I tested trying to get my charisma from 21 to 30. It took 500sp nder the current system I've installed. Non-hacked characters aside, 500 spellpoints are very difficult to come by. That's 500 spellpoints worth of charisma spells I'm speaking of. Nobody's going to walk around with all their stats maxed by means of stat spells, unless they beat some very steep odds. PeterM