> I'll try and get there for pizza too. But frankly this whole experience has > pretty much guaranteed that I'll never brave a larger TCLUG meeting. And The meetings do not resemble this discussion in any way. On Thursday 09 October 2008 9:54:36 pm p.daniels wrote: > On Thursday October 9 2008 19:09:02 Mike Miller wrote: > > We still don't know if anyone has permissions to change the web pages on > > tclug.org. The outcome of any vote would be irrelevant if we don't know > > who can change the web pages. > > > > There is no club president or any kind of officer. There is no way to > > make decisions. I was trying to find out who had some authority here > > when the "vote" spam ensued "spontaneously." Now it seems that people > > are saying that it is better to have this kind of spam fest than to try > > to work with founding members to come up with a system for making group > > decisions. OK, but I don't see how it is better. > > > > It has gotten to the point now where the self-righteous types have > > started to chime in with messages saying that we shouldn't send messages. > > I guess the anti-message message isn't obvious enough as a form of > > self-contained hypocrisy that the oblivious sender feels a twinge of > > shame. > > > > I'll try to make it for pizza tomorrow. > > > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > As the oblivious sender in question, I agree wholeheartedly. I was trying > to return some modicum of civility to the discussion. It didn't work > (obviously), it obviously wasn't welcome, so I've walked away from it. If > you want to call me misguided, fine (Jima already did, maybe he's right), > but please don't call me self-righteous. My intentions were good. No shame > here, just a little disgust in the back of my mouth. > > In any event, I've excused myself from the conversation. Frankly I think > people are being assholes but I guess if that's the "collective will" or > whatever then I'm not going to be able to stop it. I'm not going to talk > about it, certainly not going to "vote" about it, if that's what we're > calling this (no offense to Jordan or anybody else who's working hard at > trying to make sense of all that, you've got nothing but admiration from > me). > > So that's the end of that. I agree, I think this is stupid, but I can't > stop folks from being stupid. Sad story, the end. > > I'll try and get there for pizza too. But frankly this whole experience has > pretty much guaranteed that I'll never brave a larger TCLUG meeting. And > that bums me out, I'd never been to one and I had kind of looked forward to > doing that one day. > > -pete, okay now i'm really done really for real