> -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Miller > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:15 AM > To: TCLUG List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] TC*G*LUG > > > On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > More credit is due von Neumann than GNU in any case. > > More credit for what? Not for GNU or GNU/Linux or Linux, or whatever you > want to call it. That would be like saying that the credit for > Michelangelo's great stone sculptures should go more to the inventor of > the chisel than to Michelangelo. That is a bit of an exaggeration but > you'll get my point. > It's way too much a stretch of the fact I pointed out. Non-Harvard, non von Neumann machines are responsible for much of the chaos that Amazing Grace's work toward portability (via COBOL) eventually achieved. Stallman's work would not exist or run without those developments as specific parts of host environments for his stuff. Not a chisel, it's the physical art and also a canvas that provides the reality that Stallman (et alii) can do their unreal virtual stuff upon. Without a realization of von Neuman's work as a host, Stallman's has no existence at all. That deserves as much credit if not more but it's the real stuff, not some virtual reality :-) > Thank you. Certainly welcome and deserving for that. > I am not trying to usurp any authority. There is none. There is no "group", no leadership, and no way to make decisions except by fiat. I think Rick Tanner's opinion is essential for this.. maybe a few others. Jima's role seems to me to be more significant than he admits. Chuck