Re: [TCLUG:10513] Relocating + Why cable will not suck

[Dave Erickson <gsa700xxx@mediaone.net>]

Scott Dier - dieman wrote:
> 
> Other decent DSL providers include onvoy (because they do more areas than
> anyone else), iaxs (because I have been using them for this box), and I
> have also heard that citilink is decent.  Many providers have visi as
> their upstream and charge lower DSL rates, you might want to consider that
> as an option.
> 
> On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> 
> > you will probably have to use MediaOne (and their stupid ISP).  I use
> > MediaOne and keep a dialup at VISI.  Also, neither service is available in
> > Stillwater at this time.  MediaOne is planning on upgrading to two-way there
> > sometime in the next century or so.
> 
> Heres the deal.
> 
> Everyone disses mediaone because of the shit-ass oneway modems.  They
> suck.  The mediaone repair guy I had come out to the house last week said
> they break 50% of the time.  So, stay away from one-way.
> 
> **BUT**
> 
> He has installed a ton of two way equipment in areas in the twin cities
> that can do two way.  It is a 3com docsis (sp?) cable modem.  3com makes
> very decent equipment IMHO.  He hasn't had to fix one of them yet since
> they went live in some areas.  It seems like the rest of the twin cities
> should be done within 6months to a year.  Time Warner is following suit
> within a year also.
> 
> People that I know on mediaone in the northeast US like it.  Its
> excrutingly fast for the cost. (50$ /w rental, 40$ if you have your own or
> buy it from a local retailer and install it yourself -- This has been
> mentioned on CNET as happining in the Mlps Area)
> 
> The reason cable does kick ass is that there is fiber coming *much, much
> closer* to your house than any other technology.  Whereas DSL is running
> over gobs of (old) copper from the CO.  The way m1 does it is they run
> fiber from roseville all over to a close distance to your home and then
> hook it up to copper within your subdivision.  That's why they are going
> through peoples *yards* with fiber.  With this setup, there are probally
> less than 50 homes per hub.  Meaning that you would probally never have a
> over-stuffed segment of cable.  Mediaone is also fascist about warez and
> people eating up bandwidth for things that are illegal.
> 
> Cable is only capped at 150K/sec. Not Kbit.  K.  Thats for downstream,
> when I asked him about upstream he said he hadn't a clue.
> 
> The security concerns about cable are untrue.  The new docsis standard
> uses some sort of encryption plus modems that will only get packets
> destined to your MAC address.
> 
> Sadly, you dont get a static from them.  You do get a domain name from
> them. (something.mn.mediaone.net) that will point to your current DHCP
> addy (that perhaps changes once a year.  hook up your domain anyhow.)
> 
> AT&T is buying m1 right now.  I would guess as soon as its completed that
> m1 would be moving upstream from mr.net (ewwww.. then again. my upstream
> is mr.net here.  I get over 100K/sec easy.) to something AT&T owns.
> 
> So, if you are looking for complete stability: go with t1.
> If you want something that works and lets you pick an isp: DSL.
> If you dont want to pay over $100+ a month for faster and more t1 like
> speeds: go with cable.
> 
> I would be happy to argue this with anyone. :)
> 
> *********** IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS A TWO WAY RIGHT NOW?
> ************** CAN WE HEAR YOUR COMMENTS ON IT?

Sure.

I have a m1 2way in the shoreview area. I had previously a 1-way. The
1-way was a piece of sh*t to put it nicely. However the two-way is rock
solid, dependable and fast. 

It's interesting that you mention a cap at 150 kps, I do get burst
speeds of up to 250 kps but for the most part it sits at about 120 kps
at all times. BUT, I get 120 kps reguardless of how many connections I
have going at the same time. I have downloaded 15+ mp3's at the same
time and all of them were 120 kps at the same time. So the cap is not
really an issue unless you require faster than 120 kps consistently.

I've never used DSL so I can't comment on that...

The mediaone guy was great about the install and I even sent him home
with a set of Debian CD's.

-- 
Dave Erickson
Remove "xxx" from address to reply
"Any man that is willing to give up freedom for 
  security deserves neither" ...Abraham Lincoln