Honestly, I find that fact that this is even being discussed this way is
bizarre and unproductive. If anything, a decision for a name change should
open us to a variety of options, and not merely the 2 (current and
proposed).

Frankly I would prefer dropping both GNU and Linux if it would mean less
argument over semantics, but I know it would only created more confusion and
argument.

On an even plane, I am open to name changes, but the avenue and approach
this has taken is borderline offensive, and rather than risk alienating
those on the list and the group over such a petty issue, I say meet with
Stallman if you wish, under whatever banner you so choose.

But let's then sit down and discuss name proposals if people really would
like a name change. Personally, while I don't find TC-LUG elegant, it IS
clear and it was how I found the list so quickly upon moving here.

Peace

======================
Jordan Peacock
hewhocutsdown at gmail.com
hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com


On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Robert Wilkinson <r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I apologize to anyone who was offended by my comment about RMS being a
> jackass (an independant and stubborn animal).  I am however disgusted and
> offended by his attempt at blackmail; an indefensible action.
>
> p.daniels is  correct that this forum is not the appropriate place for name
> calling.  That is why I chose to continue discussion of my comment (and his
> personal attack against me), off-line.  I believe that this forum is not the
> appropriate place for personal conflict.  It seems that p.daniels does not
> agree.
>
> This is a personal issue, an issue that he has now said should NOT be
> off-line.  If anyone questions whether this is a personal issue, I offer as
> evidence the following comments that did NOT invoke a personal attack from
> him:  "...Stallman is a conceited dinosaur...", "The conceit to insist that
> the TCLUG name be changed is extreme, unprofessional, and unforgivable.",
> "[His] Pettiness is
> unattractive.", and "...you can go form the TC primadonnas Group.
> You certainly match Richard Stallman in the ego department, but I haven't
> seen anything to convince me that you are anywhere close to his abilities
> and contribution to society.  As such, put the stones back in the pile;
> you can also turn in the fake beards...".  I don't know where that last one
> came from, as I have never claimed  greatness in ANYTHING!
>
> And then there is the comment about kissing my mother with "that mouth."
>  This comment caused me great sadness, as my mother passed away three weeks
> ago this coming Wednesday.  Of course he had no way of knowing that, but
> after informing him off-line, he refuses to show any regret or compassion.
> What a guy!
>
> I guess that I am not allowed to have an opinion unless it agrees with his,
> and he has declared that the 1st amendment to the US Constitution only
> applies to those who agree with him.  And he says that I have low class!
>
> I promise that I will no longer air personal laundry in this forum. No
> matter what p.daniels says.  I do reserve the right to have an opinion and
> to speak it!
>
> God bless Richard Stallman, and thank you Richard for your tremendous
> contributions. Please drop the attitude though. You and your followers are
> not gods, not even royalty, and in a small number of cases, NOT nice people!
>
>
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