Why would this be Ascend's problem? Some brain-damaged programmer writes something that can't be played through anything doing NAT, and it's an Ascend problem? All the P75 is doing is passing data unmolested, which is precisely what a router should do. Surely we don't expect Ascend to write special code to deal with every game that comes down the pike. The P75 would have to break apart every packet and *guess* whether or not it's a Quake packet, rewrite the address, reassemble the packet, and send it. No thanks. The router can massage the packet header - that's the router's job in this case - but leave the data the hell alone. Let the geniuses who wrote Quake fix the massive bug in their program that prevents it from working in any NAT environment. I hear the same complaints from customers of the local RBOC's cable modem service, which uses NAT and Cisco 7000 series routers. It's not an Ascend problem, it's a bug in the application. Dale ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dale Botkin, President | Internet Services for Mid-America Probe Technology Inc. | Voice (402) 593-9800 10159 J St. | FAX (402) 593-8748 Omaha, NE 68127 | <A HREF="http://www.probe.net/">http://www.probe.net/</A> ----------------------------------------------------------------- ++ Ascend Users Mailing List ++ To unsubscribe: send unsubscribe to ascend-users-request@bungi.com To get FAQ'd: <<A HREF="http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq">http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq</A>> </PRE> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <STRONG>Follow-Ups</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg10331.html">Re: (ASCEND) Quake/QW and Pipeline 75 and NAT</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: Jake Messinger <jake@ams.com></LI> </UL> </UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <HR> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10330.html">Re: (ASCEND) Quake/QW and Pipeline 75 and NAT</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10326.html">Re: (ASCEND) Terminate After Selected Time!!!!!</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10357.html">Re: (ASCEND) Quake/QW and Pipeline 75 and NAT</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10331.html">Re: (ASCEND) Quake/QW and Pipeline 75 and NAT</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="mail2.html#10327"><STRONG>Main</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thrd225.html#10327"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> </BODY> </HTML>