AFAIK not even that - they are stored "hashed". I.e. you can prove a plain text password against such hash to be correct, but you cannot recreate the original plain text password from the hash (as with message digests). Thus CHAP/MD5 _cannot_ work with UNIX passwords, because CHAP/MD5 is absolutely depending on the access to a clear text password on both ends of the authentication. Thats why MS-CHAP is probably really better, even if we don't like the fact that it's made by M$. -- Kanther-Line: PGP SSH IDEA MD5 GOST RIPE-MD160 3DES RSA FEAL32 RC4 +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) beck@ibh-dd.de XLink PoP Dresden | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ ++ Ascend Users Mailing List ++ To unsubscribe: send unsubscribe to ascend-users-request@bungi.com To get FAQ'd: <<A HREF="http://www.shore.net/~dreaming/ascend-faq">http://www.shore.net/~dreaming/ascend-faq</A>> or <<A HREF="ftp://ftp.shore.net/members/dreaming/ascend-faq.txt">ftp://ftp.shore.net/members/dreaming/ascend-faq.txt</A>> </PRE> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <STRONG>Follow-Ups</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg05915.html">Re: (ASCEND) CHAP authentication - I hate to ask, but...</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: James Carlson <carlson@xylogics.com></LI> </UL> </UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg05819.html">Re: (ASCEND) CHAP authentication - I hate to ask, but...</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: Christian Vogel <chris@bene.baynet.de></LI> </UL> </UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <HR> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg05911.html">Re: (ASCEND) [NAT] Who uses it ?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg05912.html">Re: (ASCEND) SNMP on Channelized E1</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg05819.html">Re: (ASCEND) CHAP authentication - I hate to ask, but...</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg05915.html">Re: (ASCEND) CHAP authentication - I hate to ask, but...</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="mail119.html#05913"><STRONG>Main</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thrd53.html#05913"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> </BODY> </HTML>