> I'll try and get there for pizza too. But frankly this whole experience has
> pretty much guaranteed that I'll never brave a larger TCLUG meeting. And

The meetings do not resemble this discussion in any way.

On Thursday 09 October 2008 9:54:36 pm p.daniels wrote:
> On Thursday October 9 2008 19:09:02 Mike Miller wrote:
> > We still don't know if anyone has permissions to change the web pages on
> > tclug.org.  The outcome of any vote would be irrelevant if we don't know
> > who can change the web pages.
> >
> > There is no club president or any kind of officer.  There is no way to
> > make decisions.  I was trying to find out who had some authority here
> > when the "vote" spam ensued "spontaneously."  Now it seems that people
> > are saying that it is better to have this kind of spam fest than to try
> > to work with founding members to come up with a system for making group
> > decisions.  OK, but I don't see how it is better.
> >
> > It has gotten to the point now where the self-righteous types have
> > started to chime in with messages saying that we shouldn't send messages.
> >  I guess the anti-message message isn't obvious enough as a form of
> > self-contained hypocrisy that the oblivious sender feels a twinge of
> > shame.
> >
> > I'll try to make it for pizza tomorrow.
> >
> > Mike
> >
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> As the oblivious sender in question, I agree wholeheartedly. I was trying
> to return some modicum of civility to the discussion. It didn't work
> (obviously), it obviously wasn't welcome, so I've walked away from it. If
> you want to call me misguided, fine (Jima already did, maybe he's right),
> but please don't call me self-righteous. My intentions were good. No shame
> here, just a little disgust in the back of my mouth.
>
> In any event, I've excused myself from the conversation. Frankly I think
> people are being assholes but I guess if that's the "collective will" or
> whatever then I'm not going to be able to stop it. I'm not going to talk
> about it, certainly not going to "vote" about it, if that's what we're
> calling this (no offense to Jordan or anybody else who's working hard at
> trying to make sense of all that, you've got nothing but admiration from
> me).
>
> So that's the end of that. I agree, I think this is stupid, but I can't
> stop folks from being stupid. Sad story, the end.
>
> I'll try and get there for pizza too. But frankly this whole experience has
> pretty much guaranteed that I'll never brave a larger TCLUG meeting. And
> that bums me out, I'd never been to one and I had kind of looked forward to
> doing that one day.
>
> -pete, okay now i'm really done really for real