> There is none.  There is no "group", no leadership, and no way to make

Chuck, 

Some people do volunteer to organize meetings, and it can take a lot of work 
depending on the presentation.  Can you bring yourself to acknowedge that?

Jeremy

On Tuesday 07 October 2008 12:48:52 pm Chuck Cole wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Miller Sent:
> > Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:15 AM
> > To: TCLUG List
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] TC*G*LUG
> >
> > On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Chuck Cole wrote:
> > > More credit is due von Neumann than GNU in any case.
> >
> > More credit for what?  Not for GNU or GNU/Linux or Linux, or whatever you
> > want to call it.  That would be like saying that the credit for
> > Michelangelo's great stone sculptures should go more to the inventor of
> > the chisel than to Michelangelo.  That is a bit of an exaggeration but
> > you'll get my point.
>
> It's way too much a stretch of the fact I pointed out.  Non-Harvard, non
> von Neumann machines are responsible for much of the chaos that Amazing
> Grace's work toward portability (via COBOL) eventually achieved.  
> Stallman's work would not exist or run without those developments as
> specific parts of host environments for his stuff.  Not a chisel, it's the
> physical art and also a canvas that provides the reality that Stallman (et
> alii) can do their unreal virtual stuff upon.  Without a realization of von
> Neuman's work as a host, Stallman's has no existence at all.  That deserves
> as much credit if not more but it's the real stuff, not some virtual
> reality  :-)
>
> > Thank you.
>
> Certainly welcome and deserving for that.
>
> >  I am not trying to usurp any authority.
>
> There is none.  There is no "group", no leadership, and no way to make
> decisions except by fiat.  I think Rick Tanner's opinion is essential for
> this.. maybe a few others.  Jima's role seems to me to be more significant
> than he admits.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
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