On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 07:02:44AM -0600, Bob Hartmann wrote:
>    You're right, Dan.  I really ought to stop recommending TWiki.
>    <nop>_It was_  <nop>*by far* the best thing alive when I put it up 4
>    years ago at a former employer.  I did the ugly task of forcing people
>    to use BumpyWords.  (tsk,tsk, I'm editing your doc! do it right!)
>    Hindsight, I think it caught on because I wrote 90% of everything for
>    2 years and my techs could search for and maybe even *find* useful
>    info instead of phkng calling me all day.
>    TWiki for me was simply a great way to write quick stuff quickly and
>    to publish more format-intensive stuff consistently.  then there's,
>    mm, LDAP Plugin.  Search the dreckry from yer browser?  The TWiki core
>    developers are very consistent and conservative.  Good for them, I
>    think, but wikked little tools (perl tools) like that one make me
>    wanna take these guys seriously.
>    I still don't know why perl is a strike against, tho, or how TWiki is
>    any more difficult to install and configure than any mySQL/PHP thing.
>    I can put up a TWiki in about 20 minutes.. Mm, now I should go back
>    and read my first paragraph again.  And get proficient at mySQL and
>    PHP.
>    perl is probably the worst language ever written.. and the most
>    useful.  I can't find the quote!

Lol.. ok, 

>    I still don't know why perl is a strike against, tho, ...
2 lines later..
>    perl is probably the worst language ever written..

hehe..

Getting the site set up isn't too terribly bad, after you deal with cpan
and 3rd party perl deps..  The worst part is once you get it set up,
figuring out the namespace scope stuff.  Took me a while to wrap my head
around their namespaces (and by that I mean Main, TWiki, Sandbox, and
then the ones that you can create).  Great, so once I figure them out,
they're kind of a neat way to separate your data.  But then as soon as
an unsuspecting user tries to link to an article in the Administration
web from the Development web, it doesn't work and I get a call..  Now
I'm stuck explaining namespaces to some luser.  Modern wiki's are much
more friendly in this respect (plus php/mysql apps really are much
easier to install than perl apps), and I don't find that it's really a
problem having only one namespace.  Heck, the biggest wiki in the world
(wikipedia) only has one namespace, and they don't seem to mind.  

Dan