Re: [TCLUG:9416] MediaOne Roadrunner and Linux

[Scott Dier - dieman <dieman@ringworld.org>]

On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Mark Dalton wrote:

> it with their distributions..  You may want to contact the authors of
> the howtos I sent that stated it was not there.
HOWTO's are written by the LDP, they have no need to keep current with
distributions it seems.  They are a great source of install/setup info
though.

>   Lets get off the debian vs.. *** thing... It is JUST yet another version
>   of linux..  Now if we can get everyone to agree on ONE packaging system,
>   it is going to be a bigger issue (to the media).
There are many kinds of packaging systems.  I see 3 prevelant.

A) Slackware/Stampede  tar.gz
B) RedHat .rpm style -- very little pre/postconfig
C) Debian .deb style -- full pre/post config. upgrade config. debconf
setup (being implemented) that remembers your settings and automagically
reconfigures upgrades.

As I see, you can stay with packages only in debian much eaiser because of
its configuration setup.

#2, the media care because businesses might care.  read: redhat is there.
redhat is getting the attention.  redhat has the best business/large scale
install hands down.  Until the debconf system is finished i feel that
redhat has it all in this dept.

>   United we stand, divided we fall... I am JUST a Linux advocate, and have

It wont happen. It doesn't happen with bsders and it wont happen with
linux dists.  debian/slackware/stampede/other-non-commerical are
fundamentally different from redhat, suse, caldera who will keep their
stuff very much intergrated with their systems to keep their slice of the
"growing linux market" because ipo for linux dists is amazingly
profitiable to the owners/ceo's of these businesses.

Its sad, but its what happens when it gets commercial.


> > On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Mark Dalton wrote:
> > 
> > > A reserved yes, depending on what you mean.. It is available in RedHat, Caldera
> > > and SuSe (but it was not in some like Debian, and not know in Slackware, perhaps
> > > the newer releases have it).
> > 
> > not only is there:
> > ipmasq - Securely initializes IP Masquerade forwarding/firewalling
> > in debian
> > 
> > ipmasqadm is *included by default* in netbase.
> > 
> > netbase.list:/usr/sbin/ipmasqadm
> > netbase.list:/usr/share/doc/netbase/ipmasqadm
> > netbase.list:/usr/share/doc/netbase/ipmasqadm/README
> > netbase.list:/usr/share/doc/netbase/ipmasqadm/README.portfw.gz
> > netbase.list:/usr/share/doc/netbase/ipmasqadm/README.portfw.new
> > netbase.list:/usr/share/doc/netbase/ipmasqadm/redir-vs-portfw.txt
> > netbase.list:/usr/share/doc/netbase/ipmasqadm/README.autofw.gz
> > netbase.list:/usr/share/man/man8/ipmasqadm.8.gz
> > netbase.list:/usr/lib/ipmasqadm
> > netbase.list:/usr/lib/ipmasqadm/autofw.so
> > netbase.list:/usr/lib/ipmasqadm/mfw.so
> > netbase.list:/usr/lib/ipmasqadm/portfw.so
> > netbase.list:/usr/lib/ipmasqadm/user.so
> > 
> > 
> > No dissing debian allowed <grin>
> > 
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Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> #nicnac@efnet 612.301.0265
  ringworld . associates    | <YodaNsO> fear leads to anger, 
 http://www.ringworld.org   |           anger leads to hate,
finger me for gnupg/pgp key |           hate leads to solaris.