Now that the LifeKeepre folks are out of the room, I am willing to offer a candid perspective on lifekeepr for thoes that are interested. My company uses LifeKeeper, and I am an admin in a group of 3. We started working with LK back in sept-october (before my time at my current job, ive only been with them since November), and use it in our staging and prod environments. If anyone has any questions about it, feel free to ask, if i cant answer them, ill ask the Sr. Developer who actually implemented it. My feelings towards it are that is is ok, a bit iffy yet. It was a pain to implement, and or Sr. developer is a big perl hack and ended up doing a custon perl script to install and configure it because he felt there were some issues with the java GUI. I was not aware of their new release, and we havent looke at it yet. We are using 3.0 On another note, I was glad to beable to be intown for the TCLUG meeting; I am looking forward to moving back to MN (from boston) in july, and participating more. duncan -- || || || || || || duncan shannon duncan at sodatrain.com