71A689.5070603@cdf123.com> <3F73081D.1000402@eworld3.net> <3F7326C3.7080105@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <023e01c3838d$d47aa260$d037630a@dh.com> From: "Chris Frederick" > Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > > > just FYI, correct me if I'm wrong: > > The way I understand it there are very few Linux viruses (less than > 100?, less than 1k? anyone know?) vs Windows Viruses (65135 acording to > my Norton 2k3), and the main reason for antivirus on Linux was to stop > windows viruses from spreading (by scanning emails on the server, or > shared files via samba/ftp/http/etc...). Try doing a search of your > virus definitions on the product you eventually choose, and see how many > Linux vs Win32 viri it's checking for, that should give you an idea of > the threat level to the Linux box. > I run clam-antivirus, amavisd (0.1) and postfix on my Gentoo server it is doing a wonderful job of blocking the offending email viruses as of late. Tom Veldhouse _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Sep 25 13:51:55 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running services---beware of n00b References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAC2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <20030925174718.GZ764@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3F73394B.1030502@structural-wood.com> man pgrep PGREP(1) Linux User's Manual PGREP(1) NAME pgrep, pkill - look up or signal processes based on name and other attributes SYNOPSIS pgrep [-flnvx] [-d delimiter] [-P ppid,...] [-g pgrp,...] [-s sid,...] [-u euid,...] [-U uid,...] [-G gid,...] [-t term,...] [pattern] pkill [-signal] [-fnvx] [-P ppid,...] [-g pgrp,...] [-s sid,...] [-u euid,...] [-U uid,...] [-G gid,...] [-t term,...] [pattern] DESCRIPTION pgrep looks through the currently running processes and lists the process IDs which matches the selection criteria to stdout. All the criteria have to match. For example... Clay Fandre wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Lansing, Dan wrote: > > >>Ok...perhaps I should have been more specific....i am familiar with chron, grep and ps....how would I combine these to write a script to do this?? >> > > > #!/bin/sh > > if ! ps -ef | grep | grep -v grep > /dev/null; then > > fi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Sep 25 14:22:30 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] in flight Linux! In-Reply-To: <3F73001B.1070402@visi.com> References: <1064454974.3918.1665.camel@bigtime> <3F73001B.1070402@visi.com> Message-ID: <1064517750.25392.2612.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 09:47, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I would venture a guess they are using fiber. That makes sense as fiber is A LOT lighter than copper. If they get all exited about the weight saved from removing ash trays then I imagine they would would not want to lay copper for network. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Sep 25 15:29:36 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Traffic Shaper Message-ID: <20030925152936.22629516.list@slushpupie.com> I have a friend who wants a Linux firewall to do some traffic shaping or at least prioritizing. Are there any decent scripts people have used for tc? Anyone have some suggestions? His main goal is to limit the effects kazaa has on web browsing and IM. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Sep 25 15:35:32 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3 fragmentation Message-ID: <1064522132.25392.2671.camel@lotsa> My co worker is convinced that the ext3 partition hosting our mysql databases needs to be defragmented to improve lookup performance. I understand that fragmentation on ext2/ext3 file systems does not happen nearly as bad as it on fat32 or ntfs file systems. I've been told fragmentation is not a problem at all and ext3 File systems never need to be defragmented. I don't know if I believe that to be the whole truth because fragmentation does occur even if it's not really a big problem. I don't believe defragging this partition is going to make a noticeable difference but I don't really know for sure. The database, although it pretty big & flat, (~4Gig), it's pretty static. Not a lot is added to it. I have not yet run fsck on this partition to find out what the actual non-contiguous file count is. I have to take the box down to do that. Googling on the subject gets me to a lot of lug list archives of people voicing conflicting opinions but not a lot of solid info that was not over my head. I have these questions for you all. 1. Do you think defragging this partition is going to make a noticeable difference in performance? 2. Can anyone point me to any resources that would convince my coworkers that the problem is not the drive, it's the database? 3. Is backing up the partition, deleting it, then restoring the only way to deferment a ext3 partition? 4. is there a way to determine the how contiguous or fragmented one particular file is? Interesting article: http://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~loizides/reiserfs/agesystem.html -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben.neigebauer at compellent.com Thu Sep 25 15:48:29 2003 From: ben.neigebauer at compellent.com (Neigebauer, Ben) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] in flight Linux! Message-ID: <146431CFD07FE94984B432636FCDF8060FB849@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> Not to mention all that electronics "communications problems" and "interference" copper may have. Benjamin E. Neigebauer Software Engineer Compellent Technologies Eden Prairie, MN 55344 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Penney [mailto:blots@visi.com] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 2:23 PM To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [TCLUG] in flight Linux! On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 09:47, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I would venture a guess they are using fiber. That makes sense as fiber is A LOT lighter than copper. If they get all exited about the weight saved from removing ash trays then I imagine they would would not want to lay copper for network. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 9/18/2003 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Sep 25 16:15:01 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3 fragmentation In-Reply-To: <1064522132.25392.2671.camel@lotsa> References: <1064522132.25392.2671.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <3F735AD5.5070508@visi.com> Not knowing how your disks and server are configured makes this a little hard to trouble shoot. You said you have the database on a partition. Do you have the OS on a different partition? What is in the database that is making is slow? Perform a full backup first. Copy the database to a different physical drive that's blank and point SQL to it. If performance improves enough to notice, then you have several options. If performance does not improve you need to look at removing bad data. Delete the original database, defragment the disk, copy the image from the blank drive. Defragment the disk with the original database on it. Leave the database on it's own drive and delete the old, this is really the best choice if you can do it. With databases I like a configuration where the OS and applications are on a Raid 5 set. I like databases on mirror sets with their own controller. Again, not knowing you hardware makes it tough. Fat32 fragments because is sucks. NTFS is better but it still fragments. I've never had an issue with ext2 and I don't run ext3 so I don't know what to tell you about them. Sam. Tom Penney wrote: >My co worker is convinced that the ext3 partition hosting our mysql >databases needs to be defragmented to improve lookup performance. I >understand that fragmentation on ext2/ext3 file systems does not happen >nearly as bad as it on fat32 or ntfs file systems. I've been told >fragmentation is not a problem at all and ext3 File systems never need >to be defragmented. I don't know if I believe that to be the whole truth >because fragmentation does occur even if it's not really a big problem. > >I don't believe defragging this partition is going to make a noticeable >difference but I don't really know for sure. The database, although it >pretty big & flat, (~4Gig), it's pretty static. Not a lot is added to >it. I have not yet run fsck on this partition to find out what the >actual non-contiguous file count is. I have to take the box down to do >that. > >Googling on the subject gets me to a lot of lug list archives of people >voicing conflicting opinions but not a lot of solid info that was not >over my head. > >I have these questions for you all. >1. Do you think defragging this partition is going to make a noticeable >difference in performance? >2. Can anyone point me to any resources that would convince my coworkers >that the problem is not the drive, it's the database? >3. Is backing up the partition, deleting it, then restoring the only way >to deferment a ext3 partition? >4. is there a way to determine the how contiguous or fragmented one >particular file is? > >Interesting article: >http://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~loizides/reiserfs/agesystem.html > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Sep 25 16:16:08 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] in flight Linux! In-Reply-To: <146431CFD07FE94984B432636FCDF8060FB849@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> References: <146431CFD07FE94984B432636FCDF8060FB849@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> Message-ID: <3F735B18.8060201@visi.com> They could use the same network to fly the plane to! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sam. Neigebauer, Ben wrote: >Not to mention all that electronics "communications problems" and >"interference" copper may have. > > > >Benjamin E. Neigebauer >Software Engineer >Compellent Technologies >Eden Prairie, MN 55344 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Penney [mailto:blots@visi.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 2:23 PM >To: TCLUG >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] in flight Linux! > >On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 09:47, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>I would venture a guess they are using fiber. >> >> > >That makes sense as fiber is A LOT lighter than copper. If they get all >exited about the weight saved from removing ash trays then I imagine >they would would not want to lay copper for network. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Thu Sep 25 16:38:54 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Traffic Shaper In-Reply-To: <20030925152936.22629516.list@slushpupie.com> References: <20030925152936.22629516.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <3F73606E.6000209@lorenburlingame.com> Jay Kline wrote: > I have a friend who wants a Linux firewall to do some traffic shaping or at > least prioritizing. Are there any decent scripts people have used for tc? > Anyone have some suggestions? His main goal is to limit the effects kazaa > has on web browsing and IM. > in the past I have set up an iptables rule to flag packets with the string of "kazaa" in them and then pass those packets to a queuing discipline like CBQ. http://lartc.org/howto/ this took a while to figure out and set up. but the learning experience is worth it imo :) LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Sep 25 16:55:47 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3 fragmentation In-Reply-To: <1064522132.25392.2671.camel@lotsa>; from blots@visi.com on Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 03:35:32PM -0500 References: <1064522132.25392.2671.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20030925165547.A16189@thinkunix.net> I've never had to defrag an ext2/3 partition. I'm also not running a 4GB database either though. you might try iostat (part of sysstat package) to see if disk io is really an issue. Also look at top at the same time to see if the box is hitting memory (shift+M to sort my memory) and/or cpu (shift+P to sort by cpu) limits when the database performance is a problem. another thing to do would be to try see if a specific query is causing the problem. Alot of times some poorly written sql is to blame for poor performance. Joins on large tables or joins on too many tables will really slow things down. you could try adding and "explain" to a query to see what it's actually doing in mysql. Tom Penney wrote: > My co worker is convinced that the ext3 partition hosting our mysql > databases needs to be defragmented to improve lookup performance. I > understand that fragmentation on ext2/ext3 file systems does not happen > nearly as bad as it on fat32 or ntfs file systems. I've been told > fragmentation is not a problem at all and ext3 File systems never need > to be defragmented. I don't know if I believe that to be the whole truth > because fragmentation does occur even if it's not really a big problem. > > I don't believe defragging this partition is going to make a noticeable > difference but I don't really know for sure. The database, although it > pretty big & flat, (~4Gig), it's pretty static. Not a lot is added to > it. I have not yet run fsck on this partition to find out what the > actual non-contiguous file count is. I have to take the box down to do > that. > > Googling on the subject gets me to a lot of lug list archives of people > voicing conflicting opinions but not a lot of solid info that was not > over my head. > > I have these questions for you all. > 1. Do you think defragging this partition is going to make a noticeable > difference in performance? > 2. Can anyone point me to any resources that would convince my coworkers > that the problem is not the drive, it's the database? > 3. Is backing up the partition, deleting it, then restoring the only way > to deferment a ext3 partition? > 4. is there a way to determine the how contiguous or fragmented one > particular file is? > > Interesting article: > http://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~loizides/reiserfs/agesystem.html > > -- > Tom Penney > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Sep 25 17:21:15 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Traffic Shaper In-Reply-To: <20030925152936.22629516.list@slushpupie.com> References: <20030925152936.22629516.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20030925172115.67d78014.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:29:36 -0500 Jay Kline wrote: > I have a friend who wants a Linux firewall to do some traffic shaping > or at least prioritizing. Are there any decent scripts people have > used for tc? Anyone have some suggestions? His main goal is to limit > the effects kazaa has on web browsing and IM. > Take a look at either this month's or last months Linux Journal. There was a pretty extensive write up on this very thing. Well, at least ridding the network of Kazaa. ;) -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Sep 25 17:24:23 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3 fragmentation In-Reply-To: <3F735AD5.5070508@visi.com> References: <1064522132.25392.2671.camel@lotsa> <3F735AD5.5070508@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030925222423.GC22373@iucha.net> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:15:01PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > With databases I like a configuration where the OS and applications are > on a Raid 5 set. I like databases on mirror sets with their own > controller. Again, not knowing you hardware makes it tough. "Let's RAID5" is the wrong thing to do with a real database. A real database has separate tablespaces so you can place data, redo logs, indices, sort areas, temp areas onto separate spindles. Data and redo logs are critical, and should be mirrored. The others are disposable, but you want them on the fastest spindles you have. Cheers, florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030925/d91d11e9/attachment.pgp From smac at visi.com Thu Sep 25 18:45:48 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3 fragmentation In-Reply-To: <20030925222423.GC22373@iucha.net> References: <1064522132.25392.2671.camel@lotsa> <3F735AD5.5070508@visi.com> <20030925222423.GC22373@iucha.net> Message-ID: <3F737E2C.9090707@visi.com> Hmmm, I said OS and applications on the raid 5 set. Database goes on the mirror. Lets not mix our Raids, and lets read what I wrote. Sam. Florin Iucha wrote: >On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:15:01PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>With databases I like a configuration where the OS and applications are >>on a Raid 5 set. I like databases on mirror sets with their own >>controller. Again, not knowing you hardware makes it tough. >> >> > >"Let's RAID5" is the wrong thing to do with a real database. > >A real database has separate tablespaces so you can place data, redo >logs, indices, sort areas, temp areas onto separate spindles. Data and >redo logs are critical, and should be mirrored. The others are >disposable, but you want them on the fastest spindles you have. > >Cheers, >florin > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com Thu Sep 25 18:50:09 2003 From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Traffic Shaper Message-ID: <59AD485C.37D8544D.09BD8409@aol.com> > Jay Kline wrote: > > > I have a friend who wants a Linux firewall to do some traffic shaping > > or at least prioritizing. Are there any decent scripts people have > > used for tc? Anyone have some suggestions? His main goal is to limit > > the effects kazaa has on web browsing and IM. > > > On a similar note, I have a new roomate who is addicted to downloading anything and everything illegal on the internet "Because he can." Is there any way I can limit his bandwidth so mine doesn't go down the tubes? His link lights are blinking full-speed 24/7... I think he might be hosting /. from his computer. I've got Comcast cable internet with a linksys wireless AP/router/switch. Any help is much appreciated. When I next attend a beer meeting, your share of the server's tip is on me :) -Nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Sep 25 22:20:41 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running services---beware of n00b References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D370B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <008801c383dd$2a10eff0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Lansing, Dan writes: > I have written a small ugly script to restart some services which > occasionally quit for unknown reasons...is there a way I can write a > script to check if the services are running and run my restart script > if they die? Use a daemon monitoring program such as daemontools: http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html There are a number of reasons why you want to use daemontools: http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/faq/create.html#why Here is a collection of run scripts for daemontools or runit: http://smarden.org/runit/runscripts.html -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Sep 25 22:28:37 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3 fragmentation In-Reply-To: <3F737E2C.9090707@visi.com> References: <1064522132.25392.2671.camel@lotsa> <3F735AD5.5070508@visi.com> <20030925222423.GC22373@iucha.net> <3F737E2C.9090707@visi.com> Message-ID: <1064546917.25392.2907.camel@lotsa> This is actually just a development system so there is no load to speak of on the database. I appreciate your input on the best hardware for the job. I know even just a second hi-perf drive with cache would help a lot but for now it is what it is. It just has one drive formated into 5 partitions in a 1.2GHz atholon with 1 gig memory. It's not for production use. I'm just curious how big of an effect drive fragmentation would have on this system as it is. My coworker thinks it has a huge effect on lookup performance. My guess is little to none. Unless I can come up with something to back that up I'm going to have to waste my time doing a job that I don't think needs to be done. I guess I could just do it and say I told you so but I don't really want to. Perhaps I'm wrong but I doubt it. I've been wrong before, it was this one time when I thought I was wrong but I was actually right so maybe that doesn't count ;-) - Tom On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 18:45, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Hmmm, I said OS and applications on the raid 5 set. > > Database goes on the mirror. > > Lets not mix our Raids, and lets read what I wrote. > > Sam. > > Florin Iucha wrote: > > >On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:15:01PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > > > >>With databases I like a configuration where the OS and applications are > >>on a Raid 5 set. I like databases on mirror sets with their own > >>controller. Again, not knowing you hardware makes it tough. > >> > >> > > > >"Let's RAID5" is the wrong thing to do with a real database. > > > >A real database has separate tablespaces so you can place data, redo > >logs, indices, sort areas, temp areas onto separate spindles. Data and > >redo logs are critical, and should be mirrored. The others are > >disposable, but you want them on the fastest spindles you have. > > > >Cheers, > >florin > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Sep 25 22:35:14 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3 fragmentation In-Reply-To: <20030925165547.A16189@thinkunix.net> References: <1064522132.25392.2671.camel@lotsa> <20030925165547.A16189@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <1064547314.25392.2912.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 16:55, Scot Jenkins wrote: > you might try iostat (part of sysstat package) to see if disk io is > really an issue. Also look at top at the same time to see if the box is > hitting memory (shift+M to sort my memory) and/or cpu (shift+P to sort by > cpu) limits when the database performance is a problem. Thanks Scot. I'll play with this a little and let you know what I find out. > another thing to do would be to try see if a specific query is causing > the problem. Alot of times some poorly written sql is to blame for poor > performance. Joins on large tables or joins on too many tables will > really slow things down. you could try adding and "explain" to a query > to see what it's actually doing in mysql. > > Tom Penney wrote: > > My co worker is convinced that the ext3 partition hosting our mysql > > databases needs to be defragmented to improve lookup performance. I > > understand that fragmentation on ext2/ext3 file systems does not happen > > nearly as bad as it on fat32 or ntfs file systems. I've been told > > fragmentation is not a problem at all and ext3 File systems never need > > to be defragmented. I don't know if I believe that to be the whole truth > > because fragmentation does occur even if it's not really a big problem. > > > > I don't believe defragging this partition is going to make a noticeable > > difference but I don't really know for sure. The database, although it > > pretty big & flat, (~4Gig), it's pretty static. Not a lot is added to > > it. I have not yet run fsck on this partition to find out what the > > actual non-contiguous file count is. I have to take the box down to do > > that. > > > > Googling on the subject gets me to a lot of lug list archives of people > > voicing conflicting opinions but not a lot of solid info that was not > > over my head. > > > > I have these questions for you all. > > 1. Do you think defragging this partition is going to make a noticeable > > difference in performance? > > 2. Can anyone point me to any resources that would convince my coworkers > > that the problem is not the drive, it's the database? > > 3. Is backing up the partition, deleting it, then restoring the only way > > to deferment a ext3 partition? > > 4. is there a way to determine the how contiguous or fragmented one > > particular file is? > > > > Interesting article: > > http://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~loizides/reiserfs/agesystem.html > > > > -- > > Tom Penney > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Sep 26 06:45:19 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hostname and mandrake In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F7426CF.8070109@real-time.com> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: [snip] > /etc/network/ > > /etc/sysconfig/network has teh proper HOSTNAME and NETWORKING=yes > (that's all this file contains. This is normal. This is also where your hostname is set, as you saw. > so I started going though some files and I see this: > > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0: > > DEVICE=eth0 > > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > > ONBOOT=yes > > NEEDHOSTNAME=yes > > The NEEDHOSTNAME seems fishy to me... > > can I comment out that line and restart netork? Just change the yes to a no. You can also set a different hostname here if you want (some people use a different hostname for each NIC, or perhaps for other purposes), with the HOSTNAME line like the one you saw in /etc/sysconfig/network. > OR > > how do you set hostname without using GUI tools (that seem to bork the > system up..) It's already set in /etc/sysconfig/network, as you saw above. -- Dave Sherman - MCSE, MCSA, CCNA Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Fri Sep 26 07:39:19 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3 fragmentation References: <1064522132.25392.2671.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <000c01c3842b$34e1a890$d037630a@dh.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Penney" > I have these questions for you all. > 1. Do you think defragging this partition is going to make a noticeable > difference in performance? > 2. Can anyone point me to any resources that would convince my coworkers > that the problem is not the drive, it's the database? > 3. Is backing up the partition, deleting it, then restoring the only way > to deferment a ext3 partition? > 4. is there a way to determine the how contiguous or fragmented one > particular file is? > While I can not give you any solid evidence one way or another for whether a defrag would be beneficial (my gut instinct says no), I do suggest that you consider putting reiserfs on in place of ext3 if you consider option 3. Oh ... one question ... is your MySQL database using innodb? That will naturally be slower because of the transaction handling unless you manage to tune it specifically otherwise. Tom Veldhouse _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lcojiml at iwon.com Fri Sep 26 08:12:55 2003 From: lcojiml at iwon.com (James Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running services---beware of n00b Message-ID: <20030926131255.930D11C77A@email.iwon.com> Wouldn't another option be to find out why said processes just "hang" for no reason. This is not normal behavior. Jim ----------------------------------- James G. Louis Information Technologist lcojiml@iwon.com http://bounce.to/bizindawishin --- On Thu 09/25, Jay Kline < list@slushpupie.com > wrote: From: Jay Kline [mailto: list@slushpupie.com] To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:40:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [TCLUG] running services---beware of n00b On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:15:38 -0500
"Lansing, Dan" wrote:
>I have written a small ugly script to restart some services which
>occasionally quit for unknown reasons...is there a way I can write a script
>to check if the services are running and run my restart script if they die?

There are a lot of different ways to handle this. The way I handle it for
one of my servers, is every 15 min a script is run from cron, and uses pidof
to determine if there are any processes running with that name. If the
process writes its pid to a file, just check to see if that pid is running
(though this can fail- its possible for the process to quit, and a new,
unrelated process to get its pid).

Another option is to use the daemontools suite (please, no flamewars- it IS
an option).

Jay

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_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Sep 26 09:27:32 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... In-Reply-To: <20030920231417.GA753@duron> References: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030920183550.GA598@duron> <20030920231417.GA753@duron> Message-ID: <20030926092732.47cf9edb.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:14:17 -0500 Karl Bongers wrote: > What I said in my last post is only valid if the kernel > is not starting. Try to take note if the kernel starts or not. > Look for some message after "loading linux". > > Or try adding "vga=ask" as a boot-time parameter. If the > kernel is starting, this should stop it very early and prompt for > vga settings. > Okay, finally got a chance to try and figure it out some more last night. Tried a few things, but didn't remove any hardware yet. Will try over the weekend. The last message that I was somewhat able to read after "loading linux" said something to the likes of "reading bios" or soemthing. If that's correct, and it's failing at trying to getinfo from the bios, what are my alternatives? Is there mainboards that are not Linux compatible? -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Sep 26 10:03:38 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3 fragmentation References: <1064522132.25392.2671.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <003701c3843f$5de23de0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Tom Penney writes: > My co worker is convinced that the ext3 partition hosting our mysql > databases needs to be defragmented to improve lookup performance. Profile. Don't speculate. > I've been > told fragmentation is not a problem at all and ext3 File systems > never need to be defragmented. I don't know if I believe that to be > the whole truth because fragmentation does occur even if it's not > really a big problem. That's not entirely true. It would be very difficult (read: impossible) to make a filesystem that is completely immune to fragmentation under all circumstances that still has good performance. There is some good reading material on the subject: http://web.mit.edu/tytso/www/linux/ext2intro.html http://docs.freebsd.org/44doc/smm/05.fastfs/paper.html > The database although it pretty big & flat, (~4Gig), it's pretty > static. If that is the case, and you are worried about fragmentation, fix it by copying the database files to a partition with lots of free space. You will need to stop MySQL before you do this. > 1. Do you think defragging this partition is going to make a > noticeable difference in performance? Maybe. If you are desperate, give it a try. But simply copying the files is much easier. > 2. Can anyone point me to any resources that would convince my > coworkers that the problem is not the drive, it's the database? Yes. That would be your profiler output. > 3. Is backing up the partition, deleting it, then restoring the only > way to deferment a ext3 partition? No, but it is the most reliable method. I wouldn't trust any defragmenting tool without a complete backup, so at that point, it's much easier to simply restore the partition. > 4. is there a way to determine the how contiguous or fragmented one > particular file is? I seem to remember a tool that does that, but I don't remember the name. You didn't give us any details about your database, but I find it highly unlikely that performance is due to the drive being fragmented. If you want to get decent performance out of a large MySQL database, you need to index every column that you are querying against. The speed difference can easily be three or four magnitudes. Learn how to use EXPLAIN for your queries. This will tell you where you need to use indexes. Also run OPTIMIZE TABLE and ANALYZE TABLE. If you have deleted a lot of records from a table, the table could be fragmented (at the MySQL level, not the filesystem level). OPTIMIZE fixes this. ANALYZE saves the key distribution for the table, which helps out the optimizer. Determine the size of your indexes. You can do this using SHOW TABLE STATUS LIKE 'table'. Index_length is the size of the index. MySQL uses the index to determine where items are in the table. As I said before, this is critically important to fast lookups. Otherwise, MySQL has to do a full table scan, which is very slow on large tables. It is important to get as much of the index as possible into memory. Ideally, key_buffer (usually set in /etc/my.cnf) should be large enough to hold the indexes from all your tables that get queried often. This may mean dropping some indexes that are never used. On a large table, sometimes the index can be larger than the data. Finally, make sure you read and understand this: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/MySQL_Optimisation.html -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Sep 26 10:18:25 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hostname and mandrake In-Reply-To: <3F7426CF.8070109@real-time.com> References: <3F7426CF.8070109@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:45:19 -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > [snip] >> /etc/network/ >> >> /etc/sysconfig/network has teh proper HOSTNAME and NETWORKING=yes >> (that's all this file contains. > > This is normal. This is also where your hostname is set, as you saw. > >> so I started going though some files and I see this: > >> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0: >> >> DEVICE=eth0 >> >> BOOTPROTO=dhcp >> >> ONBOOT=yes >> >> NEEDHOSTNAME=yes >> >> The NEEDHOSTNAME seems fishy to me... >> >> can I comment out that line and restart netork? > > Just change the yes to a no. You can also set a different hostname here > if you want (some people use a different hostname for each NIC, or > perhaps for other purposes), with the HOSTNAME line like the one you saw > in /etc/sysconfig/network. > no love yet... Changed yes to NO and put a HOSTNAME line in here. Rebooted and came back with the msppc1210 hostname I then saw that /etc/sysconfig/networking had a ifcfg-lo file and that /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-lo was a link back to /etc/sysconfig/networking/ifcfg-lo I then moved /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 to /etc/sysconfig/networking/ifcfg-eth0 and made a link link ifcfg-lo has I rebooted and then the hostname was userimage. Crap. I'm now searching the whole system for files containing msppc1210 or userimage >> OR >> >> how do you set hostname without using GUI tools (that seem to bork the >> system up..) > > It's already set in /etc/sysconfig/network, as you saw above. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 26 11:25:07 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... In-Reply-To: <20030926092732.47cf9edb.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030920183550.GA598@duron> <20030920231417.GA753@duron> <20030926092732.47cf9edb.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F746863.5070405@visi.com> This is a little long but it's the best hardware trouble shooting process I know of. It's not only the motherboard that has BIOS on it. The Video, NIC, Sound, and other adapters have BIOS on them. The BIOS on these adapters communicates with the BIOS on the motherboard telling it what they are and what they need to work. It _"sounds like_" you have a BIOS on an adapter that is causing the machine to hang. In other words, object X tries to talk to object A and hangs the machine. However it's usually the line, following the last line you see, that hangs the machine. The objects could be hardware, software, or both. First; you will need a log book, write everything down. Look at the motherboard book and find out what order (direction) the slots enumerate in1,2,3, etc Obviously an AGP video card has it's own slot. Strip the machine of un-needed hardware. If it hangs on AGP you need to make a change in either the speed and/or memory of the AGP adapter in the motherboard BIOS. 2x, 4x, 8x speed reducing and try reducing the amount of memory it is allowed to use. Boot if it works, shutdown Add 1 adapter Boot if it works, shutdown Add another adapter Boot and so on until something _doesn't_ work Some adapters need to be in low order slots to work properly, start with sound, sound cards are notorious for causing problems. Then move on to Network, Modem, USB, Firewire, etc... if you have them. Put the sound card in the first slot. (slot 1 from the book) Put the NIC in the next slot (slot 2 from the book) and so on... If you find an adapter that fails after the NIC, move the NIC to the next to the last slot on the motherboard. (slot 5, on a 6 slot motherboard, and move the non-functioning adapter to slot 2) If it works after that move on to the next adapter. If it doesn't then you know what hardware to replace. BIG HINT - don't close the case until it all works. On a different note, I've had W2K installs hang because the processor was over clocked. Slow down the processor if all else fails or if it hangs on AGP after changing its speed and memory. Good luck, write everything down, then share your findings with the TCLUGers. Sam. Shawn wrote: >On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:14:17 -0500 >Karl Bongers wrote: > > > >>What I said in my last post is only valid if the kernel >>is not starting. Try to take note if the kernel starts or not. >>Look for some message after "loading linux". >> >>Or try adding "vga=ask" as a boot-time parameter. If the >>kernel is starting, this should stop it very early and prompt for >>vga settings. >> >> >> > >Okay, finally got a chance to try and figure it out some more last night. Tried a few things, but didn't remove any hardware yet. Will try over the weekend. > >The last message that I was somewhat able to read after "loading linux" said something to the likes of "reading bios" or soemthing. If that's correct, and it's failing at trying to getinfo from the bios, what are my alternatives? Is there mainboards that are not Linux compatible? > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 26 11:28:28 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3 fragmentation In-Reply-To: <003701c3843f$5de23de0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <1064522132.25392.2671.camel@lotsa> <003701c3843f$5de23de0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <3F74692C.2020208@visi.com> I just thought to ask, Is this database 1 table? Sam. David Phillips wrote: >Tom Penney writes: > > >>My co worker is convinced that the ext3 partition hosting our mysql >>databases needs to be defragmented to improve lookup performance. >> >> > >Profile. Don't speculate. > > > >>I've been >>told fragmentation is not a problem at all and ext3 File systems >>never need to be defragmented. I don't know if I believe that to be >>the whole truth because fragmentation does occur even if it's not >>really a big problem. >> >> > >That's not entirely true. It would be very difficult (read: impossible) to >make a filesystem that is completely immune to fragmentation under all >circumstances that still has good performance. > >There is some good reading material on the subject: > >http://web.mit.edu/tytso/www/linux/ext2intro.html >http://docs.freebsd.org/44doc/smm/05.fastfs/paper.html > > > >>The database although it pretty big & flat, (~4Gig), it's pretty >>static. >> >> > >If that is the case, and you are worried about fragmentation, fix it by >copying the database files to a partition with lots of free space. You will >need to stop MySQL before you do this. > > > >>1. Do you think defragging this partition is going to make a >>noticeable difference in performance? >> >> > >Maybe. If you are desperate, give it a try. But simply copying the files >is much easier. > > > >>2. Can anyone point me to any resources that would convince my >>coworkers that the problem is not the drive, it's the database? >> >> > >Yes. That would be your profiler output. > > > >>3. Is backing up the partition, deleting it, then restoring the only >>way to deferment a ext3 partition? >> >> > >No, but it is the most reliable method. I wouldn't trust any defragmenting >tool without a complete backup, so at that point, it's much easier to simply >restore the partition. > > > >>4. is there a way to determine the how contiguous or fragmented one >>particular file is? >> >> > >I seem to remember a tool that does that, but I don't remember the name. > >You didn't give us any details about your database, but I find it highly >unlikely that performance is due to the drive being fragmented. If you want >to get decent performance out of a large MySQL database, you need to index >every column that you are querying against. The speed difference can easily >be three or four magnitudes. > >Learn how to use EXPLAIN for your queries. This will tell you where you >need to use indexes. Also run OPTIMIZE TABLE and ANALYZE TABLE. If you >have deleted a lot of records from a table, the table could be fragmented >(at the MySQL level, not the filesystem level). OPTIMIZE fixes this. >ANALYZE saves the key distribution for the table, which helps out the >optimizer. > >Determine the size of your indexes. You can do this using SHOW TABLE STATUS >LIKE 'table'. Index_length is the size of the index. MySQL uses the index >to determine where items are in the table. As I said before, this is >critically important to fast lookups. Otherwise, MySQL has to do a full >table scan, which is very slow on large tables. > >It is important to get as much of the index as possible into memory. >Ideally, key_buffer (usually set in /etc/my.cnf) should be large enough to >hold the indexes from all your tables that get queried often. This may mean >dropping some indexes that are never used. On a large table, sometimes the >index can be larger than the data. > >Finally, make sure you read and understand this: > >http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/MySQL_Optimisation.html > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hpenner at cbca.com Fri Sep 26 10:31:20 2003 From: hpenner at cbca.com (Harry Penner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hostname and mandrake In-Reply-To: References: <3F7426CF.8070109@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1064590279.14900.72.camel@quack> Is it possible it's grabbing the hostname from DNS? What does the DNS entry for its IP address say? -hp3 On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 10:18, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:45:19 -0500, Dave Sherman > wrote: > > > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > [snip] > >> /etc/network/ > >> > >> /etc/sysconfig/network has teh proper HOSTNAME and NETWORKING=yes > >> (that's all this file contains. > > > > This is normal. This is also where your hostname is set, as you saw. > > > >> so I started going though some files and I see this: > > > >> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0: > >> > >> DEVICE=eth0 > >> > >> BOOTPROTO=dhcp > >> > >> ONBOOT=yes > >> > >> NEEDHOSTNAME=yes > >> > >> The NEEDHOSTNAME seems fishy to me... > >> > >> can I comment out that line and restart netork? > > > > Just change the yes to a no. You can also set a different hostname here > > if you want (some people use a different hostname for each NIC, or > > perhaps for other purposes), with the HOSTNAME line like the one you saw > > in /etc/sysconfig/network. > > > no love yet... > > Changed yes to NO and put a HOSTNAME line in here. Rebooted and came back > with the msppc1210 hostname > > I then saw that /etc/sysconfig/networking had a ifcfg-lo file and that > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-lo was a link back to > /etc/sysconfig/networking/ifcfg-lo > > I then moved /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 to > /etc/sysconfig/networking/ifcfg-eth0 and made a link link ifcfg-lo has > > I rebooted and then the hostname was userimage. Crap. > > I'm now searching the whole system for files containing msppc1210 or > userimage > > > >> OR > >> > >> how do you set hostname without using GUI tools (that seem to bork the > >> system up..) > > > > It's already set in /etc/sysconfig/network, as you saw above. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Fri Sep 26 11:34:18 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... In-Reply-To: <3F746863.5070405@visi.com> References: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030920183550.GA598@duron> <20030920231417.GA753@duron> <20030926092732.47cf9edb.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F746863.5070405@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F746A8A.5030700@cdf123.com> FYI: Just wanted to add something to this debug checklist. Download a copy of MemTest-86, load it on a floppy and let it perform all it's tests overnight. (see the readme that comes with it to make sure it runs ALL tests, and not just defaults) This just takes the Memory out of the list of possible issues. This also checks the cpu to an extent, but a good heavy load test would be much more accurate for that. I've had a few Athlon XPs not work with the DDR at full clock, so I had to run the CPU on 1Ghz rather than 1.33Ghz. Something about AMDs and DDR, ocasionally get errors reading the ram. And having bad sectors in RAM can lead to really funny errors, and crashes. Chris Frederick Sam MacDonald wrote: > This is a little long but it's the best hardware trouble shooting > process I know of. > > It's not only the motherboard that has BIOS on it. The Video, NIC, > Sound, and other adapters have BIOS on them. The BIOS on these > adapters communicates with the BIOS on the motherboard telling it what > they are and what they need to work. > > It _"sounds like_" you have a BIOS on an adapter that is causing the > machine to hang. In other words, object X tries to talk to object A > and hangs the machine. However it's usually the line, following the > last line you see, that hangs the machine. The objects could be > hardware, software, or both. > > First; you will need a log book, write everything down. > Look at the motherboard book and find out what order (direction) the > slots enumerate in1,2,3, etc > Obviously an AGP video card has it's own slot. > > Strip the machine of un-needed hardware. > If it hangs on AGP you need to make a change in either the speed > and/or memory of the AGP adapter in the motherboard BIOS. 2x, 4x, 8x > speed reducing and try reducing the amount of memory it is allowed to > use. > > > Boot > if it works, shutdown > Add 1 adapter > Boot > if it works, shutdown > Add another adapter > Boot > and so on until something _doesn't_ work > > > Some adapters need to be in low order slots to work properly, start > with sound, sound cards are notorious for causing problems. Then move > on to Network, Modem, USB, Firewire, etc... if you have them. > > Put the sound card in the first slot. (slot 1 from the book) > > Put the NIC in the next slot (slot 2 from the book) > > and so on... > > If you find an adapter that fails after the NIC, move the NIC to the > next to the last slot on the motherboard. (slot 5, on a 6 slot > motherboard, and move the non-functioning adapter to slot 2) > > If it works after that move on to the next adapter. > If it doesn't then you know what hardware to replace. > > BIG HINT - don't close the case until it all works. > > On a different note, I've had W2K installs hang because the processor > was over clocked. Slow down the processor if all else fails or if it > hangs on AGP after changing its speed and memory. > > Good luck, write everything down, then share your findings with the > TCLUGers. > > Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Sep 26 12:51:21 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hostname and mandrake In-Reply-To: <1064590279.14900.72.camel@quack> References: <3F7426CF.8070109@real-time.com> <1064590279.14900.72.camel@quack> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:31:20 -0500, Harry Penner wrote: > Is it possible it's grabbing the hostname from DNS? What does the DNS > entry for its IP address say? > [root@userimage kernel]# host 10.1.103.74 74.103.1.10.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer userimage.retek.int. 74.103.1.10.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer msppc1210.retek.int. both... > -hp3 > > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 10:18, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:45:19 -0500, Dave Sherman >> >> wrote: >> >> > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> > [snip] >> >> /etc/network/ >> >> >> >> /etc/sysconfig/network has teh proper HOSTNAME and NETWORKING=yes >> >> (that's all this file contains. >> > >> > This is normal. This is also where your hostname is set, as you saw. >> > >> >> so I started going though some files and I see this: >> > >> >> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0: >> >> >> >> DEVICE=eth0 >> >> >> >> BOOTPROTO=dhcp >> >> >> >> ONBOOT=yes >> >> >> >> NEEDHOSTNAME=yes >> >> >> >> The NEEDHOSTNAME seems fishy to me... >> >> >> >> can I comment out that line and restart netork? >> > >> > Just change the yes to a no. You can also set a different hostname >> here >> > if you want (some people use a different hostname for each NIC, or >> > perhaps for other purposes), with the HOSTNAME line like the one you >> saw >> > in /etc/sysconfig/network. >> > >> no love yet... >> >> Changed yes to NO and put a HOSTNAME line in here. Rebooted and came >> back >> with the msppc1210 hostname >> >> I then saw that /etc/sysconfig/networking had a ifcfg-lo file and that >> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-lo was a link back to >> /etc/sysconfig/networking/ifcfg-lo >> >> I then moved /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 to >> /etc/sysconfig/networking/ifcfg-eth0 and made a link link ifcfg-lo has >> >> I rebooted and then the hostname was userimage. Crap. >> >> I'm now searching the whole system for files containing msppc1210 or >> userimage >> >> >> >> OR >> >> >> >> how do you set hostname without using GUI tools (that seem to bork >> the >> >> system up..) >> > >> > It's already set in /etc/sysconfig/network, as you saw above. >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Sep 26 13:01:22 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... In-Reply-To: <3F746A8A.5030700@cdf123.com> References: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030920183550.GA598@duron> <20030920231417.GA753@duron> <20030926092732.47cf9edb.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F746863.5070405@visi.com> <3F746A8A.5030700@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20030926130122.6b03010a.sfertch@real-time.com> Thanks for the info Chris on Memtest-86. Just downloaded and will run it tonight. Sam, thanks for the rundown. It's a process I'm very familiar with, but haven't had time to fully implement yet on this system. That is the exact steps I was going to take this weekend to try and troubleshoot why it's not loading. I have components that I know work with Linux in the system already (sound and NIC), however the Mobo, ram and AGP video card are untested on Linux in my perspective. Meaning, I've gotten them to work. I have a pci video card that I know works with Linux that I'm going to use as a test card. Hopefully I'll have conclusive information by the weekend sometime. This is extremely frustrating for me on why it's not loading. I've only had one other time it wouldn't, and it was because of an unsupported SCSI controller in a full SCSI system. Yet, there isn't any SCSI or SCSI emulation on this system. Will post info as I finish my tests this weekend. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Fri Sep 26 13:03:49 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can this be done with sed? maybe awk? ... Message-ID: <3F747F85.2DC7CE3@ppdonline.com> Hello, I have a text file full of records, one record per line. I'd like to do a keyword search similar to... sed -n /keyword/p but return not only the matching line, I also want the previous three and the next three with it (if there are less than three in either direction I want as many as possible). Since sed is a stream editor I believe it only receives one line at a time so it may not be possible to do this, would awk give me the additional capability I need? How about sed with a little shell scripting. I know someone will suggest Perl but I don't know it and don't really want to learn it today so let's save that for a last resort. Any other ideas? Thanks, Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Sep 26 13:12:55 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can this be done with sed? maybe awk? ... In-Reply-To: <3F747F85.2DC7CE3@ppdonline.com> References: <3F747F85.2DC7CE3@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20030926181255.GA15489@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 01:03:49PM -0500, Ben Bargabus wrote: > I have a text file full of records, one record per line. I'd like to do > a keyword search similar to... > > sed -n /keyword/p > > but return not only the matching line, I also want the previous three > and the next three with it (if there are less than three in either > direction I want as many as possible). Since sed is a stream editor I > believe it only receives one line at a time so it may not be possible to > do this, would awk give me the additional capability I need? How about > sed with a little shell scripting. I know someone will suggest Perl but > I don't know it and don't really want to learn it today so let's save > that for a last resort. Any other ideas? man grep grep -3 keyword file ... -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Fri Sep 26 13:23:08 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... In-Reply-To: <20030926130122.6b03010a.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030920183550.GA598@duron> <20030920231417.GA753@duron> <20030926092732.47cf9edb.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F746863.5070405@visi.com> <3F746A8A.5030700@cdf123.com> <20030926130122.6b03010a.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F74840C.3030402@cdf123.com> One more thing that I forgot to mention (sorry, I havn't been keeping up with this thread very well) Does the motherboard support ACPI? If so, try loading with out acpi (acpi=off) or disabling it in the bios. My compaq laptop dies after kernal load sometimes and all I do is turn off acpi and it works fine then. Hope that helps (and sorry if it was mentioned before). Chris Frederick Shawn wrote: >Thanks for the info Chris on Memtest-86. Just downloaded and will run it tonight. > >Sam, thanks for the rundown. It's a process I'm very familiar with, but haven't had time to fully implement yet on this system. That is the exact steps I was going to take this weekend to try and troubleshoot why it's not loading. I have components that I know work with Linux in the system already (sound and NIC), however the Mobo, ram and AGP video card are untested on Linux in my perspective. Meaning, I've gotten them to work. I have a pci video card that I know works with Linux that I'm going to use as a test card. Hopefully I'll have conclusive information by the weekend sometime. > >This is extremely frustrating for me on why it's not loading. I've only had one other time it wouldn't, and it was because of an unsupported SCSI controller in a full SCSI system. Yet, there isn't any SCSI or SCSI emulation on this system. > >Will post info as I finish my tests this weekend. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 26 13:33:35 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... In-Reply-To: <20030926130122.6b03010a.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030920183550.GA598@duron> <20030920231417.GA753@duron> <20030926092732.47cf9edb.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F746863.5070405@visi.com> <3F746A8A.5030700@cdf123.com> <20030926130122.6b03010a.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F74867F.4030202@visi.com> What processor do you have in the machine, it just occurred to me that some of the new processors do some sort of forking, or piping, or something that can make them appear as 2 processors, I can't remember what it's called. Had this happen on a W2K machine, I had to open the case to be sure the machine only had 1 processor, thought I built the wrong machine for a moment. Sam. Shawn wrote: >Thanks for the info Chris on Memtest-86. Just downloaded and will run it tonight. > >Sam, thanks for the rundown. It's a process I'm very familiar with, but haven't had time to fully implement yet on this system. That is the exact steps I was going to take this weekend to try and troubleshoot why it's not loading. I have components that I know work with Linux in the system already (sound and NIC), however the Mobo, ram and AGP video card are untested on Linux in my perspective. Meaning, I've gotten them to work. I have a pci video card that I know works with Linux that I'm going to use as a test card. Hopefully I'll have conclusive information by the weekend sometime. > >This is extremely frustrating for me on why it's not loading. I've only had one other time it wouldn't, and it was because of an unsupported SCSI controller in a full SCSI system. Yet, there isn't any SCSI or SCSI emulation on this system. > >Will post info as I finish my tests this weekend. > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Sep 26 13:44:58 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... In-Reply-To: <3F74867F.4030202@visi.com> References: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030920183550.GA598@duron> <20030920231417.GA753@duron> <20030926092732.47cf9edb.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F746863.5070405@visi.com> <3F746A8A.5030700@cdf123.com> <20030926130122.6b03010a.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F74867F.4030202@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030926134458.4a09364a.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:33:35 -0500 Sam MacDonald wrote: > What processor do you have in the machine, it just occurred to me that > > some of the new processors do some sort of forking, or piping, or > something that can make them appear as 2 processors, I can't remember > what it's called. Had this happen on a W2K machine, I had to open the > > case to be sure the machine only had 1 processor, thought I built the > wrong machine for a moment. > It's a P4 2.53 GHz processor on an MSI mobo. Hyperthreading is what you're probably thinking. My understanding was that Windows did not support it until XP. However, I do not think this is the issue. One of the people I work with has almost the exact system, and he's able to run linux on it. About the only difference is the mobo. Chris, it does have ACPI but it's never been an issue previously. Will also include that in diagnostics. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Sep 26 13:44:37 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... In-Reply-To: <3F74867F.4030202@visi.com> References: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030920183550.GA598@duron> <20030920231417.GA753@duron> <20030926092732.47cf9edb.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F746863.5070405@visi.com> <3F746A8A.5030700@cdf123.com> <20030926130122.6b03010a.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F74867F.4030202@visi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:33:35 -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > What processor do you have in the machine, it just occurred to me that > some of the new processors do some sort of forking, or piping, or > something that can make them appear as 2 processors, I can't remember > what it's called. Hyperthreading - on Xeon processors... > Had this happen on a W2K machine, I had to open the case to be sure the > machine only had 1 processor, thought I built the wrong machine for a > moment. > > Sam. > > Shawn wrote: > >> Thanks for the info Chris on Memtest-86. Just downloaded and will run >> it tonight. >> >> Sam, thanks for the rundown. It's a process I'm very familiar with, >> but haven't had time to fully implement yet on this system. That is >> the exact steps I was going to take this weekend to try and >> troubleshoot why it's not loading. I have components that I know work >> with Linux in the system already (sound and NIC), however the Mobo, ram >> and AGP video card are untested on Linux in my perspective. Meaning, >> I've gotten them to work. I have a pci video card that I know works >> with Linux that I'm going to use as a test card. Hopefully I'll have >> conclusive information by the weekend sometime. >> >> This is extremely frustrating for me on why it's not loading. I've >> only had one other time it wouldn't, and it was because of an >> unsupported SCSI controller in a full SCSI system. Yet, there isn't >> any SCSI or SCSI emulation on this system. >> >> Will post info as I finish my tests this weekend. >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Fri Sep 26 14:14:27 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cat Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDC03@mail.temgweb.com> Anyone want a cat? Uhhh, he runs linux. -jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Sep 26 14:18:58 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cat In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDC03@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDC03@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030926191858.GC13168@wookimus.net> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 02:14:27PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Anyone want a cat? Uhhh, he runs linux. ROFL! I'm off to Europe on the 1st, so until we get back, we can't have any more pets. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Uhhh, he runs linux. > i can cat sit. but i do not think the landlord would like it if we got yet another cat Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Sep 26 14:25:51 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cat Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3711@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Is it baby and dog compatible? Or would I have to recompile for support? Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Austad, Jay Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:14 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: [TCLUG] cat Anyone want a cat? Uhhh, he runs linux. -jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Fri Sep 26 14:27:24 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cat In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDC03@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDC03@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030926142724.477012ac.list@slushpupie.com> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:14:27 -0500 "Austad, Jay" wrote: >Anyone want a cat? Uhhh, he runs linux. What distro does he run? (sorry.. the g/f is allergic to cats and I cannot take him) Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Fri Sep 26 14:36:22 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cat In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDC03@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDC03@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030926193622.GA3343@karl> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 02:14:27PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Anyone want a cat? Uhhh, he runs linux. Sorry, I prefer dd's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Fri Sep 26 14:40:35 2003 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cat In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDC03@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDC03@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <200309261440.35585.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Friday 26 September 2003 2:14 pm, Austad, Jay wrote: > Anyone want a cat? Uhhh, he runs linux. > > -jay Bah, his cat runs one wacked out distro, you don't even want that thing to come near your computers. Bret. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Fri Sep 26 14:48:25 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snort help Message-ID: <007301c38467$266b9af0$6aaf6742@DELL2> Anyone out there who is skilled in snort that I can get correspond with ? I have a working box on redhat, with acid, but have some gaps in my knowledge on how to set it up the way I anticipated. Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Fri Sep 26 14:52:22 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cat References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDC03@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <047901c38467$b47e4d60$d037630a@dh.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:14 PM Subject: [TCLUG] cat > Anyone want a cat? Uhhh, he runs linux. > > -jay > What 'type' ? Tom Veldhouse _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Fri Sep 26 14:54:42 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cat Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDC04@mail.temgweb.com> > Is it baby and dog compatible? Or would I have to recompile > for support? He's only been around one dog, and he didn't like it. He's skittish around people he doesn't know, but will cuddle up with you when he's around you for a week or so. He's an F-3 Bengal, registered, about 5 years old. Snow leopard with blue eyes. Pics of him at http://www.signal15.com/gallery His brother died. :( He's lonely, so it would be nice if went somewhere that had another cat. The blue eyes are actually a BSOD, he runs windows. I lied. -jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Sep 26 15:10:38 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cat In-Reply-To: <20030926191858.GC13168@wookimus.net> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDC03@mail.temgweb.com> <20030926191858.GC13168@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030926151038.000031b4.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 02:14:27PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Anyone want a cat? Uhhh, he runs linux. Perhaps you should use the TCLUG classified. :) Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Sep 26 15:16:19 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free training opportunity In-Reply-To: <20030925143827.GE764@fandre.com> References: <20030925143827.GE764@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030926201618.GB12067@fandre.com> There are still a few spots left if anyone is interested. On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > Greetings fellow TCLUGers, > Novell has offered the TCLUG an opportunity to attend two > Novell/Linux classes free of charge. There are 15 seats available for > an introduction to "Why is Novell into Linux. Why HP,IBM and Dell say > Novell is the best thing for Linux" On Monday the 29th from 1:00 PM > till 5 PM find out with hands on why Novell is into Linux. On Tuesday > the 30 from 8:00 am till 11:00 get an understanding of Ximian Desktop > and the management of services delivered. This will be held at the > 8500 Normandale Lake Tower in Bloomington. Please write a one > paragraph message why you would like to attend and you will be in the > running for one of the 15 seats. This would normally cost $500 to > attend. > > Since there isn't much time left, please try to get back to me ASAP. > > Please send submissions to clay@fandre.com. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us Fri Sep 26 15:27:43 2003 From: Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... In-Reply-To: <3F746A8A.5030700@cdf123.com> References: <3F746A8A.5030700@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <1064608063.804.6.camel@petra> FWIW, if you have USB device(s) plugged in, try unplugging them. I've seen boxes fail to boot for no other reason than there was a USB hard drive plugged in. On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 11:34, Chris Frederick wrote: FYI: Just wanted to add something to this debug checklist. Download a copy of MemTest-86, load it on a floppy and let it perform all it's tests overnight. (see the readme that comes with it to make sure it runs ALL tests, and not just defaults) This just takes the Memory out of the list of possible issues. This also checks the cpu to an extent, but a good heavy load test would be much more accurate for that. I've had a few Athlon XPs not work with the DDR at full clock, so I had to run the CPU on 1Ghz rather than 1.33Ghz. Something about AMDs and DDR, ocasionally get errors reading the ram. And having bad sectors in RAM can lead to really funny errors, and crashes. Chris Frederick Sam MacDonald wrote: > This is a little long but it's the best hardware trouble shooting > process I know of. > > It's not only the motherboard that has BIOS on it. The Video, NIC, > Sound, and other adapters have BIOS on them. The BIOS on these > adapters communicates with the BIOS on the motherboard telling it what > they are and what they need to work. > > It _"sounds like_" you have a BIOS on an adapter that is causing the > machine to hang. In other words, object X tries to talk to object A > and hangs the machine. However it's usually the line, following the > last line you see, that hangs the machine. The objects could be > hardware, software, or both. > > First; you will need a log book, write everything down. > Look at the motherboard book and find out what order (direction) the > slots enumerate in1,2,3, etc > Obviously an AGP video card has it's own slot. > > Strip the machine of un-needed hardware. > If it hangs on AGP you need to make a change in either the speed > and/or memory of the AGP adapter in the motherboard BIOS. 2x, 4x, 8x > speed reducing and try reducing the amount of memory it is allowed to > use. > > > Boot > if it works, shutdown > Add 1 adapter > Boot > if it works, shutdown > Add another adapter > Boot > and so on until something _doesn't_ work > > > Some adapters need to be in low order slots to work properly, start > with sound, sound cards are notorious for causing problems. Then move > on to Network, Modem, USB, Firewire, etc... if you have them. > > Put the sound card in the first slot. (slot 1 from the book) > > Put the NIC in the next slot (slot 2 from the book) > > and so on... > > If you find an adapter that fails after the NIC, move the NIC to the > next to the last slot on the motherboard. (slot 5, on a 6 slot > motherboard, and move the non-functioning adapter to slot 2) > > If it works after that move on to the next adapter. > If it doesn't then you know what hardware to replace. > > BIG HINT - don't close the case until it all works. > > On a different note, I've had W2K installs hang because the processor > was over clocked. Slow down the processor if all else fails or if it > hangs on AGP after changing its speed and memory. > > Good luck, write everything down, then share your findings with the > TCLUGers. > > Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Sep 26 15:32:26 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... In-Reply-To: <1064608063.804.6.camel@petra> References: <3F746A8A.5030700@cdf123.com> <1064608063.804.6.camel@petra> Message-ID: <20030926153226.5a07bfb7.sfertch@real-time.com> On 26 Sep 2003 15:27:43 -0500 "Siems, Gregory" wrote: > FWIW, if you have USB device(s) plugged in, try unplugging them. I've > seen boxes fail to boot for no other reason than there was a USB hard > drive plugged in. > Tried it, no different. Even tried disabling the USB in the bios and still nothing. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hpenner at cbca.com Fri Sep 26 15:21:41 2003 From: hpenner at cbca.com (Harry Penner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hostname and mandrake In-Reply-To: References: <3F7426CF.8070109@real-time.com> <1064590279.14900.72.camel@quack> Message-ID: <1064607700.21135.12.camel@quack> Well... it won't solve the problem of not really knowing how the hostname is set but changing the DNS entry -- forward and reverse -- to the desired hostname seems like it might work if you uncomment the 'NEEDHOSTNAME=yes' line again. Might want to check /etc/hosts too, if you haven't already. Sorry, not really a mandrake guy. :-/ -hp3 On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 12:51, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:31:20 -0500, Harry Penner wrote: > > > Is it possible it's grabbing the hostname from DNS? What does the DNS > > entry for its IP address say? > > > > [root@userimage kernel]# host 10.1.103.74 > 74.103.1.10.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer userimage.retek.int. > 74.103.1.10.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer msppc1210.retek.int. > > > both... > > > > -hp3 > > > > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 10:18, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > >> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:45:19 -0500, Dave Sherman > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > >> > [snip] > >> >> /etc/network/ > >> >> > >> >> /etc/sysconfig/network has teh proper HOSTNAME and NETWORKING=yes > >> >> (that's all this file contains. > >> > > >> > This is normal. This is also where your hostname is set, as you saw. > >> > > >> >> so I started going though some files and I see this: > >> > > >> >> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0: > >> >> > >> >> DEVICE=eth0 > >> >> > >> >> BOOTPROTO=dhcp > >> >> > >> >> ONBOOT=yes > >> >> > >> >> NEEDHOSTNAME=yes > >> >> > >> >> The NEEDHOSTNAME seems fishy to me... > >> >> > >> >> can I comment out that line and restart netork? > >> > > >> > Just change the yes to a no. You can also set a different hostname > >> here > >> > if you want (some people use a different hostname for each NIC, or > >> > perhaps for other purposes), with the HOSTNAME line like the one you > >> saw > >> > in /etc/sysconfig/network. > >> > > >> no love yet... > >> > >> Changed yes to NO and put a HOSTNAME line in here. Rebooted and came > >> back > >> with the msppc1210 hostname > >> > >> I then saw that /etc/sysconfig/networking had a ifcfg-lo file and that > >> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-lo was a link back to > >> /etc/sysconfig/networking/ifcfg-lo > >> > >> I then moved /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 to > >> /etc/sysconfig/networking/ifcfg-eth0 and made a link link ifcfg-lo has > >> > >> I rebooted and then the hostname was userimage. Crap. > >> > >> I'm now searching the whole system for files containing msppc1210 or > >> userimage > >> > >> > >> >> OR > >> >> > >> >> how do you set hostname without using GUI tools (that seem to bork > >> the > >> >> system up..) > >> > > >> > It's already set in /etc/sysconfig/network, as you saw above. > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Sep 26 15:46:13 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hostname and mandrake In-Reply-To: <1064607700.21135.12.camel@quack> References: <3F7426CF.8070109@real-time.com> <1064590279.14900.72.camel@quack> <1064607700.21135.12.camel@quack> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:21:41 -0500, Harry Penner wrote: > Well... it won't solve the problem of not really knowing how the > hostname is set but changing the DNS entry -- forward and reverse -- to > the desired hostname seems like it might work if you uncomment the > 'NEEDHOSTNAME=yes' line again. > > Might want to check /etc/hosts too, if you haven't already. > > Sorry, not really a mandrake guy. :-/ > No problem ... I'm having fun not working :) I just installed webmin.. it seemd to change it a bit more: [meierjo@userimage meierjo]$ host 10.1.103.74 74.103.1.10.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer msppc1210.retek.int. 74.103.1.10.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer userimage.retek.int. 74.103.1.10.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer tools_linux2.retek.int. [meierjo@userimage meierjo]$ at least it's in DNS now... machine still thinks it's userimage.... getting closer. > -hp3 > > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 12:51, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:31:20 -0500, Harry Penner >> wrote: >> >> > Is it possible it's grabbing the hostname from DNS? What does the DNS >> > entry for its IP address say? >> > >> >> [root@userimage kernel]# host 10.1.103.74 >> 74.103.1.10.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer userimage.retek.int. >> 74.103.1.10.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer msppc1210.retek.int. >> >> >> both... >> >> >> > -hp3 >> > >> > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 10:18, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> >> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:45:19 -0500, Dave Sherman >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> >> > [snip] >> >> >> /etc/network/ >> >> >> >> >> >> /etc/sysconfig/network has teh proper HOSTNAME and NETWORKING=yes >> >> >> (that's all this file contains. >> >> > >> >> > This is normal. This is also where your hostname is set, as you >> saw. >> >> > >> >> >> so I started going though some files and I see this: >> >> > >> >> >> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0: >> >> >> >> >> >> DEVICE=eth0 >> >> >> >> >> >> BOOTPROTO=dhcp >> >> >> >> >> >> ONBOOT=yes >> >> >> >> >> >> NEEDHOSTNAME=yes >> >> >> >> >> >> The NEEDHOSTNAME seems fishy to me... >> >> >> >> >> >> can I comment out that line and restart netork? >> >> > >> >> > Just change the yes to a no. You can also set a different hostname >> >> here >> >> > if you want (some people use a different hostname for each NIC, or >> >> > perhaps for other purposes), with the HOSTNAME line like the one >> you >> >> saw >> >> > in /etc/sysconfig/network. >> >> > >> >> no love yet... >> >> >> >> Changed yes to NO and put a HOSTNAME line in here. Rebooted and came >> >> back >> >> with the msppc1210 hostname >> >> >> >> I then saw that /etc/sysconfig/networking had a ifcfg-lo file and >> that >> >> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-lo was a link back to >> >> /etc/sysconfig/networking/ifcfg-lo >> >> >> >> I then moved /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 to >> >> /etc/sysconfig/networking/ifcfg-eth0 and made a link link ifcfg-lo >> has >> >> >> >> I rebooted and then the hostname was userimage. Crap. >> >> >> >> I'm now searching the whole system for files containing msppc1210 or >> >> userimage >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OR >> >> >> >> >> >> how do you set hostname without using GUI tools (that seem to bork >> >> the >> >> >> system up..) >> >> > >> >> > It's already set in /etc/sysconfig/network, as you saw above. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Sep 26 15:55:45 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free training opportunity In-Reply-To: <20030926201618.GB12067@fandre.com> References: <20030925143827.GE764@fandre.com> <20030926201618.GB12067@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030926205545.GA14535@fandre.com> One more thing I forgot to mention, there will be a free lunch served after the Tuesday class. And since we have some open seats, feel free to show upeven if you didn't sign up in advanced. -- Clay On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > There are still a few spots left if anyone is interested. > > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Greetings fellow TCLUGers, > > Novell has offered the TCLUG an opportunity to attend two > > Novell/Linux classes free of charge. There are 15 seats available for > > an introduction to "Why is Novell into Linux. Why HP,IBM and Dell say > > Novell is the best thing for Linux" On Monday the 29th from 1:00 PM > > till 5 PM find out with hands on why Novell is into Linux. On Tuesday > > the 30 from 8:00 am till 11:00 get an understanding of Ximian Desktop > > and the management of services delivered. This will be held at the > > 8500 Normandale Lake Tower in Bloomington. Please write a one > > paragraph message why you would like to attend and you will be in the > > running for one of the 15 seats. This would normally cost $500 to > > attend. > > > > Since there isn't much time left, please try to get back to me ASAP. > > > > Please send submissions to clay@fandre.com. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Sep 26 15:55:45 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Re: [TCLUG] Free training opportunity In-Reply-To: <20030926201618.GB12067@fandre.com> References: <20030925143827.GE764@fandre.com> <20030926201618.GB12067@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030926205545.GA14535@fandre.com> One more thing I forgot to mention, there will be a free lunch served after the Tuesday class. And since we have some open seats, feel free to show upeven if you didn't sign up in advanced. -- Clay On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > There are still a few spots left if anyone is interested. > > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Greetings fellow TCLUGers, > > Novell has offered the TCLUG an opportunity to attend two > > Novell/Linux classes free of charge. There are 15 seats available for > > an introduction to "Why is Novell into Linux. Why HP,IBM and Dell say > > Novell is the best thing for Linux" On Monday the 29th from 1:00 PM > > till 5 PM find out with hands on why Novell is into Linux. On Tuesday > > the 30 from 8:00 am till 11:00 get an understanding of Ximian Desktop > > and the management of services delivered. This will be held at the > > 8500 Normandale Lake Tower in Bloomington. Please write a one > > paragraph message why you would like to attend and you will be in the > > running for one of the 15 seats. This would normally cost $500 to > > attend. > > > > Since there isn't much time left, please try to get back to me ASAP. > > > > Please send submissions to clay@fandre.com. > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Fri Sep 26 15:57:30 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Prestidigitators of Procmail Message-ID: <3F74A83A.6060907@cleosci.com> I am having a problem where I can't seem to find the right direction. My procmail won't split multiple copies of the same message. Can this be done? For example: To: Fred@bozo.com To: Bill@bozo.com Fred will get the message, but Bill will not. Assume that both Fred and bill are vaild users on the system, here's my file .procmailrc: =================== :0: * ^(From | Cc | To):.*Fred@bozo.com ! Fred :0: * ^(From | Cc | To):.*Bill@bozo.com ! Bill ==================== Any ideas? I haven't played with procmail much before this so I could easily be missing pieces. Thanks! Garrett Krueger _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gfischer at visi.com Fri Sep 26 16:21:46 2003 From: gfischer at visi.com (George Fischer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD audio problem Message-ID: <878yobmej9.fsf@visi.com> I just recently got a supported sound card for my GNU/Linux box (Creative Soundblaster 16 PCI). It's nice to be able to listen to my ogg files, but I can't get the dvdrom drive to play audio cds. Or dvds for that matter. It works fine as a data drive, but when I try to play a cd (with xmms, for example, or grip) it gives me an "Unable to read Table of Contents" error. Xmms is looking at /dev/cdrom, which is a link to /dev/hdc. The permissions on hdc are brw-rw-r--. (I also tried with write and executable access for everyone - same error). It is a Toshiba SD-M1202 ATAPI DVD-ROM. I double checked that the cable is connected correctly from the drive to the soundcard (even though this problem does not really seem like a disconnected cable). I'm at a loss here. Could the driver not support cd audio for this drive? I'm running kernel 2.4.20 (it's a Debian sid machine). Any ideas? -- George Fischer - gfischer@visi.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Sep 26 16:22:43 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Prestidigitators of Procmail In-Reply-To: <3F74A83A.6060907@cleosci.com> References: <3F74A83A.6060907@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <20030926212243.GA20187@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 03:57:30PM -0500, gkrueger wrote: > I am having a problem where I can't seem to find the right direction. > My procmail won't split multiple copies of the same message. Can this > be done? For example: > To: Fred@bozo.com > To: Bill@bozo.com > > Fred will get the message, but Bill will not. > > Assume that both Fred and bill are vaild users on the system, here's my > file .procmailrc: > > =================== > :0: > * ^(From | Cc | To):.*Fred@bozo.com > ! Fred > > :0: > * ^(From | Cc | To):.*Bill@bozo.com > ! Bill > ==================== > > Any ideas? I haven't played with procmail much before this so I could > easily be missing pieces. Thanks! > I'm not 100% sure what the problem is, but this snippet from procmailrc(5) might be relevant: You can tell procmail to treat a delivering recipe as if it were a non-delivering recipe by specifying the `c' flag on such a recipe. This will make procmail generate a carbon copy of the mail by delivering it to this recipe, yet continue processing the rcfile. I think by default procmail only applies the first pattern that matches. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Sep 26 16:25:20 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Prestidigitators of Procmail In-Reply-To: <3F74A83A.6060907@cleosci.com> References: <3F74A83A.6060907@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <20030926212520.GA14018@wookimus.net> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 03:57:30PM -0500, gkrueger wrote: > Assume that both Fred and bill are vaild users on the system, here's > my file .procmailrc: > > =================== > :0: > * ^(From | Cc | To):.*Fred@bozo.com > ! Fred > > :0: > * ^(From | Cc | To):.*Bill@bozo.com > ! Bill > ==================== > > Any ideas? I haven't played with procmail much before this so I could > easily be missing pieces. Thanks! Use the "c" flag if you want the mail to "continue" processing with subsequent recipes. ":0:" is a delivery recipes; if the match occurs, and the email is sent, processing stops. Also remember that spaces are important. Your recipes should look like this: :0 c: * ^(From|Cc|To):.*Fred@bozo\.com ! Fred :0: * ^(From|Cc|To):.*Bill@bozo\.com ! Bill # Strange recipe, by the way. ;-p -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Your basic problem is that once procmail has delivered a message, it is done with that message and it stops. A way around that is to use the 'c' flag on the first line of a recipe. That flag makes another copy of the message that will get passed on to the next recipe. So I think you want your first recipe to read: :0c: * ^(From | Cc | To):.*Fred@bozo.com ! Fred -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Sep 26 16:30:06 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Prestidigitators of Procmail In-Reply-To: <3F74A83A.6060907@cleosci.com> References: <3F74A83A.6060907@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <20030926213006.GB14018@wookimus.net> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 03:57:30PM -0500, gkrueger wrote: > I am having a problem where I can't seem to find the right direction. > My procmail won't split multiple copies of the same message. Can this > be done? For example: > To: Fred@bozo.com > To: Bill@bozo.com Just curious. Why aren't you trying to use your email server's virtual addresses file? # /etc/postfix/virtuserstable # Virtual domain names to local user mapping @bozo.com # Bozo domain fred@bozo.com fred bill@bozo.com bill -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030926/fdc19480/attachment.pgp From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 26 16:56:24 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... In-Reply-To: References: <20030919205103.1681c818.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030920183550.GA598@duron> <20030920231417.GA753@duron> <20030926092732.47cf9edb.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F746863.5070405@visi.com> <3F746A8A.5030700@cdf123.com> <20030926130122.6b03010a.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F74867F.4030202@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F74B608.3010404@visi.com> THAT'S IT! :) Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:33:35 -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > >> What processor do you have in the machine, it just occurred to me >> that some of the new processors do some sort of forking, or piping, >> or something that can make them appear as 2 processors, I can't >> remember what it's called. > > > Hyperthreading - on Xeon processors... > >> Had this happen on a W2K machine, I had to open the case to be sure >> the machine only had 1 processor, thought I built the wrong machine >> for a moment. >> >> Sam. >> >> Shawn wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the info Chris on Memtest-86. Just downloaded and will >>> run it tonight. >>> >>> Sam, thanks for the rundown. It's a process I'm very familiar with, >>> but haven't had time to fully implement yet on this system. That is >>> the exact steps I was going to take this weekend to try and >>> troubleshoot why it's not loading. I have components that I know >>> work with Linux in the system already (sound and NIC), however the >>> Mobo, ram and AGP video card are untested on Linux in my >>> perspective. Meaning, I've gotten them to work. I have a pci video >>> card that I know works with Linux that I'm going to use as a test >>> card. Hopefully I'll have conclusive information by the weekend >>> sometime. >>> >>> This is extremely frustrating for me on why it's not loading. I've >>> only had one other time it wouldn't, and it was because of an >>> unsupported SCSI controller in a full SCSI system. Yet, there isn't >>> any SCSI or SCSI emulation on this system. >>> >>> Will post info as I finish my tests this weekend. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Fri Sep 26 16:42:19 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD audio problem In-Reply-To: <878yobmej9.fsf@visi.com> References: <878yobmej9.fsf@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030926164219.4d9951bf.william.layer@comcast.net> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:21:46 -0500 George Fischer wrote: > Xmms is looking at /dev/cdrom, which is a link to /dev/hdc. The > permissions on hdc are brw-rw-r--. Sounds like /dev/hdc may not be the cd-rom drive.. if you are running ide-scsi, the first cdrom will be /dev/scd0. Read the dmesg and see if the cdrom drive is being picked up, and as as an IDE or SCSI device. -L _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hpenner at cbca.com Fri Sep 26 16:19:29 2003 From: hpenner at cbca.com (Harry Penner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hostname and mandrake In-Reply-To: References: <3F7426CF.8070109@real-time.com> <1064590279.14900.72.camel@quack> <1064607700.21135.12.camel@quack> Message-ID: <1064611169.21134.67.camel@quack> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 15:46, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:21:41 -0500, Harry Penner wrote: > > > Well... it won't solve the problem of not really knowing how the > > hostname is set but changing the DNS entry -- forward and reverse -- to > > the desired hostname seems like it might work if you uncomment the > > 'NEEDHOSTNAME=yes' line again. > > > > Might want to check /etc/hosts too, if you haven't already. > > > > Sorry, not really a mandrake guy. :-/ > > > > No problem ... I'm having fun not working :) > > I just installed webmin.. it seemd to change it a bit more: > [meierjo@userimage meierjo]$ host 10.1.103.74 > 74.103.1.10.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer msppc1210.retek.int. > 74.103.1.10.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer userimage.retek.int. > 74.103.1.10.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer tools_linux2.retek.int. > [meierjo@userimage meierjo]$ > You should take out the reverse DNS entries for the old host names, I would think? In the (increasingly unlikely) event that it's using reverse DNS to look up its hostname, you don't want it to have a choice. Also, something I just thought of: possibly it's getting its hostname from DHCP? Check your DHCP server config in case it's getting a static address assignment complete with hostname. (That's /etc/dhcpd.conf on my DHCP server, FWIW). -hp3 > > at least it's in DNS now... machine still thinks it's userimage.... > getting closer. > > > -hp3 > > > > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 12:51, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > >> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:31:20 -0500, Harry Penner > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Is it possible it's grabbing the hostname from DNS? What does the DNS > >> > entry for its IP address say? > >> > > >> > >> [root@userimage kernel]# host 10.1.103.74 > >> 74.103.1.10.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer userimage.retek.int. > >> 74.103.1.10.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer msppc1210.retek.int. > >> > >> > >> both... > >> > >> > >> > -hp3 > >> > > >> > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 10:18, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > >> >> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:45:19 -0500, Dave Sherman > >> >> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > >> >> > [snip] > >> >> >> /etc/network/ > >> >> >> > >> >> >> /etc/sysconfig/network has teh proper HOSTNAME and NETWORKING=yes > >> >> >> (that's all this file contains. > >> >> > > >> >> > This is normal. This is also where your hostname is set, as you > >> saw. > >> >> > > >> >> >> so I started going though some files and I see this: > >> >> > > >> >> >> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> DEVICE=eth0 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> BOOTPROTO=dhcp > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ONBOOT=yes > >> >> >> > >> >> >> NEEDHOSTNAME=yes > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The NEEDHOSTNAME seems fishy to me... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> can I comment out that line and restart netork? > >> >> > > >> >> > Just change the yes to a no. You can also set a different hostname > >> >> here > >> >> > if you want (some people use a different hostname for each NIC, or > >> >> > perhaps for other purposes), with the HOSTNAME line like the one > >> you > >> >> saw > >> >> > in /etc/sysconfig/network. > >> >> > > >> >> no love yet... > >> >> > >> >> Changed yes to NO and put a HOSTNAME line in here. Rebooted and came > >> >> back > >> >> with the msppc1210 hostname > >> >> > >> >> I then saw that /etc/sysconfig/networking had a ifcfg-lo file and > >> that > >> >> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-lo was a link back to > >> >> /etc/sysconfig/networking/ifcfg-lo > >> >> > >> >> I then moved /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 to > >> >> /etc/sysconfig/networking/ifcfg-eth0 and made a link link ifcfg-lo > >> has > >> >> > >> >> I rebooted and then the hostname was userimage. Crap. > >> >> > >> >> I'm now searching the whole system for files containing msppc1210 or > >> >> userimage > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> OR > >> >> >> > >> >> >> how do you set hostname without using GUI tools (that seem to bork > >> >> the > >> >> >> system up..) > >> >> > > >> >> > It's already set in /etc/sysconfig/network, as you saw above. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 26 17:02:40 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cat In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDC04@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDC04@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <3F74B780.6010908@visi.com> I thought you did a setterm -foreground blue? :-D Wish I could help, my Wife and my Daughter are both allergic. Sam. Austad, Jay wrote: >>Is it baby and dog compatible? Or would I have to recompile >>for support? >> >> > >He's only been around one dog, and he didn't like it. He's skittish around >people he doesn't know, but will cuddle up with you when he's around you for >a week or so. He's an F-3 Bengal, registered, about 5 years old. Snow >leopard with blue eyes. Pics of him at http://www.signal15.com/gallery > >His brother died. :( He's lonely, so it would be nice if went somewhere >that had another cat. The blue eyes are actually a BSOD, he runs windows. >I lied. > >-jay > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 26 17:04:31 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: IBM Age Discrimination Law Suit] Message-ID: <3F74B7EF.8030906@visi.com> Another wonderful reason to dislike IBM. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: IBM Age Discrimination Law Suit Date: 26 Sep 2003 17:30:14 -0000 From: Alliance@IBM Reply-To: notice-reply-8d5bkw2h5d6e@unionvoice.org To: Samuel MacDonald News and links for IBM employees, contractors and retirees concerned with workplace issues please visit www.allianceibm.org Brought to you by the Alliance@IBM/CWA Local 1701, the National organizing campaign for IBM employees --------------------------------------------------------------------- You can now join the age discrimination in layoffs suit, but time is short. The deadline for signing up is October 1, but do not wait until then. Please sign up now, today. Anyone who was laid off by IBM and is older than 40 can join the suit whether or not you filed an EEOC complaint. After meeting with several firms and spending many hours discussing with these firms we have a decision: The firm that will represent us and that will file our age discrimination suit is: McTeague, Higbee, Case, Cohen, Whitney & Tolan, PA , 4 Union Park PO Box 5000 Topsham, Maine 04086 The attorneys are: Patrick McTeague pmcteague@maine-law.com and Jeff Young jyoung@me-law.com their toll free phone number is 800-482-09 58 or you can call 207-725-5581 Fax 207-725-1090 41 of us met with Patrick McTeague and Jeff Young yesterday in two meetings in Essex Junction, Vermont and over a teleconference link that included former IBMers in San Jose, Atlanta, New York, Charlette, Austin, and Vermont. The McTeague firm practices employment law and they have extensive experience with complex class action cases. They have substantial experience and expertise in age discrimination litigation against large companies. They seem to really know their stuff. We _need a minimum of 50 people_ to join the suit, but we think many more will want to join. We need as many as possible. If we have more than 100 join, our cost will go down. We are hoping that hundreds will join the suit. The two attorneys seem confident that they can beat the waiver. That will be the first item in the suit. There is a very strong sense of urgency to file the suit by October 1 since many of us received letters from the EEOC saying we have 90 (or 60) days to file a suit in federal court. That means that _if we miss that deadline by even one day we lose all rights_. Time is up for some on or shortly after October 1, and we all should file in one case that names each of us as a plaintiff. So time is of the essence. We worked very hard to find experienced attorneys during these past two months. It was difficult because we had all signed the waiver and most firms were unsure how to handle that problem. This firm has experience and knowledge with the law that protects older workers, and we feel that they can do an excellent job and that they can overcome the waiver. The cost is $500.00 per person. This money will be applied for legal fees and expenses for overcoming the waiver. Only if we win on that issue we will then need to put in another $500 per person to go only toward actual expenses (and not toward legal fees). Expenses include hiring expert witnesses for proving our age discrimination case. _That total of $1000 each will be the total out of pocket amount for the entire case, including any appeal._ The law firm will only collect a substantial fee if they win the case. They will then share in the winnings. The share the attorneys get depends on how many of us join the suit. Their share goes down if we have more join. If 50 join, the attorney share will be 33%, if more than 100 join, it goes down to 25%. Our time is very short. Please do not delay. Once rights are lost they cannot be recovered. We need to have all interested signed up by October 1...sooner if possible. I would suggest that if you are interested that we wrap this up by Friday, if possible. You can pay with a credit card over the phone. Or you can send a check in the mail. Please do not delay. Please call or e-mail so that they can send you a package with information on the firm and a retainer agreement. *Even if you did not file a claim with EEOC you can participate in this suit. * One attractive feature is that if someone's particular case is dismissed and others prevail, the person whose case is dismissed will get his or her money back in full. We have all been harmed by IBM's age discriminatory actions, and by joining together we have a good chance of winning back pay including benefits, front pay, added retirement, and retirement medical. Some of this is doubled if we prove that IBM intentionally discriminated. So please consider carefully. I know this is very personal for some, but we have children who will some day grow up and work for a living. We certainly do not want them humiliated and treated as we have been when they get older. It is past due. We have a great opportunity to really make a difference, not just for ourselves but for other IBMers and for workers at other companies too. Let's take advantage of it. Please feel free to call Antonio Rivera at home at 845-227-3619 after 6:00 pm or at work 845-878-2094 ext 219. Or Jimmy Leas at 802 864-1575. Let's do it! Antonio Rivera and Jimmy Leas ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the web address below to tell your co-workers about this. Tell-a-friend! If you received this message from a friend, you can sign up for Alliance@IBM . If you would like to unsubscribe from Alliance@IBM, or update your account settings, please click here or respond to this email with "REMOVE" as the subject line. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gfischer at visi.com Fri Sep 26 17:09:01 2003 From: gfischer at visi.com (George Fischer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD audio problem In-Reply-To: <20030926164219.4d9951bf.william.layer@comcast.net> (Bill Layer's message of "Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:42:19 -0500") References: <878yobmej9.fsf@visi.com> <20030926164219.4d9951bf.william.layer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <87zngrkxs2.fsf@visi.com> Well, I had been looking at this: hda: Maxtor 91296D6, ATA DISK drive hdb: WDC WD800BB-00CAA1, ATA DISK drive hdc: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1202, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive hdd: IOMEGA ZIP 100 ATAPI, ATAPI FLOPPY drive But then I checked /etc/fstab (because I knew I could moutn data cds on /cdrom) and I found this: #/dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noauto 0 0 /dev/sr0 /cdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noauto 0 0 So I went back to dmesg and found this: scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices Vendor: IOMEGA Model: ZIP 100 Rev: 14.A Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00 Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: DVD-ROM SD-M1202 Rev: 1020 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 A quick adjustment of the permissions on /dev/sr0, and I'm listening to a cd. Thanks. Bill Layer writes: > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:21:46 -0500 > George Fischer wrote: > >> Xmms is looking at /dev/cdrom, which is a link to /dev/hdc. The >> permissions on hdc are brw-rw-r--. > > Sounds like /dev/hdc may not be the cd-rom drive.. if you are running ide-scsi, the first cdrom will be /dev/scd0. > > Read the dmesg and see if the cdrom drive is being picked up, and as as an IDE or SCSI device. > > -L > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- George Fischer - gfischer@visi.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Sep 26 17:11:03 2003 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running services---beware of n00b In-Reply-To: <20030925124003.20b74b72.list@slushpupie.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D370B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <20030925124003.20b74b72.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <1064614262.3131.7.camel@bigtime> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 12:40, Jay Kline wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:15:38 -0500 > "Lansing, Dan" wrote: > >I have written a small ugly script to restart some services which > >occasionally quit for unknown reasons...is there a way I can write a script > >to check if the services are running and run my restart script if they die? > > There are a lot of different ways to handle this. The way I handle it for > one of my servers, is every 15 min a script is run from cron, and uses pidof > to determine if there are any processes running with that name. If the > process writes its pid to a file, just check to see if that pid is running > (though this can fail- its possible for the process to quit, and a new, > unrelated process to get its pid). Alternately, you can use the Big Brother (http://bb4.com/) style approach, rather than just checking if the process exists, write a test that actually connects to the service and see if it gets a response. For example for a web server, use something like wget to grab a page, if it fails, nuke the service and restart it. This will cover you in the event of a wedged yet still running process. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He's skittish around > people he doesn't know, but will cuddle up with you when he's around you for > a week or so. He's an F-3 Bengal, registered, about 5 years old. Snow > leopard with blue eyes. Pics of him at http://www.signal15.com/gallery > > His brother died. :( He's lonely, so it would be nice if went somewhere > that had another cat. The blue eyes are actually a BSOD, he runs windows. > I lied. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Sep 26 17:36:50 2003 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ext3 fragmentation In-Reply-To: <1064522132.25392.2671.camel@lotsa> References: <1064522132.25392.2671.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <1064615810.3131.23.camel@bigtime> > 3. Is backing up the partition, deleting it, then restoring the only way > to deferment a ext3 partition? Currently, yes. There was a defrag tool written way back in 1993 (!) and doesn't seem anyone's seen fit to update it since. (That should tell you something) Apparently it only worked with 1k sectors, with 4k being the norm now, you're out of luck. Though, with pretty much any filesystem, the rate of fragmentation increases exponentially (and thus general performance drops) the less free space you have. At around %80-%90 full, it starts to become quite significant, depending on how busy your FS, file sizes, etc. Even the best allocator can only do so much with no headroom to work with. (And with a bad allocator, it only gets worse, *coughWindowscoughFATcough*) With today's common 20gb to 200gb hard drives, that means leaving at least 2gb to 20gb (!) free. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Don't know exactly why. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030926/bbfcbb0f/attachment.pgp From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Sep 26 18:00:04 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question re: ARP packets In-Reply-To: <1064079583.4815.7.camel@debian> References: <1064079583.4815.7.camel@debian> Message-ID: <20030926230004.GP26180@techmonkeys.org> It's due to the latest microsoft worms scanning IP's that aren't currently in use, you'll notice that the arp requests are usually in sequential order. The router will try a few times before giving up, and doesn't cache the response for long. On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 12:39:44PM -0500, nick phillips wrote: > hello list, > > just wondered if someone could satisfy my idle curiosity... i just > downloaded ethereal and i've been playing around with capturing network > traffic and looking through the results. i noticed that 99% of my > traffic seems to be ARP requests from 65.27.80.1, with the request being > "who has 65.xx.xx.xx?', with the address apparently cycling through all > IP addresses under the 65 class a network. i assume this is fairly > normal ARP procedure, but could anyone enlighten me as to exactly what's > going on? or recommend a decent link for info? (most of the ones i've > found seem to be more technical detail about the actual protocol, not > how it is used..) i'm finding this network stuff fascinating and i'd > like to try and work out what these various protocols are actually > doing... > > thanks for any info! > > best, > nick > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Sep 26 18:20:00 2003 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Somewhat OT] Prevalence Anyone? In-Reply-To: <003501c38375$b16b5700$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20030925001741.0000525b.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> <003501c38375$b16b5700$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <1064618400.3131.39.camel@bigtime> > > It might actually be interesting if it had an SQL implementation. > > If you want a fast, embedded, public domain SQL database library, look at > SQLite. It rocks: > > http://www.hwaci.com/sw/sqlite/ SQLite's use of null terminated strings and null terminated strings ONLY, confounds me. Trying to store non-text data in it is an exercise in kludging. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030926/42cb6d4e/attachment.pgp From smac at visi.com Fri Sep 26 23:08:34 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question re: ARP packets In-Reply-To: <20030926230004.GP26180@techmonkeys.org> References: <1064079583.4815.7.camel@debian> <20030926230004.GP26180@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3F750D42.80806@visi.com> Why does that sound like scavenging. I would venture to guess that who ever owns the subnet is out looking for free addresses so they can be reallocated. Now if we really wanted to have some fun we would start a conspiracy theory about it ;-) The CIA is looking for unused IP addresses so they know what IP addresses are in use. Sam. Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >It's due to the latest microsoft worms scanning IP's that aren't currently >in use, you'll notice that the arp requests are usually in sequential order. > >The router will try a few times before giving up, and doesn't cache the response >for long. > >On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 12:39:44PM -0500, nick phillips wrote: > > >>hello list, >> >>just wondered if someone could satisfy my idle curiosity... i just >>downloaded ethereal and i've been playing around with capturing network >>traffic and looking through the results. i noticed that 99% of my >>traffic seems to be ARP requests from 65.27.80.1, with the request being >>"who has 65.xx.xx.xx?', with the address apparently cycling through all >>IP addresses under the 65 class a network. i assume this is fairly >>normal ARP procedure, but could anyone enlighten me as to exactly what's >>going on? or recommend a decent link for info? (most of the ones i've >>found seem to be more technical detail about the actual protocol, not >>how it is used..) i'm finding this network stuff fascinating and i'd >>like to try and work out what these various protocols are actually >>doing... >> >>thanks for any info! >> >>best, >>nick >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Sep 26 23:18:48 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: <65ecae434eb8205d487a076211adc8a6@stfu.local.> References: <20030925150304.GL764@fandre.com> <65ecae434eb8205d487a076211adc8a6@stfu.local.> Message-ID: <3040.192.1.1.23.1064636328.squirrel@dccmn.com> Having this done to me about 2 years ago, no it isn't hit and run, but it might be considered fraud if the police can convince the DA to prosecute. Needless to say, the OWNER of the car can get slapped with a misdemeanor for allowing the car to be driven without insurance. Call the police department of the city where the accident occurred. They can give you immediate access to the registration. And ALWAYS call 911 when an accident happens. The squad can verify address and insurance info on the spot. I learned the hard way. The driver that hit me gave me a bogus name and address. If I hadn't written down the plate, we never would have gotten to the owner, who had stopped paying the insurance bills. Turns out the driver was a well known drug dealer from the Brookdale area. A guy with one brown eye, and one blue. Ben Lutgens said: > > > -- > Ben Lutgens > US Admins, Inc > System Administrator / Server Gumby / General Purpose Lackey > On 2003-09-25 10:03:04 -0500 Clay Fandre wrote: > >> >> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone know of a quick and easy way to get this kind of >>> information? >>> Free is good, but I don't mind paying a small fee if anyone can >>> recommend >>> somewhere that I won't get (more) screwed. >>> >> >> Know anyone who's a cop? > > This is a matter for law-enforcement. Its tantamount to hit-and-run. > Its called a crime. > > Call the police. > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Sep 27 00:06:25 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <1064619149.3131.48.camel@bigtime> References: <3F6FB8F6.5090801@visi.com> <20030923104414.63918251.william.layer@comcast.net> <20030923192949.GE17348@fandre.com> <20030923153950.03fa9639.william.layer@comcast.net> <20030924183945.GF9346@fandre.com> <20030924145855.0afc85f4.william.layer@comcast.net> <1064619149.3131.48.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <3F751AD1.4090602@visi.com> This is interesting because it's always the experienced SA's that are cranky. ;-) I'm speaking from experience as a windows & Netware SA for years and observing the SA's I've known and worked with. I believe when the fun runs out of something we as SA's get cranky. We all need to learn new things on a regular basis, so the issues we fixed long ago that we slaved over, the 2:00 am issues, we don't want to deal with them. It's a bad experience to relive, even if at the time it seamed to be fun. Sometimes it's the same dam problem that we had yesterday, rearing its head again. The long hours SA's put in don't help either. The brain's a funny place to live. When we are in a position to help sometimes we forget to give more then just an answer at times. The short, trite answer can really put people off in a hurry. I think we need to sit back and read our answers from a different perspective before sending them. I have very thick skin so I'm not put off by a sharp answer easily. (Thick head to...) Finding something that's new and fun so we can relate to the newbie experience again is important. My old 486 laptop has put a new spring in my step when it comes to learning. I think I'm even going to rebuild my Redhat box with the Debian base from diskette, I may not put X windows on it. Having a machine with just the base on it is nice. I know what I have on it and what tools I can use. I don't have stuff I don't need, software I don't use on a regular basis. Yes, I have thousands of applications to choose from, with a 200 mb hard disk, I have to be very careful. I have to make due with what I have. While I'm learning Linux I find that I can speak in a more informing voice and show more concern for the windows newbies who I'm in contact with. I get questions from people I worked with years ago (not SA's at that time), out of the blue comes WINS and SNA server questions. I hate WINS and SNA needs to die! Both gave me fits in the wee hours at least once. But I sat back and thought about the beers we had 5 years ago, my answers changed. By the way I just told 2 guys to join TCLUG, they are taking a Linux class at a VoTech in ST. Paul. Both are windows power users, both have Linux and windows at home. Joining a user group is sometimes intimidating until people get to know you. I'm a nut case anyway, I write long eMails and I tend to talk a lot after a few beers. Sam. Callum Lerwick wrote: >>Yeah... yeah... yeah... well, what if the experienced users are just a bunch of grumpy, surly, crusty, cantankerous old bastards* that nobody wants to hear from anyway ;-) >> >> > >I say we split it into tclug-list and >tclug-surly-old-gurus-that-are-tired-of-listening-to-stupid-newbie-questions-list. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Sep 27 00:09:42 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: <3040.192.1.1.23.1064636328.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <20030925150304.GL764@fandre.com> <65ecae434eb8205d487a076211adc8a6@stfu.local.> <3040.192.1.1.23.1064636328.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <3F751B96.5030108@visi.com> BTW it the care has more then $100 damage you are required to call the police. We all know this but sometimes people are so nice willing to help you out. Call the police, call the police, call the police. Sam. Wayne Johnson wrote: >Having this done to me about 2 years ago, no it isn't hit and run, but it >might be considered fraud if the police can convince the DA to prosecute. > >Needless to say, the OWNER of the car can get slapped with a misdemeanor >for allowing the car to be driven without insurance. > >Call the police department of the city where the accident occurred. They >can give you immediate access to the registration. > >And ALWAYS call 911 when an accident happens. The squad can verify >address and insurance info on the spot. I learned the hard way. The >driver that hit me gave me a bogus name and address. If I hadn't written >down the plate, we never would have gotten to the owner, who had stopped >paying the insurance bills. Turns out the driver was a well known drug >dealer from the Brookdale area. A guy with one brown eye, and one blue. > >Ben Lutgens said: > > >>-- >>Ben Lutgens >>US Admins, Inc >>System Administrator / Server Gumby / General Purpose Lackey >>On 2003-09-25 10:03:04 -0500 Clay Fandre wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Does anyone know of a quick and easy way to get this kind of >>>>information? >>>>Free is good, but I don't mind paying a small fee if anyone can >>>>recommend >>>>somewhere that I won't get (more) screwed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Know anyone who's a cop? >>> >>> >>This is a matter for law-enforcement. Its tantamount to hit-and-run. >>Its called a crime. >> >>Call the police. >> >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Sep 27 11:04:39 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question re: ARP packets References: <1064079583.4815.7.camel@debian> <20030926230004.GP26180@techmonkeys.org> <3F750D42.80806@visi.com> Message-ID: <001401c38511$0e405060$0201a8c0@brinstar> Sam MacDonald writes: > Why does that sound like scavenging. I would venture to guess that > who ever owns the subnet is out looking for free addresses so they > can be reallocated. The cable company owns the subnet and they already know which ones are allocated. The router doesn't know and has to ask. If they were smart and had the right equipment, they would have static ARP tables, since they already know the MAC addresses. ARP is a liability in that type of setup. > Now if we really wanted to have some fun we would start a conspiracy > theory about it ;-) > The CIA is looking for unused IP addresses so they know what IP > addresses are in use. Or some kid with nmap... -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Sat Sep 27 11:52:52 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: <3F751B96.5030108@visi.com> Message-ID: Not to pick specifically on Sam, but here is a great example of the problem. So far, from the list and from other sources, here is what I've heard on calling the police in an accident: Only call the police if there are injuries "" if damage > "what you can wipe off with your sleeve" "" if damage > $100 "" if damage > $500 "" if damage > $1000 Always call the police (damage or not, injuries or not, etc) It seems that everyone I talk to has taken the $5 law class instead of the $10 law class :) Sam may be right. But my dad might be right, my wife might be right, my agent might be right, or any of the dozen other people that responded might be right. Basically, I've decided that it doesn't matter what circumstances REQUIRE you to call, I'm just going to call every time, just to be sure. If the police don't like coming out for nicks and scratches, so be it. I'd much rather have them busting the neighborhood meth lab, but I've got problems too. As for why I didn't call my insurance company, let me explain that. When you are in an accident, and your insurance company knows you were in an accident, your rates go up. I believe for most insurance co's you will pay a higher premium for 3 years after the latest accident. This is regardless of fault or whether they paid any damages. If you have an accident on your record, and they see it, your rates will go up. This has been the case for all 4 companies I've been with in the past. Furthermore, 5 months ago was my 3 year accident anniversary (no cake), and my insurance agent called and told me they wanted to switch companies because with my record clear now it would be cheaper through this new company. The accident 3 years ago was not my fault, and there were no damages paid, but it was still on record with my insurance company, and my premium was still much higher. I am not wrong here. I spoke with my agent again yesterday, and she advised me to avoid getting the insurance company involved and just pay the damages myself, to avoid a rate increase. She didn't have to pull my file to see which company I was with to tell me this. This seems to be an across-the-board policy for all insurance companies. The thinking is, if you were in 1 accident, you are likely to be in more accidents (dictated by where you live, where and how you drive, etc). So obviously the best solution is to have the other guy's insurance pay the damages, and let his rates go up. This is what should normally happen when you are in an accident and you're not at fault. Because I was driving the "uninsured Ford driver magnet", his insurance company is not going to pay the damages. Now, I can take him to concilliation court, where I will probably win (he won't show), but he isn't REQUIRED to pay me. He will have a judgement against him for the amount, and I can send him to a collections agency and shoot his credit to hell, but the kind of people who drive w/o insurance already have bad credit so he won't care. I can also send Louie and Mikey down to do a "scientific study" to see if it's easier for him to pay me with broken kneecaps - but I won't. So now, I can have my insurance company pay it, or I can pay it out of pocket. Now, regardless of my deductable, it's going to be cheaper in the long run for me to just pay the $850 directly, rather than have my rates go up for the next 3 years. But stil, thanks to everyone who responded, and special thanks to those that offered help. I met St. Paul's finest at the corner last night and actually got them to file a report, so we'll see what happens. On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > BTW it the care has more then $100 damage you are required to call the > police. We all know this but sometimes people are so nice willing to > help you out. Call the police, call the police, call the police. > > Sam. > > Wayne Johnson wrote: > > >Having this done to me about 2 years ago, no it isn't hit and run, but it > >might be considered fraud if the police can convince the DA to prosecute. > > > >Needless to say, the OWNER of the car can get slapped with a misdemeanor > >for allowing the car to be driven without insurance. > > > >Call the police department of the city where the accident occurred. They > >can give you immediate access to the registration. > > > >And ALWAYS call 911 when an accident happens. The squad can verify > >address and insurance info on the spot. I learned the hard way. The > >driver that hit me gave me a bogus name and address. If I hadn't written > >down the plate, we never would have gotten to the owner, who had stopped > >paying the insurance bills. Turns out the driver was a well known drug > >dealer from the Brookdale area. A guy with one brown eye, and one blue. > > > >Ben Lutgens said: > > > > > >>-- > >>Ben Lutgens > >>US Admins, Inc > >>System Administrator / Server Gumby / General Purpose Lackey > >>On 2003-09-25 10:03:04 -0500 Clay Fandre wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Does anyone know of a quick and easy way to get this kind of > >>>>information? > >>>>Free is good, but I don't mind paying a small fee if anyone can > >>>>recommend > >>>>somewhere that I won't get (more) screwed. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Know anyone who's a cop? > >>> > >>> > >>This is a matter for law-enforcement. Its tantamount to hit-and-run. > >>Its called a crime. > >> > >>Call the police. > >> > >> > >> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Sep 27 14:13:29 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F75E159.2050109@visi.com> Please call or eMail this guy. William J. Aase, Esq. Attorney at Law 651-209-6884 Lawyer@akjustice.com He is handling a case for me (car crash). Sam. Adam Maloney wrote: >Not to pick specifically on Sam, but here is a great example of the >problem. > >So far, from the list and from other sources, here is what I've heard on >calling the police in an accident: > >Only call the police if there are injuries >"" if damage > "what you can wipe off with your sleeve" >"" if damage > $100 >"" if damage > $500 >"" if damage > $1000 >Always call the police (damage or not, injuries or not, etc) > >It seems that everyone I talk to has taken the $5 law class instead of the >$10 law class :) Sam may be right. But my dad might be right, my wife >might be right, my agent might be right, or any of the dozen other people >that responded might be right. > >Basically, I've decided that it doesn't matter what circumstances REQUIRE >you to call, I'm just going to call every time, just to be sure. If the >police don't like coming out for nicks and scratches, so be it. I'd much >rather have them busting the neighborhood meth lab, but I've got problems >too. > >As for why I didn't call my insurance company, let me explain that. > >When you are in an accident, and your insurance company knows you were in >an accident, your rates go up. I believe for most insurance co's you will >pay a higher premium for 3 years after the latest accident. This is >regardless of fault or whether they paid any damages. If you have an >accident on your record, and they see it, your rates will go up. This has >been the case for all 4 companies I've been with in the past. >Furthermore, 5 months ago was my 3 year accident anniversary (no cake), >and my insurance agent called and told me they wanted to switch companies >because with my record clear now it would be cheaper through this new >company. The accident 3 years ago was not my fault, and there were no >damages paid, but it was still on record with my insurance company, and my >premium was still much higher. > >I am not wrong here. I spoke with my agent again yesterday, and she >advised me to avoid getting the insurance company involved and just pay >the damages myself, to avoid a rate increase. She didn't have to pull my >file to see which company I was with to tell me this. This seems to be an >across-the-board policy for all insurance companies. The thinking is, if >you were in 1 accident, you are likely to be in more accidents (dictated >by where you live, where and how you drive, etc). > >So obviously the best solution is to have the other guy's insurance pay >the damages, and let his rates go up. This is what should normally happen >when you are in an accident and you're not at fault. > >Because I was driving the "uninsured Ford driver magnet", his insurance >company is not going to pay the damages. Now, I can take him to >concilliation court, where I will probably win (he won't show), but he >isn't REQUIRED to pay me. He will have a judgement against him for the >amount, and I can send him to a collections agency and shoot his credit to >hell, but the kind of people who drive w/o insurance already have bad >credit so he won't care. > >I can also send Louie and Mikey down to do a "scientific study" to see if >it's easier for him to pay me with broken kneecaps - but I won't. > >So now, I can have my insurance company pay it, or I can pay it out of >pocket. Now, regardless of my deductable, it's going to be cheaper in the >long run for me to just pay the $850 directly, rather than have my rates >go up for the next 3 years. > >But stil, thanks to everyone who responded, and special thanks to those >that offered help. I met St. Paul's finest at the corner last night and >actually got them to file a report, so we'll see what happens. > >On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > >>BTW it the care has more then $100 damage you are required to call the >>police. We all know this but sometimes people are so nice willing to >>help you out. Call the police, call the police, call the police. >> >>Sam. >> >>Wayne Johnson wrote: >> >> >> >>>Having this done to me about 2 years ago, no it isn't hit and run, but it >>>might be considered fraud if the police can convince the DA to prosecute. >>> >>>Needless to say, the OWNER of the car can get slapped with a misdemeanor >>>for allowing the car to be driven without insurance. >>> >>>Call the police department of the city where the accident occurred. They >>>can give you immediate access to the registration. >>> >>>And ALWAYS call 911 when an accident happens. The squad can verify >>>address and insurance info on the spot. I learned the hard way. The >>>driver that hit me gave me a bogus name and address. If I hadn't written >>>down the plate, we never would have gotten to the owner, who had stopped >>>paying the insurance bills. Turns out the driver was a well known drug >>>dealer from the Brookdale area. A guy with one brown eye, and one blue. >>> >>>Ben Lutgens said: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>-- >>>>Ben Lutgens >>>>US Admins, Inc >>>>System Administrator / Server Gumby / General Purpose Lackey >>>>On 2003-09-25 10:03:04 -0500 Clay Fandre wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Does anyone know of a quick and easy way to get this kind of >>>>>>information? >>>>>>Free is good, but I don't mind paying a small fee if anyone can >>>>>>recommend >>>>>>somewhere that I won't get (more) screwed. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Know anyone who's a cop? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>This is a matter for law-enforcement. Its tantamount to hit-and-run. >>>>Its called a crime. >>>> >>>>Call the police. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sat Sep 27 14:09:12 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: References: <3F751B96.5030108@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030927140912.0c3b8d07.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:52:52 -0500 (CDT) Adam Maloney wrote: > > Because I was driving the "uninsured Ford driver magnet", his > insurance company is not going to pay the damages. Now, I can take > him to concilliation court, where I will probably win (he won't show), > but he isn't REQUIRED to pay me. He will have a judgement against him > for the amount, and I can send him to a collections agency and shoot > his credit to hell, but the kind of people who drive w/o insurance > already have bad credit so he won't care. > > I can also send Louie and Mikey down to do a "scientific study" to see > if it's easier for him to pay me with broken kneecaps - but I won't. > > So now, I can have my insurance company pay it, or I can pay it out of > pocket. Now, regardless of my deductable, it's going to be cheaper in > the long run for me to just pay the $850 directly, rather than have my > rates go up for the next 3 years. > So, now, you can say that any way you look at it, you're going to have to bend over and take it without Vaseline or even a grope before hand. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Sat Sep 27 14:15:18 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search References: <3F751B96.5030108@visi.com> <20030927140912.0c3b8d07.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F75E1C6.8010008@structural-wood.com> Shawn wrote: > On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:52:52 -0500 (CDT) > Adam Maloney wrote: > >>Because I was driving the "uninsured Ford driver magnet", his >>insurance company is not going to pay the damages. Now, I can take >>him to concilliation court, where I will probably win (he won't show), >>but he isn't REQUIRED to pay me. He will have a judgement against him >>for the amount, and I can send him to a collections agency and shoot >>his credit to hell, but the kind of people who drive w/o insurance >>already have bad credit so he won't care. >> >>I can also send Louie and Mikey down to do a "scientific study" to see >>if it's easier for him to pay me with broken kneecaps - but I won't. >> >>So now, I can have my insurance company pay it, or I can pay it out of >>pocket. Now, regardless of my deductable, it's going to be cheaper in >>the long run for me to just pay the $850 directly, rather than have my >>rates go up for the next 3 years. >> > > > So, now, you can say that any way you look at it, you're going to have to bend over and take it without Vaseline or even a grope before hand. > All hail no-fault insurance. What a scam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Sat Sep 27 15:43:53 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Prestidigitators of Procmail References: <3F74A83A.6060907@cleosci.com> <20030926213006.GB14018@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3F75F689.20107@cleosci.com> Thanks for your replies everyone. Using "c" (no quotes) seemed to fix it. Actually, I was just kind of playing with procmail -- testing how (well) it worked -- or if it worked to see if I could put it to use. Garrett Chad Walstrom wrote: >Just curious. Why aren't you trying to use your email server's virtual >addresses file? > ># /etc/postfix/virtuserstable ># Virtual domain names to local user mapping >@bozo.com # Bozo domain >fred@bozo.com fred >bill@bozo.com bill > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at JentgeS.NeT Sat Sep 27 17:07:23 2003 From: mj at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Prestidigitators of Procmail In-Reply-To: <3F75F689.20107@cleosci.com> References: <3F74A83A.6060907@cleosci.com> <20030926213006.GB14018@wookimus.net> <3F75F689.20107@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <3587.199.199.150.6.1064700443.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> And hence AUTHOR wrote: gkrueger > Thanks for your replies everyone. Using "c" (no quotes) seemed to fix > it. > Well it sometimes works too good it seems. I was watching for solutions to this one, but procmail must have eaten the replies... :) What was it that fixed it? -mj > Actually, I was just kind of playing with procmail -- testing how (well) > it worked -- or if it worked to see if I could put it to use. > > Garrett > > Chad Walstrom wrote: > >>Just curious. Why aren't you trying to use your email server's virtual >> addresses file? >> >># /etc/postfix/virtuserstable >># Virtual domain names to local user mapping >>@bozo.com # Bozo domain >>fred@bozo.com fred >>bill@bozo.com bill >> >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From don at bergerson.net Sat Sep 27 18:32:40 2003 From: don at bergerson.net (Don Bergerson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat Web Remote Management Message-ID: <001601c3854f$a4a03820$6619a8c0@bergerson.net> Sorry for using outl@@k. Anyway, I used to use a rpm that you could just like SWAT manage a RedHat server. Not just the Linuxconf web version but everything, dns, dhcp, users, setup, etc. Does anyone know what rpm this is? I don't know if I downloaded it or if it was on the redhat cd. I like to keep my linux server without the gui and Redhat decided to keep linuxconf out after 7.2 so this web version was my cure all. Don Bergerson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030927/0e6e9c4b/attachment.html From adamm at sihope.com Sat Sep 27 18:35:11 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: <20030927140912.0c3b8d07.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: > So, now, you can say that any way you look at it, you're going to have > to bend over and take it without Vaseline or even a grope before hand. Yes, there will be no KY and no reach-around. It's like a Tiajuana prison over here. We'll see what the police report gets me. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Sep 27 18:49:47 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat Web Remote Management In-Reply-To: <001601c3854f$a4a03820$6619a8c0@bergerson.net> References: <001601c3854f$a4a03820$6619a8c0@bergerson.net> Message-ID: <3F76221B.3060702@visi.com> Do you mean "Webmin"? Don Bergerson wrote: > Sorry for using outl@@k . > > Anyway, I used to use a rpm that you could just like SWAT manage a > RedHat server. Not just the Linuxconf web version but everything, dns, > dhcp, users, setup, etc. > > Does anyone know what rpm this is? I don't know if I downloaded it or > if it was on the redhat cd. I like to keep my linux server without the > gui and Redhat decided to keep linuxconf out after 7.2 so this web > version was my cure all. > > > Don Bergerson _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From don at bergerson.net Sat Sep 27 18:45:34 2003 From: don at bergerson.net (Don Bergerson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat Web Remote Management References: <001601c3854f$a4a03820$6619a8c0@bergerson.net> <3F76221B.3060702@visi.com> Message-ID: <002b01c38551$72179860$6619a8c0@bergerson.net> Yes!!!! Thanks Sam! I knew what it was just couldn't remember it - must be old age.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam MacDonald" To: Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Redhat Web Remote Management > Do you mean "Webmin"? > > > Don Bergerson wrote: > > > Sorry for using outl@@k . > > > > Anyway, I used to use a rpm that you could just like SWAT manage a > > RedHat server. Not just the Linuxconf web version but everything, dns, > > dhcp, users, setup, etc. > > > > Does anyone know what rpm this is? I don't know if I downloaded it or > > if it was on the redhat cd. I like to keep my linux server without the > > gui and Redhat decided to keep linuxconf out after 7.2 so this web > > version was my cure all. > > > > > > Don Bergerson > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Sep 27 19:04:19 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat Web Remote Management In-Reply-To: <002b01c38551$72179860$6619a8c0@bergerson.net> References: <001601c3854f$a4a03820$6619a8c0@bergerson.net> <3F76221B.3060702@visi.com> <002b01c38551$72179860$6619a8c0@bergerson.net> Message-ID: <3F762583.3070804@visi.com> Unless your 45 your not older then me ;-) Sam. Don Bergerson wrote: >Yes!!!! > >Thanks Sam! I knew what it was just couldn't remember it - must be old >age.... > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sam MacDonald" >To: >Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 6:49 PM >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Redhat Web Remote Management > > > > >>Do you mean "Webmin"? >> >> >>Don Bergerson wrote: >> >> >> >>>Sorry for using outl@@k . >>> >>>Anyway, I used to use a rpm that you could just like SWAT manage a >>>RedHat server. Not just the Linuxconf web version but everything, dns, >>>dhcp, users, setup, etc. >>> >>>Does anyone know what rpm this is? I don't know if I downloaded it or >>>if it was on the redhat cd. I like to keep my linux server without the >>>gui and Redhat decided to keep linuxconf out after 7.2 so this web >>>version was my cure all. >>> >>> >>>Don Bergerson >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Sat Sep 27 19:31:00 2003 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <1064619149.3131.48.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <000f01c38557$d65fd700$0436a8c0@Kurama> I vote for this one. Joseph Key -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Callum Lerwick Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 6:32 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Help > Yeah... yeah... yeah... well, what if the experienced users are just a bunch of grumpy, surly, crusty, cantankerous old bastards* that nobody wants to hear from anyway ;-) I say we split it into tclug-list and tclug-surly-old-gurus-that-are-tired-of-listening-to-stupid-newbie-quest ions-list. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Sep 27 20:51:22 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: References: <20030927140912.0c3b8d07.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3784.192.1.1.23.1064713882.squirrel@dccmn.com> BTW, Allstate allows 2 incidents (moving violations or accidents) before raising their rates. Adam Maloney said: >> So, now, you can say that any way you look at it, you're going to have >> to bend over and take it without Vaseline or even a grope before hand. > > Yes, there will be no KY and no reach-around. It's like a Tiajuana > prison over here. > > We'll see what the police report gets me. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Sat Sep 27 21:09:44 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Saturday, September 27, 2003, at 11:52 AM, Adam Maloney wrote: > Only call the police if there are injuries > "" if damage > "what you can wipe off with your sleeve" > "" if damage > $100 > "" if damage > $500 > "" if damage > $1000 > Always call the police (damage or not, injuries or not, etc) This might be useful if you really want to know...I'm sure it's in there somewhere. http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/stats/169/ > When you are in an accident, and your insurance company knows you were > in > an accident, your rates go up. I believe for most insurance co's you > will > pay a higher premium for 3 years after the latest accident. This is > regardless of fault or whether they paid any damages. If you have an > accident on your record, and they see it, your rates will go up. I would suggest looking for other insurance. That is not how my insurance company (progressive, in case you care) does it. They have a point system, and everything they find on your record goes on your billing statement, but some of them are worth 0 points, like the windshield I had replaced because it cracked on me. Anything they do give you points for will cause your rates to increase for 3 years, though. I love it. I have two speeding tickets costing me a 27% rate increase per 6 mo, when the speeding on my part is nothing but a "potential future liability" on their part. And I had a broken windshield that actually cost the insurance company a little bit, that did nothing to my rates. > Because I was driving the "uninsured Ford driver magnet", his insurance > company is not going to pay the damages. Now, I can take him to > concilliation court, where I will probably win (he won't show), but he > isn't REQUIRED to pay me. He will have a judgement against him for the > amount, and I can send him to a collections agency and shoot his > credit to > hell, but the kind of people who drive w/o insurance already have bad > credit so he won't care. I hate the fact that there are so many laws out there protecting mean and stupid people from themselves and others. -- Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Sat Sep 27 23:48:11 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: ; from kremer@ringworld.org on Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 09:09:44PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030927234811.A17466@joelschneider.net> On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 09:09:44PM -0500, Justin Kremer wrote: > This might be useful if you really want to know...I'm sure it's in > there somewhere. > http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/stats/169/ Interesting. There's a section on accidents that mentions a few conditions under which a report must be filed: http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/stats/169/09.html -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Sun Sep 28 01:35:20 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Prestidigitators of Procmail References: <3F74A83A.6060907@cleosci.com> <20030926213006.GB14018@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3F768128.8090209@cleosci.com> So, having not played with this feature a whole lot, I figure I must be missing something. Is the virtusertable supposed to somehow help redistribute global mail to appropriate local users without the aid of procmail? At the moment, it doesn't for me. I built a virtusertable (as described below), ran the "make" on it to build the .db, and disabled the .procmailrc file, and restarted sendmail. Then I ran fetchmail, and it dumped all mail, regardless of appropriate local user, into the root email account -- no distribution -- very ugly. What piece(s) am I missing? (I ran a simple "fetchmail" -- no quotes) Thanks! Garrett Chad Walstrom wrote: >On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 03:57:30PM -0500, gkrueger wrote: > > >>I am having a problem where I can't seem to find the right direction. >>My procmail won't split multiple copies of the same message. Can this >>be done? For example: >>To: Fred@bozo.com >>To: Bill@bozo.com >> >> > >Just curious. Why aren't you trying to use your email server's virtual >addresses file? > ># /etc/postfix/virtuserstable ># Virtual domain names to local user mapping >@bozo.com # Bozo domain >fred@bozo.com fred >bill@bozo.com bill > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(I ran a simple "fetchmail" -- no quotes) > > Thanks! > > With sendmail, you must 'enable' the virtusertable when building yur sendmail.cf file, and you must run 'makemap hash virtusertable < virtusertable' after editing the virtusertable. If you're using a default .cf file, likely the latter is all you need. Not sure what you mean by "ran the make" on it.. -mj _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Sun Sep 28 11:55:15 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Two hats Message-ID: <20030928115515.2fcf63cf.william.layer@comcast.net> Hello, After the party on Friday, two hats remain here, without their respective heads. Hat #1 - Brown Fedora style, black band. Hanging on top of the giant yellow Crayola. Hat #2 - Black baseball cap, with the insignia "EFF" in white. Resting atop the fridge. Please retrieve at your earliest convenience. Bill _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Sep 28 13:01:38 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Prestidigitators of Procmail In-Reply-To: <3F768128.8090209@cleosci.com> References: <3F74A83A.6060907@cleosci.com> <20030926213006.GB14018@wookimus.net> <3F768128.8090209@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <20030928180138.GB2529@wookimus.net> On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 01:35:20AM -0500, gkrueger wrote: > What piece(s) am I missing? Probably the configuration option in main.cf. ;-) Check out the examples that came with the postfix package. Also, conslut the postfix documentation. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030928/d3c23984/attachment.pgp From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Sep 28 14:29:12 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load- Part 2 Message-ID: <20030928142912.6ffa931f.sfertch@real-time.com> Okay, so I sat down and did some tests this weekend on my desktop to see what's going on. I'll recap what my system hardware is right now: Pentium 4 2.53GHz 2 x 512 MB DDR 333 memory Maxtor 40 GB EIDE HDD SB Live! 5.1 soundcard Linksys LNE100TX NIC Chaintech GeForce 4 ti4200 video card AGP-8x Had no errors reported in extensive testing mode of Memtest-86 v 3. I ran the test overnight for about 10 hours. I can post specs if someone wants of the test later. This morning, I started pulling cards. Here's the original layout: AGP - video card of course PCI slot 2 - SB Live 5.1 card PCI slot 4 - Linksys NIC Slot 1 being closest to the processor. As mentioned previously, the soundcard and NIC have worked in Linux machines previously. The video, mobo, processor and ram haven't. To get to the point, it's my video card. I put a Viper v550 pci card in, and it boots fine to linux. I swapped in a temporary GeForce 4 mx card (standard video and S-Video) and it works fine. Boots super fast too! Okay, so here's my dilemma now... The ti4200 video card I have has 3 outputs on it: Standard video out, s-video and some kind of DVI connection for going to flat panels if I'm not mistaken. Now that I think about it, after I see the "linux loading" message and the screen goes blank, the HDD is still showing activity for a little while afterwards. So, I'm guessing that in Windows, it detects which head has output (or it sends them to both) and Linux can't recognize which head is connected. Or, it defaults to the DVI connection. Does anyone know of a way to change this? Preferably, I'd like to disable the DVI connection on the card, but I'm not seeing anything that allows me to do so. No jumpers or anything. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at JentgeS.NeT Sun Sep 28 14:34:20 2003 From: mike at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load- Part 2 In-Reply-To: <20030928142912.6ffa931f.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030928142912.6ffa931f.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <4354.199.199.150.6.1064777660.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> And hence spewed: Shawn > Does anyone know > of a way to change this? Preferably, I'd like to disable the DVI > connection on the card, but I'm not seeing anything that allows me to do > so. No jumpers or anything. > > Is the card software configurable at all? -mj > > > > -- > Shawn > > The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. > > Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Sep 28 16:48:08 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4996.192.1.1.23.1064785688.squirrel@dccmn.com> This from the MN DMV Accident Reporting form: Every driver in a crash involving $1,000 or more in property damage, or injury or death, MUST COMPLETE this form and send it to Driver and Vehicle Services within 10 days. Failure to provide this information is a misdemeanor under Minnesota Statute 169.09, subdivision 7. See reverse side for address and for data privacy information. You can download the from from: http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/PDFForms/Forms/CitReport.pdf I might suggest printing a copy and keeping it in your glove compartment. Justin Kremer said: > > On Saturday, September 27, 2003, at 11:52 AM, Adam Maloney wrote: > >> Only call the police if there are injuries >> "" if damage > "what you can wipe off with your sleeve" >> "" if damage > $100 >> "" if damage > $500 >> "" if damage > $1000 >> Always call the police (damage or not, injuries or not, etc) > > This might be useful if you really want to know...I'm sure it's in > there somewhere. > http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/stats/169/ > >> When you are in an accident, and your insurance company knows you were >> in >> an accident, your rates go up. I believe for most insurance co's you >> will >> pay a higher premium for 3 years after the latest accident. This is >> regardless of fault or whether they paid any damages. If you have an >> accident on your record, and they see it, your rates will go up. > > I would suggest looking for other insurance. That is not how my > insurance company (progressive, in case you care) does it. They have a > point system, and everything they find on your record goes on your > billing statement, but some of them are worth 0 points, like the > windshield I had replaced because it cracked on me. Anything they do > give you points for will cause your rates to increase for 3 years, > though. > I love it. I have two speeding tickets costing me a 27% rate increase > per 6 mo, when the speeding on my part is nothing but a "potential > future liability" on their part. And I had a broken windshield that > actually cost the insurance company a little bit, that did nothing to > my rates. > > >> Because I was driving the "uninsured Ford driver magnet", his >> insurance company is not going to pay the damages. Now, I can take >> him to concilliation court, where I will probably win (he won't show), >> but he isn't REQUIRED to pay me. He will have a judgement against him >> for the amount, and I can send him to a collections agency and shoot >> his credit to >> hell, but the kind of people who drive w/o insurance already have bad >> credit so he won't care. > > I hate the fact that there are so many laws out there protecting mean > and stupid people from themselves and others. > > -- > Justin Kremer > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Sep 28 16:49:58 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load- Part 2 In-Reply-To: <4354.199.199.150.6.1064777660.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> References: <20030928142912.6ffa931f.sfertch@real-time.com> <4354.199.199.150.6.1064777660.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: <20030928164958.447f4e87.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:34:20 -0500 (CDT) "Michael Jentges" wrote: > > And hence spewed: Shawn > > Does anyone know > > of a way to change this? Preferably, I'd like to disable the DVI > > connection on the card, but I'm not seeing anything that allows me > > to do so. No jumpers or anything. > > > > > > Is the card software configurable at all? > No, does not look like it at all. http://www.chaintechusa.com/tw/eng/product_spec.asp?MPSNo=14&PISNo=36 -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Sep 28 17:23:07 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load- Part 2 In-Reply-To: <20030928142912.6ffa931f.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030928142912.6ffa931f.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F775F4B.20203@visi.com> I looked at the Chaintech website, they don't have Linux drivers for the ti4200. Is this a dual boot machine? If so you may be able to flip a hardware switch using the windows driver. Have you tried the Nvidia website, they have some Linux drivers but I don't know how specific the driver gets when it comes to disabling a port. Chaintech has a support form you could use. I've had some luck with several manufactures in getting beta drivers for various adapters by just asking for them. Sam. Shawn wrote: >Okay, so I sat down and did some tests this weekend on my desktop to see what's going on. I'll recap what my system hardware is right now: > >Pentium 4 2.53GHz >2 x 512 MB DDR 333 memory >Maxtor 40 GB EIDE HDD >SB Live! 5.1 soundcard >Linksys LNE100TX NIC >Chaintech GeForce 4 ti4200 video card AGP-8x > >Had no errors reported in extensive testing mode of Memtest-86 v 3. I ran the test overnight for about 10 hours. I can post specs if someone wants of the test later. > >This morning, I started pulling cards. Here's the original layout: > >AGP - video card of course >PCI slot 2 - SB Live 5.1 card >PCI slot 4 - Linksys NIC > >Slot 1 being closest to the processor. > >As mentioned previously, the soundcard and NIC have worked in Linux machines previously. The video, mobo, processor and ram haven't. To get to the point, it's my video card. I put a Viper v550 pci card in, and it boots fine to linux. I swapped in a temporary GeForce 4 mx card (standard video and S-Video) and it works fine. Boots super fast too! > >Okay, so here's my dilemma now... The ti4200 video card I have has 3 outputs on it: Standard video out, s-video and some kind of DVI connection for going to flat panels if I'm not mistaken. Now that I think about it, after I see the "linux loading" message and the screen goes blank, the HDD is still showing activity for a little while afterwards. So, I'm guessing that in Windows, it detects which head has output (or it sends them to both) and Linux can't recognize which head is connected. Or, it defaults to the DVI connection. Does anyone know of a way to change this? Preferably, I'd like to disable the DVI connection on the card, but I'm not seeing anything that allows me to do so. No jumpers or anything. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Sep 28 17:41:35 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load- Part 2 In-Reply-To: <3F775F4B.20203@visi.com> References: <20030928142912.6ffa931f.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F775F4B.20203@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030928174135.36cb05db.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:23:07 -0500 Sam MacDonald wrote: > I looked at the Chaintech website, they don't have Linux drivers for > the ti4200. Is this a dual boot machine? If so you may be able to flip > a hardware switch using the windows driver. > > Have you tried the Nvidia website, they have some Linux drivers but I > don't know how specific the driver gets when it comes to disabling a > port. > > Chaintech has a support form you could use. I've had some luck with > several manufactures in getting beta drivers for various adapters by > just asking for them. > What's happening is as soon as the kernel starts to load, I lose all video from the standard video out. Linux will load, but I lose all output to the monitor. I can ssh into the box from another system. It is a dual boot system, and windows it works fine. During the install process, I get full video up until it's rebooted after installation is complete. This happens with RH 9 and Slack 9. Didn't try Mandrake, SuSe or Debian. I'm thinking I might need to SSH in from another box, and try installing the nVidia drivers and recompiling. Don't know what the outcome will be. But I'm not sure about Chaintech offering any kind of Linux support, from what I saw didn't look very promising. The drivers they offer are from nVidia. Anyone else run into these issues? I did some googling, and I saw some stuff mentioned about older dvi output in RH 7.3. But the problems mentioned was they were trying to get it to work on the DVI, the standard video out was fine. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sun Sep 28 19:23:18 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server for installfests Message-ID: <3F777B76.5080804@eworld3.net> There has been some discussion recently about creating one or more machines that would be used at TCLUG installfests to provide fast access to multiple distros. So I'm starting several threads under this one to discuss what this type of box would be, how to build it and where it should live. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Sun Sep 28 19:25:53 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: License Plate Search In-Reply-To: <4996.192.1.1.23.1064785688.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: > Every driver in a crash involving $1,000 or more in property damage, or > injury or death, MUST COMPLETE this form and send it to Driver and Vehicle > Services within 10 days. Failure to provide this information is a > misdemeanor under Minnesota Statute 169.09, subdivision 7. See reverse > side for address and for data privacy information. This is the driver's responsibility, and doesn't have to happen at the scene. Everyone was arguing about when it's required to call the police to the scene of the accident. This information is still useful, but since you won't know the damages until after you get your estimates, you won't be able to fill it out at the scene, so glovebox probably is a bit overkill. You get a cookie - but no milk :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sun Sep 28 19:28:37 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server for installfests In-Reply-To: <3F777B76.5080804@eworld3.net> References: <3F777B76.5080804@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3F777CB5.1090509@eworld3.net> Oops, for some reason I thought I could start sub-threads, sorry. Where's that Dew... Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > There has been some discussion recently about creating one or more > machines that would be used at TCLUG installfests to provide fast access > to multiple distros. > > So I'm starting several threads under this one to discuss what this type > of box would be, how to build it and where it should live. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sun Sep 28 19:29:02 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: who will build it? Message-ID: <3F777CCE.6030201@eworld3.net> I think it would be fun and a good learning experience for all interested people to get together, bring in hardware and see what we can put together. The location for such an event would only have to have a table, some chairs and a very fat pipe to the net. We would need to borrow a monitor, keyboard and mouse to get the thing going but the final system will not need any of these. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Sep 28 19:27:26 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load- Part 2 In-Reply-To: <20030928174135.36cb05db.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030928142912.6ffa931f.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F775F4B.20203@visi.com> <20030928174135.36cb05db.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1064795245.27533.430.camel@3po> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 17:41, Shawn wrote: > Anyone else run into these issues? I did some googling, and I saw > some stuff mentioned about older dvi output in RH 7.3. But the > problems mentioned was they were trying to get it to work on the DVI, > the standard video out was fine. Hmm. I don't know why Linux would mess up the video like that on boot. Usually, the video mode stays the same until you start up X, unless the kernel has a vga=xxx option set in the bootloader to change to a different text mode or to enable framebuffer console on a system that has it built into the kernel. Alternatively, there's a moderate chance that enabling the framebuffer would help in this situation. Also, GeForce cards will auto-detect the presence of an S-Video output, from what I recall, so you might want to try plugging in a TV to see if anything is coming out that port when the system is booting. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ MS Windows -- From the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ people who brought you \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) EDLIN! [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030928/ebe9a8cb/attachment.pgp From rick at eworld3.net Sun Sep 28 19:29:56 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: home Message-ID: <3F777D04.5070305@eworld3.net> When the distro server is built, it will need a good home. If we are lucky enough to end up with more than one server then I think they should reside in separate homes. The server will need to have Internet access in order to keep it's mirrors fresh in between installfests. The server does not need to stay at one home forever. The server will need to be delivered to install fests. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Sun Sep 28 19:28:42 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 9 install with SMP kernel Message-ID: <200309281928.42241.wilson@visi.com> Hey everyone, Is there a way to specify that Redhat 9 use an SMP kernel when booting up initially? I mentioned this on the list some time back, but I bought an old VA Linux system a while ago and I've not had any luck getting Redhat to install on it. It's a 2U VA Linux 2200 w/ 2 650 MHz PIIIs and someone on the list mentioned that there were some known problems with the chipset as I recall. SuSE 8.2 will install on it, but for a variety of reasons, I want to run Redhat 9 on it. Anyone got any ideas? -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sun Sep 28 19:32:23 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: software Message-ID: <3F777D97.3090805@eworld3.net> IMHO we should start with about 5 - 10 distros. The main general purpose ones and also some for old/slow machines since there are always several people who come to installfests with old machines. I'll stick my neck out and suggest these as a start: general purpose: Red Hat SuSE Mandrake Debian light weight: Damn Small Linux Morphix The distro server needs to be set up to: 1. periodically retrieve the latest ISO images, mirrors, updates, whatever for the distros. 2. run without a monitor, keyboard, mouse. It has to boot and be ready to telnet in to. 3. be fairly secure. User's only need read access and be able to use the CD drive(s). 4. do DNS for the fest. At least I think this would be a good idea. What OS should be running on the distro server? I'm tempted to say XP but that would not even be funny. Ironic maybe but not funny. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sun Sep 28 19:30:49 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware Message-ID: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> I got a computer (no hard drives) from Wil that I tried to power up to see what CPU & RAM it had but it's not sending any signal to the monitor. No POST, but the fan comes on & LEDs light. It has a wacky solenoid and switch that I assume is to not allow you to work on it with the case open or not allow you open the case while the power is on or maybe it's a security feature to prevent tampering. Anyway it's a Compaq and the case is a little rough to work in. I think it's a P166, which is a bit slow even for a distro server. It has three DIMM sticks, one of unknown size, one 64 Mb, one 32 Mb. It currently has a brand new 52x CD-RW in the case. I have a 2Gig SCSI disk, and some external SCSI cases that have needed a good home for a while. I suspect that our best bet for getting a lot of disk space is to use SCSI. With SCSI we can more disks, even if they are small and if need be I think we can use multiple SCSI controllers. If we have parts for one or two machines that would be great but three is probably overkill. I was going to put this in the software thread but it's pretty closely related to hardware. Is this a good use for LVM? Since we will probably have various sized disks and the data on the disks can fairly easily be re-created from the net? I'm thinking that the OS and all the mechanism for doing the mirroring etc. would be on one disk that's *not* part of the logical volume but all the distros *would* be on the LV. I know almost nothing about the LVM so please tell me if this is not a good application of it. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Sun Sep 28 21:54:11 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewall pinholes Message-ID: <200309282154.11004.wilson@visi.com> Hey everyone, I bought a network MP3 player recently (http://slimdevices.com/) and one of its features is the ability to stream out over the Internet so that I could listen to my CDs from any Intenet-connected computer. Cool, but a rather large security risk it would seem. I've been playing around with IPCop (http://ipcop.org/) and have configured it to use a DMZ (three NICs in the box). The MP3 server software sits on a server in my LAN. I wonder if any of the following setups would approach acceptability from a security standpoint. 1. Forward incoming connections directly to MP3 server on LAN. **not good. included for completeness** 2. Move MP3 collection to the server in the DMZ. This would be a large hassle given the relative sizes and types of hard drives in the machines. 3. Forward incoming connections to DMZ and have the server in the DMZ connect to the inside LAN. 4. Configure firewall to accept incoming connections from my laptop only (using MAC address filtering) and proceed with option #1 or #3. 5. Use a VPN connection to the inside LAN. IPCop does IPSec. Would a PPro 200 with 96 MB RAM be enough horsepower for the firewall in this case? Any other ideas? -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Sep 28 22:29:11 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load- Part 2 In-Reply-To: <1064795245.27533.430.camel@3po> References: <20030928142912.6ffa931f.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F775F4B.20203@visi.com> <20030928174135.36cb05db.sfertch@real-time.com> <1064795245.27533.430.camel@3po> Message-ID: <20030929032911.GA19579@wookimus.net> Ever try booting into single user mode w/o X11 video support? Try using the "single" boot prompt option for your kernel at your bootloader prompt. e.g. "linux single" -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030928/6ef53b93/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Sep 28 22:36:19 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewall pinholes In-Reply-To: <200309282154.11004.wilson@visi.com> References: <200309282154.11004.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030929033619.GB19579@wookimus.net> On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 09:54:11PM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > 5. Use a VPN connection to the inside LAN. IPCop does IPSec. Would a > PPro 200 with 96 MB RAM be enough horsepower for the firewall in this > case? > > Any other ideas? Use SSH to tunnel the connection to your private services behind your firewall: shell$ nohup ssh -L 12345:192.168.1.2:12345 -n user@host& shell$ xmms http://localhost:12345/songlist.m3u -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was watching for solutions to >this one, but procmail must have eaten the replies... :) > >What was it that fixed it? > >-mj > > > Adding the "c" (no quotes) to a recipe to make it recurse, so to speak, by generating a duplicate message when there's another address in the list. I also had to use: :0 Wh: msgid.lock | $FORMAIL -D 8192 msgid.cache which seemed to work to get it to stop generating reduntant messages on the same simple item. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030928/55fe7fd0/attachment.html From gkrueger at cleosci.com Sun Sep 28 22:58:52 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail (was: Prestidigitators of Procmail) References: <1648.66.41.224.8.1064741048.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: <3F77ADFC.6050908@cleosci.com> > > >With sendmail, you must 'enable' the virtusertable when building yur >sendmail.cf file, and you must run 'makemap hash virtusertable < >virtusertable' after editing the virtusertable. If you're using a >default .cf file, likely the latter is all you need. Not sure what you >mean by "ran the make" on it.. > >-mj > > > Hmmm... I still must be screwing something up. I've verified that the FEATURE line is in sendmail.mc to enable the user of virtual user tables FEATURE(`virtusertable', `hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable.db')dnl I rebuilt sendmail.cf just in case using the line: m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf Then I restarted sendmail. My virtual user files has five users in it, format of: fred@bozo.com fred barney@bozo.com barney wilma@bozo.com wilma betty@bozo.com betty @bozo.com dino The virtusertable was rebuilt (before restarting sendmail) with the line: makemap hash /etc/mail/virtusertable < /etc/mail/virtusertable I then went to a yahoo account and sent email to fred@bozo.com, and (back at bozo) ran: fetchmail The mail was, once again, picked up and deposited in the bozo.com root's email account rather than fred's. Now, fred can send the email to the yahoo account without any trouble, and it's masquerading just fine as "fred@bozo.com" when it comes through to yahoo... I don't understand what I'm missing. If anyone has anymore ideas, I'll gladly take 'em :) Thanks! Garrett _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 29 01:20:57 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> References: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3F77CF49.9080205@visi.com> Hardware isn't hard for me I can visualize a machine that will do the work that needs to be done. Questions How many computers will be drawing how much data over the wire? How much disk space does an average distribution use? What kind of distributions will be available base, server, workstation, gamer, etc... ? How many distributions? A basic computer will work but under load will it choke on the IO? Hardware is expensive but so is down time at an install fest. Using quality server hardware for this is important because this machine will be moved around. A nice older compaq server would be stable, safe, flexible, and expandable. The big sell on this is the fact that the server could start with a smaller amount of space and easily grow to a huge amount of space. Pentium 2 or 3, 1 gig of ram, and 5 @ 18 gig disks would be a screamer. At a later time an external storage array could be added. The array could have 4 gig, 9 gig , 18 gig, or 36 gig disks. A combination of disks could be put in it. A compaq 4100 storage array takes 12 disks A compaq 3200 raid controller would be perfect Put 2 compaq 10/100 nicks in it and the thing will through put until dooms day. I went out to eBay and looked up "Compaq Proliant" now I'm really going to need to get a job :-P I hate/love/hate/love/hate/love ebay! Oops sorry :-[ I found the following, they're work horses. Proliant 5500 dual Xeon PII 450 loaded for $277.00 at the current bid. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3048391329&category=11212 Proliant 6500 quad Xeon P2 400 loaded for $122.00 at current bid. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3049004827&category=11212 Proliant 1850 dual PII 450 and an external storage array for $31.00 at the current bid. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3049639568&category=11212 Lots of possibilities. It may be possible to get a server like the above donated. Sam. Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > I got a computer (no hard drives) from Wil that I tried to power up to > see what CPU & RAM it had but it's not sending any signal to the > monitor. No POST, but the fan comes on & LEDs light. It has a wacky > solenoid and switch that I assume is to not allow you to work on it > with the case open or not allow you open the case while the power is > on or maybe it's a security feature to prevent tampering. Anyway it's > a Compaq and the case is a little rough to work in. I think it's a > P166, which is a bit slow even for a distro server. It has three DIMM > sticks, one of unknown size, one 64 Mb, one 32 Mb. It currently has a > brand new 52x CD-RW in the case. > > I have a 2Gig SCSI disk, and some external SCSI cases that have > needed a good home for a while. > > I suspect that our best bet for getting a lot of disk space > is to use SCSI. With SCSI we can more disks, even if they are small > and if need be I think we can use multiple SCSI controllers. > > If we have parts for one or two machines that would be great but > three is probably overkill. > > I was going to put this in the software thread but it's pretty closely > related to hardware. Is this a good use for LVM? Since we will > probably have various sized disks and the data on the disks can fairly > easily be re-created from the net? I'm thinking that the OS and all > the mechanism for doing the mirroring etc. would be on one disk that's > *not* part of the logical volume but all the distros *would* be on the > LV. I know almost nothing about the LVM so please tell me if this is > not a good application of it. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 29 01:25:34 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: software In-Reply-To: <3F777D97.3090805@eworld3.net> References: <3F777D97.3090805@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3F77D05E.1060202@visi.com> Any OS but a Linux OS would be, well, not right. I guess BSD or something would be OK but not a M$ OS. Can we add Slackware, it's a Minnesota grown distribution (just learned that) it would be good to promote something so close to home. Sam. Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > IMHO we should start with about 5 - 10 distros. The main general > purpose ones and also some for old/slow machines since there are > always several people who come to installfests with old machines. I'll > stick my neck out and suggest these as a start: > > general purpose: > Red Hat > SuSE > Mandrake > Debian > > light weight: > Damn Small Linux > Morphix > > The distro server needs to be set up to: > > 1. periodically retrieve the latest ISO images, mirrors, > updates, whatever for the distros. > > 2. run without a monitor, keyboard, mouse. It has to boot and > be ready to telnet in to. > > 3. be fairly secure. User's only need read access and be > able to use the CD drive(s). > > 4. do DNS for the fest. At least I think this would be a good idea. > > What OS should be running on the distro server? I'm tempted to > say XP but that would not even be funny. Ironic maybe but not funny. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Mon Sep 29 02:24:20 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: software In-Reply-To: <3F77D05E.1060202@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 01:25:34AM -0500 References: <3F777D97.3090805@eworld3.net> <3F77D05E.1060202@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030929022420.A12948@thinkunix.net> Sam MacDonald wrote: > Any OS but a Linux OS would be, well, not right. I guess BSD or > something would be OK but not a M$ OS. agreed, must be some form of Linux OS on the distro server. After all this is the Linux Users group and not some other OS user group. > Can we add Slackware, it's a Minnesota grown distribution (just learned > that) it would be good to promote something so close to home. Slackware and Knoppix should be included on the general purpose list. Knoppix is great for it's hardware detection and it's great for folks who want to try Linux without installing it on their hard drive. I like the idea of the smaller/lightweight distros for slower machines. Although I think you can get Debian and Slackware on low end machines pretty easily. > Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > > > IMHO we should start with about 5 - 10 distros. The main general > > purpose ones and also some for old/slow machines since there are > > always several people who come to installfests with old machines. I'll > > stick my neck out and suggest these as a start: > > > > general purpose: > > Red Hat > > SuSE > > Mandrake > > Debian > > > > light weight: > > Damn Small Linux > > Morphix > > > > The distro server needs to be set up to: > > > > 1. periodically retrieve the latest ISO images, mirrors, > > updates, whatever for the distros. > > > > 2. run without a monitor, keyboard, mouse. It has to boot and > > be ready to telnet in to. you will probably want serial console and a laptop to access the box in order to do initial network setup when first setting up the distro box at an installfest. Generally there are enough folks with laptops and/or keyboards/monitors that once could be borrowed for a few minutes to do the initial network config on the distro box. Myself, I'd much prefer serial console to carrying a monitor around. > > 3. be fairly secure. User's only need read access and be > > able to use the CD drive(s). > > > > 4. do DNS for the fest. At least I think this would be a good idea. > > > > What OS should be running on the distro server? I'm tempted to > > say XP but that would not even be funny. Ironic maybe but not funny. Linux!! -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Sep 29 04:27:14 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load- Part 2 In-Reply-To: <20030929032911.GA19579@wookimus.net> References: <20030928142912.6ffa931f.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F775F4B.20203@visi.com> <20030928174135.36cb05db.sfertch@real-time.com> <1064795245.27533.430.camel@3po> <20030929032911.GA19579@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030929042714.26a18d62.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:29:11 -0500 Chad Walstrom wrote: > Ever try booting into single user mode w/o X11 video support? Try > using the "single" boot prompt option for your kernel at your > bootloader prompt. e.g. "linux single" > Yep, tried with no luck. I'm not booting into an X login. This is a console, text only, login. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Sep 29 04:33:24 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load- Part 2 In-Reply-To: <1064795245.27533.430.camel@3po> References: <20030928142912.6ffa931f.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F775F4B.20203@visi.com> <20030928174135.36cb05db.sfertch@real-time.com> <1064795245.27533.430.camel@3po> Message-ID: <20030929043324.20ba4d96.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:27:26 -0500 Mike Hicks wrote: > Hmm. I don't know why Linux would mess up the video like that on > boot. Usually, the video mode stays the same until you start up X, > unless the kernel has a vga=xxx option set in the bootloader to change > to a different text mode or to enable framebuffer console on a system > that has it built into the kernel. > > Alternatively, there's a moderate chance that enabling the framebuffer > would help in this situation. > Here's my lilo.conf (the vga=773 line is the same on my other Slack boxes): # LILO configuration file # generated by 'liloconfig' # # Start LILO global section boot = /dev/hda message = /boot/boot_message.txt prompt timeout = 1200 # Override dangerous defaults that rewrite the partition table: change-rules reset # VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x256 vga = 773 # Normal VGA console # vga = normal # VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x64k # vga=791 # VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x32k # vga=790 # VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x256 # vga=773 # VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x64k # vga=788 # VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x32k # vga=787 # VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x256 # vga=771 # VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x64k # vga=785 # VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x32k # vga=784 # VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x256 # vga=769 # End LILO global section # DOS bootable partition config begins other = /dev/hda1 label = DOS table = /dev/hda # DOS bootable partition config ends # Linux bootable partition config begins image = /boot/vmlinuz root = /dev/hda2 label = Linux read-only # Linux bootable partition config ends > Also, GeForce cards will auto-detect the presence of an S-Video > output, from what I recall, so you might want to try plugging in a TV > to see if anything is coming out that port when the system is booting. > Our TV has an S-video input on it, but it's never worked. =( So, I'm out on that test. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 29 07:24:27 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: software In-Reply-To: <20030929022420.A12948@thinkunix.net> References: <3F777D97.3090805@eworld3.net> <3F77D05E.1060202@visi.com> <20030929022420.A12948@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <3F78247B.8060308@visi.com> Lets look at adding Cygwin, for 2 reasons For people who want to know about Linux and get a feel for what it is. For remote management of other systems. Sam. Scot Jenkins wrote: >Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>Any OS but a Linux OS would be, well, not right. I guess BSD or >>something would be OK but not a M$ OS. >> >> > >agreed, must be some form of Linux OS on the distro server. After all >this is the Linux Users group and not some other OS user group. > > > >>Can we add Slackware, it's a Minnesota grown distribution (just learned >>that) it would be good to promote something so close to home. >> >> > >Slackware and Knoppix should be included on the general purpose list. >Knoppix is great for it's hardware detection and it's great for folks >who want to try Linux without installing it on their hard drive. I like >the idea of the smaller/lightweight distros for slower machines. >Although I think you can get Debian and Slackware on low end machines >pretty easily. > > > >>Rick Meyerhoff wrote: >> >> >> >>>IMHO we should start with about 5 - 10 distros. The main general >>>purpose ones and also some for old/slow machines since there are >>>always several people who come to installfests with old machines. I'll >>>stick my neck out and suggest these as a start: >>> >>>general purpose: >>>Red Hat >>>SuSE >>>Mandrake >>>Debian >>> >>>light weight: >>>Damn Small Linux >>>Morphix >>> >>>The distro server needs to be set up to: >>> >>>1. periodically retrieve the latest ISO images, mirrors, >>>updates, whatever for the distros. >>> >>>2. run without a monitor, keyboard, mouse. It has to boot and >>>be ready to telnet in to. >>> >>> > >you will probably want serial console and a laptop to access the box >in order to do initial network setup when first setting up the distro >box at an installfest. Generally there are enough folks with laptops >and/or keyboards/monitors that once could be borrowed for a few minutes >to do the initial network config on the distro box. Myself, I'd much >prefer serial console to carrying a monitor around. > > > >>>3. be fairly secure. User's only need read access and be >>>able to use the CD drive(s). >>> >>>4. do DNS for the fest. At least I think this would be a good idea. >>> >>>What OS should be running on the distro server? I'm tempted to >>>say XP but that would not even be funny. Ironic maybe but not funny. >>> >>> > >Linux!! > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Sep 29 07:27:15 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <3F77CF49.9080205@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 01:20:57AM -0500 References: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> <3F77CF49.9080205@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030929072715.A21388@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 01:20:57AM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > A nice older compaq server would be stable, safe, flexible, and > expandable. Compaq servers can be nice. The one I have at home (an old Proliant 1500 tower with built-in SCSI array) has performed very well. However, Compaq servers do tend to have a few special quirks. See Richard Black's Compaq Servers and Linux site (http://www.cpqlinux.com/) for some good information on how to set up Linux on old Compaq servers. -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Mon Sep 29 02:42:15 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load- Part 2 In-Reply-To: <20030929043324.20ba4d96.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030928142912.6ffa931f.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F775F4B.20203@visi.com> <20030928174135.36cb05db.sfertch@real-time.com> <1064795245.27533.430.camel@3po> <20030929043324.20ba4d96.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030929074215.GA15565@karl> Shawn, try vga=ask at the boot prompt, then select none, or try some other settings. On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 04:33:24AM -0500, Shawn wrote: > Here's my lilo.conf (the vga=773 line is the same on my other Slack boxes): > # VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x256 > vga = 773 > # Normal VGA console > # vga = normal _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Sep 29 07:50:32 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load- Part 2 In-Reply-To: <20030929074215.GA15565@karl> References: <20030928142912.6ffa931f.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F775F4B.20203@visi.com> <20030928174135.36cb05db.sfertch@real-time.com> <1064795245.27533.430.camel@3po> <20030929043324.20ba4d96.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030929074215.GA15565@karl> Message-ID: <20030929075032.43eac7ea.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:42:15 -0500 Karl Bongers wrote: > Shawn, try vga=ask at the boot prompt, then select none, or try > some other settings. > Will do, have to wait until I get home now. I haven't done this before, what are the parameters like when I need to enter them? A numeric listing (ie: 1-8 ) or do I have to enter something like 1024x768? -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 29 08:14:10 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <20030929072715.A21388@joelschneider.net> References: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> <3F77CF49.9080205@visi.com> <20030929072715.A21388@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <3F783022.3000103@visi.com> I agree that some Compaq servers have quirks when it comes to Linux. Notice that it is mostly Redhat installations that have issues and the issues are surmountable. Using the correct OS installation settings in SmartStart will help avoid running in to issues when installing Linux on a Compaq server. Sam. Joel Schneider wrote: >On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 01:20:57AM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>A nice older compaq server would be stable, safe, flexible, and >>expandable. >> >> > >Compaq servers can be nice. The one I have at home (an old Proliant >1500 tower with built-in SCSI array) has performed very well. > >However, Compaq servers do tend to have a few special quirks. See >Richard Black's Compaq Servers and Linux site (http://www.cpqlinux.com/) >for some good information on how to set up Linux on old Compaq servers. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jim at herrick.net Mon Sep 29 08:10:50 2003 From: jim at herrick.net (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail (was: Prestidigitators of Procmail) Message-ID: <011b01c3868b$1bdd7420$471b49c0@chief> Use: makemap hash /etc/mail/virtusertable.db < /etc/mail/virtusertable instead of makemap hash /etc/mail/virtusertable < /etc/mail/virtusertable Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "gkrueger" To: Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sendmail (was: Prestidigitators of Procmail) > > > > > >With sendmail, you must 'enable' the virtusertable when building yur > >sendmail.cf file, and you must run 'makemap hash virtusertable < > >virtusertable' after editing the virtusertable. If you're using a > >default .cf file, likely the latter is all you need. Not sure what you > >mean by "ran the make" on it.. > > > >-mj > > > > > > > Hmmm... I still must be screwing something up. I've verified that the > FEATURE line is in sendmail.mc to enable the user of virtual user tables > > FEATURE(`virtusertable', `hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable.db')dnl > > I rebuilt sendmail.cf just in case using the line: > m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf Then I restarted sendmail. > > My virtual user files has five users in it, format of: > fred@bozo.com fred > barney@bozo.com barney > wilma@bozo.com wilma > betty@bozo.com betty > @bozo.com dino > > The virtusertable was rebuilt (before restarting sendmail) with the line: > makemap hash /etc/mail/virtusertable < /etc/mail/virtusertable > > I then went to a yahoo account and sent email to fred@bozo.com, and > (back at bozo) ran: > fetchmail > > The mail was, once again, picked up and deposited in the bozo.com root's > email account rather than fred's. Now, fred can send the email to the > yahoo account without any trouble, and it's masquerading just fine as > "fred@bozo.com" when it comes through to yahoo... > > I don't understand what I'm missing. If anyone has anymore ideas, I'll > gladly take 'em :) Thanks! > > Garrett > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Sep 29 08:54:45 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <3F783022.3000103@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 08:14:10AM -0500 References: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> <3F77CF49.9080205@visi.com> <20030929072715.A21388@joelschneider.net> <3F783022.3000103@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030929085445.B21388@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 08:14:10AM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I agree that some Compaq servers have quirks when it comes to Linux. > Notice that it is mostly Redhat installations that have issues and the > issues are surmountable. In order to install Debian on the ProLiant, I found it necessary to use a boot disk containing a Linux kernel with compiled-in support for the SMART array. I don't think the Compaq quirks are RedHat specific. It's possible that newer distros may have better hardware recognition, enabling them to automatically recognize the SMART array and set up an appropriate initrd image (IIRC, this was the case with Mandrake 7). > Using the correct OS installation settings in SmartStart will help avoid > running in to issues when installing Linux on a Compaq server. Mine didn't come with a SmartStart CD, but the Compaq (now HP) web site was very helpful. E.g.: http://h18023.www1.hp.com/support/files/server/us/locate/8_1127.html -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Mon Sep 29 09:05:19 2003 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running services---beware of n00b In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D370B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D370B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <200309290905.19939.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Thursday 25 September 2003 12:15 pm, Lansing, Dan wrote: > I have written a small ugly script to restart some services which > occasionally quit for unknown reasons...is there a way I can write a script > to check if the services are running and run my restart script if they die? > > Dan Lansing I know I am kinda late in the game but I thought I would mention Monit (http://www.tildeslash.com/monit/). It would be able to go exactly what you are talking about here. -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 29 09:16:40 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <20030929085445.B21388@joelschneider.net> References: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> <3F77CF49.9080205@visi.com> <20030929072715.A21388@joelschneider.net> <3F783022.3000103@visi.com> <20030929085445.B21388@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <3F783EC8.2090404@visi.com> If anyone needs SmartStart CD's let me know I have access to these. Joel Schneider wrote: >On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 08:14:10AM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>I agree that some Compaq servers have quirks when it comes to Linux. >>Notice that it is mostly Redhat installations that have issues and the >>issues are surmountable. >> >> > >In order to install Debian on the ProLiant, I found it necessary to use >a boot disk containing a Linux kernel with compiled-in support for the >SMART array. I don't think the Compaq quirks are RedHat specific. > >It's possible that newer distros may have better hardware recognition, >enabling them to automatically recognize the SMART array and set up an >appropriate initrd image (IIRC, this was the case with Mandrake 7). > > > >>Using the correct OS installation settings in SmartStart will help avoid >>running in to issues when installing Linux on a Compaq server. >> >> > >Mine didn't come with a SmartStart CD, but the Compaq (now HP) web site >was very helpful. E.g.: > >http://h18023.www1.hp.com/support/files/server/us/locate/8_1127.html > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Sep 29 09:31:55 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:33:35 -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > What processor do you have in the machine, it just occurred to me that > > some of the new processors do some sort of forking, or piping, or > > something that can make them appear as 2 processors, I can't remember > > what it's called. > > Hyperthreading - on Xeon processors... And P4's, over 3.06GHz, IIRC. As it's a 2.53, though, it wasn't the problem. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at JentgeS.NeT Mon Sep 29 08:44:26 2003 From: mike at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <3F783022.3000103@visi.com> References: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> <3F77CF49.9080205@visi.com> <20030929072715.A21388@joelschneider.net> <3F783022.3000103@visi.com> Message-ID: <3397.199.199.150.6.1064843066.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> And hence spewed: Sam MacDonald > I agree that some Compaq servers have quirks when it comes to Linux. > Notice that it is mostly Redhat installations that have issues and the > issues are surmountable. > Using the correct OS installation settings in SmartStart will help avoid > running in to issues when installing Linux on a Compaq server. > Hmm.... Care to elaborate on which models/distributions? I've had awesome luck with both redhat & slack on Proliant 1600's, 3000's and a 5500.... -mj _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jim at bleedpurple.com Mon Sep 29 07:29:51 2003 From: jim at bleedpurple.com (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail (was: Prestidigitators of Procmail) References: <1648.66.41.224.8.1064741048.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F77ADFC.6050908@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <00c101c38685$62c006b0$471b49c0@chief> Use: makemap hash /etc/mail/virtusertable.db < /etc/mail/virtusertable instead of makemap hash /etc/mail/virtusertable < /etc/mail/virtusertable Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "gkrueger" To: Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sendmail (was: Prestidigitators of Procmail) > > > > > >With sendmail, you must 'enable' the virtusertable when building yur > >sendmail.cf file, and you must run 'makemap hash virtusertable < > >virtusertable' after editing the virtusertable. If you're using a > >default .cf file, likely the latter is all you need. Not sure what you > >mean by "ran the make" on it.. > > > >-mj > > > > > > > Hmmm... I still must be screwing something up. I've verified that the > FEATURE line is in sendmail.mc to enable the user of virtual user tables > > FEATURE(`virtusertable', `hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable.db')dnl > > I rebuilt sendmail.cf just in case using the line: > m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf Then I restarted sendmail. > > My virtual user files has five users in it, format of: > fred@bozo.com fred > barney@bozo.com barney > wilma@bozo.com wilma > betty@bozo.com betty > @bozo.com dino > > The virtusertable was rebuilt (before restarting sendmail) with the line: > makemap hash /etc/mail/virtusertable < /etc/mail/virtusertable > > I then went to a yahoo account and sent email to fred@bozo.com, and > (back at bozo) ran: > fetchmail > > The mail was, once again, picked up and deposited in the bozo.com root's > email account rather than fred's. Now, fred can send the email to the > yahoo account without any trouble, and it's masquerading just fine as > "fred@bozo.com" when it comes through to yahoo... > > I don't understand what I'm missing. If anyone has anymore ideas, I'll > gladly take 'em :) Thanks! > > Garrett > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at JentgeS.NeT Mon Sep 29 00:52:59 2003 From: mike at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Prestidigitators of Procmail In-Reply-To: <3F77AA8F.8050802@cleosci.com> References: <3F74A83A.6060907@cleosci.com> <20030926213006.GB14018@wookimus.net> <3F75F689.20107@cleosci.com> <3587.199.199.150.6.1064700443.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F77AA8F.8050802@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <2663.199.199.150.6.1064814779.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> >> > Adding the "c" (no quotes) to a recipe to make it recurse, so to speak, > by generating a duplicate message when there's another address in the > list. I also had to use: > > :0 Wh: msgid.lock > | $FORMAIL -D 8192 msgid.cache > > which seemed to work to get it to stop generating reduntant messages on > the same simple item. Could you please send the entire syntax you're using for this? I'm procmail-ly challenged and am trying to overcome it. :) Thanks, -mj --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at JentgeS.NeT Mon Sep 29 00:49:46 2003 From: mike at JentgeS.NeT (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail (was: Prestidigitators of Procmail) In-Reply-To: <3F77ADFC.6050908@cleosci.com> References: <1648.66.41.224.8.1064741048.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F77ADFC.6050908@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <2614.199.199.150.6.1064814586.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> > I rebuilt sendmail.cf just in case using the line: > m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf Then I restarted > sendmail. I'm not sure, but I thought there was more to it than that. I have always used the 'Build' script in the sendmail src tree, sendmail-8.x.x/cf/cf/. Might want to verify you're doing it right unless you already know this. > My virtual user files has five users in it, format of: > fred@bozo.com fred > barney@bozo.com barney > wilma@bozo.com wilma > betty@bozo.com betty > @bozo.com dino > You've got a contradiction going here. Last line says 'all mail to bozo.com goes to dino'. Choose one or the other. > The virtusertable was rebuilt (before restarting sendmail) with the > line: makemap hash /etc/mail/virtusertable < > /etc/mail/virtusertable > > I then went to a yahoo account and sent email to fred@bozo.com, and > (back at bozo) ran: > fetchmail Why, and as what user? Try watching /var/log/maillog when you send the mail in from yahoo. > The mail was, once again, picked up and deposited in the bozo.com root's > email account rather than fred's. Now, fred can send the email to the If you ran fetchmail as root, that'd be why. Again, I don't see the reason for running fetchmail here. Fred should be able to login and get his mail as user fred. > yahoo account without any trouble, and it's masquerading just fine as > "fred@bozo.com" when it comes through to yahoo... > The above based on the assumption you want mail to fred@bozo.com to go to fred@localhost, same for wilma, etc. Correct? -mj > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 29 11:48:51 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <3397.199.199.150.6.1064843066.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> References: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> <3F77CF49.9080205@visi.com> <20030929072715.A21388@joelschneider.net> <3F783022.3000103@visi.com> <3397.199.199.150.6.1064843066.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: <3F786273.8020209@visi.com> The Compaq Proliant 2500 had (at one time) an issue with memory. But it was corrected with the "mem=" parameter in Lilo. Someone else had an issue with array controllers using Debian. He had to use a floppy boot that had the array controller driver. The point is that Compaq fully supports Linux and has many resources available. The website that was mentioned http://www.cpqlinux.com/ and it's a good site but... ************************************************ Compaq Servers and Linux _*Site Updated March 21, 2002 *_Index Updated January 25, 2002 Site Created September 20, 1999 __ *********************************************** Perspective... Sam. Michael Jentges wrote: >And hence spewed: Sam MacDonald > > >>I agree that some Compaq servers have quirks when it comes to Linux. >>Notice that it is mostly Redhat installations that have issues and the >>issues are surmountable. >>Using the correct OS installation settings in SmartStart will help avoid >> running in to issues when installing Linux on a Compaq server. >> >> >> > >Hmm.... Care to elaborate on which models/distributions? I've had awesome >luck with both redhat & slack on Proliant 1600's, 3000's and a 5500.... > >-mj > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Mon Sep 29 06:41:10 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux won't load- Part 2 In-Reply-To: <20030929075032.43eac7ea.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030928142912.6ffa931f.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F775F4B.20203@visi.com> <20030928174135.36cb05db.sfertch@real-time.com> <1064795245.27533.430.camel@3po> <20030929043324.20ba4d96.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030929074215.GA15565@karl> <20030929075032.43eac7ea.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030929114110.GA16744@karl> An easy list of VGA selections and prompt should appear. Like select 1-8 for this, or press space for none, I forget the details. On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:50:32AM -0500, Shawn wrote: > On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:42:15 -0500 > Karl Bongers wrote: > > > Shawn, try vga=ask at the boot prompt, then select none, or try > > some other settings. > > > > Will do, have to wait until I get home now. I haven't done this before, what are the parameters like when I need to enter them? A numeric listing (ie: 1-8 ) or do I have to enter something like 1024x768? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Sep 29 12:02:50 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Prestidigitators of Procmail In-Reply-To: <2663.199.199.150.6.1064814779.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> References: <3F74A83A.6060907@cleosci.com> <20030926213006.GB14018@wookimus.net> <3F75F689.20107@cleosci.com> <3587.199.199.150.6.1064700443.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F77AA8F.8050802@cleosci.com> <2663.199.199.150.6.1064814779.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: <20030929170250.GE27480@wookimus.net> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 12:52:59AM -0500, Michael Jentges wrote: > Could you please send the entire syntax you're using for this? I'm > procmail-ly challenged and am trying to overcome it. :) See also: procmail(1), procmailrc(5), procmailex(5), procmailsc(5), formail(1), http://pm-doc.sourceforge.net, http://pm-lib.sourceforge.net -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Especially for older machines. -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nota12b at iglide.net Mon Sep 29 14:54:26 2003 From: nota12b at iglide.net (Wil) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:37 2005 Subject: Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <20030929103901.32608.92372.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030929103901.32608.92372.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1064865265.2177.9.camel@loki.valhalla> > I got a computer (no hard drives) from Wil that I tried to power up to > see what CPU & RAM it had but it's not sending any signal to the > monitor. No POST, but the fan comes on & LEDs light. It has a wacky > solenoid and switch that I assume is to not allow you to work on it > with the case open or not allow you open the case while the power is > on or maybe it's a security feature to prevent tampering. Anyway it's > a Compaq and the case is a little rough to work in. I think it's a > P166, which is a bit slow even for a distro server. It has three DIMM > sticks, one of unknown size, one 64 Mb, one 32 Mb. It currently has a > brand new 52x CD-RW in the case. > > I have a 2Gig SCSI disk, and some external SCSI cases that have > needed a good home for a while. > > I suspect that our best bet for getting a lot of disk space > is to use SCSI. With SCSI we can more disks, even if they are small > and if need be I think we can use multiple SCSI controllers. > > If we have parts for one or two machines that would be great but > three is probably overkill. > > I was going to put this in the software thread but it's pretty closely > related to hardware. Is this a good use for LVM? Since we will > probably have various sized disks and the data on the disks can fairly > easily be re-created from the net? I'm thinking that the OS and all > the mechanism for doing the mirroring etc. would be on one disk that's > *not* part of the logical volume but all the distros *would* be on the > LV. I know almost nothing about the LVM so please tell me if this is > not a good application of it. > > -- > Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff > rick@eworld3.net > 952-929-1659 The plan was this: I acquired the machine, did a little research and 'think' it's a 166mmx. (OK, so it's a little lite in the pants for a server, but for FREE... *shrug*) Had a stick of unknown memory in it. I had 2 x 64Mb sticks, so added them. Came with the CDRW, so that was a no-brainer My intent was to pass along a 'reasonable' machine that could travel to the installfests and burn images of 'anything' somebody might want for distros - RH, SuSE, Mandrake (where I started), Knoppix, Gentoo, Debian, etc etc etc... I got the box for free. If it works, great, if not, cannibalize it and put it in something that will suffice. SURELY out of all the 'normal attendees' (and others) for the installfests we can either get this thing to limp up off the ground OR build a better one. So far I'm out the 2x64Mb sticks, but I'd never have used them again anyway... If it survives to run as is, great, but if not I'd still like to see the parts build a better mousetrap to the benefit of any and all that are not so far removed from me when I showed up to my first one about 3 years ago... -- Wil Now back to your regularly scheduled procrastination, already in progress... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Sep 29 15:37:02 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail (was: Prestidigitators of Procmail) In-Reply-To: <2614.199.199.150.6.1064814586.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Michael Jentges wrote: > > I rebuilt sendmail.cf just in case using the line: > > m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf Then I restarted > > sendmail. > > I'm not sure, but I thought there was more to it than that. I have always > used the 'Build' script in the sendmail src tree, sendmail-8.x.x/cf/cf/. > Might want to verify you're doing it right unless you already know this. Yeah, the idea is to use the Build script. If your .mc file is whatever.mc, run: ./Build whatever.cf (Yes, whatever.cf doesn't exist. But it should after you run that.) > > My virtual user files has five users in it, format of: > > fred@bozo.com fred > > barney@bozo.com barney > > wilma@bozo.com wilma > > betty@bozo.com betty > > @bozo.com dino > > You've got a contradiction going here. Last line says 'all mail to > bozo.com goes to dino'. Choose one or the other. Nope. Any unqualified mail (that is, all mail except to the four addresses he specified) goes to dino. It's a catch-all for the remainder of the mail. (The main side effect being that when spammers start making up usernames, they all go through.) *snip* Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 29 18:17:02 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <20030929124227.C21388@joelschneider.net> References: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> <3F77CF49.9080205@visi.com> <20030929072715.A21388@joelschneider.net> <3F783022.3000103@visi.com> <3397.199.199.150.6.1064843066.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F786273.8020209@visi.com> <20030929124227.C21388@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <3F78BD6E.5050803@visi.com> My point is the site hasn't been updated in almost a year and a half. That means it may or may not have information about the latests distributions that's all. Sam. Joel Schneider wrote: >On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 11:48:51AM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>The website that was mentioned http://www.cpqlinux.com/ >>and it's a good site but... >>************************************************ >>Compaq Servers and Linux >>_*Site Updated March 21, 2002 >>*_Index Updated January 25, 2002 >>Site Created September 20, 1999 __ >>*********************************************** >> >> > >The www.cpqlinux.com site does have a very high Google PageRank: > >http://www.google.com/linux?q=compaq+proliant > >It really is a useful source of information on Compaq Servers and Linux. >Especially for older machines. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Sep 29 20:03:51 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The class so far. Message-ID: <3F78D677.10408@visi.com> The class is informative and interesting. It is explaining a set of tools that Novell has used for some time to do system administration. It's a web based tool-set like webmin, but with a cross platform approch. They are also going over Ximian's Red Carpet, this is a web based software distribution tool for Linux using RPM's. It's sort of like Debian's apt-get but it's a client and server application that runs as a daemon. Several companies have it in place already. The problem I see in all these browser based tools. The fact that the administration can be done in India or Brazil at 1/3 the cost of US workers. The tools make it so easy to administer servers that an untrained person can do the work. Ximian has a contract with IBM Global Services, that means the jobs will go off shore to save companies money. That's what IBM Global Services is all about. ("save companies money" = larger wallets for executives and fewer I/T jobs in the US = IBM Global Services) All these companies need to do social impact studies before they decide to write software. The first thing they do is enable off shoring of 9/10 of the work. People are spending $5000 - $10,000 for an education, borrowing the money, but by the time they get certified the jobs will be off shore. I just can't fathom why anyone would want to stay in I/T. Driving a school bus is sounding better all the time. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at JentgeS.NeT Mon Sep 29 20:35:59 2003 From: mike at JentgeS.NeT (Mike J.) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The class so far. In-Reply-To: <3F78D677.10408@visi.com> References: <3F78D677.10408@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F78DDFF.8040309@jentges.NET> Sam MacDonald wrote: > > I just can't fathom why anyone would want to stay in I/T. Driving a > school bus is sounding better all the time. Well, I hear there are distinct advantages to working in the food service industry as well! Seriously though, I want to stay at it because I like it! That, coupled with the fact I just SWITCHED to this racket 5-6 years ago from being a machinist for 15 years, because people were making money doing this. Ridiculous money, comparatively. You might be right about the big outfits going off-shore, but optimistically speaking, there's still plenty of small businesses out there, lacking in the funds to deploy, 'de-worm' , upgrade, etc etc all these "certifiably expensive" products, yet in need of quality IT services to remain competitive. Not to mention, there's just a whole lot less corporate political BS involved with them. You don't need shiny shoes, dockers, etc. if you know what you're doing, and you do it for the right price. Old Proliants have done well in this area too. :) Been a long 2 years but I'm still here, and things are finally looking up. Only at about ground level at this point, but up none the less. Moral of the story? I think those that neglect to "think outside the EXE" might be in for some trouble, but with open source, open mind and some late night work I believe there is still hope for those that DO think of and deploy alternative methods. Besides, when's the last time you were on a loaded school bus? In case you haven't heard, spitballs and paper airplanes are out this year. Guns, knives and cocky, smartass attitudes seem to be the thing now. To quote James T. Kirk, "Gentlemen, there are ALWAYS alternatives!" -mj > > > Sam. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Sep 29 20:48:56 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Prestidigitators of Procmail References: <3F74A83A.6060907@cleosci.com> <20030926213006.GB14018@wookimus.net> <3F75F689.20107@cleosci.com> <3587.199.199.150.6.1064700443.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F77AA8F.8050802@cleosci.com> <2663.199.199.150.6.1064814779.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: <007001c386f5$02a45720$0201a8c0@brinstar> Michael Jentges writes: > Could you please send the entire syntax you're using for this? I'm > procmail-ly challenged and am trying to overcome it. :) You might like maildrop. It's syntax is much less esoteric. If I used a server side mail filter, I would definitely choose maildrop over procmail: http://www.flounder.net/~mrsam/maildrop/ http://www.flounder.net/~mrsam/maildrop/maildrop.html http://www.flounder.net/~mrsam/maildrop/maildropfilter.html -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Sep 29 21:31:00 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Prestidigitators of Procmail In-Reply-To: <007001c386f5$02a45720$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3F74A83A.6060907@cleosci.com> <20030926213006.GB14018@wookimus.net> <3F75F689.20107@cleosci.com> <3587.199.199.150.6.1064700443.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F77AA8F.8050802@cleosci.com> <2663.199.199.150.6.1064814779.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <007001c386f5$02a45720$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030930023100.GA4203@wookimus.net> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 08:48:56PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > You might like maildrop. It's syntax is much less esoteric. If there is one thing that I would like to recognize DJB's contributions of mindshare to Internet community was the development of the Maildir format. He combined the useful and flexible MH format -- one file per email -- and removed file locking issues by giving every email a unique name[1]. I plan on implementing Maildir/ delivery with our new email server (if ever I get that far). That being said, I LOVE my nmh[2] email client for quickly scanning my mailbox w/o having to drop into some eye-candy MUA. nmh works best with the MH mail format, and doesn't understand Maildir at all. It's email management symantecs rely heavily upon the filesystem. Additionally, nmh isn't nearly as easy to use as mutt[3]. So, I have a love-hate relationship with all email management. ;-) References ========== 1. http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html 2. http://www.nognu.org/nmh/ 3. http://www.mutt.org -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Sep 29 21:46:05 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The class so far. References: <3F78D677.10408@visi.com> Message-ID: <019601c386fc$fe8d9cc0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Sam MacDonald writes: > The problem I see in all these browser based tools. The fact that the > administration can be done in India or Brazil at 1/3 the cost of US > workers. The tools make it so easy to administer servers that an > untrained person can do the work. That argument is ridiculous. Why do I want to do a job that an untrained monkey can do? I don't. If my job is so simple that it can be replaced by a better piece of software and a monkey, then I'm worthless. I deserve to get replaced. When that day comes, it's time to do something else. Suppose I'm a system administrator and have a task to do every day that takes me an hour. If I write a program to do that job for me, does that make me less valuable? No, it makes me more valuable. That means I now have an extra hour a day to do things that make my company money. Not writing the program is wasting my company money, assuming the amount of time it takes to write the program is reasonable. Jobs get sent out of country because no one here wants to do them. Very few people want to stand in a factory all day and do the exact same repetitive task. Those jobs are either replaced by a machine or given to a foreigner. Don't be upset because your job was to push a button, and we found a way to eliminate the button or get someone cheaper to push it. > All these companies need to do social impact studies before they > decide to write software. Better technology will always put people out of work temporarily. That doesn't mean we shouldn't create the technology. It enables far more jobs in the future. What if computers weren't created because it put typists out of work? My job consists of solving problems by writing software. There are three scenarios that would force me to do something else: - No one needs new software or needs existing software to be modified - Cheaper people can do the same job as me - Computers can program themselves As long as computers exist, there will always be a demand for new software to be created and for existing software to be modified. I don't just write software. I solve problems. There are a number of steps: understanding a problem, talking to the right people, engineering a design, writing the software, testing the software, deploying the software, etc. Software also has to be maintained and modified. Software must meet business requirements, be secure and be robust. These things don't happen by accident, and they don't get any cheaper by sending them outside the office, much less outside the country. Programming requires creativity, which is a part of sentience. As soon as computers have that, the game is over. Having to find a new line of work will be the least of my worries. I don't know if that day will be good or bad, but it will certainly be interesting. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at JentgeS.NeT Mon Sep 29 21:42:21 2003 From: mike at JentgeS.NeT (Mike J.) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <3F786273.8020209@visi.com> References: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> <3F77CF49.9080205@visi.com> <20030929072715.A21388@joelschneider.net> <3F783022.3000103@visi.com> <3397.199.199.150.6.1064843066.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F786273.8020209@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F78ED8D.4040708@jentges.NET> Sam MacDonald wrote: > The Compaq Proliant 2500 had (at one time) an issue with memory. But > it was corrected with the "mem=" parameter in Lilo. Right. Just built one of those about 2 months ago. Threw me for a bit, but that's exactly what I ended up doing. > Someone else had an issue with array controllers using Debian. He had > to use a floppy boot that had the array controller driver. Umm... I have a hard time believing that one. The biggest problem I've run into with their array controllers is the fact that Slackware (at least) does not update the 'boot=/dev/sda' line in lilo.conf to reflect 'boot=/dev/ida/c0d0p1' or whatever the case might be. Since the floppy "driver" worked, one can safely assume the controller was not defective. I can't recall for certain, but I believe most all the Smart Array controllers use the same module, cpqarray. the much older SMART2 may have used something different, memory evades me. I'm not a 'redhat' kinda guy, but admittedly as far back as 6.2 it installs quite simply on these machines. Never tried Debian on one, likely never will. I suppose there are some things you just can't 'apt-get'. :D Spoken like the true Compaq slut that I am.... > The point is that Compaq fully supports Linux and has many resources > available. The website that was mentioned > http://www.cpqlinux.com/ and it's a good site but... > ************************************************ > Compaq Servers and Linux > _*Site Updated March 21, 2002 > *_Index Updated January 25, 2002 > Site Created September 20, 1999 __ > *********************************************** > Perhaps that's the last real support needed? I haven't put linux on any of the newer servers, but I've purchased a new Evo Desktop, and Evo laptop within the last 2 years. Using Slackware, EVERYTHING worked first time, first boot after installation, including a gauddy KDE desktop, sound, etc. The only exception was the LT Winmodem built into the laptop. IIRC they've been supported for a while now. I've no need so I never bothered. I've deployed several desktops of the same model using Win2k, but not w/o visiting the site to fetch drivers, etc. This company doesn't use any pre-loads, which likely would have contained these drivers. I just thought it rather cool that Linux went on easier than the OS the sticker on the front says the unit is 'Designed for'. If you look at the sales side of their site, you'll note that the new Evo DESKTOP machines offer a choice of 3 operating systems, pre loaded. Windows XP Home edition (on a business PC?) or for an xtra $66 they'll load Windows 2000 Pro, or **** Mandrake Linux.**** > Perspective... You said it, I didn't. :) > Sam. -mj >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Sep 29 22:00:08 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <3F78ED8D.4040708@jentges.NET>; from mike@JentgeS.NeT on Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 09:42:21PM -0500 References: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> <3F77CF49.9080205@visi.com> <20030929072715.A21388@joelschneider.net> <3F783022.3000103@visi.com> <3397.199.199.150.6.1064843066.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F786273.8020209@visi.com> <3F78ED8D.4040708@jentges.NET> Message-ID: <20030929220008.E21388@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 09:42:21PM -0500, Mike J. wrote: > Sam MacDonald wrote: > > Someone else had an issue with array controllers using Debian. He had > > to use a floppy boot that had the array controller driver. > > Umm... I have a hard time believing that one. Installing Debian on the ProLiant was straightforward once I learned to use the "compact" boot floppy image instead of the regular one. Some time ago, I put together a web page with all the gory details: http://www.joelschneider.net/compaq_proliant_1500_debian_potato.html -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 29 22:59:31 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> References: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <1064894369.27533.2011.camel@3po> SCSI? Sorry, but that's just not cost-effective, even when sifting through the junk pile. And, instead of a monstrous tower case, why not try a Mini-ITX box? More than enough storage and computing power could be put into a system smaller and lighter than most of the books I lugged around throughout college (well, probably not quite, but damn close). Another alternative might be to find an older laptop and get some CardBus adapters for 1394 and 100Mbit Ethernet, and just use external FireWire drives for storage. Those things can be daisy-chained to your heart's content. A smaller system could be better because it would allow you to more easily bring it to Real-Time or the U of M to rsync with the big mirrors there, freeing you from the need to keep it plugged in somewhere, syncing continuously... But, that's just my opinion. A stone-soup system would be cheaper and more eco-friendly (well, meaning nothing new was made), so it's just something to think about... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ What happens if you touch / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ these two wires tog- \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030929/170bad2d/attachment.pgp From nota12b at mail.iglide.net Mon Sep 29 23:41:38 2003 From: nota12b at mail.iglide.net (Wil) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Look MA - no closed source!! Message-ID: <200309292241.AA95813872@mail.iglide.net> Ok, so the title is a LITTLE misleading, but still - enjoy! http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=74&e=2&u=/cmp/20030929/tc_cmp/15200603 ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ Sent via the KillerWebMail system at mail.iglide.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 30 00:07:42 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <3F78ED8D.4040708@jentges.NET> References: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> <3F77CF49.9080205@visi.com> <20030929072715.A21388@joelschneider.net> <3F783022.3000103@visi.com> <3397.199.199.150.6.1064843066.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F786273.8020209@visi.com> <3F78ED8D.4040708@jentges.NET> Message-ID: <3F790F9E.8020007@visi.com> Don't get me wrong I love the Compaq hardware. Sam. Mike J. wrote: > Sam MacDonald wrote: > >> The Compaq Proliant 2500 had (at one time) an issue with memory. But >> it was corrected with the "mem=" parameter in Lilo. > > > Right. Just built one of those about 2 months ago. Threw me for a bit, > but that's exactly what I ended up doing. > >> Someone else had an issue with array controllers using Debian. He had >> to use a floppy boot that had the array controller driver. > > > Umm... I have a hard time believing that one. The biggest problem I've > run into with their array controllers is the fact that Slackware (at > least) does not update the 'boot=/dev/sda' line in lilo.conf to > reflect 'boot=/dev/ida/c0d0p1' or whatever the case might be. Since > the floppy "driver" worked, one can safely assume the controller was > not defective. I can't recall for certain, but I believe most all the > Smart Array controllers use the same module, cpqarray. the much older > SMART2 may have used something different, memory evades me. I'm not a > 'redhat' kinda guy, but admittedly as far back as 6.2 it installs > quite simply on these machines. Never tried Debian on one, likely > never will. I suppose there are some things you just can't 'apt-get'. :D > > Spoken like the true Compaq slut that I am.... > >> The point is that Compaq fully supports Linux and has many resources >> available. The website that was mentioned >> http://www.cpqlinux.com/ and it's a good site but... >> ************************************************ >> Compaq Servers and Linux >> _*Site Updated March 21, 2002 >> *_Index Updated January 25, 2002 >> Site Created September 20, 1999 __ >> *********************************************** >> > Perhaps that's the last real support needed? I haven't put linux on > any of the newer servers, but I've purchased a new Evo Desktop, and > Evo laptop within the last 2 years. Using Slackware, EVERYTHING worked > first time, first boot after installation, including a gauddy KDE > desktop, sound, etc. The only exception was the LT Winmodem built into > the laptop. IIRC they've been supported for a while now. I've no need > so I never bothered. I've deployed several desktops of the same model > using Win2k, but not w/o visiting the site to fetch drivers, etc. > This company doesn't use any pre-loads, which likely would have > contained these drivers. I just thought it rather cool that Linux went > on easier than the OS the sticker on the front says the unit is > 'Designed for'. > > If you look at the sales side of their site, you'll note that the new > Evo DESKTOP machines offer a choice of 3 operating systems, pre > loaded. Windows XP Home edition (on a business PC?) or for an xtra $66 > they'll load Windows 2000 Pro, or **** Mandrake Linux.**** > >> Perspective... > > > You said it, I didn't. :) > >> Sam. > > > -mj > >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 30 00:11:44 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The class so far. In-Reply-To: <019601c386fc$fe8d9cc0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3F78D677.10408@visi.com> <019601c386fc$fe8d9cc0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <3F791090.80300@visi.com> All hail the god, "business". I don't think so. David Phillips wrote: >Sam MacDonald writes: > > >>The problem I see in all these browser based tools. The fact that the >>administration can be done in India or Brazil at 1/3 the cost of US >>workers. The tools make it so easy to administer servers that an >>untrained person can do the work. >> >> > >That argument is ridiculous. Why do I want to do a job that an untrained >monkey can do? I don't. If my job is so simple that it can be replaced by >a better piece of software and a monkey, then I'm worthless. I deserve to >get replaced. When that day comes, it's time to do something else. > >Suppose I'm a system administrator and have a task to do every day that >takes me an hour. If I write a program to do that job for me, does that >make me less valuable? No, it makes me more valuable. That means I now >have an extra hour a day to do things that make my company money. Not >writing the program is wasting my company money, assuming the amount of time >it takes to write the program is reasonable. > >Jobs get sent out of country because no one here wants to do them. Very few >people want to stand in a factory all day and do the exact same repetitive >task. Those jobs are either replaced by a machine or given to a foreigner. > >Don't be upset because your job was to push a button, and we found a way to >eliminate the button or get someone cheaper to push it. > > > >>All these companies need to do social impact studies before they >>decide to write software. >> >> > >Better technology will always put people out of work temporarily. That >doesn't mean we shouldn't create the technology. It enables far more jobs >in the future. What if computers weren't created because it put typists out >of work? > >My job consists of solving problems by writing software. There are three >scenarios that would force me to do something else: > >- No one needs new software or needs existing software to be modified >- Cheaper people can do the same job as me >- Computers can program themselves > >As long as computers exist, there will always be a demand for new software >to be created and for existing software to be modified. > >I don't just write software. I solve problems. There are a number of >steps: understanding a problem, talking to the right people, engineering a >design, writing the software, testing the software, deploying the software, >etc. Software also has to be maintained and modified. Software must meet >business requirements, be secure and be robust. These things don't happen >by accident, and they don't get any cheaper by sending them outside the >office, much less outside the country. > >Programming requires creativity, which is a part of sentience. As soon as >computers have that, the game is over. Having to find a new line of work >will be the least of my worries. I don't know if that day will be good or >bad, but it will certainly be interesting. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Mon Sep 29 23:50:39 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <1064894369.27533.2011.camel@3po> References: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> <1064894369.27533.2011.camel@3po> Message-ID: <20030929235039.237a7f93.william.layer@comcast.net> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:59:31 -0500 Mike Hicks wrote: > SCSI? Sorry, but that's just not cost-effective, even when sifting > through the junk pile. And, instead of a monstrous tower case, why not > try a Mini-ITX box? More than enough storage and computing power could > be put into a system smaller and lighter than most of the books I lugged > around throughout college (well, probably not quite, but damn close). Why not just take this idea one step further, and instead of contructing a box to maintain, why not just have some willing member maintain the distro server on a USB 2.0 or firewire external IDE drive? 120GB of storage is probably sufficient for our needs; that would allow for numerous different distros, and most of them would not be nearly that large. (Ipcop, Damn Small etc) A firewire or USB 2.0 PCMCIA card could round out the "distro server's" hardware.. in the event we had to press a port-incompatible laptop into service. Then, at the installfest, we'd just need to make sure that someone had a stable machine with the right ports.. which could be just about anything. Makes things easier to transport (and reduces the worry of damage; external drives are easier to protect, and since we will be 'borrowing' box hardware, we can rest assured that folks have taken reasonable care of their own stuff), and seems to make financial sense as well. Finally, Jima rolls a very tight RPM.. he has updated and fixed packages for various RH distros in varying distress. Would be good to include those as well, as available.. Anyway, my thoughts.. -L _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at JentgeS.NeT Mon Sep 29 22:43:23 2003 From: mike at JentgeS.NeT (Mike J.) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <20030929220008.E21388@joelschneider.net> References: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> <3F77CF49.9080205@visi.com> <20030929072715.A21388@joelschneider.net> <3F783022.3000103@visi.com> <3397.199.199.150.6.1064843066.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F786273.8020209@visi.com> <3F78ED8D.4040708@jentges.NET> <20030929220008.E21388@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <3F78FBDB.3080800@jentges.NET> Joel Schneider wrote: >On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 09:42:21PM -0500, Mike J. wrote: > > >>Sam MacDonald wrote: >> >> >>>Someone else had an issue with array controllers using Debian. He had >>>to use a floppy boot that had the array controller driver. >>> >>> >>Umm... I have a hard time believing that one. >> >> > >Installing Debian on the ProLiant was straightforward once I learned to >use the "compact" boot floppy image instead of the regular one. > >Some time ago, I put together a web page with all the gory details: >http://www.joelschneider.net/compaq_proliant_1500_debian_potato.html > > > Very nice! Doesn't get a whole lot more detailed and informative than that! -mj _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Tue Sep 30 00:15:22 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail (was: Prestidigitators of Procmail) References: <1648.66.41.224.8.1064741048.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> <3F77ADFC.6050908@cleosci.com> <2614.199.199.150.6.1064814586.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: <3F79116A.3090304@cleosci.com> > > > > >>The mail was, once again, picked up and deposited in the bozo.com root's >> email account rather than fred's. Now, fred can send the email to the >> >> > >If you ran fetchmail as root, that'd be why. Again, I don't see the reason >for running fetchmail here. Fred should be able to login and get his mail >as user fred. > > > >>yahoo account without any trouble, and it's masquerading just fine as >>"fred@bozo.com" when it comes through to yahoo... >> >> >> >The above based on the assumption you want mail to fred@bozo.com to go to >fred@localhost, same for wilma, etc. Correct? > > Yes, I do want the above (fred@bozo.com goes to fred@localhost), but I don't want all of the individual users having to "fetchmail" from the ISP server -- expecially since they don't have accounts there. I only want one user (root, for example) to pick up the mail on the ISP's server, and then I want the mail distributed on the local server so that the users can log in locally and pick up their individual mail. So far, all I can find to make that work is a combination using procmail. However, I was under the (perhaps mistaken) assumption that I did not need procmail; rather that the virtusertable entries somehow made this work. I'm not seeing it happen though. I've hit the Internet hard, and I keep finding snippets, but nothing diffinitively lays out whether or not this works and/or what combination of effects makes it work. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030930/83f031c9/attachment.htm From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Sep 30 01:56:08 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <20030929235039.237a7f93.william.layer@comcast.net>; from william.layer@comcast.net on Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 11:50:39PM -0500 References: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> <1064894369.27533.2011.camel@3po> <20030929235039.237a7f93.william.layer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20030930015608.A22003@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 11:50:39PM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:59:31 -0500 > Mike Hicks wrote: > > > SCSI? Sorry, but that's just not cost-effective, even when sifting > > through the junk pile. And, instead of a monstrous tower case, why not > > try a Mini-ITX box? More than enough storage and computing power could > > be put into a system smaller and lighter than most of the books I lugged > > around throughout college (well, probably not quite, but damn close). > > Why not just take this idea one step further, and instead of > contructing a box to maintain, why not just have some willing member > maintain the distro server on a USB 2.0 or firewire external IDE > drive? 120GB of storage is probably sufficient for our needs; that > would allow for numerous different distros, and most of them would not > be nearly that large. (Ipcop, Damn Small etc) That's an interesting idea. This approach could also make it easy to clone the disk and set up multiple distro servers, if needed. -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Sep 30 07:30:03 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The class so far. In-Reply-To: <3F78D677.10408@visi.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I just can't fathom why anyone would want to stay in I/T. Driving a > school bus is sounding better all the time. I'm not so sure. I had a nice chat with a (physical) security guy on Sunday night who used to drive a school bus. It was enough to keep me from ever considering the job. :) Of course, now that I think about it, his particular career change seems almost natural. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Sep 30 07:30:31 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The class so far. Message-ID: Finish the sentence: Jobs get sent out of country because no one here wants to do them for as little as it costs to send them overseas. But I think you are right: tools created to ease system administration are not the reason jobs go overseas. It may be a facilitator, but it benefits admins in the US too. One example is that I can now write my AI-Monkey software and provide sysadmin outsourcing for millions of these new 'untrained monkey friendly' systems! Woohoo! >>> david@acz.org 09/29/03 09:46PM >>> Jobs get sent out of country because no one here wants to do them. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Tue Sep 30 08:03:27 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The class so far. Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B13A@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam MacDonald [mailto:smac@visi.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:12 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The class so far. > > > All hail the god, "business". Yes, it would be better if business just went away. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Sep 30 08:10:36 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The class so far. References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B13A@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <3F7980CC.60003@structural-wood.com> Ryan Ware wrote: > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Sam MacDonald [mailto:smac@visi.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:12 AM >>To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The class so far. >> >> >>All hail the god, "business". > > > Yes, it would be better if business just went away. > And thus we close the loop - business is evil because it is going away, therefore business should go away. \ | / -pop- / | \ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Tue Sep 30 10:01:29 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] SCO roadshow Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAC5@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Slightly off topic but SCO is having a 'roadshow' free registration....October 14.... https://vrs.verite.com/sco/index.cfm?action=register&event_id=123&lcode=enu link to register..... I'm sure it will be 'informative' if anyone can go....could be a large number of party crashers there......:) Dan Lansing _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Sep 30 10:08:32 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] SCO roadshow In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAC5@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAC5@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030930150831.GA14634@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 10:01:29AM -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Slightly off topic but SCO is having a 'roadshow' free registration....October 14.... > https://vrs.verite.com/sco/index.cfm?action=register&event_id=123&lcode=enu > link to register..... > I'm sure it will be 'informative' if anyone can go....could be a large number of party crashers there......:) > Looks like a free breakfast to me! -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Tue Sep 30 10:10:06 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] SCO roadshow Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3716@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Lunch too maybe??? And as mentioned on /. Maybe some free e-bay-able sco loot! Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John J. Trammell Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:09 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] SCO roadshow Looks like a free breakfast to me! -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Tue Sep 30 10:22:19 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Prestidigitators of Procmail Message-ID: Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> chewie@wookimus.net 09/29/03 09:31PM >>> >That being said, I LOVE my nmh[2] email client for quickly scanning my >mailbox w/o having to drop into some eye-candy MUA. nmh works best with >the MH mail format, and doesn't understand Maildir at all. It's email >management symantecs rely heavily upon the filesystem. Additionally, >nmh isn't nearly as easy to use as mutt[3]. OK, I'll preface this by saying that I don't know nmh. Sam Varsavchick (author of maildrop and courier) has created a text based email client using the same libraries used by courier for consistency. It uses Maildir format and should be reasonably stable at this point. Take a look at Cone and see what you think. Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Tue Sep 30 10:30:54 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail (was: Prestidigitators of Procmail) Message-ID: Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> gkrueger@cleosci.com 09/30/03 12:15AM >>> >Yes, I do want the above (fred@bozo.com goes to fred@localhost), but I >don't want all of the individual users having to "fetchmail" from the >ISP server -- expecially since they don't have accounts there. I only >want one user (root, for example) to pick up the mail on the ISP's >server, and then I want the mail distributed on the local server so >that the users can log in locally and pick up their individual mail. So >far, all I can find to make that work is a combination using procmail. Getmail will do that for you. I've used it - not as flexible in some ways as fetchmail, but handles multiple users much better, IMO. It delivers directly to the local mailbox, so that may be a problem for you, I can't say. Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sjs at visi.com Tue Sep 30 10:17:17 2003 From: sjs at visi.com (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <20030929235039.237a7f93.william.layer@comcast.net> References: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> <1064894369.27533.2011.camel@3po> <20030929235039.237a7f93.william.layer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F799E7D.7010801@visi.com> Bill Layer wrote: > > > Why not just take this idea one step further, and instead of contructing a box to maintain, why not just have some willing member maintain the distro server on a USB 2.0 or firewire external IDE drive? 120GB of storage is probably sufficient for our needs; that would allow for numerous different distros, and most of them would not be nearly that large. (Ipcop, Damn Small etc) > > A firewire or USB 2.0 PCMCIA card could round out the "distro server's" hardware.. in the event we had to press a port-incompatible laptop into service. > > Then, at the installfest, we'd just need to make sure that someone had a stable machine with the right ports.. which could be just about anything. Makes things easier to transport (and reduces the worry of damage; external drives are easier to protect, and since we will be 'borrowing' box hardware, we can rest assured that folks have taken reasonable care of their own stuff), and seems to make financial sense as well. > > Finally, Jima rolls a very tight RPM.. he has updated and fixed packages for various RH distros in varying distress. Would be good to include those as well, as available.. > > Anyway, my thoughts.. > > -L > Why use one large server at all? There are several people who maintain their own mirrors for various distros (myself included), who may be persuaded to bring in their mirror, resulting in several boxen. The thought of an installfest balancing entirely on ***one*** machine scares the bejeezuz out of me... $0.02 Spencer J Sinn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Tue Sep 30 10:40:04 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] SCO roadshow In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAC5@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <5C80EEB8-F35C-11D7-9E0C-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> On Tuesday, Sep 30, 2003, at 10:01 US/Central, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Slightly off topic but SCO is having a 'roadshow' free > registration....October 14.... > https://vrs.verite.com/sco/ > index.cfm?action=register&event_id=123&lcode=enu > link to register..... > I'm sure it will be 'informative' if anyone can go....could be a large > number of party crashers there......:) Any attention you pay to these morons will lend credence to their allegations in the eyes of the uninformed. "Protesting", "Party Crashing", or otherwise obnoxious behaviors will make the whole community look like a lawless mob of script kiddies to the media. Let the big dogs fight it out in court. Make your dissatisfaction known through letters to your congressman or other government rep (wonder what Mike Hatch thinks about SCO and their idle threats and scare tactics...) > > Dan Lansing > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens http://us-admins.com/~blutgens/ US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Tue Sep 30 10:50:45 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] SCO roadshow Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B13F@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@us-admins.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:40 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] SCO roadshow > > > > On Tuesday, Sep 30, 2003, at 10:01 US/Central, Lansing, Dan wrote: > > > Slightly off topic but SCO is having a 'roadshow' free > > registration....October 14.... > > https://vrs.verite.com/sco/ > > index.cfm?action=register&event_id=123&lcode=enu > > link to register..... > > I'm sure it will be 'informative' if anyone can go....could > be a large > > number of party crashers there......:) > > Any attention you pay to these morons will lend credence to their > allegations in the eyes of the uninformed. "Protesting", "Party > Crashing", or otherwise obnoxious behaviors will make the whole > community look like a lawless mob of script kiddies to the media. Excellent point. There was a pretty decent article I saw talking about the credence lent to this topic already by some mishandling by the community and some companies. http://www.technewsworld.com/perl/story/31702.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Sep 30 10:55:30 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] command-line email tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030930155530.GA5332@wookimus.net> On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 10:22:19AM -0500, Bruce Broecker wrote: > OK, I'll preface this by saying that I don't know nmh. Sam Varsavchick > (author of maildrop and courier) has created a text based email client > using the same libraries used by courier for consistency. It uses > Maildir format and should be reasonably stable at this point. Take a > look at Cone and see what you think. nmh is a non-interactive command-line email tool. In other words, I don't need to leave the "shell$" prompt for anything. I would use maildir format if I had a comparable tool. Although cone is probably a very nice console-based, interactive email client, it's not what I'm looking for. There does seem to be a tool that I'm looking for called, believe it or not, mailtool. ;-) Probably by the same author. This one _does_ do what I would like. I'll have to check it out. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Again, I don't >> see the reason for running fetchmail here. Fred should be able >> to login and get his mail as user fred. >> >> >> >>> yahoo account without any trouble, and it's masquerading just >>> fine as "fred@bozo.com" when it comes through to yahoo... >>> >>> >>> >> The above based on the assumption you want mail to >> fred@bozo.com to go to fred@localhost, same for wilma, >> etc. Correct? >> >> gkrueger> Yes, I do want the above (fred@bozo.com goes to gkrueger> fred@localhost), but I don't want all of the individual gkrueger> users having to "fetchmail" from the ISP server -- gkrueger> expecially since they don't have accounts there. I only gkrueger> want one user (root, for example) to pick up the mail on gkrueger> the ISP's server, and then I want the mail distributed gkrueger> on the local server so that the users can log in locally gkrueger> and pick up their individual mail. So far, all I can gkrueger> find to make that work is a combination using procmail. Can't you have fetchmail (daemon, running as root) pick the mail off the server, then stuff it down a pipe to sendmail (postfix, exim, qmail, or whatever religious persuasion you belong to), which will use the virtusertable to get it to the right mailboxes? That would not involve procmail at all. Perhaps I'm overlooking some complication... R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben.neigebauer at compellent.com Tue Sep 30 14:11:57 2003 From: ben.neigebauer at compellent.com (Neigebauer, Ben) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NAS Distro Message-ID: <146431CFD07FE94984B432636FCDF8060FB850@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> Is there a distro for just NAS devices? Anything with an easy to configure interface? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The real question is what distro of Linux should run the server? -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Tue Sep 30 18:52:48 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: hardware In-Reply-To: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> References: <3F777D39.8000506@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3F7A1750.8050003@eworld3.net> Sorry for not being more clear. Does anyone have hardware that they are willing to donate for this project? If people are willing to put up money to buy the exact hardware that we need, that would be great. Maybe we need two threads, one that discusses various "ideal" solutions and the other for "let's cobble something together out of spare parts". Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > I got a computer (no hard drives) from Wil that I tried to power up to > see what CPU & RAM it had but it's not sending any signal to the > monitor. No POST, but the fan comes on & LEDs light. It has a wacky > solenoid and switch that I assume is to not allow you to work on it > with the case open or not allow you open the case while the power is > on or maybe it's a security feature to prevent tampering. Anyway it's > a Compaq and the case is a little rough to work in. I think it's a > P166, which is a bit slow even for a distro server. It has three DIMM > sticks, one of unknown size, one 64 Mb, one 32 Mb. It currently has a > brand new 52x CD-RW in the case. > > I have a 2Gig SCSI disk, and some external SCSI cases that have > needed a good home for a while. > > I suspect that our best bet for getting a lot of disk space > is to use SCSI. With SCSI we can more disks, even if they are small > and if need be I think we can use multiple SCSI controllers. > > If we have parts for one or two machines that would be great but > three is probably overkill. > > I was going to put this in the software thread but it's pretty closely > related to hardware. Is this a good use for LVM? Since we will > probably have various sized disks and the data on the disks can fairly > easily be re-created from the net? I'm thinking that the OS and all > the mechanism for doing the mirroring etc. would be on one disk that's > *not* part of the logical volume but all the distros *would* be on the > LV. I know almost nothing about the LVM so please tell me if this is > not a good application of it. > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Sep 30 19:25:06 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: software In-Reply-To: <3F7A1603.7000809@eworld3.net> References: <3F777D97.3090805@eworld3.net> <3F7A1603.7000809@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20031001002506.GG1206@iucha.net> On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 06:47:15PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > >What OS should be running on the distro server? I'm tempted to > >say XP but that would not even be funny. Ironic maybe but not funny. > It seems that my little joke was not apparent. > The real question is what distro of Linux should run the server? Throwing my two gal. of gas: What text editor are we going to use to edit the configuration files? Does it really matter? Who hosts the server can install whatever he is confortable with. The server will export http/ftp/nfs. Who cares what distribution is running on it? Cheers, florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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These tools are also useful in .qmail files. http://cr.yp.to/mess822.html -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Sep 30 20:31:58 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro server: software In-Reply-To: <3F7A1603.7000809@eworld3.net> References: <3F777D97.3090805@eworld3.net> <3F7A1603.7000809@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3F7A2E8E.5070502@visi.com> I vote for Debian Base, this will keep the initial footprint of the OS small. Adding only what is needed to do the job like ftpd, samba, httpd, and others. Sam. Rick Meyerhoff wrote: >> What OS should be running on the distro server? I'm tempted to >> say XP but that would not even be funny. Ironic maybe but not funny. > > It seems that my little joke was not apparent. > The real question is what distro of Linux should run the server? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Tue Sep 30 20:39:12 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scanner help needed Message-ID: <3F7A3040.5020708@eworld3.net> Someone at the last installfest gave me a USB scanner but I have not been able to get it working. I have never worked with any scanner before. I am running Mandrake 9.1 & I installed SANE. I've read all the man pages and searched the web but I can't figure out why it does not work. - When I turn on the scanner, I get an Xsane icon on my desktop. - The Mandrake control center, ScannerDrake sees the scanner. - SANE supports the scanner. - The device gets created: $ ll /dev/usb total 0 crw-rw---- 1 rick usb 180, 48 Dec 31 1969 scanner0 drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Dec 31 1969 tts/ - When I try to use Xsane, it says: "Failed to open device 'snapscan:/dev/usb/scanner0': Invalid argument" - scanimage is similarly unhappy: $ scanimage [snapscan] download_firmware: No firmware entry found in config file snapscan.conf. scanimage: open of device snapscan:/dev/usb/scanner0 failed: Invalid argument I can't figure out what argument it is talking about? -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Sep 24 14:41:51 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] [TCLUG] PARTY REMINDER (Let's all have fun again) Message-ID: Copied to -announce, as per request. Yay! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:22:04 -0500 From: Bill Layer Subject: [TCLUG] PARTY REMINDER (Let's all have fun again) With the 'Beermeeting Issues' thread now only a painful memory, here is a reminder about the party we have scheduled: When: Friday, September 26th - 8:00pm to whenever Where: Legendre's, naturally.. 506 Edmund Ave. St. Paul 55103 Who: TCLUG members & friends in high spirits! Minor children welcome until 10:00pm or so, but be advised - the house & property are not child-proof by any means. What: Music, video, snacks, booze, stupidity. Bring any of the above to share, if you can. Contact: legendre@nerp.net for any questions; RSVP is *not* required. Be there, or be rhomboid. -L _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 25 09:13:20 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:42:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Free training opportunity Message-ID: <20030925141320.GA764@fandre.com> Greetings fellow TCLUGers, Novell has offered the TCLUG an opportunity to attend two Novell/Linux classes free of charge. There are 15 seats available for an introduction to "Why is Novell into Linux. Why HP,IBM and Dell say Novell is the best thing for Linux" On Monday the 29th from 1:00 PM till 5 PM find out with hands on why Novell is into Linux. On Tuesday the 30 from 8:00 am till 11:00 get an understanding of Ximian Desktop and the management of services delivered. This will be held at the 8500 Normandale Lake Tower in Bloomington. Please write a one paragraph message why you would like to attend and you will be in the running for one of the 15 seats. This would normally cost $500 to attend. Since there isn't much time left, please try to get back to me ASAP. Please send submissions to clay@fandre.com. -- Clay _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list