Here is my two cents from way outside the sidelines: My impression from reading the original email was that maybe it was intended as an old joke, a play on words. i.e. TCLUG was TCGLUG because you mentioned going out for a beer, as in glug, glug, glug, drink up. But if that was the intention, I'd expect some of you closer to the group to have mentioned it. I was interested to hear he was in town, but I was not intending to go to the meeting. I'm a fan of Linux but not rabid about GNU only. I want to use whatever works or whatever I need for the task. To me that means being able to use a printer or display media files even if they don't have GNU drivers. Now I'll go back to the sidelines and read the mail some more..... Doug.