The signal to noise ratio is very high on the name change. I've tried to follow the arguments and until now have passively let the community discuss(?) the issue. The passion on both sides is actually refreshing. It's been a long time since I've seen the community moved to such great emotional out bursts. The last time I think this happened was the yahoo.com ban? :-) But I'm also disheartened that a compromise wasn't found. Would an acceptable compromise be to have both TCLUG and TCGLUG. We've done something like this before. From our ancient days we had: [redhat|debian|slackware]-users groups. Remember those? Eventually they all collapsed in our present day TCLUG. But at one time the "code" did "fork". Why not try splitting the community again? Maybe competition from TCGLUG will put some spark back into TCLUG and www.tclug.org's old, stale web site might get re-worked. Or maybe TCGLUG will absorb TCLUG? Having both should keep everyone(?) almost happy. Comments? Seems like the first step is for someone to snarf the domain. $ jwhois tcglug.org [Querying whois.publicinterestregistry.net] [whois.publicinterestregistry.net] NOT FOUND I'll offer free mailing lists, web space, etc, for the tcglug just like tclug. Or you can put it on one of the free hosted services (google groups?) Thanks for your time. -- Bob Tanner <tanner at real-time.com> | Phone : (952 943-8700 http://www.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = F785 DDFC CF94 7CE8 AA87 3A9D 3895 26F1 0DDB E378