ASCEND Pipelines appear not to know how to count bytes and divide by time. (this is all you need to support DBA with any device of this type). Proof of this is the SGI and other ISDN-capable devices which *do* DBA and don't need any silly protocol support for it. Last time I checked, any general-purpose CPU could execute both addition and shift instructions (which is all you need to implement the above). We've been saying this for a *long time* to ASCEND, and it has fallen on deaf ears. Given the simplicity of implementing this capability, I can only surmise that this is a bald-faced attempt to influence the purchase of central-site hardware to which the Pipeline might connect. The effect in our case has been for us to pull all recommendations for Pipeline routers - exactly the opposite of ASCEND's intended result. Oh well. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin <A HREF="http://www.mcs.net/~karl">http://www.mcs.net/~karl</A> | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service | NEW! K56Flex modem support is now available Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| 56kbps DIGITAL ISDN DOV on analog lines! Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | 2 FULL DS-3 Internet links; 400Mbps B/W Internal ++ Ascend Users Mailing List ++ To unsubscribe: send unsubscribe to ascend-users-request@bungi.com To get FAQ'd: <<A HREF="http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq">http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq</A>> </PRE> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <STRONG>Follow-Ups</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg10264.html">Re: (ASCEND) P75 to USR Total Control MP+ or BACP</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: Kevin Smith <kevin@ascend.com></LI> </UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg10262.html">Re: (ASCEND) P75 to USR Total Control MP+ or BACP</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: James Johnson <plexus@seanet.com></LI> </UL> </UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg10246.html">Re: (ASCEND) P75 to USR Total Control MP+ or BACP</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: Dean_Heltemes@cargill.com</LI> </UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg10256.html">Re: (ASCEND) P75 to USR Total Control MP+ or BACP</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: James Johnson <plexus@seanet.com></LI> </UL> </UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <HR> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10260.html">Re: (ASCEND) P75 to USR Total Control MP+ or BACP</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10257.html">Re: (ASCEND) Pipe 75 TFTP Problems</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10256.html">Re: (ASCEND) P75 to USR Total Control MP+ or BACP</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10262.html">Re: (ASCEND) P75 to USR Total Control MP+ or BACP</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="maillist.html#10258"><STRONG>Main</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thrd222.html#10258"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> </BODY> </HTML>