Re: CF: Re: Temples of Scorn / New Pantheon

["Mark Wedel" <mark@icp.siemens.com>]

On Jan 17,  5:51pm, Anthony Thyssen wrote:
> Subject: Re: CF: Re: Temples of Scorn / New Pantheon

> More maps or modifing maps to have a better mix, or many random maps
> each of different styles levels etc, will probably help a great deal,
> but a better monstor range (fully described) would make a lot more sense.
> 
> For example just `goblins' is probably not very good.

 Not all races need to be complete (for example, trolls can certainly
be one where there is nothing in which a first level person can take out.)
What is more important is that for each god, there is a complete progression
of enemies.

> Trolls: Small Troll, Troll
> Giant: kobold, goblin, gnoll, orc, ogre, ??? Hill giant, Frost Giant

 ogre mage is a possiblity. (or maybe giant ogre? - no reason
we can't make new stuff up).  Small troll might work out as an intermediate,
since trolls and giants probably will both probably be on the same gods
enemy list.


> Natural: Ants, Bees, Bats, Dogs, Birds, Mice, killer Bees, Snake,
>          Panther, Skorpion, Spider, Giant Cobra, Unicorn, Elementals

 I don't know if I would put unicorn and elemental in a natural category.
But as far as a gods enemy, could work out.

> Acid/Blobs: Acid shere, Blob, Slime, Black Pudding, (Blue Jelly),
>             (Ocre Jelly), (Glatinious Cube)

Nothin really has them as enemies, so I don't see making that a complte
list.

> Daemon: (Manes), (Lemures), (minor daemons), daemons, (arch daemons), devils
> Undead: Zombies, Ghosts, Skeletons, Shadows, Spectre, Wraith Skull
> Unnatural: Baslic, Behemoth, Beholder, Lich Demilich
>            Nightmare, Rust monster, Rass, Stalker, Dragons, Chess

lick and demilich are definately unded.  rass is demon.  nightmare
a lower planes creature and should probably also be there.  

> Faerie: Pixie, Tree?, Werewolf?, 

 elf, dark elf


> humans: City Dweller, Cleaning Woman, Viking, Dwarf, Elf, Fighter, Man,
>         Woman, Ninja, Pirates, Sage, guildmaster, Dark Elf, Guards,
>         Madman, Titan, Wizard

> 
> Some of probably should be combined for some gods,  EG: Trolls and Giants
> Unaturals and Undead.

 Merging should be done if it makes sense.  unnatural does not necessarily
go with undead.  While the actual evolution of rust monsters may not
have been natural, it could be argued they are more or less natural
monsters now (standard breadding practices, etc.)  

> 
> Some monsters may be in Multiple classes.

 This is not currently very well supported however.

 The most important thing in my opinion is that each good has a good
list of enemies so that character will be able to gain priest experience
for full progression.  Right now if you enemy is devils, it is pretty
difficult, as you will never be able to kill a devil just by first level
priest spells allow (Devil being the lowest current thing in that
race).  


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