From tclug at lizakowski.com Wed Apr 1 00:16:13 2009 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 00:16:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting this Month? In-Reply-To: <1238553581.3601.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1238553581.3601.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200904010016.13574.tclug@lizakowski.com> I'm planning a meeting where we can work on the website collectively. The idea is to get interested parties together and start working on it asap. Jeremy On Tuesday 31 March 2009 9:39:41 pm Neal Zimmermann wrote: > I was checking the web site, but was not able to see if there is a > meeting this month. > > Is that an oversight with the web sites "problems" recently or will > there be no meeting Saturday? > > Neal > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090401/95e794b2/attachment-0001.htm From bob at grunners.com Wed Apr 1 09:32:44 2009 From: bob at grunners.com (Bob De Mars) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:32:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DIY Router/Firewall/Media Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B702514E38@lcldc01.LCL.local> > I'm interested in building my own router/firewall box. Do any of you > know of a good tutorial or resources? That depends. Are you looking to build a firewall/router from scratch for learning purposes, or are you looking for an easy throw in disk, wait 12 minutes, reboot & you have a firewall solution? If you are looking to learn, then grab your favorite distro & do a google search (ie: Slackware firewall, or what ever) and you will find what you seek. Or simply search Linux firewall, and you will be busy for awhile. If you are looking for an all in one situation, then I would recommend checking out www.smoothwall.org www.ipcop.org www.freesco.org I have been running smoothwall at my home for about 7 or 8 years, and I like it a lot. It supports 4 NIC's to separate your internet, dmz, LAN, and wireless (if you want to be paranoid about it like me). For home it rocks. I have even used it to connect three offices at work via vpn in the pastas well. This setup was kicked to the curb one day when a handful of Cisco PIX 501's fell into my lap however. I have been running Smoothwall on a Pent Pro 200 w/ 128Megs of ram with out problems. Runs nice, and has a web gui config if you like that kinda stuff. I would recommend this one. IPCop is good too. This project started as a fork from Smoothwall several years back. Not sure why anymore, but a couple friends of mine use it and have nothing but kind things to say about it. If all you can dig up is a 100Mhz processor or less check out fresco. This is a nice & easy solution that can run on hardware picked up in the back alley somewhere. There are more, but I have never tried them so I cannot say. > Additionally, would it be too much to include a media server in such a > box? Abort mission on this. Although what you propose is possible, it kinda defeats the purpose of the firewall. Keep the media server separate, and safely behind the firwall. Good Hunting! Bob De Mars IT Manager T: 651 925 1510 bob at grunners.com Cell: 612 850 6940 www.grunners.com From kris.browne at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 10:37:59 2009 From: kris.browne at gmail.com (Kristopher Browne) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:37:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DIY Router/Firewall/Media Server In-Reply-To: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B702514E38@lcldc01.LCL.local> References: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B702514E38@lcldc01.LCL.local> Message-ID: >> Additionally, would it be too much to include a media server in >> such a >> box? > > Abort mission on this. Although what you propose is possible, it > kinda > defeats the purpose of the firewall. Keep the media server separate, > and safely behind the firwall. If you can find a little more box to work with, there is a way that you can do this mostly safely and get some more experience out of it: VMware Server. Setup the host system with nothing but hardware console access, then assign separate NICs to each guest system. Though not as secure as separate hardware, it's pretty close and is enough for a lot of larger companies to use the concept. -- Kristopher Browne kris dot browne at gmail dot com 612-353-6969 home 612-408-4431 cell -- - - Ban the bomb. Save the world for conventional warfare. On Apr 1, 2009, at 09:32:44, Bob De Mars wrote: >> I'm interested in building my own router/firewall box. Do any of you >> know of a good tutorial or resources? > > That depends. Are you looking to build a firewall/router from scratch > for learning purposes, or are you looking for an easy throw in disk, > wait 12 minutes, reboot & you have a firewall solution? > > If you are looking to learn, then grab your favorite distro & do a > google search (ie: Slackware firewall, or what ever) and you will find > what you seek. Or simply search Linux firewall, and you will be busy > for awhile. > > If you are looking for an all in one situation, then I would recommend > checking out > > www.smoothwall.org > > www.ipcop.org > > www.freesco.org > > I have been running smoothwall at my home for about 7 or 8 years, > and I > like it a lot. It supports 4 NIC's to separate your internet, dmz, > LAN, > and wireless (if you want to be paranoid about it like me). For > home it > rocks. I have even used it to connect three offices at work via vpn > in > the pastas well. This setup was kicked to the curb one day when a > handful of Cisco PIX 501's fell into my lap however. I have been > running Smoothwall on a Pent Pro 200 w/ 128Megs of ram with out > problems. Runs nice, and has a web gui config if you like that kinda > stuff. I would recommend this one. > > IPCop is good too. This project started as a fork from Smoothwall > several years back. Not sure why anymore, but a couple friends of > mine > use it and have nothing but kind things to say about it. > > If all you can dig up is a 100Mhz processor or less check out fresco. > This is a nice & easy solution that can run on hardware picked up in > the > back alley somewhere. > > There are more, but I have never tried them so I cannot say. > > Good Hunting! > > Bob De Mars > IT Manager > T: 651 925 1510 bob at grunners.com > Cell: 612 850 6940 www.grunners.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090401/96b295e6/attachment.htm From trieff at greencaremankato.com Wed Apr 1 11:09:49 2009 From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:09:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 51, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Benjamin, I put a couple of IPCops together with OpenVPN. Zerina Project. So far so good. Do not know about adding the media server. Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:23:02 -0500 From: benjaminGramlich Subject: [tclug-list] DIY Router/Firewall/MediaServer To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all, I'm interested in building my own router/firewall box. Do any of you know of a good tutorial or resources? I don't really know all the hardware (and the pros and cons of different pieces/brands) that I'd need so a tutorial that explains the necessary requirements would be helpful. Additionally, would it be too much to include a media server in such a box? Has anyone here had success with such a venture? cheers, benjamin From cwgriesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 11:26:01 2009 From: cwgriesel at gmail.com (Curtis Griesel) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:26:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wiki Software In-Reply-To: <7f246bf00904010924y63d56dc5gaebbb716d94666e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <49D293D2.10801@Goecke-Dolan.com> <5A6D9AFF-3A7E-4189-A233-A9DD9DCC3416@secure-computing.net> <49D29AA2.2090502@Goecke-Dolan.com> <7f246bf00904010924y63d56dc5gaebbb716d94666e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f246bf00904010926t38ae8a3ax93403ce385527cd2@mail.gmail.com> There have been several attempts to integrate WYSIWYG editors with MediaWiki. ?That way you get all of the power and standardization of MediaWiki with the (presumed) benefits of a WYSIWYG editor. Have you looked at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor? > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Brian Dolan-Goecke > wrote: >> >> Yea, I didn't make that clear. >> >> The two most important things I am looking for are: >> ? - Something easy to use for non-technical people, something your mom >> or grandma could use >> ? - Something easy to manage/administer >> >> I have found the wiki's that use mark up languages difficult to use, and >> I am sure my mother would not be able to use. >> >> ==>brian. >> >> Eric F Crist wrote: >>> On Mar 31, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote: >>> >>>> I am looking for some new wiki software. ?I was wonder what people are >>>> using out there ? or any suggestions ? >>>> >>>> What suggestions people have ? >>>> What are you using ? >>>> Would you recommend it ? >>>> Is it easy to use ? ubereasy to use ? >>>> Easy to manage ? >>> >>> >>> I use Mediawiki in a half-dozen locations and have had lots of luck with >>> it. ?You don't mention what you're trying to get away from, so I'm not >>> sure this will help. >>> >>> http://mediawiki.org >>> --- >>> Eric Crist >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > From chrome at real-time.com Wed Apr 1 12:47:58 2009 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:47:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wiki Software In-Reply-To: ; from andyzib@gmail.com on Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 05:24:43PM -0500 References: <49D293D2.10801@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: <20090401124758.H23013@real-time.com> I've found MoinMoin to be pretty easy to install and use. http://moinmo.in/ Beats TikiWiki by a mile for ease of installation and use. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From wilson at visi.com Wed Apr 1 13:09:00 2009 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:09:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wiki Software In-Reply-To: <20090401124758.H23013@real-time.com> References: <49D293D2.10801@Goecke-Dolan.com> <20090401124758.H23013@real-time.com> Message-ID: <51C2C132-5FCB-48C2-87B1-28DC05D2DA98@visi.com> On Apr 1, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I've found MoinMoin to be pretty easy to install and use. > > http://moinmo.in/ +1 for MoinMoin. If you know Python you can create some simple little scripts to do some fun things. -Tim -- Tim Wilson, The Savvy Technologist Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson at visi.com aim: tis270 blog: http://technosavvy.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090401/da0c6320/attachment.htm From florin at iucha.net Thu Apr 2 09:17:49 2009 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:17:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DIY Router/Firewall/MediaServer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090402141749.GR7679@iris.iucha.org> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:23:02PM -0500, benjaminGramlich wrote: > I'm interested in building my own router/firewall box. Do any of you > know of a good tutorial or resources? I don't really know all the > hardware (and the pros and cons of different pieces/brands) that I'd > need so a tutorial that explains the necessary requirements would be > helpful. Additionally, would it be too much to include a media server in > such a box? Has anyone here had success with such a venture? Check this out: http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2d1.htm I always wanted to get one and build my own, but never got the time. Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But you could use it for a firewall too... But not a media server. But its only 79$ and is totally open. --j On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:23:02PM -0500, benjaminGramlich wrote: > > I'm interested in building my own router/firewall box. Do any of you > > know of a good tutorial or resources? I don't really know all the > > hardware (and the pros and cons of different pieces/brands) that I'd > > need so a tutorial that explains the necessary requirements would be > > helpful. Additionally, would it be too much to include a media server in > > such a box? Has anyone here had success with such a venture? > > Check this out: > > http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2d1.htm > > I always wanted to get one and build my own, but never got the time. > > Cheers, > florin > > -- > Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. > http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090402/230dbd54/attachment.htm From trnja001 at umn.edu Thu Apr 2 11:35:31 2009 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:35:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] gfs/zfs/lustre In-Reply-To: <862206.85552.qm@web57601.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <862206.85552.qm@web57601.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D4E953.2090800@umn.edu> I'm taking a look at GlusterFS (not the same as lustre) which does seem to have great performance and is reliable, although I haven't tested that due to lack of hardware. Ted Maul wrote: > Does anyone have experience with gfs, zfs, or lustre? I'd like to > add/remove nodes at will and I'm wondering which fs would work best. > I'm not looking for blistering performance, just something that's > fairly reliable and easily scaled (i.e., plug in another server and > have it's available storage added in minutes). Suggestions outside of > those three are welcome. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090402/fcbcadd5/attachment.htm From gabe at msi.umn.edu Thu Apr 2 13:18:42 2009 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 13:18:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] gfs/zfs/lustre In-Reply-To: <49D4E953.2090800@umn.edu> References: <862206.85552.qm@web57601.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <49D4E953.2090800@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20090402181842.GA7699@blackice.msi.umn.edu> > Ted Maul wrote: > > Does anyone have experience with gfs, zfs, or lustre? I'd like to > add/remove nodes at will and I'm wondering which fs would work best. I'm > not looking for blistering performance, just something that's fairly > reliable and easily scaled (i.e., plug in another server and have it's > available storage added in minutes). Suggestions outside of those three > are welcome. > On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 11:35:31AM -0500, Elvedin Trnjanin wrote: > I'm taking a look at GlusterFS (not the same as lustre) which does seem to > have great performance and is reliable, although I haven't tested that due > to lack of hardware. GlusterFS is not currently capable of online expansion. Because most of its intelligence is on the client side, the clients' glusterfs.vols need to be updated, and then the filesystem remounted (so all workload using the filesystem must be stopped). It is, however, a nicely-designed distributed filesystem, in my opinion. The folks at Z RESEARCH are also extremely responsive. Ted: Regarding the other filesystems mentioned, GFS cannot be grown online (as far as I know); ZFS is not cluster-aware and is limited to a single server; and Lustre _may be capable of online expansion, but the process is not pretty (see http://manual.lustre.org/manual/LustreManual16_HTML/LustreOperatingTips.html#50548871_22527). Lustre is also really best used for very large reads and writes, as small I/O can overwelm its metadata servers. If you want elegant online expansion, check out Isilon. It comes at a price premium, however. HTH, Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe at msi.umn.edu HPC Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute http://www.msi.umn.edu From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 15:30:04 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:30:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] postscript question Message-ID: Postscript is way cool but there is an awful lot to know, or so it looks to me. I have a simple question and there might be some tool that will do what I need. It's a fairly simple problem: One program produces 1.5 pages worth of text. A second program produces a figure and some text that fills the lower half of a single page. The output of both programs can be in postscript format. I want one postscript file that produces two pages in the end -- the second page should include stuff from both programs: text on top (from second page of output from first program) and figure/text on the bottom (from second program). Given the way postscript lays things out on a page using coordinates, this seems like it should be a trivial problem but I don't happen to know the trick. Any ideas? Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 15:30:47 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:30:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] second postscript problem Message-ID: This must be pretty easy for a postscript whiz, but we might not have such a person here. All I want to do is add a little horizontal dotted line on the left side of the page at a certain position. Is there a way to simply insert a line or two of postscript code into a postscript file to add such a thing? FYI -- the purpose of the little line is to tell someone where to fold the paper so that it will fit correctly into an envelope, displaying an address in an envelope window. Mike From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 16:38:47 2009 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 16:38:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DIY Router/Firewall/MediaServer In-Reply-To: <20090402160033.GT7679@iris.iucha.org> References: <20090402141749.GR7679@iris.iucha.org> <38aa5b6a0904020802i6aae59c9m6c1c13c2cddedf9f@mail.gmail.com> <20090402160033.GT7679@iris.iucha.org> Message-ID: <82f04dc40904021438l631d8e0h177b7b471a16f776@mail.gmail.com> > 1. You don't want it to be serving media. > > 2. If you really want USB see #1. > Meh. I think most of these guys are used to securing datacenters, where having dedicated machines for each purpose is standard security practice. If your just setting up your home network, and the media you are serving it the typical stuff like mp3s, etc, I wouldn't have any concern at all about serving media from the same box that you are using as your firewall. It's certainly not worth the electric bill to run to PCs 24x7 when one will do just fine. If they can compromise your firewall, I can't see how it matters if the media is being served by the firewall, or by a machine behind the firewall - they could reach the media either way. However, many of these dedicated boxes do look fun, and they don't use as much power as a second full system. Personally, I use a Linksys WRT54GL - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124190 - and I run tomato - http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato - on it. It's awesome. Tomato also supports many other wireless routers - some of which have USB connections that you can attach storage to - and serve the media directly from the wireless router. From markdeb.browne at comcast.net Thu Apr 2 16:41:45 2009 From: markdeb.browne at comcast.net (markdeb.browne at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 21:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [tclug-list] second postscript problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <340710186.2533681238708505322.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Mike, If you are trying to beef up your postscript chops you might finds some useful tips here: http://www.tinaja.com/post01.asp This is the stomping grounds for Don Lancaster. Fair warning - it is easy to blow DAYS poking around this site - he has a bunches of interesting stuff. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Miller" To: "TCLUG List" Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 3:30:47 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [tclug-list] second postscript problem This must be pretty easy for a postscript whiz, but we might not have such a person here. All I want to do is add a little horizontal dotted line on the left side of the page at a certain position. Is there a way to simply insert a line or two of postscript code into a postscript file to add such a thing? FYI -- the purpose of the little line is to tell someone where to fold the paper so that it will fit correctly into an envelope, displaying an address in an envelope window. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090402/14da295a/attachment.htm From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 20:08:51 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 20:08:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] second postscript problem In-Reply-To: <340710186.2533681238708505322.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <340710186.2533681238708505322.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Apr 2009, markdeb.browne at comcast.net wrote: > If you are trying to beef up your postscript chops you might finds some > useful tips here: > http://www.tinaja.com/post01.asp > > This is the stomping grounds for Don Lancaster. > > Fair warning - it is easy to blow DAYS poking around this site - he has > a bunches of interesting stuff. It looked like fun, and I found a few good-old wiz-bang items from the '80s, but it didn't see the sort of basic info I needed. But then I found this: http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/dataformats/postscript/ Then I figured out that I can insert this somewhere near the top of the file.... newpath 2 312 moveto 12 312 lineto 600 312 moveto 610 312 lineto 0.25 setlinewidth stroke ....and I get the little "fold here" lines I was looking for. The full postscript file looks like this: ----------begin foo.ps on next line------------------ %! %% Example 1 newpath 2 312 moveto 12 312 lineto 600 312 moveto 610 312 lineto 0.25 setlinewidth stroke showpage ----------end foo.ps on previous line---------------- This works assuming US Letter, Portrait (216 x 279 mm). The x-y coordinates place (0, 0) on the lower left and then work in the usual way with 1/72 inches per unit (so y=312 means 4.333 inches up from the bottom of the page -- these envelopes are 4.5" wide, which is a little wider than ordinary business size). Mike From gnomes60 at charter.net Fri Apr 3 21:16:12 2009 From: gnomes60 at charter.net (Alton Jones) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:16:12 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] LinuxUsers & Developers Magazine Message-ID: <49D6C2EC.5080308@charter.net> Does anybody know where I might find copies of LinuxUsers & Developers Magazine, here in Minnesota? I can no longer find it in Barnes and Nobles or Borders. gnomes60 at charter.net From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Apr 4 15:01:12 2009 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:01:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian aptitude question Message-ID: <49D7BC88.6090505@mtu.net> I'm getting ready to upgrade a debian system and in the upgrade instructions it notes that I should unhold any packages with holds. I did the aptitude search for holds and came up with this: # aptitude search "~ahold" ihA linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 - Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PII I executed "aptitude unhold linux-image-2.6.18-5-686" and the package still shows up in the list. Any ideas on how to resolve this? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From trieff at greencaremankato.com Sat Apr 4 16:15:46 2009 From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 15:15:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server Message-ID: TCLUG, What would be available to use as a FTP server that would be user & password protected. We sometimes have files that are to large to email and need to post them on the web for a select individual. Any thoughts??? Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090404/a47bcf46/attachment.htm From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 16:12:28 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 16:12:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Thomas Rieff wrote: > What would be available to use as a FTP server that would be user & > password protected. We sometimes have files that are to large to email > and need to post them on the web for a select individual. Any > thoughts??? It depends on the amount of security you are after. The lowest level is to use ordinary http with .htaccess files to force users to enter passwords. I do that a lot. It isn't "secure" in the usual sense but it keeps most people out, it is easy and it might be all you need. If you want better security, you need to use https and good passwords. FTP is inherently insecure because passwords are transmitted as plain text that can be read by anyone snooping on the network (the same is true for http which is why https is more secure -- encrypted for security). Mike From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Apr 4 16:32:53 2009 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:32:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian aptitude question In-Reply-To: <49D7BC88.6090505@mtu.net> References: <49D7BC88.6090505@mtu.net> Message-ID: <49D7D205.2000702@mtu.net> Figured it out. Working from the GUI I was able to unhold it. Jon Schewe wrote: > I'm getting ready to upgrade a debian system and in the upgrade > instructions it notes that I should unhold any packages with holds. I > did the aptitude search for holds and came up with this: > # aptitude search "~ahold" > ihA linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 - Linux 2.6.18 image on > PPro/Celeron/PII/PII > > I executed "aptitude unhold linux-image-2.6.18-5-686" and the package > still shows up in the list. Any ideas on how to resolve this? > > -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From 42octopus at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 19:40:57 2009 From: 42octopus at gmail.com (Ron Johnson) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 19:40:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] python Message-ID: <80370dd20904041740j363c550fk3e2bb88823d9cdd7@mail.gmail.com> Is there anyone out there that knows of some good begining python projects or how to's online. 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URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090404/8b12d661/attachment.htm From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Sat Apr 4 22:09:29 2009 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (kelly) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 22:09:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] python References: <80370dd20904041740j363c550fk3e2bb88823d9cdd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0000015395@mail.penguinpackets.com> If you already grock code, give the tutorial a spin: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/ Kelly KB0GBJ >Sat Apr 04 2009 07:40:57 PM CDT from Ron Johnson<42octopus at gmail.com> to >tclug-list >Subject: [tclug-list] python > >Is there anyone out there that knows of some good begining python projects >or how to's online. I am currently learning python 2.5. >and have a pocket guide. have a great weekend ! > >-- >"There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand > statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species to make >grand claims." > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090404/6b68921e/attachment.htm From troythetechguy at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 22:49:04 2009 From: troythetechguy at gmail.com (troythetechguy at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 03:49:04 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] python In-Reply-To: <80370dd20904041740j363c550fk3e2bb88823d9cdd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0022152d5f99c221e80466c6a925@google.com> For a solid introduction to Python you may want to check out http://greenteapress.com/thinkpython/ Troy On Apr 4, 2009 7:40pm, Ron Johnson <42octopus at gmail.com> wrote: > Is there anyone out there that knows of some good begining python > projects or how to's online. I am currently learning python 2.5. > and have a pocket guide. have a great weekend ! > -- > "There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand > statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species to make > grand claims." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090405/0fdd0bf2/attachment.htm From jeruvin at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 22:52:16 2009 From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 22:52:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] python In-Reply-To: <0000015395@mail.penguinpackets.com> References: <80370dd20904041740j363c550fk3e2bb88823d9cdd7@mail.gmail.com> <0000015395@mail.penguinpackets.com> Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0904042052p77f1272fwcee83d7bc94b9282@mail.gmail.com> Oh Python. What about tutorials or best way to code something in Python that can utilize a GUI? I always get stuck when trying to do a GUI with python. I don't mean to steal the thread, just caught my attention. jason On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:09 PM, kelly wrote: > If you already grock code, give the tutorial a spin: > > http://docspython.org/tutorial/ > > Kelly > > KB0GBJ > > Sat Apr 04 2009 07:40:57 PM CDT from Ron Johnson<42octopus at gmail.com> to > tclug-list > Subject: [tclug-list] python > > > Is there anyone out there that knows of some good begining python projects > or how to's online. I am currently learning python 2.5. > and have a pocket guide. have a great weekend ! > > -- > "There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand > statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species to make > grand claims." > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090404/1dddc57f/attachment-0001.htm From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 03:53:40 2009 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 03:53:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <254fef0f0904050153n669ba0b0jaac9c3e408a2f1fe@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Thomas Rieff wrote: > >> What would be available to use as a FTP server that would be user & >> password protected. We sometimes have files that are to large to email >> and need to post them on the web for a select individual. Any >> thoughts??? > > It depends on the amount of security you are after. ?The lowest level is > to use ordinary http with .htaccess files to force users to enter > passwords. ?I do that a lot. ?It isn't "secure" in the usual sense but it > keeps most people out, it is easy and it might be all you need. ?If you > want better security, you need to use https and good passwords. ?FTP is > inherently insecure because passwords are transmitted as plain text that > can be read by anyone snooping on the network (the same is true for http > which is why https is more secure -- encrypted for security). > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > I believe the 'vsftpd' package allows configuration to require connections over ssh, which solves the problem Mike mentioned. I know it's the recommended server for Ubuntu, and I think Debian and others as well. -- Tony Yarusso http://tonyyarusso.com/ From kc0iog at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 07:49:11 2009 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 07:49:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server In-Reply-To: <254fef0f0904050153n669ba0b0jaac9c3e408a2f1fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <254fef0f0904050153n669ba0b0jaac9c3e408a2f1fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c6699da0904050549h63b16a94ka2c63a26410bd7ca@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:53 AM, Tony Yarusso wrote: > > I believe the 'vsftpd' package allows configuration to require > connections over ssh, which solves the problem Mike mentioned. ?I know > it's the recommended server for Ubuntu, and I think Debian and others > as well. I've ban a fan of PureFTPd, I've also heard good things about ProFTPd. Of course you can alsways just use scp, and don't even bother with the idiosyncrasies of FTP. As you may or may not be aware, FTP can sometimes be a pain to pass through a firewall. Brian From jack at jacku.com Sun Apr 5 11:51:15 2009 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:51:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] python In-Reply-To: <80370dd20904041740j363c550fk3e2bb88823d9cdd7@mail.gmail.com> References: <80370dd20904041740j363c550fk3e2bb88823d9cdd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D8E183.5010705@jacku.com> The February PenguinsUnbound meeting was a brief introduction to Python. http://www.penguinsunbound.org/Future_Meetings/20090228_-_Python_Programming That's the meeting page on Brian's Wiki. There are some files from the talk attached and some links to tutorials as well. Jack Ron Johnson wrote: > Is there anyone out there that knows of some good begining python > projects or how to's online. I am currently learning python 2.5. > and have a pocket guide. have a great weekend ! > > -- > "There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand > statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species to make > grand claims." > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From trieff at greencaremankato.com Sun Apr 5 15:31:18 2009 From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 15:31:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server Message-ID: Mike, Thanks for the response. I was looking for something that would be a step up yet as far as security. Also, Something that is more user friendly to others after it is setup. Are there gui?s available??? I am also thinking multiple users and folders??? Maybe asking to much Hi Hi. Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 16:12:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Miller Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FTP Server To: TCLUG Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Thomas Rieff wrote: > What would be available to use as a FTP server that would be user & > password protected. We sometimes have files that are to large to email > and need to post them on the web for a select individual. Any > thoughts??? It depends on the amount of security you are after. The lowest level is to use ordinary http with .htaccess files to force users to enter passwords. I do that a lot. It isn't "secure" in the usual sense but it keeps most people out, it is easy and it might be all you need. If you want better security, you need to use https and good passwords. FTP is inherently insecure because passwords are transmitted as plain text that can be read by anyone snooping on the network (the same is true for http which is why https is more secure -- encrypted for security). Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090405/3dd0b795/attachment.htm From ecrist at secure-computing.net Sun Apr 5 14:41:45 2009 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (ecrist at secure-computing.net) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:41:45 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1938495744-1238960495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-471123939-@bxe1179.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Winscp and others are a good option for GUIs when it comes to SCP/SFTP. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "Thomas Rieff" Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 15:31:18 To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FTP Server _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jus at krytosvirus.com Sun Apr 5 17:26:56 2009 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (jus at krytosvirus.com) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 22:26:56 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server Message-ID: <1567260494-1238970435-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1056050640-@bxe1124.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Konqueror has (or did the last time I used it) built in ssh client support. There are also SFTP mounting tools in windows and *nix as well so you can mount a drive/folder to an SFTP account. ------Original Message------ From: ecrist at secure-computing.net Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org To: Thomas Rieff To: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org To: TCLUG ReplyTo: ecrist at secure-computing.net Sent: Apr 5, 2009 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FTP Server Winscp and others are a good option for GUIs when it comes to SCP/SFTP. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "Thomas Rieff" Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 15:31:18 To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FTP Server _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 19:17:50 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:17:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server In-Reply-To: <1938495744-1238960495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-471123939-@bxe1179.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1938495744-1238960495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-471123939-@bxe1179.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, ecrist at secure-computing.net wrote: > Winscp and others are a good option for GUIs when it comes to SCP/SFTP. > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile I assume that would mean creating a separate shell account for every user. Is that what you want? Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 19:20:12 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:20:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, Thomas Rieff wrote: > Thanks for the response. I was looking for something that would > be a step up yet as far as security. Also, > Something that is more user friendly to others after it is > setup. Are there gui?s available??? > I am also thinking multiple users and folders??? > Maybe asking to much Hi Hi. I don't know what "Hi Hi" means, and I'm also not sure which solution you are asking about now. I think the https approach would work. It isn't all that easy to set up, but once you have it you can do a lot with it. I'd use Apache with mod ssl. You might want to buy a certificate. I'm sure there are web pages galore. Mike From thecubic at thecubic.net Sun Apr 5 19:23:12 2009 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 19:23:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] python In-Reply-To: <6eb23c4e0904042052p77f1272fwcee83d7bc94b9282@mail.gmail.com> References: <80370dd20904041740j363c550fk3e2bb88823d9cdd7@mail.gmail.com> <0000015395@mail.penguinpackets.com> <6eb23c4e0904042052p77f1272fwcee83d7bc94b9282@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D94B70.5000605@thecubic.net> TkInter is the 'should be everywhere' by default, but is pretty old/simple. It's a pretty good intro / quick prototype toolkit. http://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter PyGtk - comprehensive and easy to install everywhere, but is a bit heavier to learn in my opinion. http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyGtk http://www.pygtk.org/tutorial.html -Dave jason reynolds wrote: > Oh Python. What about tutorials or best way to code something in > Python that can utilize a GUI? I always get stuck when trying to do a > GUI with python. > > I don't mean to steal the thread, just caught my attention. > > jason > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:09 PM, kelly > wrote: > > If you already grock code, give the tutorial a spin: > > http://docspython.org/tutorial/ > > Kelly > > KB0GBJ > > Sat Apr 04 2009 07:40:57 PM CDT from Ron > Johnson<42octopus at gmail.com > to > tclug-list > Subject: [tclug-list] python > > > Is there anyone out there that knows of some good begining > python projects or how to's online. I am currently learning > python 2.5. > and have a pocket guide. have a great weekend ! > > -- > "There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand > statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species > to make > grand claims." > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- > jason > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ecrist at secure-computing.net Sun Apr 5 19:40:41 2009 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (ecrist at secure-computing.net) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 00:40:41 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server In-Reply-To: References: <1938495744-1238960495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-471123939-@bxe1179.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <1599200907-1238978433-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-225260443-@bxe1179.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> SFTP doesn't require a real shell. With mysql or LDAP back ends, you don't need to put the user entries in the password file. I'd recommend using your standard password file and set the shell to /nonexistent or scponly (there's a package for that one). Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Mike Miller Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:17:50 To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FTP Server On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, ecrist at secure-computing.net wrote: > Winscp and others are a good option for GUIs when it comes to SCP/SFTP. > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile I assume that would mean creating a separate shell account for every user. Is that what you want? Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Apr 5 20:56:03 2009 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 20:56:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server In-Reply-To: <1938495744-1238960495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-471123939-@bxe1179.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1938495744-1238960495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-471123939-@bxe1179.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <49D96133.3060000@mtu.net> I'd also recommend FIleZIlla for a good GUI. ecrist at secure-computing.net wrote: > Winscp and others are a good option for GUIs when it comes to SCP/SFTP. > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Thomas Rieff" > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 15:31:18 > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FTP Server > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 23:51:38 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 23:51:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server In-Reply-To: <1599200907-1238978433-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-225260443-@bxe1179.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1938495744-1238960495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-471123939-@bxe1179.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1599200907-1238978433-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-225260443-@bxe1179.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, ecrist at secure-computing.net wrote: > SFTP doesn't require a real shell. With mysql or LDAP back ends, you > don't need to put the user entries in the password file. I'd recommend > using your standard password file and set the shell to /nonexistent or > scponly (there's a package for that one). What does it mean to use "mysql or LDAP back ends" for sftp? When a connection comes to port 22, then what happens? I'm asking because I don't know. I would assume there is a username/password kind of exchange and a connection is made. Is the sftp/mysql scheme better than using secure http so that users can connect using a web browser? Mike From florin at iucha.net Mon Apr 6 08:25:50 2009 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:25:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server In-Reply-To: References: <1599200907-1238978433-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-225260443-@bxe1179.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <20090406132550.GD3212@iris.iucha.org> On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 11:51:38PM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, ecrist at secure-computing.net wrote: > > > SFTP doesn't require a real shell. With mysql or LDAP back ends, you > > don't need to put the user entries in the password file. I'd recommend > > using your standard password file and set the shell to /nonexistent or > > scponly (there's a package for that one). > > What does it mean to use "mysql or LDAP back ends" for sftp? When a > connection comes to port 22, then what happens? I'm asking because I > don't know. I would assume there is a username/password kind of exchange > and a connection is made. 'back end' in this context means the process which authenticates the user. By default the users are authenticated against PAM which by default is configured to use /etc/passwd + /etc/shadow. You can either configure PAM to use MySQL or LDAP to store the passwords, or you can configure the FTP daemon itself to use MySQL or LDAP for passwords. > Is the sftp/mysql scheme better than using secure http so that users can > connect using a web browser? From the usability perspective? It depends if you can afford a real certificate or not. If you use a self-signed certificate with Firefox you might scare the less sophisticated users away. But overall I say the web application will be more user friendly and easier to deploy. The end-users don't need to install and update any client application. Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dan On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > TCLUG, > > What would be available to use as a FTP server that would be user & password > protected. We sometimes have files that are to large to email and need to > post them on the web for a select individual. > > Any thoughts??? > > Tom > From srcfoo at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 12:39:11 2009 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:39:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] python In-Reply-To: <80370dd20904041740j363c550fk3e2bb88823d9cdd7@mail.gmail.com> References: <80370dd20904041740j363c550fk3e2bb88823d9cdd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <579c6fd30904061039s4aca27e4ye7913746006315df@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Ron Johnson <42octopus at gmail.com> wrote: > Is there anyone out there that knows of some good begining python projects > or how to's online. I am currently learning python 2.5. > and have a pocket guide. have a great weekend ! http://diveintopython.org This is a great book (free online version) that has some good working examples that really help you learn Python. From haircut at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 14:19:03 2009 From: haircut at gmail.com (Adam Monsen) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:19:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network Message-ID: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> I have a room in my apartment (let's call it the "office") that is about 100' away from my cable modem. I have an 802.11g wireless router connected to the cable modem. The office has three desktop computers wired to each other via a switch (for sharing a printer), but they can't get to the internet. I could get a very large length of CAT 5 or 6 cable, but that seems like a long way to stretch ethernet cabling, and a potentially ugly addition to my apartment (I can't drill and snake it through the walls). So, I'm thinking wireless. I *could* just get one wireless adapter for each computer, but I'm wondering if anyone knows of a networking device that would basically talk 802.11g to the existing wireless router and share internet with the three computers in the office (via the existing office switch). I think this would basically be a wireless-to-wired bridge. Maybe something like this D-Link DGL-3420: http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=383 Hard to be sure if it would work for my purposes. I know I can get a wrt54g or a dedicated computer to act as a bridge, but I was looking for a more plug-and-play adapter with WPA support and a little Web UI for configuring stuff like the wireless password. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have an 802.11g wireless router > connected to the cable modem. > > The office has three desktop computers wired to each other via a switch > (for sharing a printer), but they can't get to the internet. I could get > a very large length of CAT 5 or 6 cable, but that seems like a long way > to stretch ethernet cabling, and a potentially ugly addition to my > apartment (I can't drill and snake it through the walls). > > So, I'm thinking wireless. I *could* just get one wireless adapter for > each computer, but I'm wondering if anyone knows of a networking device > that would basically talk 802.11g to the existing wireless router and > share internet with the three computers in the office (via the existing > office switch). I think this would basically be a wireless-to-wired > bridge. > > Maybe something like this D-Link DGL-3420: > http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=383 > Hard to be sure if it would work for my purposes. > > I know I can get a wrt54g or a dedicated computer to act as a bridge, > but I was looking for a more plug-and-play adapter with WPA support and > a little Web UI for configuring stuff like the wireless password. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090406/ee2eb356/attachment.htm From andyschmid at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 14:35:40 2009 From: andyschmid at gmail.com (Andy Schmid) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 14:35:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network In-Reply-To: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> References: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <7b7c42a30904061235y3532a184n5b88a4ffb4844288@mail.gmail.com> I believe you have 100 meters (~328 feet) to work with when it comes to ethernet cable, anything beyond that length and you'll need some sort of a repeater. That should be plenty to figure out some way to run a cable. I once lived in a house where we fished from each room ethernet cabling through the air vents, and centralized the router in the basement by the furnace. Be creative :) I've done the whole wireless bridging before, and let me tell you its more trouble than its worth. The connection reliability is sub-par and no where near the speed of gigE. I recommend a wired connection. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Adam Monsen wrote: > I have a room in my apartment (let's call it the "office") that is about > 100' away from my cable modem. I have an 802.11g wireless router > connected to the cable modem. > > The office has three desktop computers wired to each other via a switch > (for sharing a printer), but they can't get to the internet. I could get > a very large length of CAT 5 or 6 cable, but that seems like a long way > to stretch ethernet cabling, and a potentially ugly addition to my > apartment (I can't drill and snake it through the walls). > > So, I'm thinking wireless. I *could* just get one wireless adapter for > each computer, but I'm wondering if anyone knows of a networking device > that would basically talk 802.11g to the existing wireless router and > share internet with the three computers in the office (via the existing > office switch). I think this would basically be a wireless-to-wired > bridge. > > Maybe something like this D-Link DGL-3420: > http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=383 > Hard to be sure if it would work for my purposes. > > I know I can get a wrt54g or a dedicated computer to act as a bridge, > but I was looking for a more plug-and-play adapter with WPA support and > a little Web UI for configuring stuff like the wireless password. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It does sound like you should be fine with three USB wireless adaptors at about $30 each, if you really don't want patch cables. :) Chad From jus at krytosvirus.com Mon Apr 6 14:51:15 2009 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 14:51:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network In-Reply-To: <7b7c42a30904061235y3532a184n5b88a4ffb4844288@mail.gmail.com> References: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> <7b7c42a30904061235y3532a184n5b88a4ffb4844288@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ruckus Metroflex units support bridging, routing and routing+nat. They are relatively cheap and have a typical web interface as well as a telnet/ssh cli Examples: http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=ruckus+wireless &_sacat=0&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_odkw=ruckus&_osacat=0 These are the typical routers used in the City of Minneapolis wifi network. _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Andy Schmid Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:36 PM To: Adam Monsen Cc: Twin Cities Linux Users Subject: Re: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network I believe you have 100 meters (~328 feet) to work with when it comes to ethernet cable, anything beyond that length and you'll need some sort of a repeater. That should be plenty to figure out some way to run a cable. I once lived in a house where we fished from each room ethernet cabling through the air vents, and centralized the router in the basement by the furnace. Be creative :) I've done the whole wireless bridging before, and let me tell you its more trouble than its worth. The connection reliability is sub-par and no where near the speed of gigE. I recommend a wired connection. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Adam Monsen wrote: I have a room in my apartment (let's call it the "office") that is about 100' away from my cable modem. I have an 802.11g wireless router connected to the cable modem. The office has three desktop computers wired to each other via a switch (for sharing a printer), but they can't get to the internet. I could get a very large length of CAT 5 or 6 cable, but that seems like a long way to stretch ethernet cabling, and a potentially ugly addition to my apartment (I can't drill and snake it through the walls). So, I'm thinking wireless. I *could* just get one wireless adapter for each computer, but I'm wondering if anyone knows of a networking device that would basically talk 802.11g to the existing wireless router and share internet with the three computers in the office (via the existing office switch). I think this would basically be a wireless-to-wired bridge. Maybe something like this D-Link DGL-3420: http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=383 Hard to be sure if it would work for my purposes. I know I can get a wrt54g or a dedicated computer to act as a bridge, but I was looking for a more plug-and-play adapter with WPA support and a little Web UI for configuring stuff like the wireless password. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090406/7d19fe8d/attachment-0001.htm From j at packetgod.com Mon Apr 6 14:51:04 2009 From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 14:51:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network In-Reply-To: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> References: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <38aa5b6a0904061251j2c298f2fsa7ae307cd5d0b165@mail.gmail.com> I'm doing this today with my main wireless gateway (happens to be a Checkpoint) and a WRT54GS running OpenWRT which bridges the network, it acts as a client on the wireless than its ethernet ports are simply bridged onto the network. So a system upstairs is connected via ethernet to it and gets an IP off of the wireless IP range, pretty slick. --j On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Adam Monsen wrote: > I have a room in my apartment (let's call it the "office") that is about > 100' away from my cable modem. I have an 802.11g wireless router > connected to the cable modem. > > The office has three desktop computers wired to each other via a switch > (for sharing a printer), but they can't get to the internet. I could get > a very large length of CAT 5 or 6 cable, but that seems like a long way > to stretch ethernet cabling, and a potentially ugly addition to my > apartment (I can't drill and snake it through the walls). > > So, I'm thinking wireless. I *could* just get one wireless adapter for > each computer, but I'm wondering if anyone knows of a networking device > that would basically talk 802.11g to the existing wireless router and > share internet with the three computers in the office (via the existing > office switch). I think this would basically be a wireless-to-wired > bridge. > > Maybe something like this D-Link DGL-3420: > http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=383 > Hard to be sure if it would work for my purposes. > > I know I can get a wrt54g or a dedicated computer to act as a bridge, > but I was looking for a more plug-and-play adapter with WPA support and > a little Web UI for configuring stuff like the wireless password. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090406/7d3810b8/attachment.htm From a.kuriger at liquidphlux.com Mon Apr 6 15:03:03 2009 From: a.kuriger at liquidphlux.com (Andrew Kuriger) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 15:03:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If your looking at a ruckus already why did you just pass up the WRT54. These will do client mode bridging using DD-WRT or OpenWRT depending on model of "router/bridge". I know you can pick one of these up new at about 40 bucks and they work perfectly. Heck if you could still use the existing switch. From what I have seen is the Metroflex is about $100 a wrt is < $40 depending on where you look. On 4/6/2009, "Justin Krejci" wrote: >Ruckus Metroflex units support bridging, routing and routing+nat. > >They are relatively cheap and have a typical web interface as well as a >telnet/ssh cli > > > >Examples: > >http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=ruckus+wireless >0.l1313&_odkw=ruckus&_osacat=0> >&_sacat=0&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_odkw=ruckus&_osacat=0 > > > > > >These are the typical routers used in the City of Minneapolis wifi network. > > > > _____ > >From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Andy Schmid >Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:36 PM >To: Adam Monsen >Cc: Twin Cities Linux Users >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network > > > >I believe you have 100 meters (~328 feet) to work with when it comes to >ethernet cable, anything beyond that length and you'll need some sort of a >repeater. That should be plenty to figure out some way to run a cable. I >once lived in a house where we fished from each room ethernet cabling >through the air vents, and centralized the router in the basement by the >furnace. Be creative :) > >I've done the whole wireless bridging before, and let me tell you its more >trouble than its worth. The connection reliability is sub-par and no where >near the speed of gigE. I recommend a wired connection. > > > >On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Adam Monsen wrote: > >I have a room in my apartment (let's call it the "office") that is about >100' away from my cable modem. I have an 802.11g wireless router >connected to the cable modem. > >The office has three desktop computers wired to each other via a switch >(for sharing a printer), but they can't get to the internet. I could get >a very large length of CAT 5 or 6 cable, but that seems like a long way >to stretch ethernet cabling, and a potentially ugly addition to my >apartment (I can't drill and snake it through the walls). > >So, I'm thinking wireless. I *could* just get one wireless adapter for >each computer, but I'm wondering if anyone knows of a networking device >that would basically talk 802.11g to the existing wireless router and >share internet with the three computers in the office (via the existing >office switch). I think this would basically be a wireless-to-wired >bridge. > >Maybe something like this D-Link DGL-3420: >http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=383 >Hard to be sure if it would work for my purposes. > >I know I can get a wrt54g or a dedicated computer to act as a bridge, >but I was looking for a more plug-and-play adapter with WPA support and >a little Web UI for configuring stuff like the wireless password. > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From bob at grunners.com Mon Apr 6 15:14:03 2009 From: bob at grunners.com (Bob De Mars) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 15:14:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network In-Reply-To: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> References: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70253D082@lcldc01.LCL.local> > The office has three desktop computers wired to each other via a switch > (for sharing a printer), but they can't get to the internet. I could get > a very large length of CAT 5 or 6 cable, but that seems like a long way > to stretch ethernet cabling, and a potentially ugly addition to my > apartment (I can't drill and snake it through the walls). > There is absolutely nothing ugly about cat 5 or 6 cabling running throughout your apartment. In fact it really ties the room together, and is an approved Feng shui decorating method. Also, in terms of performance, the cable will win each time. Just my useless 2 cents...... Bob De Mars IT Manager T: 651 925 1510 bob at grunners.com Cell: 612 850 6940 www.grunners.com From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Apr 6 15:30:09 2009 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:30:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network In-Reply-To: <7b7c42a30904061235y3532a184n5b88a4ffb4844288@mail.gmail.com> References: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> <7b7c42a30904061235y3532a184n5b88a4ffb4844288@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18694.1239049809@skuld.wookimus.net> Andy Schmid wrote: > sort of a repeater.? That should be plenty to figure out some way to > run a cable.? I once lived in a house where we fished from each room > ethernet cabling through the air vents, and centralized the router in > the basement by the furnace.? Be creative :) Please tell me you used Plenum coated cat5?! If you plan on running cables through HVAC for any reason (not recommended and probably against code), use Plenum. If you ever do have a fire, Plenum wire will not release poisonous gas into the air and hopefully allow you to escape the building relatively unharmed. Chad From andyzib at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 15:42:41 2009 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 15:42:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network In-Reply-To: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> References: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> Message-ID: I've tried various consumer level wireless bridges and my opinion is they all suck. If you do find a good one let me know. I've had much better luck with devices runing OpenWRT and/or Tomato. I tried DD-WRT as well, but things would just stop working without a daily router reboot. Installed Tomato on the same hardware, issue went poof. I haven't looked back. For sharing broadband, I don't see any reason why a wireless bridge wouldn't work unless you live in an apartment where the spectrum is extremely crowded. Don't stay on Channel 6. You'll hit the bandwidth limitations of your cable modem before you hit the bandwidth limits of 802.11G. Just plug the bridge into your existing switch and you're on the Internet. I've heard (word of mouth) that some devices (Linksys WRT54GL) can't process things quickly enough to fully utilize a fast broadband connection. It's not something I've run into or seen anything solid on though. If you do run into it, the same word of mouth sources report that Apple's AirPort Extreme can deal with it just fine. And an AirPort Express will operate in bridge mode so you can get your gear from the same vendor. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I might be more concerned, say, with the fumes coming out of the couches, or PVC pipe, or 1 million other things that make up a house and release all sorts of noxious things when they burn. I would tend to try to keep wires routed like this in the cold air returns, rather than the heat lines, to minimize the risk of them melting :) From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 16:56:34 2009 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:56:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network In-Reply-To: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> References: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <82f04dc40904061456k4d89f3a8n197923782eb568c7@mail.gmail.com> Nobody asked the obvious question... Why don't you move the cable modem? From jack at jacku.com Mon Apr 6 19:11:30 2009 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:11:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] python In-Reply-To: <49D94B70.5000605@thecubic.net> References: <80370dd20904041740j363c550fk3e2bb88823d9cdd7@mail.gmail.com> <0000015395@mail.penguinpackets.com> <6eb23c4e0904042052p77f1272fwcee83d7bc94b9282@mail.gmail.com> <49D94B70.5000605@thecubic.net> Message-ID: <49DA9A32.3040701@jacku.com> The other general option is wxPython: http://www.wxpython.org/ Dave Carlson wrote: > TkInter is the 'should be everywhere' by default, but is pretty > old/simple. It's a pretty good intro / quick prototype toolkit. > http://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter > > PyGtk - comprehensive and easy to install everywhere, but is a bit > heavier to learn in my opinion. > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyGtk > http://www.pygtk.org/tutorial.html > > -Dave > > jason reynolds wrote: > >> Oh Python. What about tutorials or best way to code something in >> Python that can utilize a GUI? I always get stuck when trying to do a >> GUI with python. >> >> I don't mean to steal the thread, just caught my attention. >> >> jason >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:09 PM, kelly > > wrote: >> >> If you already grock code, give the tutorial a spin: >> >> http://docspython.org/tutorial/ >> >> Kelly >> >> KB0GBJ >> >> Sat Apr 04 2009 07:40:57 PM CDT from Ron >> Johnson<42octopus at gmail.com > to >> tclug-list >> Subject: [tclug-list] python >> >> >> Is there anyone out there that knows of some good begining >> python projects or how to's online. I am currently learning >> python 2.5. >> and have a pocket guide. have a great weekend ! >> >> -- >> "There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand >> statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species >> to make >> grand claims." >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> >> -- >> jason >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From haircut at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 19:43:23 2009 From: haircut at gmail.com (Adam Monsen) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:43:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network In-Reply-To: <82f04dc40904061456k4d89f3a8n197923782eb568c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> <82f04dc40904061456k4d89f3a8n197923782eb568c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239065003.16978.2.camel@localhost> > Why don't you move the cable modem? Can't. Cable hardline only comes into the apartment through one hole. I suppose I could also extend coaxial cable around the apartment. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Kelly >Mon Apr 06 2009 07:11:30 PM CDT from Jack Ungerleider to >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] python > >The other general option is wxPython: http://www.wxpython.org/ > >Dave Carlson wrote: > >>> TkInter is the 'should be everywhere' by default, but is pretty >>> old/simple. It's a pretty good intro / quick prototype toolkit. >>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter >>> >>> PyGtk - comprehensive and easy to install everywhere, but is a bit >>> heavier to learn in my opinion. >>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyGtk >>> http://www.pygtk.org/tutorial.html >>> >>> -Dave >>> >>> jason reynolds wrote: >>> >>>> Oh Python. What about tutorials or best way to code something in >>>> Python that can utilize a GUI? I always get stuck when trying to do a >>>> GUI with python. >>>> >>>> I don't mean to steal the thread, just caught my attention. >>>> >>>> jason >>>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:09 PM, kelly >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> If you already grock code, give the tutorial a spin: >>>> >>>> http://docspython.org/tutorial/ >>>> >>>> Kelly >>>> >>>> KB0GBJ >>>> >>>> Sat Apr 04 2009 07:40:57 PM CDT from Ron >>>> Johnson<42octopus at gmail.com > to >>>> tclug-list >>>> Subject: [tclug-list] python >>>> >>>> >>>> Is there anyone out there that knows of some good begining >>>> python projects or how to's online. I am currently learning >>>> python 2.5. >>>> and have a pocket guide. have a great weekend ! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand >>>> statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species >>>> to make >>>> grand claims." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> jason >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike From kris.browne at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 21:28:39 2009 From: kris.browne at gmail.com (Kris Browne) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:28:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network In-Reply-To: References: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> <82f04dc40904061456k4d89f3a8n197923782eb568c7@mail.gmail.com> <1239065003.16978.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <8255989d0904061928s57a7bcd0k48360b8e8130fd99@mail.gmail.com> The easiest devices I've setup wireless bridging on have been Apple's Airport Expresses... And highly reliable. While it's true that it won't be as fast as Gig-E, your outbound connection will still be the limiting factor for most of your use, so N's speed should be more than adequate. It may not be the cheapest solution, but it's solid. Kris Browne kris.browne at gmail.com 612-353-6969 612-408-4431 Phyllis Diller - "If it weren't for baseball, many kids wouldn't know what a millionaire looked like." On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 21:07, Mike Miller > wrote: > On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Adam Monsen wrote: > > >> Why don't you move the cable modem? > > > > Can't. Cable hardline only comes into the apartment through one hole. > > > > I suppose I could also extend coaxial cable around the apartment. > > The cable company might do it for you for free. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090406/6534f15a/attachment.htm From ecrist at secure-computing.net Mon Apr 6 21:34:39 2009 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:34:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network In-Reply-To: References: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> <82f04dc40904061456k4d89f3a8n197923782eb568c7@mail.gmail.com> <1239065003.16978.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Adam Monsen wrote: > >>> Why don't you move the cable modem? >> >> Can't. Cable hardline only comes into the apartment through one hole. >> >> I suppose I could also extend coaxial cable around the apartment. > > The cable company might do it for you for free. > > Mike In MDUs (Multiple Dwelling Units) he'll be hard-pressed to get them to add anything. There's a lot of red tape, as those types of modifications need to be approved by management, and they require techs with proper training on fishing wiring/etc. On top of that, if you don't split the cable signal properly, you may lose too much to run digital services well. --- Eric Crist From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 22:55:14 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 22:55:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network In-Reply-To: References: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> <82f04dc40904061456k4d89f3a8n197923782eb568c7@mail.gmail.com> <1239065003.16978.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Eric F Crist wrote: > In MDUs (Multiple Dwelling Units) he'll be hard-pressed to get them to > add anything. There's a lot of red tape, as those types of > modifications need to be approved by management, and they require techs > with proper training on fishing wiring/etc. On top of that, if you > don't split the cable signal properly, you may lose too much to run > digital services well. I've had that problem with splitters before -- it's surprising how much you can lose by using a splitter that isn't rated for a sufficiently high frequency. Mike From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Wed Apr 8 08:08:54 2009 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:08:54 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server In-Reply-To: <20090406132550.GD3212@iris.iucha.org> References: <1599200907-1238978433-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-225260443-@bxe1179.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20090406132550.GD3212@iris.iucha.org> Message-ID: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E602BB3C02@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> florin wrote: >But overall I say the web application will be more user friendly and easier to deploy. >The end-users don't need to install and update any client application. Cheers to that! When the questioner gives the end-users a url and password to download the files he's posted, he can also mentioned he's saving $200/yr using a self-singed cert, so they can expect a warning their browser does not recognize the certificate authority. But perhaps the end-users also need to upload files? In that case, I think it's more secure to go with a mature ftpd solution, like vsftpd (dare I even suggest an up-to-date and carefully configured wu-ftpd?). I think there's too much potential for abuse using a form and cgi script to upload content from the web. Also, since the questioner presumably will already be using ftp to upload files, it may make sense to use ftp to manage a shared directory. The answer may boil down to separate upload and download folders with different file permissions. You can edit the ftp server's config file to set the umask. End-users can use the free FileZilla ftp client. From j at packetgod.com Wed Apr 8 08:53:58 2009 From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:53:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server In-Reply-To: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E602BB3C02@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <1599200907-1238978433-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-225260443-@bxe1179.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20090406132550.GD3212@iris.iucha.org> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E602BB3C02@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <38aa5b6a0904080653n436fcc3by1dd0afcb6f045eff@mail.gmail.com> "he can also mentioned he's saving $200/yr using a self-singed cert, " I self-singed a certificate once, it made a nice burnt edge around the border. Very nice effect, didn't realize it cost 200$ to singe a certificate =) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090408/d00de15f/attachment.htm From ecrist at secure-computing.net Wed Apr 8 09:11:46 2009 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:11:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server In-Reply-To: <38aa5b6a0904080653n436fcc3by1dd0afcb6f045eff@mail.gmail.com> References: <1599200907-1238978433-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-225260443-@bxe1179.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20090406132550.GD3212@iris.iucha.org> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E602BB3C02@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> <38aa5b6a0904080653n436fcc3by1dd0afcb6f045eff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <33FDB9F2-1EEB-400F-89DD-ABCDAA254C11@secure-computing.net> On Apr 8, 2009, at 8:53 AM, J Cruit wrote: > "he can also mentioned he's saving $200/yr using a > self-singed cert, " > > I self-singed a certificate once, it made a nice burnt edge around > the border. Very nice effect, didn't realize it cost 200$ to singe > a certificate =) I'm offer certificate singing for 50% off, today only. Paypal payments accepted at my email address. --- Eric Crist From tclug at jfoo.org Wed Apr 8 09:28:50 2009 From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:28:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server In-Reply-To: <33FDB9F2-1EEB-400F-89DD-ABCDAA254C11@secure-computing.net> References: <1599200907-1238978433-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-225260443-@bxe1179.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20090406132550.GD3212@iris.iucha.org> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E602BB3C02@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> <38aa5b6a0904080653n436fcc3by1dd0afcb6f045eff@mail.gmail.com> <33FDB9F2-1EEB-400F-89DD-ABCDAA254C11@secure-computing.net> Message-ID: <49DCB4A2.6050807@jfoo.org> Eric F Crist wrote: > On Apr 8, 2009, at 8:53 AM, J Cruit wrote: >> I self-singed a certificate once, it made a nice burnt edge around >> the border. Very nice effect, didn't realize it cost 200$ to singe >> a certificate =) > > > I'm offer certificate singing for 50% off, today only. Paypal > payments accepted at my email address. So you are singing while singeing? j From ecrist at secure-computing.net Wed Apr 8 10:06:49 2009 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:06:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server In-Reply-To: <49DCB4A2.6050807@jfoo.org> References: <1599200907-1238978433-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-225260443-@bxe1179.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20090406132550.GD3212@iris.iucha.org> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E602BB3C02@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> <38aa5b6a0904080653n436fcc3by1dd0afcb6f045eff@mail.gmail.com> <33FDB9F2-1EEB-400F-89DD-ABCDAA254C11@secure-computing.net> <49DCB4A2.6050807@jfoo.org> Message-ID: <5D595682-8DB7-4BC3-8451-1AB8AEBA3F68@secure-computing.net> On Apr 8, 2009, at 9:28 AM, John Gateley wrote: > Eric F Crist wrote: >> On Apr 8, 2009, at 8:53 AM, J Cruit wrote: >>> I self-singed a certificate once, it made a nice burnt edge around >>> the border. Very nice effect, didn't realize it cost 200$ to singe >>> a certificate =) >> >> >> I'm offer certificate singing for 50% off, today only. Paypal >> payments accepted at my email address. > > So you are singing while singeing? > > j Yes! And all at 50% off! I'll be singing with singeing all the way to the bank. --- Eric Crist From bgilbertson at ieee.org Wed Apr 8 09:13:10 2009 From: bgilbertson at ieee.org (Bob Gilbertson(IEEE)) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:13:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FTP Server Message-ID: <49DCB0F6.40304@ieee.org> Note: Sent this a couple days ago but disappeared someplace, resending. Apologize if stale thread. --- I had a requirement for exactly this function. I used Vincent Danen's howto here: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=229 to use OpenSSh for sftp access. The newer versions of openssh allow chrooting users without the hassle it used to be. Howto sets shell to /bin/false so no shell access. In addition to howto I also delete the .profile, .history, etc. files automatically usually created for user. For GUI access, Filezilla is available for Linux, OSX and legacy systems. WinSCP also works. Regards, Bob On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 15:15:46 -0600 "Thomas Rieff" wrote: TCLUG, What would be available to use as a FTP server that would be user & password protected. We sometimes have files that are to large to email and need to post them on the web for a select individual. Any thoughts??? Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 13:05:31 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:05:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] postscript question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Apr 2009, Mike Miller wrote: > Postscript is way cool but there is an awful lot to know, or so it looks > to me. I have a simple question and there might be some tool that will > do what I need. It's a fairly simple problem: > > One program produces 1.5 pages worth of text. > > A second program produces a figure and some text that fills the lower > half of a single page. > > The output of both programs can be in postscript format. > > I want one postscript file that produces two pages in the end -- the > second page should include stuff from both programs: text on top (from > second page of output from first program) and figure/text on the bottom > (from second program). > > Given the way postscript lays things out on a page using coordinates, > this seems like it should be a trivial problem but I don't happen to > know the trick. Any ideas? This turned out to have a very tidy answer that was very hard to find. It isn't exactly what I wanted but it is close enough -- it uses PDF instead of postscript, which is different than desired, but I was going to convert to PDF in the end so this works just as well for me. Someone suggested ImageMagick's composite command. I was aware of that method, but it is really for images and it has some drawbacks. Someone described the problem here: http://studio.imagemagick.org/pipermail/magick-users/2003-June/009769.html I run this command... $ composite -compose multiply text.ps graph.ps output.ps ...and the result is very messy looking and very large: $ ls -l feedback_xdn2.ps barplot_test.ps output.ps -rw-r--r-- 1 mbmiller staff 8955 2009-04-06 23:24 graph.ps -rw-r--r-- 1 mbmiller staff 41047 2009-04-06 11:05 text.ps -rw-r--r-- 1 mbmiller staff 2954388 2009-04-08 09:57 output.ps The output is about 60 times as big as it has to be and if I were to go for higher quality it would grow much larger and it would be much slower. I can "cat" the two postscript files together and it seems to get close to what I want, but a few lines somewhere have to be edited and I don't know which ones! Anyway, I got lucky and found a working solution that uses PDF. Here it is: convert to pdf: ps2pdf graph.ps graph.pdf ps2pdf text.ps text.pdf "stamp" one file onto the other using pdftk: pdftk graph.pdf stamp text.pdf output text_on_graph.pdf pdftk text.pdf stamp graph.pdf output graph_on_text.pdf The pdftk method is fast, the file looks perfect, it makes small files (1/500 the size of postscript from the imagemagick composite method): $ ls -l graph_on_text.pdf text_on_graph.pdf -rw-r--r-- 1 mbmiller staff 6367 2009-04-08 12:11 graph_on_text.pdf -rw-r--r-- 1 mbmiller staff 6187 2009-04-08 12:12 text_on_graph.pdf It turns out in my case that the order of the two files in the pdtk command doesn't matter. Mike From florin at iucha.net Wed Apr 8 14:32:22 2009 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:32:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] postscript question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090408193222.GE11983@iris.iucha.org> On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 01:05:31PM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > On Thu, 2 Apr 2009, Mike Miller wrote: > > Given the way postscript lays things out on a page using coordinates, > > this seems like it should be a trivial problem but I don't happen to > > know the trick. Any ideas? > > This turned out to have a very tidy answer that was very hard to find. > It isn't exactly what I wanted but it is close enough -- it uses PDF > instead of postscript, which is different than desired, but I was going to > convert to PDF in the end so this works just as well for me. > [snip] > Anyway, I got lucky and found a working solution that uses PDF. Here it > is: > > convert to pdf: > > ps2pdf graph.ps graph.pdf > ps2pdf text.ps text.pdf > > "stamp" one file onto the other using pdftk: > > pdftk graph.pdf stamp text.pdf output text_on_graph.pdf > pdftk text.pdf stamp graph.pdf output graph_on_text.pdf Thanks Mike for following up and posting the tested answer! florin PS: A good resource for these kind of questions is http://stackoverflow.com -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090408/a09b70a3/attachment.pgp From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Apr 9 13:12:59 2009 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:12:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Miller > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:55 PM > To: Twin Cities Linux Users > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network > > > On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Eric F Crist wrote: > > > In MDUs (Multiple Dwelling Units) he'll be hard-pressed to get them to > > add anything. There's a lot of red tape, as those types of > > modifications need to be approved by management, and they require techs > > with proper training on fishing wiring/etc. On top of that, if you > > don't split the cable signal properly, you may lose too much to run > > digital services well. > > > I've had that problem with splitters before -- it's surprising how much > you can lose by using a splitter that isn't rated for a sufficiently high > frequency. > > Mike I've had problems with properly rated splitters that seemed to fade or actually die with age somewhere over 5 years. These were in my garage (seldom/never as low as +25F) so they saw some temperature cycling. New spliiters solved the problem. Cable modem had signal dropouts due to marginal signal until I replaced the old splitters. Fortunately, my townhome has most cable runs brought back to a splitter placed by my power entrance panel in the garage, so there are only two 2-port splitters hidden elsewhere in the house and all except bathrooms have cable access (and adequate cable modem signal level). Chuck From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Apr 9 13:24:11 2009 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:24:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network In-Reply-To: <1239065104.16978.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Adam Monsen > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 7:45 PM > To: Twin Cities Linux Users > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network > > > > You could look into a wireless access bridge, it allows the connection > > of several computers to it. > > Yes! That's it. Now that I know for sure what to look for, it's a lot > easier to find. Thanks, everyone, for your helpful suggestions. > > Newegg.com sells a bunch of cheap wireless access points capable of > doing bridging mode for just over $30. > It's usually easy to find WiFi stuff on Craig's List at bargain prices. Sometimes also at MPC. I got a batch of *very* good (mainstream brand of chips) WiFi PCI cards from MPC for $5 each. FYI, I have procrastinated in installing a plenum cable from by basement/family room/workshop (3+ boxes, two switches, and two printers have wired access) to my 2nd story office that temporarily has 6 laptops and a desktop, plus two printers). I have no problems and reliable connections and good printing for the 7 upstairs computers to connect individually to the WiFi router in my basement. I have automated backups of large files that operate in most directions on this net, and no significant issues with speed... also can do Slingbox video and seldom have a traffic problem limiting TV over WiFi. Chuck From ecrist at secure-computing.net Thu Apr 9 13:39:12 2009 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:39:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > FYI, I have procrastinated in installing a plenum cable from by > basement/family room/workshop (3+ boxes, two switches, and two > printers have wired access) to my 2nd story office that temporarily > has 6 laptops and a desktop, plus two printers). I have no problems > and reliable connections and good printing for the 7 upstairs > computers to connect individually to the WiFi router in my > basement. I have automated backups of large files that operate in > most directions on this net, and no significant issues with speed... > also can do Slingbox video and seldom have a traffic problem > limiting TV over WiFi. FWIW, I've got a fair amount (~10 years) experience running wires, etc, and I work for beer. If anyone's needing something done and really is having some difficulty, I wouldn't mind helping a few people out. :D --- Eric Crist From haircut at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 17:42:13 2009 From: haircut at gmail.com (Adam Monsen) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:42:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wirelessly bridging a small wired network In-Reply-To: <1239065104.16978.4.camel@localhost> References: <1239045543.21402.30.camel@localhost> <81675d140904061232q471040fyfc07305ed40a23b1@mail.gmail.com> <1239065104.16978.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1239316933.21975.71.camel@localhost> > Newegg.com sells a bunch of cheap wireless access points capable of > doing bridging mode for just over $30. I ended up buying the next-to-cheapest bridge ($35) from newegg.com: ENCORE ENRXWI-G IEEE802.11g 54Mbps Wireless LAN Extender ... http://newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833180035 Works great! 10 min to set up, 20 min to figure out I had a default gateway set wrong. While setting it up I noticed that my existing 802.11b/g access point can also act like a access point client and bridge. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here are some possibilities: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/samba-pdc.html (Just samba) http://www.howtoforge.com/openldap-samba-domain-controller-ubuntu7.10 (with OpenLDAP) It also seems possible to do Samba/Kerberos (I lost the reference for now ... I know, lmgtfy) I'm not certain where to go, and our company is looking to hire someone who has either experience in this, or has some Windows Domain Authentication/active directory/LDAP background, which is the greatest gaping hole in our understanding. The timescale is as soon as possible (I'm not sure how long it will be until one of the borked services writes to null again). Please drop me a line. Best, Josh From marc at e-skinner.net Thu Apr 9 23:25:56 2009 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:25:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] AD -> Samba Migration In-Reply-To: <49DE83E0.3060102@radkeland.org> References: <49DE83E0.3060102@radkeland.org> Message-ID: <49DECA54.1090907@e-skinner.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 might want to look at www.freeipa.org as well, or the fedora directory server project. good luck! Joshua Radke wrote: > Our Windows 2000 SBS AD server has been terminally infected with a > variant of the Virut virus. It will die soon, as will single sign-on, > DNS, DHCP, and WINS. > > DNS will be easy to migrate. There are numberous writeups on DHCP/WINS > (I seem to recall), but I'm going into uncharted territory with the user > migration. I'm not even certain exactly what type of implementation I > really need. Here are some possibilities: > > http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/samba-pdc.html > (Just samba) > > http://www.howtoforge.com/openldap-samba-domain-controller-ubuntu7.10 > (with OpenLDAP) > > It also seems possible to do Samba/Kerberos (I lost the reference for > now ... I know, lmgtfy) > > I'm not certain where to go, and our company is looking to hire someone > who has either experience in this, or has some Windows Domain > Authentication/active directory/LDAP background, which is the greatest > gaping hole in our understanding. > > The timescale is as soon as possible (I'm not sure how long it will be > until one of the borked services writes to null again). Please drop me > a line. > > Best, > > Josh > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkneylQACgkQvE9HrEfeE4cfLACfa/GXAltP2UvLoPWH2QpG5oO4 754AnRzzyl5Gr8rgytySbvUpZ4KaABti =ecTD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From admin at lctn.org Fri Apr 10 12:35:43 2009 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:35:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] bttv module for Centos 4.4 Message-ID: <49DF836F.4050109@lctn.org> I am hunting around for a link for a brooktree bttv module for Centos4.4 , with kernel "2.6.9-42.EL. Anyone know where I can find it, or maybe its not supported?? From tclug at jfoo.org Sun Apr 12 21:26:50 2009 From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:26:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] C++ IDEs Message-ID: <49E2A2EA.4020606@jfoo.org> Hi Y'all, I'm used to programming C++ in linux/unix with g++ and occasional gdb, using emacs. I've been spoiled by Visual Studio: the graphic debugger, variable/keyword completion, refactoring, etc. What's the best IDE for linux? It looks like, based on a feature comparison, that it is Anjuta or Sun Studio. Code::Blocks, Eclipse, Gnat, KDevelop and NetBeans also look interesting. Anyone using these in their daily work? Any comments? Thanks, j From kris.browne at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 21:55:54 2009 From: kris.browne at gmail.com (Kris Browne) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:55:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: C++ IDEs In-Reply-To: <49E2A2EA.4020606@jfoo.org> References: <49E2A2EA.4020606@jfoo.org> Message-ID: <8255989d0904121955w140bf010v96fac645c372d543@mail.gmail.com> For Linux, I think your gonna mostly hear emacs, Eclipse, and Kdevelop or Kate. Kris Browne kris.browne at gmail.com 612-353-6969 612-408-4431 Andy Warhol - "I am a deeply superficial person." ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Gateley Date: Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 21:26 Subject: [tclug-list] C++ IDEs To: Twin Cities Linux Users Hi Y'all, I'm used to programming C++ in linux/unix with g++ and occasional gdb, using emacs. I've been spoiled by Visual Studio: the graphic debugger, variable/keyword completion, refactoring, etc. What's the best IDE for linux? It looks like, based on a feature comparison, that it is Anjuta or Sun Studio. Code::Blocks, Eclipse, Gnat, KDevelop and NetBeans also look interesting. Anyone using these in their daily work? Any comments? Thanks, j _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090412/e36a7d1c/attachment.htm From tclug at jfoo.org Sun Apr 12 22:24:33 2009 From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:24:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] C++ IDEs In-Reply-To: <406189300904122018t2ef0e39bxb80ddb8a710345b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <49E2A2EA.4020606@jfoo.org> <406189300904122018t2ef0e39bxb80ddb8a710345b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E2B071.4050005@jfoo.org> Mike Rochford wrote: > I personally use komodo by activestate runs on both linux, windows and > apple. Looks nice, but pretty pricey ($295). I do run windows, linux and apple, but I use Visual Studio on windows. Is it worth the money? That's more than the $70 for VMWare Fusion (to run linux on my macbook). Thanks j From haircut at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 08:15:11 2009 From: haircut at gmail.com (Adam Monsen) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:15:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] C++ IDEs In-Reply-To: <49E2A2EA.4020606@jfoo.org> References: <49E2A2EA.4020606@jfoo.org> Message-ID: <1239628511.8971.28.camel@localhost> Yesterday, John Gateley wrote: > What's the best IDE for linux? I'd recommend the Eclipse CDT. The CDT has its warts like any other software, but it is feature rich and very mature. It can't hurt that it is Open Source Software. Eclipse has been under heavy development for many years. I use Vim for all text editing tasks, but I really like Eclipse for reliable code completion (aka "intellisense") and the ability to quickly navigate and refactor large software projects. It's worth riding the learning curve when you end up with such an easy way to read and maintain code. > Anyone using these in their daily work? Any comments? I don't use the Eclipse CDT for my daily work, only for a few projects for school. It worked quite well last time I tried it, although I eventually gave up on the "managed" build and used hand-written makefiles instead. Fortunately, the CDT is quite flexible when it comes to building, so using your own makefiles is easy. I *do* use Eclipse for daily Java development. Navigation, code completion, refactoring, SCM integration, debugging, etc. work similarly to the CDT. I'm not really sure what if anything is offtopic for the TCLUG list, but shall we migrate this topic to the devel list? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090413/2afe5f1f/attachment.pgp From bob at grunners.com Mon Apr 13 08:49:46 2009 From: bob at grunners.com (Bob De Mars) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:49:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] AD -> Samba Migration In-Reply-To: <49DE83E0.3060102@radkeland.org> References: <49DE83E0.3060102@radkeland.org> Message-ID: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B7025662B3@lcldc01.LCL.local> Not sure about your setup, but it has been my experience that monkeying around in uncharted territory for mission critical systems is not the best policy. Again, without knowing your setup it's hard for me to say. Is the ill 2K sbs the only server M$ server available, or are there others in the fleet. If there are others, I would say DCpromo one of the others, and move the services over. Once you are stable again, then it's safer & less pressure trying to get an open source samba pdc/ openldap going. Another option is backup your AD, and whatever else is important, nuke the 2K OS, reinstall 2Ksbs (or 2k+3 if available), and restore your services. This again is safe. One last thing, if you are running Exchange over there, then forget about it. This is a tough task, and not really recommended. If no exchange, then no problem. You are probably thinking thanks for nothing, as I already know this. Well, I just wanted to mention it is all. Since you already have the M$ licenses, then what the heck, just redo it. For the open source setup, not sure how much you are using you AD. If you mainly just need it for logins, then all you need is samba setup to be a PDC. There are many how to's on how to do this laying around the net. If you need more of the other functionality from the AD, then you must also implement something like openldap to carry that load. I still run a 2k+3 sbs AD at HQ (not happy about that), but I was able to setup a couple Slackware boxes for two remote offices to act as seconday PDC's and setup openldap on each Slack box as well. This was not as easy as I thought, and I think other distros have some easier tools/software to help with this. Good Luck! Bob De Mars IT Manager T: 651 925 1510 bob at grunners.com Cell: 612 850 6940 www.grunners.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Radke Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:25 PM To: Twin Cities Linux Users Subject: [tclug-list] AD -> Samba Migration Our Windows 2000 SBS AD server has been terminally infected with a variant of the Virut virus. It will die soon, as will single sign-on, DNS, DHCP, and WINS. DNS will be easy to migrate. There are numberous writeups on DHCP/WINS (I seem to recall), but I'm going into uncharted territory with the user migration. I'm not even certain exactly what type of implementation I really need. Here are some possibilities: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/samba-pdc.htm l (Just samba) http://www.howtoforge.com/openldap-samba-domain-controller-ubuntu7.10 (with OpenLDAP) It also seems possible to do Samba/Kerberos (I lost the reference for now ... I know, lmgtfy) I'm not certain where to go, and our company is looking to hire someone who has either experience in this, or has some Windows Domain Authentication/active directory/LDAP background, which is the greatest gaping hole in our understanding. The timescale is as soon as possible (I'm not sure how long it will be until one of the borked services writes to null again). Please drop me a line. Best, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Apr 15 10:03:22 2009 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:03:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] single user mode not working as expected Message-ID: <49E5F73A.1090608@lctn.org> I am trying to get to single user mode on an Ubuntu server, adding "single" to the end of the kernel line brings me to a "control d" prompt. How can I get it to boot to a shell instead, so I can set the root password? From tclug1 at greatlakedata.com Wed Apr 15 10:43:06 2009 From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:43:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] single user mode not working as expected In-Reply-To: <49E5F73A.1090608@lctn.org> References: <49E5F73A.1090608@lctn.org> Message-ID: <429c5ec20904150843r386ccb24hb9fe11585cbe256e@mail.gmail.com> add to kernel boot line: init=/bin/bash On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am trying to get to single user mode on an Ubuntu server, adding > "single" to the end of the kernel line brings me to a "control d" > prompt. How can I get it to boot to a shell instead, so I can set the > root password? > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090415/90859fd4/attachment.htm From trnja001 at umn.edu Wed Apr 15 11:26:29 2009 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:26:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] single user mode not working as expected In-Reply-To: <429c5ec20904150843r386ccb24hb9fe11585cbe256e@mail.gmail.com> References: <49E5F73A.1090608@lctn.org> <429c5ec20904150843r386ccb24hb9fe11585cbe256e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E60AB5.7010803@umn.edu> I've tried this on my laptop after forgetting all of my passwords and it did drop me to a root shell. When I tried to do a 'passwd' to change mine, it only allowed me to type in one character before accepting it as an entry. Look out for that issue so you don't overwrite the password to an account you do know the password to. If you have better luck, please report back. greg wm wrote: > add to kernel boot line: init=/bin/bash > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Raymond Norton > wrote: > > I am trying to get to single user mode on an Ubuntu server, adding > "single" to the end of the kernel line brings me to a "control d" > prompt. How can I get it to boot to a shell instead, so I can set the > root password? > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From admin at lctn.org Wed Apr 15 11:32:28 2009 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:32:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] single user mode not working as expected In-Reply-To: <49E60AB5.7010803@umn.edu> References: <49E5F73A.1090608@lctn.org> <429c5ec20904150843r386ccb24hb9fe11585cbe256e@mail.gmail.com> <49E60AB5.7010803@umn.edu> Message-ID: <49E60C1C.1050308@lctn.org> Elvedin Trnjanin wrote: > I've tried this on my laptop after forgetting all of my passwords and > it did drop me to a root shell. When I tried to do a 'passwd' to > change mine, it only allowed me to type in one character before > accepting it as an entry. Look out for that issue so you don't > overwrite the password to an account you do know the password to. > > If you have better luck, please report back. I was adding "single" to the end of the line, but it did not work. It did work for me with just "init=/bin/bash", and remounting the file system rw mount -o remount,rw / From tclug at mikerochford.com Wed Apr 15 11:32:29 2009 From: tclug at mikerochford.com (Mike Rochford) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:32:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] single user mode not working as expected In-Reply-To: <49E60AB5.7010803@umn.edu> References: <49E5F73A.1090608@lctn.org> <429c5ec20904150843r386ccb24hb9fe11585cbe256e@mail.gmail.com> <49E60AB5.7010803@umn.edu> Message-ID: <406189300904150932w2fd6a84ck57b0a1786f318701@mail.gmail.com> when you boot normally and login as root type "init 1" and the system will boot into single user mode. More info about run levels. The following table summarizes the User Linux run levels: * 0 System Halt * 1 Single user * 2 Full multi-user mode (Default) * 3-5 Same as 2 * 6 System Reboot -Mike On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Elvedin Trnjanin wrote: > I've tried this on my laptop after forgetting all of my passwords and it > did drop me to a root shell. When I tried to do a 'passwd' to change > mine, it only allowed me to type in one character before accepting it as > an entry. Look out for that issue so you don't overwrite the password to > an account you do know the password to. > > If you have better luck, please report back. > > greg wm wrote: > > add to kernel boot line: init=/bin/bash > > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Raymond Norton > > wrote: > > > > I am trying to get to single user mode on an Ubuntu server, adding > > "single" to the end of the kernel line brings me to a "control d" > > prompt. 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URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090415/f84c92de/attachment.htm From mike at mikerochford.com Sun Apr 12 22:18:48 2009 From: mike at mikerochford.com (Mike Rochford) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:18:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] C++ IDEs In-Reply-To: <49E2A2EA.4020606@jfoo.org> References: <49E2A2EA.4020606@jfoo.org> Message-ID: <406189300904122018t2ef0e39bxb80ddb8a710345b1@mail.gmail.com> I personally use komodo by activestate runs on both linux, windows and apple. -Mike On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 9:26 PM, John Gateley wrote: > Hi Y'all, > > I'm used to programming C++ in linux/unix with g++ and > occasional gdb, using emacs. > > I've been spoiled by Visual Studio: the graphic debugger, > variable/keyword completion, refactoring, etc. > > What's the best IDE for linux? It looks like, based on > a feature comparison, that it is Anjuta or Sun Studio. > Code::Blocks, Eclipse, Gnat, KDevelop and NetBeans > also look interesting. > > Anyone using these in their daily work? Any comments? > > Thanks, > > j > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090412/3e64316c/attachment-0001.htm From mike at mikerochford.com Mon Apr 13 07:35:22 2009 From: mike at mikerochford.com (Mike Rochford) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:35:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] C++ IDEs In-Reply-To: <49E2B071.4050005@jfoo.org> References: <49E2A2EA.4020606@jfoo.org> <406189300904122018t2ef0e39bxb80ddb8a710345b1@mail.gmail.com> <49E2B071.4050005@jfoo.org> Message-ID: <406189300904130535l20f6d6b2uad6db056662c803a@mail.gmail.com> John, I love the application. I enjoy having software that works for my job needs. When you use a app almost every day whats $300? They have a lot of tools/addons for komodo. *shrug* down load komod-edit and give it a try before you buy the full blown app. http://www.activestate.com/komodo_edit/ -mike On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 10:24 PM, John Gateley wrote: > Mike Rochford wrote: > >> I personally use komodo by activestate runs on both linux, windows and >> apple. >> > > Looks nice, but pretty pricey ($295). I do run windows, linux and apple, > but I use Visual Studio on windows. Is it worth the money? That's more > than the $70 for VMWare Fusion (to run linux on my macbook). > > Thanks > > j > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090413/8abf3cb6/attachment-0001.htm From mike at mikerochford.com Wed Apr 15 10:32:46 2009 From: mike at mikerochford.com (Mike Rochford) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:32:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] single user mode not working as expected In-Reply-To: <49E5F73A.1090608@lctn.org> References: <49E5F73A.1090608@lctn.org> Message-ID: <406189300904150832n75e149f0i67040f54de48d04f@mail.gmail.com> when you boot normally type "init 1" More info about run levels. The following table summarizes the User Linux run levels: * 0 System Halt * 1 Single user * 2 Full multi-user mode (Default) * 3-5 Same as 2 * 6 System Reboot -Mike On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am trying to get to single user mode on an Ubuntu server, adding > "single" to the end of the kernel line brings me to a "control d" > prompt. How can I get it to boot to a shell instead, so I can set the > root password? > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090415/57ce6a61/attachment-0001.htm From trnja001 at umn.edu Wed Apr 15 13:03:17 2009 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:03:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] single user mode not working as expected In-Reply-To: <49E60C1C.1050308@lctn.org> References: <49E5F73A.1090608@lctn.org> <429c5ec20904150843r386ccb24hb9fe11585cbe256e@mail.gmail.com> <49E60AB5.7010803@umn.edu> <49E60C1C.1050308@lctn.org> Message-ID: <49E62165.9050804@umn.edu> This didn't work for me - upon remounting, passwd behaves the same way and even trying to shutdown, I get "shutdown: Unable to send message: Connection refused" I guess more searching is needed to find out how I can change my password. Raymond Norton wrote: > Elvedin Trnjanin wrote: > >> I've tried this on my laptop after forgetting all of my passwords and >> it did drop me to a root shell. When I tried to do a 'passwd' to >> change mine, it only allowed me to type in one character before >> accepting it as an entry. Look out for that issue so you don't >> overwrite the password to an account you do know the password to. >> >> If you have better luck, please report back. >> > > I was adding "single" to the end of the line, but it did not work. > > It did work for me with just "init=/bin/bash", and remounting the file > system rw > > mount -o remount,rw / > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From slushpupie at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 13:23:01 2009 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (Jay Kline) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:23:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] single user mode not working as expected In-Reply-To: <49E62165.9050804@umn.edu> References: <49E5F73A.1090608@lctn.org> <429c5ec20904150843r386ccb24hb9fe11585cbe256e@mail.gmail.com> <49E60AB5.7010803@umn.edu> <49E60C1C.1050308@lctn.org> <49E62165.9050804@umn.edu> Message-ID: <49E62605.10302@gmail.com> What you did was replace init with a shell. That means all the things init normally does, you have to do. That includes mounting filesystems rw to get going, and then ro when done. It also means shutdown wont work. Just unmount all partitions you can, and remount ro / , then kill the power. Its not clean, but it should work. If you didnt remount it ro, your filesystem changes may have only been in memory when you rebooted, thus not saved. Its important to always unmount your filesystems cleanly, or you may suffer corruption or other oddness. Jay Elvedin Trnjanin wrote: > This didn't work for me - upon remounting, passwd behaves the same way > and even trying to shutdown, I get > > "shutdown: Unable to send message: Connection refused" > > I guess more searching is needed to find out how I can change my password. > > Raymond Norton wrote: >> Elvedin Trnjanin wrote: >> >>> I've tried this on my laptop after forgetting all of my passwords and >>> it did drop me to a root shell. When I tried to do a 'passwd' to >>> change mine, it only allowed me to type in one character before >>> accepting it as an entry. Look out for that issue so you don't >>> overwrite the password to an account you do know the password to. >>> >>> If you have better luck, please report back. >>> >> I was adding "single" to the end of the line, but it did not work. >> >> It did work for me with just "init=/bin/bash", and remounting the file >> system rw >> >> mount -o remount,rw / >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Thu Apr 16 00:16:11 2009 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:16:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Install Fest !!! @PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting April 25, 2009 Message-ID: <49E6BF1B.4030007@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday April 25th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 9:00 am to 7:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) This months the Penguins Unbound Meeting will be an _INSTALL_FEST_! and _UBUNTU_Release_Party_! from 9:00am to 7:00pm With the release of Ubuntu 9.04 it is a good time to have a Install Fest/Release Party. Come on down, bring a computer or two (or more) and get some help installing Linux on your computer. And then help someone out installing Linux on their computer. Hope to see you there! If you are going to make it, and be willing to help others please let me know when you are going to be there, how long you will be attending, and what Linux you can help people with. And then I can add it to the wiki page. Or you can add it to the wiki yourself BTW. There will be some monitors/keyboards/mice to use if you would like to leave yours at home. ==>brian. From admin at lctn.org Thu Apr 16 12:47:48 2009 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:47:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] before I buy Message-ID: <49E76F44.7000904@lctn.org> Has anyone successfully run Motorola Phone tools via wine? I am going to be at a location without Internet, and want to use my Motorola Razr V3 on my Ubuntu laptop as a modem. I would gladly spend the money, if it is known to work. From admin at lctn.org Thu Apr 16 12:57:18 2009 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:57:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] before I buy In-Reply-To: <49E76F44.7000904@lctn.org> References: <49E76F44.7000904@lctn.org> Message-ID: <49E7717E.9060402@lctn.org> Raymond Norton wrote: > Has anyone successfully run Motorola Phone tools via wine? I am going to > be at a location without Internet, and want to use my Motorola Razr V3 > on my Ubuntu laptop as a modem. I would gladly spend the money, if it is > known to work. > > I found my answer, "garbage" From tclug at jfoo.org Sun Apr 19 09:18:09 2009 From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:18:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Install Fest !!! @PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting April 25, 2009 In-Reply-To: <49E6BF1B.4030007@Goecke-Dolan.com> References: <49E6BF1B.4030007@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: <49EB32A1.7060103@jfoo.org> Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote: > If you are going to make it, and be willing to help others please let me > know when you are going to be there, how long you will be attending, and > what Linux you can help people with. And then I can add it to the wiki > page. Or you can add it to the wiki yourself Is anyone going with expertise at VMWare? I tried installing the beta on my macbook (vmware fusion) but had no luck with the tools. Also, where's the schedule on the wiki? I only saw the announcement, not a list of attendees. j From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 11:27:56 2009 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:27:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Install Fest !!! @PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting April 25, 2009 In-Reply-To: <49EB32A1.7060103@jfoo.org> References: <49E6BF1B.4030007@Goecke-Dolan.com> <49EB32A1.7060103@jfoo.org> Message-ID: <254fef0f0904190927x454e4f4aq71d84946b69b88e9@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 9:18 AM, John Gateley wrote: > Is anyone going with expertise at VMWare? I tried installing the > beta on my macbook (vmware fusion) but had no luck with the tools. I certainly wouldn't call it expertise, but I did succeed in installing a previous Ubuntu version in VMWare Fusion and might be able to remember what I did, and hope to be present for at least some portion. I think it involved compiling some stuff manually, which it really shouldn't, but may have been what worked at the time. -- Tony Yarusso http://tonyyarusso.com/ From tclug at lizakowski.com Mon Apr 20 08:43:22 2009 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:43:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Install Fest !!! @PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting April 25, 2009 In-Reply-To: <254fef0f0904190927x454e4f4aq71d84946b69b88e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <49E6BF1B.4030007@Goecke-Dolan.com> <49EB32A1.7060103@jfoo.org> <254fef0f0904190927x454e4f4aq71d84946b69b88e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904200843.23253.tclug@lizakowski.com> I was using the Ubuntu Jaunty Alpha's, and they were better and more stable than Intrepid. It's a good upgrade from Intrepid. However, just before the beta, the last alpha I believe, an update rendered the computer non-bootable. I tried booting from the CD, then chroot to the partition. I told dpkg to finish whatever it was doing - no change. I suspect an apt-get upgrade might fix it, but that would require more than a chroot to get network access and all the config files mounted. Is it worthwhile to use the CD, go to init 1, chroot, then go to init 3, and try run apt? Will that get the network running in the chroot jail? Or, would it be faster to backup our home directories (less than 1GB) and resinstall? I'm leaning towards that solution, since this machine needs to be running. Jeremy Yes, I know, it said not to use alphas with a production box... On Sunday 19 April 2009 11:27:56 am Tony Yarusso wrote: > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 9:18 AM, John Gateley wrote: > > Is anyone going with expertise at VMWare? I tried installing the > > beta on my macbook (vmware fusion) but had no luck with the tools. > > I certainly wouldn't call it expertise, but I did succeed in > installing a previous Ubuntu version in VMWare Fusion and might be > able to remember what I did, and hope to be present for at least some > portion. I think it involved compiling some stuff manually, which it > really shouldn't, but may have been what worked at the time. From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 02:17:03 2009 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:17:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Install Fest !!! @PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting April 25, 2009 In-Reply-To: <200904200843.23253.tclug@lizakowski.com> References: <49E6BF1B.4030007@Goecke-Dolan.com> <49EB32A1.7060103@jfoo.org> <254fef0f0904190927x454e4f4aq71d84946b69b88e9@mail.gmail.com> <200904200843.23253.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: <254fef0f0904210017i1bb07efx754d90e86081ce4c@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Jeremy wrote: > > I was using the Ubuntu Jaunty Alpha's, and they were better and more stable > than Intrepid. ?It's a good upgrade from Intrepid. > > However, just before the beta, the last alpha I believe, an update rendered > the computer non-bootable. ?I tried booting from the CD, then chroot to the > partition. ?I told dpkg to finish whatever it was doing - no change. ?I suspect > an apt-get upgrade might fix it, but that would require more than a chroot to > get network access and all the config files mounted. > > Is it worthwhile to use the CD, go to init 1, chroot, then go to init 3, and > try run apt? ?Will that get the network running in the chroot jail? > > Or, would it be faster to backup our home directories (less than 1GB) and > resinstall? ?I'm leaning towards that solution, since this machine needs to be > running. > > Jeremy > Yes, I know, it said not to use alphas with a production box... I'd go with the backup and reinstall route. You'll have less downtime that way, and way less frustration. -- Tony Yarusso http://tonyyarusso.com/ From 42octopus at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 11:07:53 2009 From: 42octopus at gmail.com (Ron Johnson) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:07:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] netbook's Message-ID: <80370dd20904210907h31c4af1fs55eaa86531d9b307@mail.gmail.com> Is there anyone running Ubuntu Net book remix ? I have a new acer aspire one. I am aware of the other Linux flavors for net books. But I am not interested in them. -- "There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species to make grand claims." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090421/5887d9d6/attachment.htm From j at packetgod.com Tue Apr 21 11:33:19 2009 From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:33:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] netbook's In-Reply-To: <80370dd20904210907h31c4af1fs55eaa86531d9b307@mail.gmail.com> References: <80370dd20904210907h31c4af1fs55eaa86531d9b307@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38aa5b6a0904210933p4e6ee89fh63543fb7a0f5722d@mail.gmail.com> Whoo-hoo Ubuntu Net Book rimix in the house! I use it, I love it. It works great, I spent three hours trying to get my wireless working on BT4 on the netbook. I installed the JJNBR and it was all working, sound, wireless, video, battery saving, everything just works. I even like the netbook designed UI, although it is a bit simplistic, but I only use my netbook for simplistic stuff in general so no problems. And when I want complicated I boot into BT4. Anyways, I've got the Asus 1000HE and it works perfectly, YMMV... My only issue with the Asus is that it treats all USB hard drives and the build in SD slot as extra hard drives (as opposed to removable devices) and assigns them differently in the boot order depending on where they are pluged in or some other alorithm I haven't figured out yet. I've resolved this by creating my grub config with a bunch of "Hard drive #3, Hard drive #4 etc. --j On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Ron Johnson <42octopus at gmail.com> wrote: > Is there anyone running Ubuntu Net book remix ? I have a new acer aspire > one. I am aware of the other Linux flavors for net books. But I am > not interested in them. > > -- > "There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand > statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species to make > grand claims." > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090421/d3846b76/attachment.htm From gabe at msi.umn.edu Tue Apr 21 11:49:15 2009 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:49:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] netbook's In-Reply-To: <80370dd20904210907h31c4af1fs55eaa86531d9b307@mail.gmail.com> References: <80370dd20904210907h31c4af1fs55eaa86531d9b307@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090421164915.GC28399@blackice.msi.umn.edu> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:07:53AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Is there anyone running Ubuntu Net book remix ? I have a new acer aspire > one. I am aware of the other Linux flavors for net books. But I am > not interested in them. I've been running the UNR version of 9.04 (beta and now RC) on my Dell Mini9 since I got it a few weeks ago. I'm very happy with UNR 9.04 thus far. I've hit a couple of bugs (one related to a problem suspending while having an SD card mounted, and one with the fragility of the closed Broadcom drivers I need for my wireless chip), but both have work-arounds. Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe at msi.umn.edu HPC Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute http://www.msi.umn.edu From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Wed Apr 22 01:07:42 2009 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:07:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ** Saturday ** Install Fest !!! @PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting April 25, 2009 Message-ID: <49EEB42E.4080705@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday April 25th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 9:00 am to 7:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) This month the Penguins Unbound Meeting will be an _INSTALL_FEST_! and _UBUNTU_Release_Party_! from 9:00am to 7:00pm With the release of Ubuntu 9.04 it is a good time to have a Install Fest/Release Party. Come on down, bring a computer or two (or more) and get some help installing Linux on your computer. And then help someone out installing Linux on their computer. Hope to see you there! If you are going to make it, and be willing to help others please let me know when you are going to be there, how long you will be attending, and what Linux you can help people with. And then I can add it to the wiki page. Or you can add it to the wiki yourself BTW. There will be some monitors/keyboards/mice to use if you would like to leave yours at home. ==>brian. From 42octopus at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 20:01:49 2009 From: 42octopus at gmail.com (Ron Johnson) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:01:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] inatalling ubuntu net book remix Message-ID: <80370dd20904221801q4e2c5997m5882d7a77e35b7d7@mail.gmail.com> I was writing the image for Ubuntu Net Book Remix to usb and it would stall and hang for a long time. I am not sure how big a usb key you need I was using a 2 gig key. it says your net book should have 4 gigs of storage. can any one help with this ?I seen nothing about it in the forums. I was installing it with the usb image writer in Ubuntu. now I am going to try it on windows :( See you Saturday! , Ron -- "There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species to make grand claims." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090422/fa7628d9/attachment.htm From 42octopus at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 20:08:16 2009 From: 42octopus at gmail.com (Ron Johnson) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:08:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu net book remix. Message-ID: <80370dd20904221808x773a4661k1bbaa798c1ccc664@mail.gmail.com> It says on the main page you need a one gig or larger usb drive to install to. -- "There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species to make grand claims." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090422/8439fcea/attachment.htm From gabe at msi.umn.edu Thu Apr 23 09:56:08 2009 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:56:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] inatalling ubuntu net book remix In-Reply-To: <80370dd20904221801q4e2c5997m5882d7a77e35b7d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <80370dd20904221801q4e2c5997m5882d7a77e35b7d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090423145608.GA29009@blackice.msi.umn.edu> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 08:01:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > I was writing the image for Ubuntu Net Book Remix to usb and it would > stall and hang for a long time. I am not sure how big a usb key you need I > was using a 2 gig key. it says your net book should have 4 gigs of > storage. can any one help with this ? > I seen nothing about it in the forums. I was installing it with the usb > image writer in Ubuntu. now I am going to try it on windows :( > See you Saturday! , Ron You don't need the image writer to put the UNR image on the USB key. You just dd it to the key: dd if=/path/to/unr.img of=/dev/sdb bs=1M Where sdb is the device via which your USB key is accessible (see the output of dmesg after inserting the key to get the device). HTH, Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe at msi.umn.edu HPC Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute http://www.msi.umn.edu From 42octopus at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 17:18:11 2009 From: 42octopus at gmail.com (Ron Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:18:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Success. Message-ID: <80370dd20904231518l2468fefep648200a10758ba00@mail.gmail.com> Thank you for the help !!! I am running Ubuntu Netbook Remix now. I like it. Very good netbook distro. I ran it about 5 minutes. Then wiped the netbook xp os. 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URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090423/b9fe5787/attachment.htm From tclug at jfoo.org Sat Apr 25 12:53:12 2009 From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:53:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ** Saturday ** Install Fest !!! @PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting April 25, 2009 In-Reply-To: <49EEB42E.4080705@Goecke-Dolan.com> References: <49EEB42E.4080705@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: <49F34E08.6010504@jfoo.org> Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote: > This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be > Saturday April 25th at TIES, > 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 > from 9:00 am to 7:00pm > (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more > info.) > > This month the Penguins Unbound Meeting will be an > > _INSTALL_FEST_! > and > _UBUNTU_Release_Party_! > > from 9:00am to 7:00pm This was fun. If you haven't been there yet, go hang out for a bit. I installed 9.04 on my MacBook under VMWare, but didn't get the tools working. I did get the tools working for 8.10 (thanks Tony). j From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Apr 25 19:21:18 2009 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:21:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL devices Message-ID: <20090426002118.GB9753@fireopal.org> I'm investigating upgrading my DSL to something faster than what I've had for the last 10+ years. My service is so old that I'm still using a Cisco 675. :-) I need a memory refresh - the 675 does CAP right? I've been told that any change in service is going to require me to go to a different standard - DMT? Anyone have a spare DMT device they don't need any more? Anyone have recommendations (for or against!) any specific DMT devices? -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org From jus at krytosvirus.com Sat Apr 25 19:57:54 2009 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (jus at krytosvirus.com) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:57:54 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL devices Message-ID: <1460843743-1240707622-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-88740176-@bxe1154.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Assuming Qwest, yes you will likely need to get a DMT capable device and the 675 is not one of them. The 678 can do either though it requires different firmware to switch between CAP and DMT. I can get you either firmware. The standard Qwest DSL router is either an ActionTec or a 2Wire brand. IMO they are all roughly the same except some may have built in wifi or more/less switch ports. Some of the first generation ActionTec ones would crash on port scanning from the internet but I doubt you could even get any of those except maybe from eBay. If you want to be able to link 2 DSL circuits together you are going to need something much higher end like a Cisco 1800 series (probably more money than what you'd be willing to pay). Otherwise might as well as get something like a MOE circuit and then you just get ethernet hand off but it would be a much higher monthly. ------Original Message------ From: Scott Raun Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] DSL devices Sent: Apr 25, 2009 7:21 PM I'm investigating upgrading my DSL to something faster than what I've had for the last 10+ years. My service is so old that I'm still using a Cisco 675. :-) I need a memory refresh - the 675 does CAP right? I've been told that any change in service is going to require me to go to a different standard - DMT? Anyone have a spare DMT device they don't need any more? Anyone have recommendations (for or against!) any specific DMT devices? -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From ecrist at secure-computing.net Sat Apr 25 20:10:00 2009 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (ecrist at secure-computing.net) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 01:10:00 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL devices In-Reply-To: <20090426002118.GB9753@fireopal.org> References: <20090426002118.GB9753@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <221623106-1240708180-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1920961473-@bxe1185.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Look at Comcast Business. I've been very happy, as I know others on this list have, as well. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Scott Raun Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:21:18 To: Subject: [tclug-list] DSL devices I'm investigating upgrading my DSL to something faster than what I've had for the last 10+ years. My service is so old that I'm still using a Cisco 675. :-) I need a memory refresh - the 675 does CAP right? I've been told that any change in service is going to require me to go to a different standard - DMT? Anyone have a spare DMT device they don't need any more? Anyone have recommendations (for or against!) any specific DMT devices? -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Apr 25 20:31:25 2009 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:31:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL devices In-Reply-To: <221623106-1240708180-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1920961473-@bxe1185.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <20090426002118.GB9753@fireopal.org> <221623106-1240708180-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1920961473-@bxe1185.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <20090426013125.GA11534@fireopal.org> I'm currently very happy with Visi as my ISP. So, until they do something to annoy sufficiently (unlikely - I get a static IP and a local server to host my two domains), I'm likely to not run away. On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 01:10:00AM +0000, ecrist at secure-computing.net wrote: > Look at Comcast Business. I've been very happy, as I know others on > this list have, as well. > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Raun > > Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:21:18 > To: > Subject: [tclug-list] DSL devices > > > I'm investigating upgrading my DSL to something faster than what I've > had for the last 10+ years. My service is so old that I'm still using > a Cisco 675. :-) > > I need a memory refresh - the 675 does CAP right? I've been told that > any change in service is going to require me to go to a different > standard - DMT? Anyone have a spare DMT device they don't need any > more? Anyone have recommendations (for or against!) any specific DMT > devices? -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org From florin at iucha.net Sat Apr 25 20:21:08 2009 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:21:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL devices In-Reply-To: <1460843743-1240707622-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-88740176-@bxe1154.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1460843743-1240707622-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-88740176-@bxe1154.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <20090426012108.GM11983@iris.iucha.org> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 12:57:54AM +0000, jus at krytosvirus.com wrote: > Assuming Qwest, yes you will likely need to get a DMT capable device and the 675 is not one of them. The 678 can do either though it requires different firmware to switch between CAP and DMT. I can get you either firmware. The standard Qwest DSL router is either an ActionTec or a 2Wire brand. IMO they are all roughly the same except some may have built in wifi or more/less switch ports. Some of the first generation ActionTec ones would crash on port scanning from the internet but I doubt you could even get any of those except maybe from eBay. > If you want to be able to link 2 DSL circuits together you are going to need something much higher end like a Cisco 1800 series (probably more money than what you'd be willing to pay). Otherwise might as well as get something like a MOE circuit and then you just get ethernet hand off but it would be a much higher monthly. Would something like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cisco-1721-w-WIC-1ADSL-DSL-Router-1700_W0QQitemZ230292635882QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Routers?hash=item230292635882&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50 work? It is a "Cisco 1721 w/ WIC-1ADSL *DSL Router* 1700". 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The standard Qwest DSL router is either an > ActionTec or a 2Wire brand. IMO they are all roughly the same except > some may have built in wifi or more/less switch ports. Some of the > first generation ActionTec ones would crash on port scanning from > the internet but I doubt you could even get any of those except > maybe from eBay. Well, Qwest is providing my copper, but Visi is my ISP. > If you want to be able to link 2 DSL circuits together you are going > to need something much higher end like a Cisco 1800 series (probably > more money than what you'd be willing to pay). Otherwise might as > well as get something like a MOE circuit and then you just get > ethernet hand off but it would be a much higher monthly. Not planning on anything like that at the moment. I'm close enough to my CO that I could get up to 6MB currently (if I'm inclined to pay for it). > ------Original Message------ > From: Scott Raun > Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] DSL devices > Sent: Apr 25, 2009 7:21 PM > > I'm investigating upgrading my DSL to something faster than what I've > had for the last 10+ years. My service is so old that I'm still using > a Cisco 675. :-) > > I need a memory refresh - the 675 does CAP right? I've been told that > any change in service is going to require me to go to a different > standard - DMT? Anyone have a spare DMT device they don't need any > more? Anyone have recommendations (for or against!) any specific DMT > devices? > -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org From jima at beer.tclug.org Sat Apr 25 23:06:43 2009 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:06:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL devices In-Reply-To: <20090426002118.GB9753@fireopal.org> References: <20090426002118.GB9753@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <49F3DDD3.70100@beer.tclug.org> Scott Raun wrote: > I'm investigating upgrading my DSL to something faster than what I've > had for the last 10+ years. My service is so old that I'm still using > a Cisco 675. :-) > > I need a memory refresh - the 675 does CAP right? I've been told that > any change in service is going to require me to go to a different > standard - DMT? Anyone have a spare DMT device they don't need any > more? Anyone have recommendations (for or against!) any specific DMT > devices? The 675 did CAP-only, correct. The 678 could do CAP or DMT (dependent on firmware only, IIRC). The Actiontec GT701, which normally an atrocious option (easily the worst Linux implementation I've had the displeasure of investigating), can be upgraded to "alternative" firmware like OpenWRT. Someone in this group (who may or may not wish to be identified) actually has almost completely native IPv6 from his ISP (IPhouse) using such a setup. I unfortunately never had a chance to experiment with it, although I have a pair of supposedly capable devices I might be willing to part with (as well as a 678, actually). :-) I won't dismiss Eric's suggestion, however; my work switched to Comcast Business for their Internet access, to decent savings, along with a remarkable boost in speed (7/1mbit -> 22/5mbit). The only downside is the largest block of statics they'll allocate seems to be a /28. (*cry, cry*) Qwest offers larger, but now that they fixed their mis-billing, it'll cost you an arm and a leg. Keep us posted on what you end up doing! Jima From jus at krytosvirus.com Mon Apr 27 09:47:56 2009 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:47:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL devices In-Reply-To: <20090426012108.GM11983@iris.iucha.org> References: <1460843743-1240707622-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-88740176-@bxe1154.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20090426012108.GM11983@iris.iucha.org> Message-ID: Yes that will work for a single DSL. If you get a second dsl wic you should be able to multilink the two together. We do it with T-1's for customers already. Of course you will need the right IOS to do ppp multilink. Would something like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cisco-1721-w-WIC-1ADSL-DSL-Router-1700_W0QQitemZ23029263 5882QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Routers?hash=item230292635882&_trksid=p3286.c 0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|2 94%3A50 work? It is a "Cisco 1721 w/ WIC-1ADSL *DSL Router* 1700". Thanks, florin From jus at krytosvirus.com Mon Apr 27 09:50:37 2009 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:50:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL devices In-Reply-To: <20090426013700.GB11534@fireopal.org> References: <1460843743-1240707622-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-88740176-@bxe1154.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20090426013700.GB11534@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <21DC862063BE45C68CC478013729D215@usicorp.usinternet.com> > Well, Qwest is providing my copper, but Visi is my ISP. > Yes, qwest is providing the DSL connection vs someone like Frontier. It depends on where you are geographically. I don't have much knowledge with non-Qwest based DSL services. The ISP portion of the service is not involved in the CAP vs DMT question. >> If you want to be able to link 2 DSL circuits together you are going >> to need something much higher end like a Cisco 1800 series (probably >> more money than what you'd be willing to pay). Otherwise might as >> well as get something like a MOE circuit and then you just get >> ethernet hand off but it would be a much higher monthly. > >Not planning on anything like that at the moment. I'm close enough to >my CO that I could get up to 6MB currently (if I'm inclined to pay for >it). Didn't suspect so but you did ask about upgrading so I was not sure on your need. From 42octopus at gmail.com Mon Apr 27 17:13:13 2009 From: 42octopus at gmail.com (Ron Johnson) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:13:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ssh help Message-ID: <80370dd20904271513m4a3af839ue66b5885873f02f0@mail.gmail.com> I have been trying to ssh from one computer to another over my lan. i have a net gear wireless n router set to dhcp and all my computers have a reserved ip address. I followed the Linux Network Admin book. It says you have to set up your server. I have not installed a server to my lan . Is there anyway to ssh from client to client? All the computers ip addresses ping and return no problem. When I usessh username at 192.168.1.5 I receive a port 22 error. I have used ssh-keygen and left the passwords blank. I have used Gedit on /etc/usr ssh_config the client side looks perfect. I can not get the server side to edit properly because I am not running a server I can do samba shares no problem. But I really do want to be able to use sftp and rsync. Thanks for reading any ideas? A speical thanks to all the Penguins Unbound Guys ! Thanks, Ron -- "There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species to make grand claims." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Ron Johnson <42octopus at gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:13:13 To: Subject: [tclug-list] ssh help _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From 42octopus at gmail.com Mon Apr 27 18:09:53 2009 From: 42octopus at gmail.com (Ron Johnson) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:09:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ssh help Message-ID: <80370dd20904271609idea1e6fgdc8a0fd93b47b29@mail.gmail.com> Ok ssh server installed and im adding mysql ,apache and php. thanks for the quick help. Any recommendations are greatly appreciated. -- "There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species to make grand claims." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090427/4ae12845/attachment.htm From bob at grunners.com Mon Apr 27 19:18:53 2009 From: bob at grunners.com (Bob De Mars) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:18:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ssh help In-Reply-To: <80370dd20904271609idea1e6fgdc8a0fd93b47b29@mail.gmail.com> References: <80370dd20904271609idea1e6fgdc8a0fd93b47b29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BC1B@lcldc01.LCL.local> >Ok ssh server installed and im adding mysql ,apache and php. >thanks for the quick help. > >Any recommendations are greatly appreciated. So I am curious if you were able to get this working? Also, curious what flavor of Linux you like to run? Bob De Mars IT Manager Tele: 651 925 1510 bob at grunners.com Cell: 612 850 6940 www.grunners.com From josh at tcbug.org Mon Apr 27 21:20:51 2009 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:20:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL devices In-Reply-To: <20090426002118.GB9753@fireopal.org> References: <20090426002118.GB9753@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <17CED983-B01C-42C9-B112-28CA97EF5866@tcbug.org> On Apr 25, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Scott Raun wrote: > I'm investigating upgrading my DSL to something faster than what I've > had for the last 10+ years. My service is so old that I'm still using > a Cisco 675. :-) > > I need a memory refresh - the 675 does CAP right? I've been told that > any change in service is going to require me to go to a different > standard - DMT? Anyone have a spare DMT device they don't need any > more? Anyone have recommendations (for or against!) any specific DMT > devices? > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun at fireopal.org I have a spare 678 with DMT firmware I was using with quest/visi until about 6 months ago if you want to stick with something that has JBOS on it. Thanks, Josh Paetzel From sulrich at botwerks.org Tue Apr 28 08:33:47 2009 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:33:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL devices In-Reply-To: References: <1460843743-1240707622-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-88740176-@bxe1154.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20090426012108.GM11983@iris.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Justin Krejci wrote: > Yes that will work for a single DSL. > If you get a second dsl wic you should be able to multilink the two > together. We do it with T-1's for customers already. Of course you will need > the right IOS to do ppp multilink. this does of course presume that the other side will support MLPPP and that the ISP is willing to do this. if the subscriber VCs come across disparate ATM interfaces on different BNG platforms, MLPPP is basically out of the question. typically coordination of separate DSL lines across service provider interfaces is not supported and coordinating this with the LEC is more than a little bit of a hass. if you're dealing with very small ISPs where there's a single connection to the local LEC then it's a relatively trivial undertaking. > > Would something like this: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Cisco-1721-w-WIC-1ADSL-DSL-Router-1700_W0QQitemZ23029263 > 5882QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Routers?hash=item230292635882&_trksid=p3286.c > 0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|2 > 94%3A50 > > work? ?It is a "Cisco 1721 w/ WIC-1ADSL *DSL Router* 1700". > -- steve ulrich (sulrich at botwerks.*) From bob at grunners.com Tue Apr 28 15:21:35 2009 From: bob at grunners.com (Bob De Mars) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:21:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register Message-ID: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> Hello, and a good day to you all. This is a little off the topic of Linux, but I am in need of a new domain register for our work domains. A former co-worker of mine setup about 30 domain names on godaddy.com a few years back. To make a long story short, I *HATE* them, and I want to move all the domain names somewhere else. I was curious if anyone could recommend someone good. Basically I am looking for the anti-godaddy.com. The exact opposite of godaddy.com. I don't want to see things that translate to "If you're an idiot, click here, bring your credit card, and a customer service rep. will be with you shorty to drain you account. Please enjoy our scantly dressed hooker stripper videos while you wait. " I hate the silly web apps to no where. Again, I *HATE* them. I just want someone who can hold the names, and point to dns servers. Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi Twin City Linux User Group. You're my only hope.......... Bob De Mars IT Manager Tele: 651 925 1510???bob at grunners.com Cell: 612 850 6940?? www.grunners.com From andyschmid at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 15:33:06 2009 From: andyschmid at gmail.com (Andy Schmid) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:33:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> References: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> Message-ID: <7b7c42a30904281333g6f51b749u23b754c0c4acda0e@mail.gmail.com> Just curious, why don't you like godaddy? I've registered a few domains through them and have been completely satisfied. Its true, all the extras they push on you can get a bit annoying, but I've never been charged for anything I didn't order. For how cheap their domain registration is, I can look past all the extra crap they try to get you to purchase. As for an alternative, the only other site I really know about is register.com. I have no personal experience with them though. -Andy On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Bob De Mars wrote: > Hello, and a good day to you all. This is a little off the topic of Linux, > but I am in need of a new domain register for our work domains. A former > co-worker of mine setup about 30 domain names on godaddy.com a few years > back. To make a long story short, I *HATE* them, and I want to move all the > domain names somewhere else. > > I was curious if anyone could recommend someone good. > > Basically I am looking for the anti-godaddy.com. The exact opposite of > godaddy.com. I don't want to see things that translate to "If you're an > idiot, click here, bring your credit card, and a customer service rep. will > be with you shorty to drain you account. Please enjoy our scantly dressed > hooker stripper videos while you wait. " I hate the silly web apps to no > where. Again, I *HATE* them. > > I just want someone who can hold the names, and point to dns servers. > > Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi Twin City Linux User Group. You're my only > hope.......... > > Bob De Mars > IT Manager > Tele: 651 925 1510 bob at grunners.com > Cell: 612 850 6940 www.grunners.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090428/539bc878/attachment.htm From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 15:44:20 2009 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:44:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> References: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> Message-ID: <254fef0f0904281344v2bb5efbdsfe8ad54052bf3698@mail.gmail.com> I relatively recently switched to Name.com, and it seems good so far. Decent prices, and they stay out of your hair. Just gets the job done and nothing else. -- Tony Yarusso http://tonyyarusso.com/ From tclug at jfoo.org Tue Apr 28 15:49:19 2009 From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:49:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: <7b7c42a30904281333g6f51b749u23b754c0c4acda0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> <7b7c42a30904281333g6f51b749u23b754c0c4acda0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F76BCF.5030407@jfoo.org> I've used godaddy and register.com (I like userfriendly). Both are okay. If you want privacy, register.com is cheaper. If you don't (or have your own, like a PO box) then godaddy is cheaper. Godaddy has everything needed - DNS servers. Sure, it's a pain, but it is cheap. Register.com is much more clunky. Don't remember if they have dns servers or not. j Andy Schmid wrote: > Just curious, why don't you like godaddy? I've registered a few domains > through them and have been completely satisfied. Its true, all the > extras they push on you can get a bit annoying, but I've never been > charged for anything I didn't order. For how cheap their domain > registration is, I can look past all the extra crap they try to get you > to purchase. > > As for an alternative, the only other site I really know about is > register.com . I have no personal experience with > them though. > > -Andy > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Bob De Mars > wrote: > > Hello, and a good day to you all. This is a little off the topic of > Linux, but I am in need of a new domain register for our work > domains. A former co-worker of mine setup about 30 domain names on > godaddy.com a few years back. To make a long > story short, I *HATE* them, and I want to move all the domain names > somewhere else. > > I was curious if anyone could recommend someone good. > > Basically I am looking for the anti-godaddy.com > . The exact opposite of godaddy.com > . I don't want to see things that translate to > "If you're an idiot, click here, bring your credit card, and a > customer service rep. will be with you shorty to drain you account. > Please enjoy our scantly dressed hooker stripper videos while you > wait. " I hate the silly web apps to no where. Again, I *HATE* them. > > I just want someone who can hold the names, and point to dns servers. > > Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi Twin City Linux User Group. You're my only > hope.......... > > Bob De Mars > IT Manager > Tele: 651 925 1510 bob at grunners.com > Cell: 612 850 6940 www.grunners.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From progressivepenguin at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 15:52:30 2009 From: progressivepenguin at gmail.com (Steve T) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:52:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> References: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> Message-ID: <7156d5f20904281352p259323echaea713636a20cb9e@mail.gmail.com> I've had about the same bad luck with GoDaddy. I've used Tucows recently and like working with them. Only other registrar I've used is RU-Center for foreign domains. -- "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act!" -- George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair) From a.kuriger at liquidphlux.com Tue Apr 28 15:57:01 2009 From: a.kuriger at liquidphlux.com (Andrew Kuriger) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:57:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: <7b7c42a30904281333g6f51b749u23b754c0c4acda0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: NetworkSolutions.com is rated #1 by the wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_top_ranking_domain_registrars). Otherwise, I currently hold 2 domains with godaddy. You are both right, their site is more overcrowded with advertisements than Barak Obama's inauguration. Luckily as I said I only own 2 and only have to visit their site once every five years which sure makes it difficult to remember my passwords from five years back. I would probably take a look at a few of the sites listed in the wiki link and find something that isn't trying to ram add ons down your throat and somebody who only does domain registrations (no hosting, mail, etc) as they are the kings of the crop. Good luck! ~Andrew On 4/28/2009, "Andy Schmid" wrote: >Just curious, why don't you like godaddy? I've registered a few domains >through them and have been completely satisfied. Its true, all the extras >they push on you can get a bit annoying, but I've never been charged for >anything I didn't order. For how cheap their domain registration is, I can >look past all the extra crap they try to get you to purchase. > >As for an alternative, the only other site I really know about is >register.com. I have no personal experience with them though. > >-Andy > >On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Bob De Mars wrote: > >> Hello, and a good day to you all. This is a little off the topic of Linux, >> but I am in need of a new domain register for our work domains. A former >> co-worker of mine setup about 30 domain names on godaddy.com a few years >> back. To make a long story short, I *HATE* them, and I want to move all the >> domain names somewhere else. >> >> I was curious if anyone could recommend someone good. >> >> Basically I am looking for the anti-godaddy.com. The exact opposite of >> godaddy.com. I don't want to see things that translate to "If you're an >> idiot, click here, bring your credit card, and a customer service rep. will >> be with you shorty to drain you account. Please enjoy our scantly dressed >> hooker stripper videos while you wait. " I hate the silly web apps to no >> where. Again, I *HATE* them. >> >> I just want someone who can hold the names, and point to dns servers. >> >> Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi Twin City Linux User Group. You're my only >> hope.......... >> >> Bob De Mars >> IT Manager >> Tele: 651 925 1510 bob at grunners.com >> Cell: 612 850 6940 www.grunners.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> From ecrist at secure-computing.net Tue Apr 28 16:04:05 2009 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (ecrist at secure-computing.net) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:04:05 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> References: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> Message-ID: <916940603-1240952617-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1418782202-@bxe1185.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> You will pay full price, but domainpeople.com is rock solid. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Bob De Mars Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:21:35 To: tclug-list Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register Hello, and a good day to you all. This is a little off the topic of Linux, but I am in need of a new domain register for our work domains. A former co-worker of mine setup about 30 domain names on godaddy.com a few years back. To make a long story short, I *HATE* them, and I want to move all the domain names somewhere else. I was curious if anyone could recommend someone good. Basically I am looking for the anti-godaddy.com. The exact opposite of godaddy.com. I don't want to see things that translate to "If you're an idiot, click here, bring your credit card, and a customer service rep. will be with you shorty to drain you account. Please enjoy our scantly dressed hooker stripper videos while you wait. " I hate the silly web apps to no where. Again, I *HATE* them. I just want someone who can hold the names, and point to dns servers. Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi Twin City Linux User Group. You're my only hope.......... Bob De Mars IT Manager Tele: 651 925 1510???bob at grunners.com Cell: 612 850 6940?? www.grunners.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dniesen at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 16:08:21 2009 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:08:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: References: <7b7c42a30904281333g6f51b749u23b754c0c4acda0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70904281408u54529c7dm3bf2e6763e2f2efc@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Andrew Kuriger wrote: > > NetworkSolutions.com is rated #1 by the wiki > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_top_ranking_domain_registrars). > > Otherwise, I currently hold 2 domains with godaddy. You are both right, > their site is more overcrowded with advertisements than Barak Obama's > inauguration. Luckily as I said I only own 2 and only have to visit > their site once every five years which sure makes it difficult to > remember my passwords from five years back. > > I would probably take a look at a few of the sites listed in the wiki > link and find something that isn't trying to ram add ons down your > throat and somebody who only does domain registrations (no hosting, > mail, etc) as they are the kings of the crop. > > Good luck! > > ~Andrew > > On 4/28/2009, "Andy Schmid" wrote: > >>Just curious, why don't you like godaddy? ?I've registered a few domains >>through them and have been completely satisfied. ?Its true, all the extras >>they push on you can get a bit annoying, but I've never been charged for >>anything I didn't order. ?For how cheap their domain registration is, I can >>look past all the extra crap they try to get you to purchase. >> >>As for an alternative, the only other site I really know about is >>register.com. ?I have no personal experience with them though. >> >>-Andy >> >>On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Bob De Mars wrote: >> >>> Hello, and a good day to you all. ?This is a little off the topic of Linux, >>> but I am in need of a new domain register for our work domains. ?A former >>> co-worker of mine setup about 30 domain names on godaddy.com a few years >>> back. ?To make a long story short, I *HATE* them, and I want to move all the >>> domain names somewhere else. >>> >>> I was curious if anyone could recommend someone good. >>> >>> Basically I am looking for the anti-godaddy.com. ?The exact opposite of >>> godaddy.com. ?I don't want to see things that translate to "If you're an >>> idiot, click here, bring your credit card, and a customer service rep. will >>> be with you shorty to drain you account. ?Please enjoy our scantly dressed >>> hooker stripper videos while you wait. " ?I hate the silly web apps to no >>> where. ?Again, I *HATE* them. >>> >>> I just want someone who can hold the names, and point to dns servers. >>> >>> Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi Twin City Linux User Group. ?You're my only >>> hope.......... >>> >>> Bob De Mars >>> IT Manager >>> Tele: 651 925 1510 ? bob at grunners.com >>> Cell: 612 850 6940 ? www.grunners.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Network Solutions DNS tools are really cruddy. You cannot preconfigure the DNS settings before switching to their DNS servers. If you do end up going with them, I would suggest hosting your DNS elsewhere. They also nag the crap out of you with upsells to other service. Whatever you do, don't use their webmail service. I had a client moving emails between folders in the webmail service, they disappeared with no way to retrieve them. NS support stated this sometimes happened with their web interface. I've used 1and1 for domain registration. They are pretty inexpensive and give you some decent DNS control as well. I've heard some horror stories with their billing department from others but have used them for nearly 5 years with no significant issues. -- Donovan Niesen From r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 16:16:50 2009 From: r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com (Robert Wilkinson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:16:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register Message-ID: <1240953410.5762.14.camel@bob-desktop> I'm staying with Godaddy at any cost as long as they keep Danica Patrick. From max at bernsteinforpresident.com Tue Apr 28 15:55:57 2009 From: max at bernsteinforpresident.com (Max Shinn) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:55:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> References: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> Message-ID: <200904281555.57811.max@bernsteinforpresident.com> Namecheap.com does everything I've ever needed. They have a modest price, (though it has gone up) and I've never experienced any problems. -Max From ian.greenleaf at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 16:46:52 2009 From: ian.greenleaf at gmail.com (Ian Young) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:46:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: <200904281555.57811.max@bernsteinforpresident.com> References: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> <200904281555.57811.max@bernsteinforpresident.com> Message-ID: <49F7794C.1000906@gmail.com> I have a couple acquaintances who use Namecheap and are quite happy with it. I use Dreamhost, which is fine for just pointing to places, but they don't give you advanced DNS features unless you also have a hosting plan. Ian Max Shinn wrote: > Namecheap.com does everything I've ever needed. They have a modest price, > (though it has gone up) and I've never experienced any problems. > > -Max > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- From stuff at cb1inc.com Tue Apr 28 18:29:23 2009 From: stuff at cb1inc.com (Chris Barber) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:29:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> References: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> Message-ID: <49F79153.3020709@cb1inc.com> I use Network Solutions and I'm ok with them. They are expensive and they try to sell you a bunch of crap, but their web-based DNS management is ok. The nice thing about NetSol is they do a good job of protecting your domain. I was going to transfer my stuff to 1&1, but changed my mind after I went too far, but luckily NetSol blocked it. NetSol is still my registrar, but I don't use NetSol anymore for DNS. My sites are hosted at Slicehost and they have a DNS front end with an API should I ever need it. Almost all of my clients use NetSol. One client uses Enom. Another uses GoDaddy. I think they're all pretty much the same. You know, Google is a registrar... this might be worth looking into: http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/domain.html -Chris Bob De Mars wrote: > Hello, and a good day to you all. This is a little off the topic of Linux, but I am in need of a new domain register for our work domains. A former co-worker of mine setup about 30 domain names on godaddy.com a few years back. To make a long story short, I *HATE* them, and I want to move all the domain names somewhere else. > > I was curious if anyone could recommend someone good. > > Basically I am looking for the anti-godaddy.com. The exact opposite of godaddy.com. I don't want to see things that translate to "If you're an idiot, click here, bring your credit card, and a customer service rep. will be with you shorty to drain you account. Please enjoy our scantly dressed hooker stripper videos while you wait. " I hate the silly web apps to no where. Again, I *HATE* them. > > I just want someone who can hold the names, and point to dns servers. > > Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi Twin City Linux User Group. You're my only hope.......... > > Bob De Mars > IT Manager > Tele: 651 925 1510 bob at grunners.com > Cell: 612 850 6940 www.grunners.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From josh at joshwelch.com Tue Apr 28 18:50:57 2009 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:50:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> References: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> Message-ID: I started using DirectNIC a year or two back when GoDaddy did some things that I found objectionable, and no the Danica Patrick ads were _not_ the problem. I think things crystalized for me when they took down Seclists.org though there were a couple other things as well. I've still got a couple names with them that I'm waiting to get closer to expiration before I move them, too dang cheap, and do find their interface these days to be horribly crowded. Josh On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Bob De Mars wrote: > Hello, and a good day to you all. This is a little off the topic of Linux, > but I am in need of a new domain register for our work domains. A former > co-worker of mine setup about 30 domain names on godaddy.com a few years > back. To make a long story short, I *HATE* them, and I want to move all the > domain names somewhere else. > > I was curious if anyone could recommend someone good. > > Basically I am looking for the anti-godaddy.com. The exact opposite of > godaddy.com. I don't want to see things that translate to "If you're an > idiot, click here, bring your credit card, and a customer service rep. will > be with you shorty to drain you account. Please enjoy our scantly dressed > hooker stripper videos while you wait. " I hate the silly web apps to no > where. Again, I *HATE* them. > > I just want someone who can hold the names, and point to dns servers. > > Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi Twin City Linux User Group. You're my only > hope.......... > > Bob De Mars > IT Manager > Tele: 651 925 1510 bob at grunners.com > Cell: 612 850 6940 www.grunners.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090428/9fbd9dce/attachment.htm From christophermsmith at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 19:21:40 2009 From: christophermsmith at gmail.com (Chris Smith) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:21:40 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: <49F79153.3020709@cb1inc.com> References: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> <49F79153.3020709@cb1inc.com> Message-ID: <3D3B2A8A-DF48-467C-84D1-650B6242DC8B@gmail.com> I like dyndns.com Sent from my iPhone On Apr 28, 2009, at 7:29 PM, Chris Barber wrote: > I use Network Solutions and I'm ok with them. They are expensive and > they try to sell you a bunch of crap, but their web-based DNS > management > is ok. The nice thing about NetSol is they do a good job of > protecting > your domain. I was going to transfer my stuff to 1&1, but changed my > mind after I went too far, but luckily NetSol blocked it. > > NetSol is still my registrar, but I don't use NetSol anymore for DNS. > My sites are hosted at Slicehost and they have a DNS front end with an > API should I ever need it. > > Almost all of my clients use NetSol. One client uses Enom. Another > uses GoDaddy. I think they're all pretty much the same. > > You know, Google is a registrar... this might be worth looking into: > http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/domain.html > > -Chris > > > Bob De Mars wrote: >> Hello, and a good day to you all. This is a little off the topic >> of Linux, but I am in need of a new domain register for our work >> domains. A former co-worker of mine setup about 30 domain names on >> godaddy.com a few years back. To make a long story short, I *HATE* >> them, and I want to move all the domain names somewhere else. >> >> I was curious if anyone could recommend someone good. >> >> Basically I am looking for the anti-godaddy.com. The exact >> opposite of godaddy.com. I don't want to see things that translate >> to "If you're an idiot, click here, bring your credit card, and a >> customer service rep. will be with you shorty to drain you >> account. Please enjoy our scantly dressed hooker stripper videos >> while you wait. " I hate the silly web apps to no where. Again, I >> *HATE* them. >> >> I just want someone who can hold the names, and point to dns servers. >> >> Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi Twin City Linux User Group. You're my only >> hope.......... >> >> Bob De Mars >> IT Manager >> Tele: 651 925 1510 bob at grunners.com >> Cell: 612 850 6940 www.grunners.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug1 at greatlakedata.com Tue Apr 28 22:55:57 2009 From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:55:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: <3D3B2A8A-DF48-467C-84D1-650B6242DC8B@gmail.com> References: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> <49F79153.3020709@cb1inc.com> <3D3B2A8A-DF48-467C-84D1-650B6242DC8B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <429c5ec20904282055h79f71214v2298824577a268d2@mail.gmail.com> hostway is the cheapest, and basic, no upsells, it works, i use it.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090428/4912a40a/attachment.htm From timad1986 at mac.com Tue Apr 28 23:14:58 2009 From: timad1986 at mac.com (Timothy Madsen) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:14:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: <720BDFFF-975D-4593-9AEB-AD48AEAF23A5@theoccasionsgroup.com> References: <720BDFFF-975D-4593-9AEB-AD48AEAF23A5@theoccasionsgroup.com> Message-ID: <23749325087649594861140283345194063837-Webmail@me.com> Hi, A group that I work with recently switched from GoDaddy.com to WebHostingPad.com. The switch was not painless, but once switched, everything seems to work well. With GoDaddy we were forever having our DNS listing getting dropped and not sure we were getting mail from visitors. Many messages were something to the effect of, "This is the Xth message sent; why do you not respond." I wonder how many did not even try to send another message.... Initially, we did have some difficulty with the site dropping, but when performing a lookup, it was back at GoDaddy as the registrar. After that was resolved, clear sailing. Timothy Madsen On Tuesday, April 28, 2009, at 04:09PM, wrote: >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:21:35 -0500 >From: Bob De Mars >Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register >To: "tclug-list" >Message-ID: > <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1 at lcldc01.LCL.local> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hello, and a good day to you all. This is a little off the topic of Linux, but I am in need of a new domain >register for our work domains. A former co-worker of mine setup about 30 domain names on godaddy.com >a few years back. To make a long story short, I *HATE* them, and I want to move all the domain names >somewhere else. > >I was curious if anyone could recommend someone good. > >Basically I am looking for the anti-godaddy.com. The exact opposite of godaddy.com. I don't want to see >things that translate to "If you're an idiot, click here, bring your credit card, and a customer service rep. will >be with you shorty to drain you account. Please enjoy our scantly dressed hooker stripper videos while you >wait. " I hate the silly web apps to no where. Again, I *HATE* them. > >I just want someone who can hold the names, and point to dns servers. > >Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi Twin City Linux User Group. You're my only hope.......... > >Bob De Mars >IT Manager >Tele: 651 925 1510???bob at grunners.com >Cell: 612 850 6940?? www.grunners.com From jack at jacku.com Tue Apr 28 23:25:07 2009 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:25:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> References: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> Message-ID: <200904282325.07312.jack@jacku.com> I use Register4Less for most of my domains. They aren't the cheapest, or the most expensive, but they advertise on User Friendly so I decided to use them when I needed to make a switch a couple of years ago. On Tuesday 28 April 2009, Bob De Mars wrote: > Hello, and a good day to you all. This is a little off the topic of Linux, > but I am in need of a new domain register for our work domains. A former > co-worker of mine setup about 30 domain names on godaddy.com a few years > back. To make a long story short, I *HATE* them, and I want to move all > the domain names somewhere else. > > I was curious if anyone could recommend someone good. > > Basically I am looking for the anti-godaddy.com. The exact opposite of > godaddy.com. I don't want to see things that translate to "If you're an > idiot, click here, bring your credit card, and a customer service rep. will > be with you shorty to drain you account. Please enjoy our scantly dressed > hooker stripper videos while you wait. " I hate the silly web apps to no > where. Again, I *HATE* them. > > I just want someone who can hold the names, and point to dns servers. > > Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi Twin City Linux User Group. You're my only > hope.......... > > Bob De Mars > IT Manager > Tele: 651 925 1510???bob at grunners.com > Cell: 612 850 6940?? www.grunners.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jack Ungerleider jack at jacku.com http://www.jacku.com From eric.beyer at lnxfrk.net Wed Apr 29 00:00:15 2009 From: eric.beyer at lnxfrk.net (E. Beyer) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:00:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> References: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> Message-ID: <74698f5a0904282200u7c307f6cq95b6f496eba3aa19@mail.gmail.com> A few years ago i switched to dnsexit (http://www.dnsexit.com/) and have been quite happy. It's quite simple and works for me and a few other friends/family I have recommended it to. I guess my only negative comment is that I wish they would hide/mask some of the information returned by whois... Cheers, Eric On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Bob De Mars wrote: > Hello, and a good day to you all. This is a little off the topic of Linux, > but I am in need of a new domain register for our work domains. A former > co-worker of mine setup about 30 domain names on godaddy.com a few years > back. To make a long story short, I *HATE* them, and I want to move all the > domain names somewhere else. > > I was curious if anyone could recommend someone good. > > Basically I am looking for the anti-godaddy.com. The exact opposite of > godaddy.com. I don't want to see things that translate to "If you're an > idiot, click here, bring your credit card, and a customer service rep. will > be with you shorty to drain you account. Please enjoy our scantly dressed > hooker stripper videos while you wait. " I hate the silly web apps to no > where. Again, I *HATE* them. > > I just want someone who can hold the names, and point to dns servers. > > Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi Twin City Linux User Group. You're my only > hope.......... > > Bob De Mars > IT Manager > Tele: 651 925 1510 bob at grunners.com > Cell: 612 850 6940 www.grunners.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090429/ae715b4e/attachment.htm From dave at sherohman.org Wed Apr 29 04:52:57 2009 From: dave at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:52:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: References: <7b7c42a30904281333g6f51b749u23b754c0c4acda0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090429095257.GM18424@sherohman.org> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 03:57:01PM -0500, Andrew Kuriger wrote: > NetworkSolutions.com is rated #1 by the wiki > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_top_ranking_domain_registrars). Note that the list is ordered by how many domains use them, not by how much people like them. NetSol is at the top of the list because they were the first commercial registrar and held a monopoly on .com through most of the 90s. Today, NetSol remains one of the most, if not the most, expensive registrar and I don't think I've ever heard anyone say good things about their customer service. I have dealt with them myself, and I can't say that it was, in any way, a pleasant experience. So, yeah. Not recommended. I register my domains through domainmonger.com, which is a tucows reseller, mostly just because I liked their name back in 2000 when I registered my first domain. I've had no problems with them, their rates are decent (although not the absolute cheapest), and they don't push upsells on you. -- Dave Sherohman NomadNet, Inc. http://nomadnetinc.com/ From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Apr 29 08:31:35 2009 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:31:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: <3D3B2A8A-DF48-467C-84D1-650B6242DC8B@gmail.com> References: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> <49F79153.3020709@cb1inc.com> <3D3B2A8A-DF48-467C-84D1-650B6242DC8B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090429083135.44aeccab@sinkhole.intrcomm.net> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:21:40 -0400 Chris Smith wrote: > I like dyndns.com Another vote for dyndns from me - great support, no frills easy-peasy interface. Sure others can beat the $15 a year but anyone that can't afford an extra few dollars a year on domain renewal is not someone I want to deal with billing for the actual hosting cost. :) Josh From bob at grunners.com Wed Apr 29 09:01:19 2009 From: bob at grunners.com (Bob De Mars) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:01:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register In-Reply-To: <7b7c42a30904281333g6f51b749u23b754c0c4acda0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260BFD1@lcldc01.LCL.local> <7b7c42a30904281333g6f51b749u23b754c0c4acda0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70260C1C0@lcldc01.LCL.local> From: Andy Schmid [mailto:andyschmid at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:33 PM To: Bob De Mars Cc: tclug-list Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Domain Register Just curious, why don't you like godaddy?? I think I'm over it now. When the former co-worker of mine setup all the companies domains he registered them personally to himself, and activated their protected registration. Even though I had a valid login to our account @ godaddy, I was unable to make any changes to the domains. I made contact many times to have my former co-worker removed, and they made me go through a bunch of legal mubo jumbo (which by the way caused an infinite loop for several months that I could not 'break' from). Basically I had to make contact with the former co-worker & have him fillout a hand full of paperwork that would release the domains protected status. This of course was met with a simple "F-U" followed by a "Click". It was frustrating. Once the process of starting the removal process started I could only contact godaddy via email. Godaddy would request info, I would sent it, godaddy would request info, I would send it, godaddy would request info, I would sent it, godaddy would request info, I would sent it godaddy would request info, I would sent it godaddy would request info, I would sent it godaddy would request info, I would sent it godaddy would request info, I would sent it godaddy would request info, I would sent it until finally "No information has been submitted in the required 60 day time frame. This case is closed & all documents have been shredded" Arrrrhhhhhh!!!!! I finally have had this issue resolved as of yesterday. I started the process on 29 July 08. I guess I'm over it now. Thanks to all for the many responses! Bob I've registered a few domains through them and have been completely satisfied.? Its true, all the extras they push on you can get a bit annoying, but I've never been charged for anything I didn't order.? For how cheap their domain registration is, I can look past all the extra crap they try to get you to purchase. As for an alternative, the only other site I really know about is register.com.? I have no personal experience with them though. -Andy On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Bob De Mars wrote: Hello, and a good day to you all. ?This is a little off the topic of Linux, but I am in need of a new domain register for our work domains. ?A former co-worker of mine setup about 30 domain names on godaddy.com a few years back. ?To make a long story short, I *HATE* them, and I want to move all the domain names somewhere else. I was curious if anyone could recommend someone good. Basically I am looking for the anti-godaddy.com. ?The exact opposite of godaddy.com. ?I don't want to see things that translate to "If you're an idiot, click here, bring your credit card, and a customer service rep. will be with you shorty to drain you account. ?Please enjoy our scantly dressed hooker stripper videos while you wait. " ?I hate the silly web apps to no where. ?Again, I *HATE* them. I just want someone who can hold the names, and point to dns servers. Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi Twin City Linux User Group. ?You're my only hope.......... Bob De Mars IT Manager Tele: 651 925 1510???bob at grunners.com Cell: 612 850 6940?? www.grunners.com From jucziz6 at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 12:41:34 2009 From: jucziz6 at gmail.com (James) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:41:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone with openfiler experience Message-ID: <81675d140904291041s147b8f53x26d1b9b33b355af9@mail.gmail.com> Over the years I have purchase a couple of the low cost USB NAS solutions that Linksys has come out with. These units use an ARM processor and a mini linux kernel. For the most part they work but, they are slow and if I try to un-tar a file on the unit back to itself it will lock up. I thought I'd move the drives to OpenFiler and away from the ARM processor. I setup OpenFiler, configured it with a multiport USB card and connected a new drive to it. Then I started moving files to it, the performance was below the charts. The ARM units were typically twice as fast as OpenFiler. The OpenFiler system was practically idle from what I could see in top, accessing the drive from the system had some issues as well. Does anyone have any experience with OpenFiler and USB drives or performance tuning it? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090429/3da50ca6/attachment.htm From jucziz6 at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 12:58:05 2009 From: jucziz6 at gmail.com (James) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:58:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone with openfiler experience Message-ID: <81675d140904291058y28ae87beg5eb793bfb6ba81ce@mail.gmail.com> Over the years I have purchase a couple of the low cost USB NAS solutions that Linksys has come out with. These units use an ARM processor and a mini linux kernel. For the most part they work but, they are slow and if I try to un-tar a file on the unit back to itself it will lock up. I thought I'd move the drives to OpenFiler and away from the ARM processor. I setup OpenFiler, configured it with a multiport USB card and connected a new drive to it. Then I started moving files to it, the performance was below the charts. The ARM units were typically twice as fast as OpenFiler. The OpenFiler system was practically idle from what I could see in top, accessing the drive from the system had some issues as well. Does anyone have any experience with OpenFiler and USB drives or performance tuning it? Thank From dniesen at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 13:13:07 2009 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:13:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone with openfiler experience In-Reply-To: <81675d140904291058y28ae87beg5eb793bfb6ba81ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <81675d140904291058y28ae87beg5eb793bfb6ba81ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70904291113n389113a4l40952c9e4c713e63@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM, James wrote: > Over the years I have purchase a couple of the low cost USB NAS solutions > that Linksys has come out with. These units use an ARM processor and a mini > linux kernel. For the most part they work but, they are slow and if ?I try > to un-tar a file on the unit back to itself it will lock up. I thought I'd > move the drives to OpenFiler and away from the ARM processor. I setup > OpenFiler, configured it with a multiport USB card and connected a new drive > to it. Then I started moving files to it, the performance was below the > charts. The ARM units were typically twice as fast as OpenFiler. The > OpenFiler system was practically idle from what I could see in top, > accessing the drive from the system had some issues as well. > > Does anyone have any experience with OpenFiler and USB drives or performance > tuning it? > > Thank > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > USB is going to be a bottleneck no matter what; why not crack those drives open and hook them up to a SATA/IDE interface instead? If you need to stick with USB I would check to make sure that they are operating at the full 2.0 speed. Maybe run hdparm -t on each disk and see that you're getting somewhere around 20MB/s. -- Donovan Niesen From 42octopus at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 13:49:25 2009 From: 42octopus at gmail.com (Ron Johnson) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:49:25 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] ssh remote log in good Message-ID: <80370dd20904291149x49389b6em5abab77ee2dee4e1@mail.gmail.com> I am working on apache now. my Linux Network Administrator's Guide 3rdave edition is a little out of date. I am baseing the server on 9.04. and I have ssh dns and dhcp running. I am working on apache. Reading the updated documents for 2.2 now. Working on making my pages come up on my lan computers before I open it to the net. Anyone else out there running ubuntu servers ? -- "There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species to make grand claims." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there anything specific that you need a hand with? ~Andrew On 4/29/2009, "Ron Johnson" <42octopus at gmail.com> wrote: >I am working on apache now. my Linux Network Administrator's Guide >3rdave edition is a little out of date. I am baseing the server on 9.04. >and I have ssh dns and dhcp running. I am working on apache. Reading the >updated documents for 2.2 now. Working on making my pages come up on my lan >computers before I open it to the net. >Anyone else out there running ubuntu servers ? > > >-- >"There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand >statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species to make >grand claims." From 42octopus at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 22:40:43 2009 From: 42octopus at gmail.com (Ron Johnson) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:40:43 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] apache server questions. Message-ID: <80370dd20904292040i42683131w6b6ba0e2bd4a9cda@mail.gmail.com> root at ron-laptop:/home/www# mkdir vbrew.com root at ron-laptop:/home/www# ls vbrew.com root at ron-laptop:/home/www# cd vbrew.com root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com# gedit html.htm root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com# apache2ctl start apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName httpd (pid 5807) already running root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com# root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com# ls html.htm root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com# Here is my httpd.conf file. NameVirtualHost 172.16.0.199 ServerName www.vbrew.com DocumentRoot /home/www/vbrew.com ServerName www.virtualvineyard.com So the server is running. Is my Dns failing? I wrote an html document in www.vbrew.com. But I can not load the web page www.vbrew.com in another computer's browser on my lan. I can see the host in the other computer and it is running the 127.0.1.1 address. Also What else should I add to the directory to make the page viewable? Thanks, Ron -- "There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species to make grand claims." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090429/0657a02e/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- root at ron-laptop:/home/www# apache2ctl start Warning: DocumentRoot [/home/www/vbrew.com] does not exist apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName httpd (pid 5807) already running root at ron-laptop:/home/www# mkdir vbrew.com mkdir: cannot create directory `vbrew.com': File exists root at ron-laptop:/home/www# ls vbrew.com root at ron-laptop:/home/www# gedit vbrew,com root at ron-laptop:/home/www# gedit vbrew.com root at ron-laptop:/home/www# ls vbrew.com root at ron-laptop:/home/www# rm vbrew.com root at ron-laptop:/home/www# mkdir vbrew.com root at ron-laptop:/home/www# ls vbrew.com root at ron-laptop:/home/www# cd vbrew.com root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com# gedit html.htm root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com# apache2ctl start apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName httpd (pid 5807) already running root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com# root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com# ls html.htm root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com# From 42octopus at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 00:10:57 2009 From: 42octopus at gmail.com (Ron Johnson) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:10:57 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] re apache2 server Message-ID: <80370dd20904292210y1d8ea256n8824a863627a0aab@mail.gmail.com> I have local host working. It says it works in the server browser. Time to sleep. -- "There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species to make grand claims." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090429/06eabbf8/attachment.htm From jucziz6 at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 07:42:25 2009 From: jucziz6 at gmail.com (James) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:42:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone with openfiler experience In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70904291113n389113a4l40952c9e4c713e63@mail.gmail.com> References: <81675d140904291058y28ae87beg5eb793bfb6ba81ce@mail.gmail.com> <47f4d5e70904291113n389113a4l40952c9e4c713e63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <81675d140904300542kc0ade8fl1b0864e3d5f2ccd9@mail.gmail.com> After much research I finally found that OpenFiler only configures USB devices at a 1.1 level and not 2.0 which is why the throughput is so low. If I want to use USB drives I'll have to setup a standard Linux system and share out the drives on it. Thanks everyone for your suggestions. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Donovan wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM, James wrote: >> Over the years I have purchase a couple of the low cost USB NAS solutions >> that Linksys has come out with. These units use an ARM processor and a mini >> linux kernel. For the most part they work but, they are slow and if ?I try >> to un-tar a file on the unit back to itself it will lock up. I thought I'd >> move the drives to OpenFiler and away from the ARM processor. I setup >> OpenFiler, configured it with a multiport USB card and connected a new drive >> to it. Then I started moving files to it, the performance was below the >> charts. The ARM units were typically twice as fast as OpenFiler. The >> OpenFiler system was practically idle from what I could see in top, >> accessing the drive from the system had some issues as well. >> >> Does anyone have any experience with OpenFiler and USB drives or performance >> tuning it? >> >> Thank >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > USB is going to be a bottleneck no matter what; why not crack those > drives open and hook them up to a SATA/IDE interface instead? > > If you need to stick with USB I would check to make sure that they are > operating at the full 2.0 speed. ?Maybe run hdparm -t on each disk and > see that you're getting somewhere around 20MB/s. > > > -- > Donovan Niesen > From marc at e-skinner.net Thu Apr 30 08:28:14 2009 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:28:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] apache server questions. In-Reply-To: <80370dd20904292040i42683131w6b6ba0e2bd4a9cda@mail.gmail.com> References: <80370dd20904292040i42683131w6b6ba0e2bd4a9cda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F9A76E.40000@e-skinner.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A couple of things: make sure your htlm.htm file is actually called index.html also make sure that file/directory structure has the correct permssions. i'm not sure what group apache runs as in Ubuntu - but in CentOS/Fedora/RHEL your files need to be owned by group apache. i would also set the Servername - that is the reason your getting the error: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName Ron Johnson wrote: > > root at ron-laptop:/home/www # mkdir > vbrew.com > root at ron-laptop:/home/www # ls > vbrew.com > root at ron-laptop:/home/www # cd > vbrew.com > root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com > # gedit html.htm > root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com > # apache2ctl start > apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified > domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName > httpd (pid 5807) already running > root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com > # > root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com > # ls > html.htm > root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com > # > > > > > Here is my httpd.conf file. > > NameVirtualHost 172.16.0.199 > > > > ServerName www.vbrew.com > > DocumentRoot /home/www/vbrew.com > > > > > > ServerName www.virtualvineyard.com > > > > > > > So the server is running. > Is my Dns failing? > I wrote an html document in www.vbrew.com . > But I can not load the web page www.vbrew.com in > another computer's browser on my lan. I can see the host in the other > computer and it is running the 127.0.1.1 address. > Also What else should I add to the directory to make the page viewable? > > Thanks, Ron > > > > > > > -- > "There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand > statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species to make > grand claims." > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkn5p24ACgkQvE9HrEfeE4dAVACfVVmPsWpaEcpSRS0ywlWjbUzE dY0AoJ0nAQVqE8mSg5O1T8vuOzLWbUDJ =OVca -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From a.kuriger at liquidphlux.com Thu Apr 30 08:38:19 2009 From: a.kuriger at liquidphlux.com (Andrew Kuriger) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:38:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] apache server questions. In-Reply-To: <80370dd20904292040i42683131w6b6ba0e2bd4a9cda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Is that your full httpd.conf file? It seems mighty small and missing a few directives/modules. Try to run: apachectl configtest to see if your syntax is correct. I'm not sure how it is in Linux but all the virtual hosts that I have created for my server are also located in /usr/local/etc/apache22/extra/httpd-vhosts.conf but Im sure the locations configuration locations are different for you (since this is BSD). Whats the point of the 127.0.1.1 address? You would probably want to bind to the IP that the system has been allocated since from external machines cannot route to the 127 address. Remember to look for some example files and follow documentations. Apache has great documentation on their site although it can be a bit cryptic at first. ~Andrew On 4/30/2009, "Ron Johnson" <42octopus at gmail.com> wrote: >root at ron-laptop:/home/www# mkdir vbrew.com >root at ron-laptop:/home/www# ls >vbrew.com >root at ron-laptop:/home/www# cd vbrew.com >root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com# gedit html.htm >root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com# apache2ctl start >apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain >name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName >httpd (pid 5807) already running >root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com# >root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com# ls >html.htm >root at ron-laptop:/home/www/vbrew.com# > > > > >Here is my httpd.conf file. > >NameVirtualHost 172.16.0.199 > > > >ServerName www.vbrew.com > >DocumentRoot /home/www/vbrew.com > > > > > >ServerName www.virtualvineyard.com > > > > > >So the server is running. >Is my Dns failing? >I wrote an html document in www.vbrew.com. >But I can not load the web page www.vbrew.com in another computer's browser >on my lan. I can see the host in the other computer and it is running the >127.0.1.1 address. >Also What else should I add to the directory to make the page viewable? > >Thanks, Ron > > > > > >-- >"There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand >statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species to make >grand claims." From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Thu Apr 30 09:16:14 2009 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:16:14 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] apache server questions. In-Reply-To: <49F9A76E.40000@e-skinner.net> References: <80370dd20904292040i42683131w6b6ba0e2bd4a9cda@mail.gmail.com> <49F9A76E.40000@e-skinner.net> Message-ID: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E602E24C60@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> > in CentOS/Fedora/RHEL your files need to be owned by group apache. I don't think so. Files only need to be READABLE by the apache process. Directories also need to be executable so Apache can "cd" into them, for example to generate dynamic directory listings (mod_autoindex). # cd ; chmod --recursive 755 * For directories that contain scripts or CGIs, Redhat recommends assigning ownership to root. http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/security-guide/s 1-server-http.html From blawrence at qwest.net Thu Apr 30 10:39:32 2009 From: blawrence at qwest.net (Brian Lawrence) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:39:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone with openfiler experience In-Reply-To: <81675d140904300542kc0ade8fl1b0864e3d5f2ccd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <81675d140904291058y28ae87beg5eb793bfb6ba81ce@mail.gmail.com><47f4d5e70904291113n389113a4l40952c9e4c713e63@mail.gmail.com> <81675d140904300542kc0ade8fl1b0864e3d5f2ccd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That's very interesting. How did you learn this? Brian -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of James Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:42 AM To: Donovan Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Anyone with openfiler experience After much research I finally found that OpenFiler only configures USB devices at a 1.1 level and not 2.0 which is why the throughput is so low. If I want to use USB drives I'll have to setup a standard Linux system and share out the drives on it. Thanks everyone for your suggestions. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Donovan wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM, James wrote: >> Over the years I have purchase a couple of the low cost USB NAS >> solutions that Linksys has come out with. These units use an ARM >> processor and a mini linux kernel. For the most part they work but, >> they are slow and if ?I try to un-tar a file on the unit back to >> itself it will lock up. I thought I'd move the drives to OpenFiler >> and away from the ARM processor. I setup OpenFiler, configured it >> with a multiport USB card and connected a new drive to it. Then I >> started moving files to it, the performance was below the charts. The >> ARM units were typically twice as fast as OpenFiler. The OpenFiler >> system was practically idle from what I could see in top, accessing the drive from the system had some issues as well. >> >> Does anyone have any experience with OpenFiler and USB drives or >> performance tuning it? >> >> Thank >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > USB is going to be a bottleneck no matter what; why not crack those > drives open and hook them up to a SATA/IDE interface instead? > > If you need to stick with USB I would check to make sure that they are > operating at the full 2.0 speed. ?Maybe run hdparm -t on each disk and > see that you're getting somewhere around 20MB/s. > > > -- > Donovan Niesen > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jucziz6 at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 11:08:16 2009 From: jucziz6 at gmail.com (James) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:08:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone with openfiler experience In-Reply-To: References: <81675d140904291058y28ae87beg5eb793bfb6ba81ce@mail.gmail.com> <47f4d5e70904291113n389113a4l40952c9e4c713e63@mail.gmail.com> <81675d140904300542kc0ade8fl1b0864e3d5f2ccd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <81675d140904300908y16158fd2td1827f17e7ae0f56@mail.gmail.com> I found it referenced in the openfiler forums. When looking through /etc/sysconfig/hwconf the only information I could find for the USB card was a 1.1 driver for it. So I installed OpenFiler on a system I know has USB 2.0 and had the same results. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote: > That's very interesting. How did you learn this? > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of James > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:42 AM > To: Donovan > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Anyone with openfiler experience > > After much research I finally found that OpenFiler only configures USB > devices at a 1.1 level and not 2.0 which is why the throughput is so low. If > I want to use USB drives I'll have to setup a standard Linux system and > share out the drives on it. > > Thanks everyone for your suggestions. > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Donovan wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM, James wrote: >>> Over the years I have purchase a couple of the low cost USB NAS >>> solutions that Linksys has come out with. These units use an ARM >>> processor and a mini linux kernel. For the most part they work but, >>> they are slow and if ?I try to un-tar a file on the unit back to >>> itself it will lock up. I thought I'd move the drives to OpenFiler >>> and away from the ARM processor. I setup OpenFiler, configured it >>> with a multiport USB card and connected a new drive to it. Then I >>> started moving files to it, the performance was below the charts. The >>> ARM units were typically twice as fast as OpenFiler. The OpenFiler >>> system was practically idle from what I could see in top, accessing the > drive from the system had some issues as well. >>> >>> Does anyone have any experience with OpenFiler and USB drives or >>> performance tuning it? >>> >>> Thank >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> USB is going to be a bottleneck no matter what; why not crack those >> drives open and hook them up to a SATA/IDE interface instead? >> >> If you need to stick with USB I would check to make sure that they are >> operating at the full 2.0 speed. ?Maybe run hdparm -t on each disk and >> see that you're getting somewhere around 20MB/s. >> >> >> -- >> Donovan Niesen >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From marc at e-skinner.net Thu Apr 30 14:18:05 2009 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:18:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] apache server questions. In-Reply-To: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E602E24C60@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <80370dd20904292040i42683131w6b6ba0e2bd4a9cda@mail.gmail.com> <49F9A76E.40000@e-skinner.net> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E602E24C60@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <49F9F96D.30704@e-skinner.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 true - owned by apache or world readable! Smith, Craig A wrote: >> in CentOS/Fedora/RHEL your files need to be owned by group apache. > > I don't think so. Files only need to be READABLE by the apache process. > Directories also need to be executable so Apache can "cd" into them, for > example to generate dynamic directory listings (mod_autoindex). > > # cd ; chmod --recursive 755 * > > > For directories that contain scripts or CGIs, Redhat recommends > assigning ownership to root. > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/security-guide/s > 1-server-http.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkn5+W0ACgkQvE9HrEfeE4dpSQCdHBAvpc5N1JvrmJsKIbkWhIdi fDUAoMhCObjfDYwGmovSvbcNoT0/JEuJ =gOx7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From 42octopus at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 15:04:50 2009 From: 42octopus at gmail.com (Ron Johnson) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:04:50 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] Apache server issue resolved ! Thanks to all for input :D Message-ID: <80370dd20904301304w3626f114kfa82a35d84e51c30@mail.gmail.com> I wanted to serve webpages so I installed apache but there is no dns server on my lan. So I will install bind and djbdns on my server that will resolve the name issue. I found out in reading how the name resolving in linux works. Reading all the documentation in the apache 2.2 pdf has helped now I understand and have an idea how to serve hundreds of pages. I am also getting a better hold on the syntax. -- "There are too many variables to draw conclusions (or make grand statements) about the universe. We are too ignorant a species to make grand claims." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090430/d0089fc2/attachment.htm