The contribution of GNU is not insignificant. The kernel is called Linux, and a majority of the tools are GNU. Together GNU and Linux create the operating system, but there is still more to the operating system than just GNU and Linux. Would a simple title change be sufficient for RMS? Renaming the group to Twin Cities GNU/Linux Users Group is easy enough, but dropping things from acronyms is common enough, so keeping the TCLUG acronym isn't out of the question...unless of course you are so far on to the extreme in your position that anything less that your demands is not acceptable. Unwillingness to find common ground and compromise only serves to weaken, not strengthen, your position and alienate those who would otherwise support you. Even if we decided to utimatilly change the acronym to TCGLUG, there would still be transition period. Odds are most of us would have to be forced to change tclug-list at mn-linux.org to tcglug-list at mn-gnu-linux.org. The old websites, domains, etc. would still have to be around as any archival press coverage would be under TCLUG. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com