Have not looked at the docs or warnings, but on our systems loading 6.1.7 killed livingston's radius running under BSDI 3.1. Not all that bad as problems go:) Tim Patterson Harborside Internet ++ Ascend Users Mailing List ++ To unsubscribe: send unsubscribe to ascend-users-request@bungi.com To get FAQ'd: <http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq>