I for one am going to have to agree with Sam on this....might be one of the first times I've done this I think...its time to put the blame on the criminals not on the victims....yes you should secure your boxen but not everyone knows how to make them secure....just because I'm learning how to make a lock for my front door does not give you license to squat in my house Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Sam MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 7:57 AM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Netstat Segmentation Fault I would feel better if people would do what they should, not what they want to do. Instead of helping people they try to hurt people. These are not people displaying any moral or ethical grounds for what they do. A criminal is a criminal, they are scum and should be dealt with as such. I've worked through to many virus and DOS attacks to consider the people that do this kind of thing as any less criminal. If they want to tell me a security hole exists they can call me. When they attack a system it is a criminal act, end of story. Find them, toss them in jail, and let buba have their ass. The problem IS the rootkit, it enables a crime to be committed. Rootkit has NO legitimate reason to exist, it exists to cause damage to a computer system. Drug dealers do the same thing they enable criminal behavior for profit. And NO it's not advertised as a way to check the security of your own system. The intent is to cause other people problems, because poor Johnny didn't get to watch TV that one Saturday when he was 10. Let Johnny have lots of time in prison for his actions. Sam. Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > >Would you feel safer if only the criminals knew where to get bolt cutters >and guns? The problem is not the rootkit, it's the hole they used to get >into the system to begin with. You should always perform a clean install >after an intrusion, a rootkit just gives you a harder boot in the rear. > > > >>Sam >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list