Switched from KDE to Window Maker. I thought Usernet was the easiest way to bring dialup connections up / down. I have all users set as being able to disconnect in linuxconf, but in practice it seems to take root issuing a 'killall pppd'. Any suggestions on a less barbaric way around this one? Thanks, Phil -- if ($income > $expenses OR $time != $money ) set hell_frozen=true; asif