A good starting place to find out is to check the RADIUS accounting details file. What is the value reported for the Ascend-Disconnect-Cause attribute? This will tell if the problem is the idle timer or something completely different. > I am running 5.0Ap27 I was running 5.0Ap13 and having the same issues. ... > Is there a time on besides Idle timeout on the Max4004's? > > I am also using radius and have no Idle timers set. When you say you have no idle timers set, are you referring to the RADIUS profiles for the users or the MAX Answer profile? Keep in mind that if you do not include a parameter in the RADIUS profile for the user, this does not mean that MAX will clear the value -- it means that the parameter will be set to the default value - either the value defined in the Answer profile on the MAX or the "factory" default value (in the case of Ethernet->Answer->Session Options->Idle this is 120). If you want to make sure the idle timer is cleared you need to include the attribute (in this case Ascend-Idle-Limit) in the RADIUS profile with an appropriate value (in this case a value of zero). e.g., Ascend-Idle-Limit = 0 For example: user-foo Password = "secret-value" Service-Type = Framed, Framed-Protocol = PPP, Framed-IP-Address = 10.2.3.4, Ascend-Idle-Limit = 0 ++ Ascend Users Mailing List ++ To unsubscribe: send unsubscribe to ascend-users-request@bungi.com To get FAQ'd: <<A HREF="http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq">http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq</A>> </PRE> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <HR> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg09748.html">Re: (ASCEND) Lucent purchased Livingston for $650 million</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg09747.html">(ASCEND) Dynamic Bandwith allocation</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg09744.html">(ASCEND) Time out on Analog calls (3 minutes)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg09747.html">(ASCEND) Dynamic Bandwith allocation</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="mail11.html#09746"><STRONG>Main</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thrd205.html#09746"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> </BODY> </HTML>