Honestly, I find that fact that this is even being discussed this way is bizarre and unproductive. If anything, a decision for a name change should open us to a variety of options, and not merely the 2 (current and proposed). Frankly I would prefer dropping both GNU and Linux if it would mean less argument over semantics, but I know it would only created more confusion and argument. On an even plane, I am open to name changes, but the avenue and approach this has taken is borderline offensive, and rather than risk alienating those on the list and the group over such a petty issue, I say meet with Stallman if you wish, under whatever banner you so choose. But let's then sit down and discuss name proposals if people really would like a name change. Personally, while I don't find TC-LUG elegant, it IS clear and it was how I found the list so quickly upon moving here. Peace ====================== Jordan Peacock hewhocutsdown at gmail.com hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Robert Wilkinson <r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com>wrote: > I apologize to anyone who was offended by my comment about RMS being a > jackass (an independant and stubborn animal). I am however disgusted and > offended by his attempt at blackmail; an indefensible action. > > p.daniels is correct that this forum is not the appropriate place for name > calling. That is why I chose to continue discussion of my comment (and his > personal attack against me), off-line. I believe that this forum is not the > appropriate place for personal conflict. It seems that p.daniels does not > agree. > > This is a personal issue, an issue that he has now said should NOT be > off-line. If anyone questions whether this is a personal issue, I offer as > evidence the following comments that did NOT invoke a personal attack from > him: "...Stallman is a conceited dinosaur...", "The conceit to insist that > the TCLUG name be changed is extreme, unprofessional, and unforgivable.", > "[His] Pettiness is > unattractive.", and "...you can go form the TC primadonnas Group. > You certainly match Richard Stallman in the ego department, but I haven't > seen anything to convince me that you are anywhere close to his abilities > and contribution to society. As such, put the stones back in the pile; > you can also turn in the fake beards...". I don't know where that last one > came from, as I have never claimed greatness in ANYTHING! > > And then there is the comment about kissing my mother with "that mouth." > This comment caused me great sadness, as my mother passed away three weeks > ago this coming Wednesday. Of course he had no way of knowing that, but > after informing him off-line, he refuses to show any regret or compassion. > What a guy! > > I guess that I am not allowed to have an opinion unless it agrees with his, > and he has declared that the 1st amendment to the US Constitution only > applies to those who agree with him. And he says that I have low class! > > I promise that I will no longer air personal laundry in this forum. No > matter what p.daniels says. I do reserve the right to have an opinion and > to speak it! > > God bless Richard Stallman, and thank you Richard for your tremendous > contributions. Please drop the attitude though. You and your followers are > not gods, not even royalty, and in a small number of cases, NOT nice people! > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20081006/1c175ad6/attachment-0001.htm