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Re: [TCLUG:3331] Windows NT pricing
Agreed from here too. I would add another strength of the Windows platform
(and Mac as well) is the ability of one centralized organization to be
able to enforce UI standards. (F1 is always help in any MS app, ALT always
brings up the menu, etc.) Apple was even more able to enforce this. The
open source community needs to be able to define some UI standards. To the
end user these standards result in ease of use and the ability to pick up
the basics in a new app pretty quickly.
(Please keep in mind I've been working entirely in text mode until
recently, and I acknowledge great strides may have been made in the X
Windows environments).
Also I don't mean to impose one UI on everybody, but the UI forking that
has historically marked the industry when there isn't one leading force is
one of our weaknesses.
On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, Vince Platt wrote:
> I'm glad Larry brought this up. It always fun to dis the market leader,
> no matter the industry. However, if we expect Linux to be successful, we
> have to acknowledge the strength of the current market leader(s), learn
> from them, and move on.
>
> I root for Linux everyday, because of its ability to propagate open
> standards. Linux won't significantly dent market share though until it
> becomes better at fulfilling the needs that Windows fulfills. Primary
> among those is ease of use. Next in line is Microsoft's ability to
> integrate their products to naturally complement each other and work
> together. Linux may not do these well initially, but it can make up for
> it with open source (which naturally allows the software to change faster
> in order to integrate better and become more user-friendly, which it's
> already doing to some extent).
>
> One of my goals in eventually moving away from Windows is to avoid
> adopting the ABM mindset. I don't really have an opinion about Microsoft,
> it's their practices that are a cause for concern. Just as it was with
> IBM. As it will be with the future market leader. Religion belongs in a
> church, not in I.T.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lcgreenwald <lcgreenwald@twistedpair.net>
> To: tclug-list@listserv.real-time.com <tclug-list@listserv.real-time.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 4:01 PM
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG:3331] Windows NT pricing
>
>
> I consider myself to be a competent and dedicated MS system administrator
> (and fortunately so does my boss). I am the entire Information Systems
> department here. I have 5 Windows NT4.0 servers running both file and
> print
> services as well as mail, IIS, SQL, FAX and an RF barcode reader system.
> I
> also have an SCO UNIX server and a Netware 3.12 server. I have about 40
> users running NT4.0 Workstation and Windows 95. This is connected via a
> WAN
> to our parent company. At home I run a network of Windows 95 and Linux on
> Intel and Sparc hardware. I spend 40-45 hours a week at work. My Windows
> NT 4.0 file servers typically run for several months without needing a
> reboot. If you set Windows NT up properly and don't twiddle it will work
> fine. Is it perfect? BY NO MEANS! I have had several battles with NT.
> I
> have also had a battle or two with Linux. Neither one is perfect. Each
> has
> its advantages and disadvantages. I for one am glad that both exist.
>
> Larry Greenwald
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Siegfried [mailto:sos@skypoint.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 9:36 AM
> To: tclug-list@listserv.real-time.com
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG:3331] Windows NT pricing
>
>
> While Ben's probably closer to being right about the _price_ of Windows
> products, he's still waaaay low on the _cost_ of running Windows. Because
> Microsoft O/S products are relatively more unstable than your typical Un*x
> system, administration and setup costs are much higher than for Un*x.
>
> Even if Windows were free, it's still no bargain if you spend all your
> time
> keeping it up and running. Ping a typical dedicated and competent MS
> system
> admin (if you can find one) and ask him when was the last time he saw his
> family and social friends.
>
> -Steve Siegfried
>
> Ben Kochie wrote:
> >
> > i think those numbers are a tad high..
> >
> > windows 98: full version with manual and cert. $84
> > windows NT 4.0 server: 25 client licenses $537
> >
> > ftp service: built in (it's ugly, but works) free
> > MS IIS 4.0 (in all the ms glory) free
> > email.. well post.office is expensive as hell
> >
> >
> > On 14-Jan-99 Serge M. Egelman wrote:
> > > My guess is about $200 (Win98 full version) for each of the Win9x
> boxes
> and
> > > probably another $500 for NT Server. So that would be $6500 for 30
> machines.
> > > Not only did you save all that money, but they work better (or work
> period
> > > for
> > > that matter).
> > >
> > > serge
> > >
> > > Tim Wilson wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hey everybody,
> > >>
> > >> Got a quick question here.
> > >>
> > >> Some of you are familiar with the network I have here at Sibley.
> Right
> > >> now I've got about 30 workstations and a Linux server providing all
> of
> the
> > >> usual Linux server goodies. Somebody asked me today how much it would
> have
> > >> cost to run the network if I had used Windows products. I don't know
> the
> > >> NT stuff very well, so I didn't have a good guess. Does anybody know
> > >> approx. how much it would cost to outfit 30 machines with Win9x and a
> > >> server with Win NT including email, ftp, web server,... etc.
> > >>
> > >> -Tim
> <Excess signature stuff deleted>
>
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